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[–]kbavl 1517 ポイント1518 ポイント

It's as if the state has a vested interest in the health, wellbeing, and intellectual potential of their children.

[–]alliOops 569 ポイント570 ポイント

how radical...to invest in one's future

[–]The_Real_MVP 137 ポイント138 ポイント

Next you're going to tell me I should save pfft

[–]yankeesone82 104 ポイント105 ポイント

Nah, Jesus has you covered on that one, dude.

[–]Scarbane 46 ポイント47 ポイント

De nada.

[–]Bystronicman08 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

But you're not even Jesus.

[–]wytrabbit 0 ポイント1 ポイント

So he had the power to turn water into wine, heal the sick, and RISE FROM THE DEAD, but he can't be a Redditor?

[–]Random_helper 12 ポイント13 ポイント

http://i.imgur.com/trkJDxZ.jpg

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    [–]Potsmokinghippy420 11 ポイント12 ポイント

    Even more radical: the future of our children!!

    [–]EPICawesomeness 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    The one time "THINK OF DA CHITLIN" actually makes sense it is completely ignored.

    [–]I_I_II_III_IIIII 35 ポイント36 ポイント

    I prefer old white guys profiting to this newfangled system you're referring to.

    [–]BahlzahnYuerchin 62 ポイント63 ポイント

    Believe it or not, they've got old white guys in Sweden too.

    [–]insane_psycho[🍰] 14 ポイント15 ポイント

    That's practically all they do have.

    [–]that_nagger_guy 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    We've got lots of young white guys too. And old white women, and young white women. And lots and lots of different nationalities.

    [–]potatoesgonnapotate0 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    They also have blonde Swedish girls. Blonde Swedish girls and old white men make up 100% of Sweden's population.

    [–]Twilight_Scko 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    That is pretty much all they have.

    [–]AFCFORME 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    The salmon lobby is strong!

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      [–]GreasyTrapeze 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      You'll be happy to know that affirmative action procurement rules have opened up corruption to all races.

      [–]JustADouchebag 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Old black guys profit in this system too! So do old white/black women! It's not all old white men! Let's be fair here!

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        [–]OuterHeaven91 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        Or how to brag about sweden for the next 10years

        [–]mages011 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        "All poor people are lazy" -that guy

        [–]cartenui 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        The investment that you speak of comes down to the following sum in Sweden:

        elementary school - 9,8kr per portion/person = 1,4$ usd per portion/person

        High school - 11,2kr per portion/person = 1,6$ usd per portion/person

        So its not that expensive. actually i think you have similar costs in the US?

        [–]alliOops 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        i'm Aussie...and you are right in that cooking in bulk allows a better cost. We offer a few free breakfasts to the underprivileged but not lunches at all.

        [–]anarkhist 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        See! That's what's called Communism. I want my right to live an unhealthy life.

        [–]d8f7de479b1fae3d85d3 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        There's no time like the present.

        [–]tjlusco -1 ポイント0 ポイント

        *In your children's future.

        There are plenty of people who only invest in there own future.

        [–]BitchesQuoteMarilyn -1 ポイント0 ポイント

        You want to take money out of MY pay check to pay for some kid's school lunch? Hell no, how am I supposed to buy a new yacht now?

        [–]firebearhero 126 ポイント127 ポイント

        to be fair state-run schools have pretty meh food in sweden, this is definitely from a private school (which are common in sweden and does not cost extra, just require you to apply for them).

        state-run schools still have super-kitchens in 90% of the cases, where food are cooked in some huge kitchen and sent out from there to 10 or so schools and elderly homes etc, and that food is definitely not restaurant quality.

        you can however get restaurant-quality food in swedish schools if you go to one with its own kitchen and chef.

        [–]SwedeBeans 168 ポイント169 ポイント

        That looks exactly like the food i got in school, which was no private school. All the kids complain about the food in Swedens schools but it's actually amazing how much goes into it. And in the near feature my state or w/e is gonna spend 2 million more SEK on school-food. Man i forgot myself in the sentences so this doesn't make much sense.

        [–]tanstaafl90 47 ポイント48 ポイント

        kids complain

        Needed to go no further in your thoughts than this. It's only later in life they realize how good it was to be young.

        [–]Helppoheikki 6 ポイント7 ポイント

        I think part of the reason is that many kids eat saltier/spicier food at home and the school lunch can be quite tasteless when you're used to stuff with more salt.

        [–]tanstaafl90 3 ポイント4 ポイント

        No, well... mabie... I mean, kids just like to complain regardless of validity. It has to do with emotional and brain development, and the ability to see beyond themselves. It's not an observation about the current youth, but rather youth in general. I was a complaining, selfish kid myself.

        [–]_throwawayagain_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        As a 33-year-old Swedish guy I have to say that the school lunches we got varied over time.

