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MRA as a slur. (self.TiADiscussion)

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[–]MonstrousTurtles 13 ポイント14 ポイント

Because MRAs have a serious image problem.

I've checked into r/MensRights a couple times to see what they're about, and a large chunk of what I saw dominating the first few pages wasn't discussion about how men could fix the issues they're currently facing (child custody dispute laws, etc). Instead, most of it was threads bashing feminists, and sometimes even outright blaming them for the current issues men face (especially in the comments). Also a shit-ton of circle-jerking.

The problem I see is that they're spending more time playing the blame game rather than working to solve actual issues. Add this to the fact that the average person outside of the Internet associates feminism with "women's right to vote", "women's right to an equal wage", "women's right to choose to work outside of the home". If MRAs are pigeon-holed into being feminist-haters, then people start to assume that must also mean they're against basic women's rights like voting.

Then on top of that, the movement does attract a lot of miserable guys who narrowly escaped damaging relationships with psycho women, and are now seeking an outlet. Some of them are bitter (many rightfully so) and cling to the ideology for the wrong reasons.

In all honestly, what I see on Men's Rights is like the flip-side of tumblr. You see SJWs blaming the "patriarchy" and "white people" for all the problems that minorities face. For the MRAs, it's about blaming feminism. This doesn't go over well with the general public.

TL;DR: MRA is treated as a slur because people associate feminism with basic human rights for women. Because MRA groups spend a lot of time criticizing feminism, they're assumed to be against basic women's rights.

[–]Tammylan 7 ポイント8 ポイント

The problem I see is that they're spending more time playing the blame game rather than working to solve actual issues.

That's the way that MRAs see feminism.

Has #YesAllWomen accomplished anything besides demonizing the male gender as a whole?

Then on top of that, the movement does attract a lot of miserable guys women who narrowly escaped damaging relationships with psycho women, and are now seeking an outlet. Some of them are bitter (many rightfully so) and cling to the ideology for the wrong reasons.

That's the way that MRAs see feminism.

Whose voice is listened to? When men raise issues of gender they're told to STFU and stop "mansplaining". When women raise issues of gender they're told "You go, girl!"

eg I have a lot of respect for Hillary Clinton, and if I was American I'd vote for her. But her assertion that "women have always been the primary victims of war" was absolutely fucking disgusting. Tell that to the guys who died while charging machine-gun emplacements in WWI and WWII.

That kind of puerile, self-serving, solipsistic feminist bullshit is what many MRAs have a problem with.

[–]JaronK 0 ポイント1 ポイント

The thing is, there's lots of feminist bullshit... but there's also lots of feminists doing very good work. It's pretty hard to point to MRAs actually doing something about the issues they're supposed to care about. At some point they have to stop slinging mud at feminists (even the ones who deserve a little mud) and start doing something useful.

I've never seen an MRA working as a rape counselor or domestic violence counselor. I've seen plenty of feminists. MRAs can change their image when they actually do something to change it.

[–]garybuseysawakening 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I've never seen an MRA working as a rape counselor or domestic violence counselor. I've seen plenty of feminists. MRAs can change their image when they actually do something to change it.

That's because they usually have to identify as feminists, dude. That's not hard.

At some point they have to stop slinging mud at feminists (even the ones who deserve a little mud) and start doing something useful.

You mean like hosting talks, seminars, and trying to get male domestic violence centers up?

Funny how that worked out, eh?

[–]NotCanada[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I concur and and see it as they are just the opposite of CURRENT feminists. I had to unsubscribe from their sub because it was just a lot of bitching that feminists cause these issues without looking for reasonable inclusive solutions. But, I think feminists lately are doing the same thing but just blaming men, maybe not all but a vocal group.

[–]Nattata-talie 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Great assessment overall. Just wanted to comment on one thing.

Then on top of that, the movement does attract a lot of miserable guys who narrowly escaped damaging relationships with psycho women, and are now seeking an outlet. Some of them are bitter (many rightfully so) and cling to the ideology for the wrong reasons.

Definitely a factor, but it should also be mentioned that quite frankly, the movement attracts general misogynists as well as people who may have some reason to be bitter (I'm not sure I would say say any bitterness is ever rightful, but that's more of a philosophical opinion). For someone who just straight up hates women for no good reason it's also an attractive movement, but again they're there for all the wrong reasons.

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