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[–]PhredexProud to be on the Drone Strike list 5 ポイント6 ポイント

I am in the VA system.

[–]Libertarian-Party 4 ポイント5 ポイント

If true, I am sorry to hear that. What have the doctors/employees told you? Or are you one of the few who get adequate treatment?

[–]URPerfectConservative 4 ポイント5 ポイント

At no time did 0bama administration knew what was going on in the VA system. However, we would like you to know how great single payer systems is, good example can be taken if all take a look at our VA system.

[–]IncredibleZingers 4 ポイント5 ポイント

The VA system is completely socialized medicine, NOT single payer. Single payer would be like Medicare, and it's very popular among its users.

[–]URPerfectConservative 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Here, you can read all about it:

VA Scandal Exposes Single-Payer Health Care Flaws

The VA and single-payer health care

Single payer is Root Cause of VA Deaths

Think Tank: VA Scandal Gives Glimpse into Single-Payer System

[–]IncredibleZingers -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Those articles all conflate the two. Single payer references the funding aspect. With a single payer system you aren't necessarily going to government doctors, as all of those articles incorrectly assume. Check out the wiki for it, instead of an article pushing an agenda http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_health_care

[–]chabanaisFortis est veritas[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Single Payer is where the Government is the healthcare system.

[–]Brangus 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Single payer is where the government pays for the healthcare costs, but the healthcare can be administered through private, for-profit entities. Single payer can be public-private mix, or it could be entirely public.

Socialized medicine is where the government owns and operates the healthcare system directly.

There's a big difference Let's not conflate these two terms any more than they already are.

[–]chabanaisFortis est veritas[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

The Government does not own the VA?

[–]Brangus -1 ポイント0 ポイント

I was solely replying to your claim that "Single payer is where the Government is the healthcare system". I believe I have already given you the reasoning why your statement is misleading.

Had you said, "Socialized medicine is where the government is the healthcare system", I would have agreed with you since that would be true.

"It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

[–]chabanaisFortis est veritas[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント

So the Government does not own the VA and they do not provide healthcare?

[–]Brangus 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I think you know the answer to that question.

Regardless, it's irrelevant - you made a statement concerning the definition and/or usage of a term. I corrected you on that.

[–]chabanaisFortis est veritas[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Nope, it's just like Single Payer.

Cheers.

[–]tenchainz 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Please don't let those pesky facts get in the way of your patriotic right to have an opinion.

[–]Brangus 2 ポイント3 ポイント

A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't necessarily a square. Socialized medicine is single payer, but single payer isn't necessarily socialized medicine.

To irresponsibly claim that single payer is the same as socialized medicine is contributing towards the decline of political discourse in this country.

"Political chaos is connected with the decay of language... one can probably bring about some improvement by starting at the verbal end." -George Orwell.

[–]IncredibleZingers 0 ポイント1 ポイント

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_health_care

[–]chabanaisFortis est veritas[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

The wait times, shortages, and rationing are all the same.

[–]conradsymes 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Single payer is defrauded easily.

[–]monkeyslices 2 ポイント3 ポイント

pretty sure this problem existed before obama was president..., but it truly is a shame how the gov't shamelessly leaves their people on the streets.

[–]drafterman 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Insults to our veterans have been committed under probably every single presidential administration.

[–]nicklauschalk 1 ポイント2 ポイント

It's been almost six years since Obama was elected, he can just blame every problem the past. If it was truly always there, it should be his responsibility at this point.

[–]chabanaisFortis est veritas[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Obama ripped Bush a new one now it's way worse.

Smells like hypocrisy to me.

[–]whatisthishere 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Omg that's why they did this isn't it? They are getting crushed with the VA system stuff right now, so they did that, so they could look like they will do anything for their soldiers.

[–]mytwoscence123 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner.

[–]DArtist51 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Exactly right. Only now this is blowing up in their faces. But so sad.

[–]abbeynormal1974 1 ポイント2 ポイント

...and ambassadors with staff in sketchy countries

[–]YamiHarrison 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Only if they hate America.

[–]DArtist51 1 ポイント2 ポイント

If I could upvote this 1000 times, I would.