        Grades 1-6 had OK-ish food most of the time.

        Grades 7-9 saw a sharp decline in food quality (we used to joke that the pancakes were recycled army boots because they were almost always burned and chewy in a way that pancakes shouldn't be, if we ever got any "good" food there was a limit to how much of that food you were allowed to eat because the school didn't budget for kids to actually eat themselves full).

        In high school ("gymnasiet") the food was utter crap and was clearly re-heated at least two days per week (and everything was cooked in some remote mega-kitchen to begin with)

        To compare OP's photo to our reality back in those days:

        • Potatoes we got were always unpeeled, officially because "they lose their vitamins if you peel them before cooking". Unofficially because it's cheaper that way.
        • Gravy/sauce we got was always this slightly-above-room-temperature brown sludge.
        • Any meat we got would be overcooked and gray
        • All vegetables had this bargain bin look to them, like someone bought a huge bag of the veggies that were too bad to be sold as store-brand frozen vegetables.

        [–]tanstaafl90 0 ポイント1 ポイント

        I wasn't doubting the relative quality of school food, they tend to be a touch industrial by default. I was more talking about kids ability to complain about everything, regardless of quality of life.

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          [–]Zykium 2 ポイント3 ポイント

          YOU GOTTA DO IT IN CAPS SO HE CAN READ IT. HE AIN'T MERICAN.

          [–]zoidboix 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          Your English writing skills are better than that of many Americans.

          That's an empty compliment, wouldn't you say?

          [–]so_sorry_am_high -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

          /r/cringe, is that you?

          [–]Scarbane 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          No, Swedish students are legitimately outpacing US students in nearly every subject.

          [–]AliceInWondermall 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          It's insane. My brother gets better food at school than at home and he still complains. I think the complaining is due to him not being used to it, rather than because it's not good.

          Shame that I'm terrible at cooking.

          I live in Sweden.

          [–]kratistos 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          Yeah, I was also an ungrateful little shit. In my school, lunch looked like this. - And boy did we hate that food. It was the most disgusting food in the entire city. Most of us convinced our parents to just give us the 2.5-3€ so we could feed ourselves.

          In addition to one of 6 main courses that we could chose (always with at least one fish and one vegetarian option), we had a salad buffet and dessert.

          [–]DynamicStatic 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          I don't know how it is now but when I was a kid some of the food was just fucking terrible.

          [–]JollyGoodJello 61 ポイント62 ポイント

          Then you had bad luck. Sure school food isn't as great as a great meal at home but these kinda of meals were normal in my schools when I went. This is not unusual. I work as a substitute teacher at times and the meals are still good like this. No private entities at all.

          [–]Kaiverus 6 ポイント7 ポイント

          Do they actually peel all of the boiled potatoes in the kitchen? That seems like more effort than it is worth, especially compared to the US where you get rehydrated mashed potatoes or no potatoes and my parents as kids in Finland learned early in school to peel their potatoes at the table.

          [–]SteamingDuck 9 ポイント10 ポイント

          Don't nearly all cheap restaurants and schools these days buy pre-peeled potatoes? They come vacuum-packed in water. They are dirt cheap and taste like ass.

          [–]BestRivenHere 5 ポイント6 ポイント

          Actually it is very common to have a potato peeling machine. It peels all the potatoes at once. They are used in both the schools I have went to.

          Relevant: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q1NXawrErCo

          [–]IhasAfoodular 3 ポイント4 ポイント

          Clubbed to death is the perfect song to advertise vegetable prepping machines.

          Fucking perfect.

          [–]Triviaandwordplay 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          Even if they don't, a small commercial peeler will get the job done with ease.

          It's a relatively commonly sold product to food service establishments. They can peel other vegetables as well. Now on a large scale, vegetables are steam peeled, which is pretty awesome. Take just a few seconds to do hundreds of pounds at once.

          Even tomatoes can be steam peeled, although they're steam peeled under a vacuum so as not to cook the tomato and turn it into mush.

          [–]copypaste_93 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          jupp

          [–]samlamamma 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          In my school they weren't pre-peeled but I swear to God that the quality of the potatoes dropped tremendously from the year I started to the year I graduated.

          [–]xFlacky 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          That's exactly what they do.

          The only way to eat them is to drown them in salt and/or sauce.

          [–]_throwawayagain_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          My experience as an "older" Swede (33 years old) was that schools always served unpeeled potatoes because it was cheaper and then made up some fairy tale about how "potatoes lose their vitamins if you peel them before cooking them" (I heard that one over and over again all the way through school from different teachers and lunch ladies).

          [–]mhende 2 ポイント3 ポイント

          I was subbing yesterday at a jr high (in a low income area) and they had real mashed potatoes. I know because it was a bit lumpy and some of the lumps were hard still.

          [–]methcp 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          In Sweden they do not, boiled potatoes are pre-peeled and come bundled together in a big plastic bag. As far as potatoes go in Swedish schools, that's the worst part of the food because they get weird skins on them often.

          [–]JollyGoodJello 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          Depends on the place but I've had both, depends on the main meal usually.

          [–]disinfect77 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          They have peeling machines. Pretty standard to have in a big kitchen.

          [–]AgingLolita 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          In the uk, they use a potato rumbler.

          [–]SteelCrow 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          That seems like more effort than it is worth,

          That sounds like "kids are not worth the effort"

          [–]kate1180 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          I usually eat the skin on boiled potatoes. Am I going to die now you guys?....guys?

          [–]exgiexpcv 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          What the hell? We eat the peels! The vitamins are right under the skin, and anyway, I like the taste and texture.

          [–]zoro_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          which school? i want to start again

          [–]bpeu 26 ポイント27 ポイント

          looks like the food i get at my public school

          [–]myrpou 43 ポイント44 ポイント

          No I had public school food in Sweden for 12 years, this wasn't anything out of the ordinairy.

          [–]waaaats 25 ポイント26 ポイント

          I can vouch for this. Perhaps the salmon was not as well prepared as the one in the picture, but it looks like a regular school lunch if plated properly.

          [–]swedishdelight 46 ポイント47 ポイント

          100% wrong. This is a common lunch from a state run school.

          [–]Karwano 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          I go to a state-run school and the food looks exactly like the one in OPs picture.

          [–]samlamamma 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          Dude, that food looks like something from a state school taken with good lighting.

          [–]1_2_mani 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          Can you stop pretending you know what you're talking about from now on?

          [–]hakkzpets 4 ポイント5 ポイント

          I always loved going to a school with Hotell&Restaurang because the food was always great, albeit a little bit to creative sometimes.

          [–]walruz 7 ポイント8 ポイント

          When I did national service, I had a couple of weeks of electronic warfare training at Sjöstridsskolan. The cafeteria was run by the navy chef recruits. Home-cooked food every day.

          [–]methcp 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          I did H&R too, food we got to eat in the kitchen was great, the regular school food we had to eat was less so.

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            [–]SigmaB 1 ポイント2 ポイント

            I've gone to both and it really depends on the school, the public school I went to had an award winning chef that baked fresh bread every morning and made everything else from scratch, while the (free) private school I went to mostly had pre-made stuff brought in.

            [–]PatHeist 0 ポイント1 ポイント

            I can also confirm that this looks like the food from my state run school.

            [–]UTLRev1312 0 ポイント1 ポイント

            swedish chefs take their job very seriously http://static03.mediaite.com/thebraiser/uploads/2013/04/BORKedit.jpeg

            [–]disinfect77 0 ポイント1 ポイント

            No, it depends on the school and commune. Even if it's cooked in a huge kitchen and sent out to other schools it doesn't matter, it still tastes the same. We got our food delivered and it was almost always amazing. It mostly depends on the chefs.

            [–]ripewdecay 0 ポイント1 ポイント

            I went to public school in Staunton VA briefly in the 5th grade and we had our own dedicated school cooks who made at least semi-homemade if not homemade food, the staff had a great relationship with the children, I loved the food. They even made green scrambled eggs and ham in honor of dr. Seuss! You could see the lunch ladies wheel in carts with turkeys for thanksgiving and other identifiable food so it was exciting to visit the cafeteria.

            [–]tomdarch 0 ポイント1 ポイント

            Even if some schools get food prepared off-site, and it isn't particularly delicious, it's still "real" food, with a good nutritional balance. Far better than allowing budgets to slip too low and selecting food prepared by the lowest bidder.

            [–]bassistwanted -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

            This is pretty important info for all these little circlejerkers in here talking about their public schools.

            [–]JollyGoodJello 8 ポイント9 ポイント

            This is normal for state run schools as well. Public schools have high standards in Sweden even if the occasional dip may be seen in very low income areas. I've never experienced anything less than satisfying in quality in my schools from age 6-19. Still today as a substitute teacher the quality is good, this picture is not overselling it all all.

            Sure some food may not be your favorite but it has always been edible.

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              [–]RedShirtedAss 66 ポイント67 ポイント

              http://www.thelocal.se/20131203/sweden-slides-in-global-education-rank-pisa-students-schools

              Swedish pupils' poor results in the latest global Pisa education ranking, released on Tuesday, has pushed Sweden below the OECD average in maths, reading comprehension, and natural sciences.

              Sweden's schools now rank below both the United States and the UK according to the Pisa rankings.

              But keep the circlejerk going.

              [–]robb-- 37 ポイント38 ポイント

              aren't PISA rankings universally regarded as trash?

              [–]newbkid 27 ポイント28 ポイント

              Short Answer: Yes.

              However, what other universally recognized ranking system is known internationally? Because without ranks what would we do!!

              [–]MethCat 0 ポイント1 ポイント

              By whom? Can you provide me a better study?

              [–]robb-- 1 ポイント2 ポイント

              there are no better studies; comparing different systems is pointless seeing as the methods of learning are totally different in different cultures.

              [–]RedShirtedAss 0 ポイント1 ポイント

              Why are they trash?

              [–]WhoNeedsRealLife 0 ポイント1 ポイント

              Well, the excuse used in Sweden right now is that the kids simply couldn't be arsed to take the test seriously because it had no effect on their grade and they had just had the more serious national exams (and therefore tired of exams in general). Don't know how true it is.

              [–]OnAPartyRock 1 ポイント2 ポイント

              Can't be... Reddit told me Sweden is a socialist utopia that is better than amerikkka in every way.

              [–]Timtankard 0 ポイント1 ポイント

              Nope. An out of context picture of a plate of food is all the evidence I need that Amerikkka is straight fucked and the superiority of glorious Nordic peoples.

              [–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

              Reddit is a funny beast. Bunch of yes men dipshits. Post this picture next month and claim it's from sweden prisons. Watch same reactions

              [–]Wizzad 0 ポイント1 ポイント

              I don't have a picture from Swedish prisons, but this is from a Norwegian prison.

              Article

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                [–]Timtankard 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                What? The top comments in this thread are all variations of 'how amazing that Sweden is investing in the future'. It's a picture of a plate of food with entirely zero context.

                [–]throwwarrior 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                There is nothing majorly wrong with schools in Sweden comparatively- except gymnasium. Lack of teachers is the main issue, mainly because kids need to be held in the hand all day everyday and told they can do it etc. But lack of resources is defintely something swedish schools would prosper with.

                I would say that kids are irresponsible and the fact we have a lot of immigrants many of wich (swedes and immigrants alike) has the idea of "fuck the system" etc. Doesn't exactly help the ratings.

                Personally, i enjoyed my stay even at a controversial school that was profit run. I had all the books i needed, a free laptop and a website where i could get my assignments. Individual plans with my teachers and good relations, i managed even though my mother was recovering from a stroke and other complications that made my schoolstay limited during a long course of my last year.

                Rest of my class whined that the school was bad, didn't get their assignemnts (which they were told was on the website day in and day out), bad teachers, bad food bad everything. Many of them didn't manage, but i did.

                I concluded that i could pass the school with highest scores if i didn't waste time and energy "fucking the system" and actually doing what i was supposed to do. Because of grades being individually set with teachers and are easily achievable when the teacher says you have to do X and Y to achieve Z also attend xx many classes.

                But of course, one could be of the opinion that schools are supposed to be the main motivator of kids and what they want to do with their lives, i however am not. I think it is a responsibility that we have mainly individually or as parents.

                But as i said, swedish gymnasium is nothing to be proud over and if its bad parenting or bad schoolsystem, i cannot tell. With my own motivation i passed easily.

                [–]NotKony -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

                Judging intelligence by reading comprehension is retarded and backwards.

                [–]LukaCola 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                Good reasoning

                [–]SarcasticAssBag 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                tl;dr

                [–]seanthesheep85 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                maths, reading comprehension, and natural sciences

                Also, reading comprehension is a very important skill, and the article makes no premise of judging all of a child's intelligence simply by their reading comprehension anyway.

                [–]fcman 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                In what way? Reading requires and hones problem solving skills, especially at younger ages where there is a heavier reliance on context clues rather than the readers existing vocabulary. By itself it would definitely be a weak measure but it is absolutely relevant.

                [–]LenfaL -1 ポイント0 ポイント

                I think there's more social pressure to perform academically in the US and the UK because of the college/university culture. Since they are bathing in news and praise about their top ranked schools all the time, it becomes a goal for many students to get into these schools. They attract a lot of attention internationally too, but they are a vague dream for most international aspirants, and a realistic scope for most american students.

                Don't quote me on this, but I heard from some swedish internet friends that their higher academic institutions aren't glamorous in the slightest bits, and that's why many of them actually want to go abroad to study, to live the famed "college life" and maybe join a top ranked school, which aren't available in Sweden. Their top university (Lund University) is ranked 67th on the QS list, which isn't a stellar performance from an educational system that gets quite a lot of praise. In comparison, I am from Canada and McGill and Toronto universities are ranked 21 and 17 respectively, and I can tell you that they aren't particularly impressive from my perspective.

                Edit: I don't mean to offend anyone, and I'm not saying that any university is "bad" or unworthy. Every university in the world, no matter its rank, should provide great education, and it is an achievement in itself to pursue higher studies. That being said, I'm fairly certain that any university has world-class reputable figures among its ranks and have interesting and thorough classes, I'm not talking about quality here, just reputation and mystique surrounding certain institutions. Ivy League schools and the likes of Oxford and Cambridge all have legendary names that evoke an aura of academical greatness, which isn't the case for other (great) universities like UoT, McGill and UBC. While the latter schools all have reputable names, the acceptance rate is relatively high for most programs (medicine and law are difficult, but nothing out of the ordinary for these fields) and shouldn't be a worry for anybody minimally serious about their studies. It isn't an end goal to get into these universities, they are simply a step towards building your career, whereas attending one of the mythical schools is considered a triumph in itself.

                [–]Dark1000 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                KTH is pretty top notch despite the rankings. Rankings are biased very heavily towards name recognition and are not indicative of the quality of academics available to a student at a said university.

                [–]samlamamma 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                Eh, I dunno. I go to KTH and I think it's pretty great, we had the dude who made the GMP library and some other stuff (he decided to quit and go into the industry again though, too bad).

                Your friends aren't talking about the academical level, academically we're pretty fuggin good and we have a lot of good teachers/profs, what we're talking about is student life which is pretty different depending on where you go but it's definitely not like college in the US.

                [–]QuoteMeBot 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                I think there's more social pressure to perform academically in the US and the UK because of the college/university culture. Since they are bathing in news and praise about their top ranked schools all the time, it becomes a goal for many students to get into these schools. They attract a lot of attention internationally too, but they are a vague dream for most international aspirants, and a realistic scope for most american students.

                Don't quote me on this, but I heard from some swedish internet friends that their higher academic institutions aren't glamorous in the slightest bits, and that's why many of them actually want to go abroad to study, to live the famed "college life" and maybe join a top ranked school, which aren't available in Sweden. Their top university (Lund University) is ranked 67th in the QS list, which isn't a stellar performance from an educational system that gets quite a lot of praise. In comparison, I am from Canada and McGill and Toronto universities are ranked 21 and 17 respectively, and I can tell you that they aren't particularly impressive from my perspective.

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                  [–]Galactic_kitten -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

                  You can thank this guy for that. Jan Björklund, minister of education, reformed the school system recently into a mindnumbingly idiotic one, and managed to get more or less every teacher and student to hate him.

                  Election's coming up though, the chances of him being reelected are very small. So we've got that going for us which is nice.

                  [–]Restore_Freedom -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

                  Right, because a global standing that drops slightly using a bogus method of determining intelligence is a great way to prove a point...

                  Also, US numbers are bogus as well... School districts get more money for more students with better grades... Teaching everyone to be an A student is hard because not everyone is capable of it... So instead, lets cook the books...

                  Ignore the trolls, let this circlejerk continue.

                  [–]fightlinker 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                  The only circlejerking I'm seeing is the "This is a circlejerk!" circlejerk.

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                    [–]daveime 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                    It's as if the state has a vested interest in the health, wellbeing, and intellectual potential of their children.

                    It's as if they have the highest rate of taxation in the world, ranging from 28.89% to 57% for income tax alone, and can therefore properly fund ALL social projects. Damn all to do with the state, the PEOPLE pay for this.

                    [–]Mithryn 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                    Okay, this needs a bit of context. I lived in Sweden for a while. One time a family was supposed to feed me, and we showed up to a gorgeous Salmon dinner, for which the family apologized profusely because they had forgotten I was coming.

                    Over there, Salmon is "kid food" (like tuna fish here). They quickly prepared Tacos (the cheap kind you buy at the store here, costs a lot over there and so they thought it a shame). So yes, it is a real meal, and that is good; but this is also "kid food" that the kid would probably be upset to eat.

                    [–]hoodoo-operator 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                    At least they get food, instead of "food product"

                    [–]offspringftw 19 ポイント20 ポイント

                    and intellectual potential of their children.

                    That is until you see how far back Sweden is when it comes to schools compared to other 1st world countries.

                    [–]Nick-Cage 7 ポイント8 ポイント

                    I think this is just an unfortunate correlation. There is no way that good food has no impact on performance in school. It definitely does. There can be many many factors that are responsible for the decline of swedish pupils.

                    Less P.E, bad pedagogy and bad teachers is probably the main reasons. And also the fact that schools today are made mainly for girls. Boys have a much higher probability to lose concentration and need breaks to cool off their energy. They may also need different pedagogy models compared to girls.

                    Overall, the politics in the school system is mainly a guessing game. And sweden has guessed wrong.

                    [–]alpacafarts 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                    I'm curios about your statement that schools are designed more for girls these days and that boys are less able to concentrate. Granted in American and have never attended school in Sweden. I'm jut wondering what your basis was for that?

                    [–]Phoenix144 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                    No source but read a study about boys having worse results than girls in Swedish schools, but yeah no source.

                    [–]Nick-Cage -1 ポイント0 ポイント

                    I've read statistics from SCB (statistical central bureau) about it. I'll see if I can find it.

                    [–]bankrish 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                    his basis? personal misery.

                    [–]The_Real_BenFranklin 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                    Only boys get antsy in class, or do girls just have more patience. Calling modern schools 'made for girls' seems a bit misplaced.

                    [–]Nick-Cage -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

                    It is made for girls since girls are doing better in school. That's all the info we need. Also, most teachers are women, so there's a chance their way of teaching doesn't work as well for boys. And at the end of the day, teachers and the faculty are responsible for getting their pupils grades.

                    I think you're just making a semantical argument.

                    [–]The_Real_BenFranklin 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                    No, at the end of the day the student is responsible. Not quite a wonderful comic, 'You can present the information, but you cannot make me care.' A teacher can't make a student learn. They can do their best to help everyone learn the material, but you can't just throw the blame at them when students do poorly. Some of the time is is their fault - there are some truly horrific teachers out there - but that is not the majority.

                    [–]barsoap 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                    Yeah, if you would not blame the victims, that'd be nice.

                    [–]The_Real_BenFranklin 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                    I'm sorry, when you see a kid fail because he didn't take any initiative and didn't care enough to do the work, he's no longer a victim. We're not talking about kids who try hard and are failed by the system. They are the minority.

                    [–]barsoap 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                    We aren't talking about "a kid", we're talking about a whole gender that's left behind. We're talking 50% of the students.

                    In any case: It is not the responsibility of a 6-16yold to fix the bloody system adults impose on them. It's not their fault that school sucks. It's the adults' responsibility to fix it.

                    As I said: Stop victim blaming. Kids don't choose to become bored, being bored is boring, why would they.

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                      [–]tanstaafl90 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

                      schools today are made mainly for girls.

                      I don't know where this belief that boys and girls are essentially the same and/or somehow boys will adapt and/or girls need every advantage to overcome patriarchal society. Not only is it steeped in a denial of reality, it's doing damage to the development and education of males.

                      [–]bankrish 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                      it's doing damage to the development and education of males.

                      the historically underserved minority.

                      [–]tanstaafl90 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                      So it's okay to do it to boys now because generations past it's been done to girls? Boys and girls develop differently, and have different needs from educators. This seeks no preference or proclaims superiority of one over the other, but is a simple, undeniable fact.

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                        [–]langlo94 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Well it is a 3rd world country.

                        [–]offspringftw 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        LOL

                        [–]BungholeDestroyer -1 ポイント0 ポイント

                        We're performing lower in math, reading comprehension, and natural sciences than the United States but our small, homogenous population that's smaller than the state population of Oregon eats salmon for lunch and no filthy cheeseburgers! So progressive! So amazing.

                        [–]Froggery 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                        let the anti-usa circlejerk commence with the top comment

                        because the US government does not want healthy children who do well in school, and in fact will do everything in its power to prevent citizen happiness of any sort.

                        Viva le Sweden! wake up sheeple!

                        [–]new_land -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

                        I'm so tired of hearing how superior the Swedish welfare state is to America. We get it, reddit - give it a fucking rest.

                        [–]rimjobtom 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                        Where does it say anything about 'murica? Reddit is international. This contribution came from sweden. Get over it.

                        [–]myrpou 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                        He didn't mention America, but fucking everything is always about you isn't it?

                        [–]Personofworld33 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Well, a lot of people are comparing this to the American school lunches in the comments, so he has a bit of a point. Plus, I imagine the majority of redditors to be American, so I guess that they compare Sweeden to America. In short, the author didn't mention America, but the comments did.

                        [–]kungfuhustler -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

                        Tell us what country you think Sweden is being compared to here? What country is Sweden always being compared to here?

                        [–]methcp 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                        Every other country outside of Scandinavia?

                        [–]kungfuhustler 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Yeah, ok, because those are the countries we usually compare Sweden to here.

                        [–]animikee 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                        "Welfare State" yes any governance other than the crawl over each other, governance to benefit Corporate profits is bad. Keep drinking the 'Murica kool aid

                        [–]whtml 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        "I can't deal with the reality that some countries enjoy a higher standard of living than my own, stop showing it to me". ..Not that anyone actually mentioned or brought up America other than you, you butt-hurt crybaby.

                        [–]kungfuhustler 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        You're awfully sensitive about this.

                        [–]whtml 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        I actually am, because no matter where you go on this site these days, one of those idiots shows up, pulls a connection to America out of thin air and then complains to the community about how "anti-America" it is.

                        Not to mention that after that, a horde of people upvote those posts out of blind nationalism or because they share a similar victim-complex.

                        [–]iamsofired 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Its not always about the food on offer its about getting the kids to eat it instead of going to the takeaway for lunch - sensible food isnt cool.

                        [–]mjkelly462 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Pizza is a fruit!

                        [–]macnbloo 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        This is blasphemous! I bet the Swedish government doesn't even know that pizza is a vegetable

                        [–]4evrnoob 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        You socialist hippy! /s

                        [–]nocnocnode 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Or, they are capitalist overlords with 5-star restaurants in their school's kitchens?

                        [–]-dudeomfgstfux- 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Well, this is America and children need to learn how to take care of them selves and not depend on the government.

                        [–]LukaCola -1 ポイント0 ポイント

                        Unless you're an immigrant and/or not white

                        Then you can starve in the streets

                        [–]AdmiralBallsack 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        I think it's just easier to pull off things like that in a smaller country. Getting every school across the entire US to get on the same page for something as basic as school lunches is next to impossible because we're so much bigger than them

                        [–]waldoschmaldo 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        You saw one picture of a meal claimed to be the standard served in swedish schools and you already come to your smug sarcastic conclusion.

                        It's the typical empty headed reddit comment. You don't know shit about the swedish school system and how catering at their schools works. But = DAE SWEDEN GREAT, US BAD, THE HEADLINES ON REDDIT TELL IT ALL

                        I almost threw up a little reading your comment.

                        [–]WarHymn 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        I think most states do have that interest but corruption gets in the way. At least usually.

                        [–]mellowmonk 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Of the children? You mean instead of the shareholders?

                        [–]NGC2467 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                        That's why this list is full of Swedish universities.

                        [–]Harkimo 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        It's very different from school to school. They're run by the municipality, so the quality varies based on tax income (and spending).

                        [–]ShutUpAndPassTheWine 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Stop spouting socialist ideologies! The government doesn't exist for the well being of its citizens, it exists to promote commerce. I have a picture and a quote someone posted on Facebook to prove it.

                        [–]Nichols101 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Yea... Stick 300,000,000 people there with a bunch of fat self-entitled kids. Let's see how they handle it..

                        [–]iamtheonethatknox 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Or to get as much votes of the electorate as possible...

                        [–]lodameister 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        It's almost as if the state has a vested interest in increasing taxes to the point where it takes control over the health, wellbeing, and intellectual potential of children instead of parents

                        [–]kbavl 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Here's the thing, though. A whole lot of parents are fuckups. And good or bad, at the end of the day, we all pay for, or benefit from, the results.

                        [–]TotallyBitchinDude 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        I'm sick and tired of these fucking swedes doing everything better. I think it's time Sweden be liberated.

                        [–]elpresidente-4 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Pff, preposterous! It's well known that children exist to give their parent's money to corporations!

                        [–]exadeci 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Well I think schools in developed country have healty food it's just america that serves bacon with some pizza vegetable, soda snacks

                        [–]pauselaugh 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        It's as if Sweden is highly segregated, upper-middle class, and has a population of 9.6 million with a low population density of 54 inhabitants per square mile. That's the size of like 4 US cities!

                        Rather than comparing it to the ghettos and underprivileged to the US, compare it to the richest few cities/suburbs that total 9.6 million. Guess what, their school lunches are the same if not superior.

                        [–]stripmeofjoy 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Not that hard to do well when the country has less than 10 million people altogether.

                        [–]kbavl 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Why is that? Shouldn't we be able to achieve economies of scale? It seems like we have enough talent to solve pretty much any challenge; but indecisiveness creates a vacuum that's filled by opportunists.

                        [–]stripmeofjoy 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        It's never about talent, it's always about money and allocation of resources. Scandinavians love asserting their successful big government programs at the rest of the world, as if they'd be applicable anywhere else besides their homogenous societies.

                        [–]wendysNO1wcheese 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Yea that sauce whatever the hell it is looks real healthy.

                        [–]IBiteYou 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        It's a glorious lunch, but I wonder if it meets the strict new standards regarding lunches that we passed in the USA.

                        [–]keypuncher 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Nope. I see potatoes. Those aren't allowed. There's probably too much fat, too.

                        [–]infected_goat 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        One day we're going to look back at what we have out kids to eat and drink and realize how insane it is.

                        "Grandpa, they had vending machines full of soda? Didn't you guys know how bad that was? And it was in schools?"

                        [–]HR_8938_Cephei 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        b-but... SOCIALISM!

                        [–]cranky_p -1 ポイント0 ポイント

                        its actually private school food, but okay

                        [–]Nick-Cage 10 ポイント11 ポイント

                        I went to 3 state schools in Sweden. this is normal food. I'm surprised there isn't any salad buffet.

                        [–]singularity_is_here -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

                        And shit tonnes of black money from politicians from all over the world circulating in their banking system. The moment all of that is gone (it never will) they won't be able to afford it.

                        [–]Timtankard 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                        What do you mean by 'black money'? The only reference I could find regarding Sweden and Black Money is people doing jobs for cash and not paying taxes on it.

                        http://www.csmonitor.com/1980/0109/010931.html

                        [–]gnumamma 10 ポイント11 ポイント

                        I think he's confusing Sweden with Switzerland. Hopefully in an attempt to be funny...

                        [–]PrattleRod 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Is he talking about how everyone with money hides it in Swedish bank accounts?

                        [–]PatHeist 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                        Please tell me you're joking. Armenians are always so bad at geography, confusing all of the European countries.

                        [–]Timtankard 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        I agree, those Armenians couldn't even find their own country on a map from 1920 until 1990.

                        [–]mw818 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Aren't you referring to Swiss banks? If so that's Switzerland, entirely different country!

                        [–]Dirt_McGirt_ -1 ポイント0 ポイント

                        Sweden has a 42% effective tax rate. The US has a 26% rate. If the US government had another 2 trillion dollars of tax revenue, they could buy steak and lobster for every kid every day.

                        [–]noodlescup 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        I'm pretty sure they could even afford caviar, and they wouldn't have to raise the taxes, just stop paying for military surplus they can't sell and stop incarcerating people for almost nothing.

                        [–]kbavl 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        26% of what, exactly? Does this include just fed income tax? Fed and state income tax? Income, sales, luxury, alcohol, cigarette, etc? I'm curious if that is really an apples to apples comparison. I have no idea. Would also like to compare how that apples to apples revenue is spent. Are tax breaks comparable, individual and corporate? For every gross dollar (and converted euro) earned by an individual, was is taken as a tax, any tax? And for every gross tax dollar/euro collected, how is it spent? I suspect that US spends/wastes an inordinate amount on military goods and services that offers little or no return on investment. I remember Bob Gates (former Sec of Defense) telling Congress to kill funding for several military expenditures that were already obsolete. Congress funded these failed projects anyway.

                        [–]kbavl 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        26% of what, exactly? Does this include just fed income tax? Fed and state income tax? Income, sales, luxury, alcohol, cigarette, etc? I'm curious if that is really an apples to apples comparison. I have no idea. Would also like to compare how that apples to apples revenue is spent. Are tax breaks comparable, individual and corporate? For every gross dollar (and converted euro) earned by an individual, was is taken as a tax, any tax? And for every gross tax dollar/euro collected, how is it spent? I suspect that US spends/wastes an inordinate amount on military goods and services that offers little or no return on investment. I remember Bob Gates (former Sec of Defense) telling Congress to kill funding for several military expenditures that were already obsolete. Congress funded these failed projects anyway.

                        [–]kbavl 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        26% of what, exactly? Does this include just fed income tax? Fed and state income tax? Income, sales, luxury, alcohol, cigarette, etc? I'm curious if that is really an apples to apples comparison. I have no idea. Would also like to compare how that apples to apples revenue is spent. Are tax breaks comparable, individual and corporate? For every gross dollar (and converted euro) earned by an individual, was is taken as a tax, any tax? And for every gross tax dollar/euro collected, how is it spent? I suspect that US spends/wastes an inordinate amount on military goods and services that offers little or no return on investment. I remember Bob Gates (former Sec of Defense) telling Congress to kill funding for several military expenditures that were already obsolete. Congress funded these failed projects anyway.

                        [–]kbavl 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        26% of what, exactly? Does this include just fed income tax? Fed and state income tax? Income, sales, luxury, alcohol, cigarette, etc? I'm curious if that is really an apples to apples comparison. I have no idea. Would also like to compare how that apples to apples revenue is spent. Are tax breaks comparable, individual and corporate? For every gross dollar (and converted euro) earned by an individual, was is taken as a tax, any tax? And for every gross tax dollar/euro collected, how is it spent? I suspect that US spends/wastes an inordinate amount on military goods and services that offers little or no return on investment. I remember Bob Gates (former Sec of Defense) telling Congress to kill funding for several military expenditures that were already obsolete. Congress funded these failed projects anyway.

                        [–]Dirt_McGirt_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Have you considered googling "effective tax rate"?

                        [–]kbavl 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        No. But I will.

                        [–]kbavl 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Sooo, sounds like a way to tax on a sliding scale income that you earn through work, vs investment income which for some reason is considered different, and therefore taxed at a different (lower by percentage) rate. As I said, I don't know. Feel free to attempt to inform me.

                        [–]photoresistor 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Lets not forget that Sweeden is a relatively small, wealthy nation-state. I'm sure we could find equally premium lunches in wealthy American private schools.

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