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[–]pigmonkey 378 ポイント379 ポイント

OK this is the third American Enterprise institute video to reach the front page in five days. American Enterprise Institute is a conservative think tank so while they are not automatically wrong for having a conservative slant, it does mean they have an agenda and someone is clearly spamming their videos to push that agenda.

On the last video from them I got down-voted to hell for simply saying not to downvote opposing opinions because it stifles discussion, so there is probably some bias or brigadeing in the comment section as well. Take everything you see here with a grain of salt.

Edit: formatting.

[–]When_Ducks_Attack 28 ポイント29 ポイント

Take everything you see here with a grain of salt.

This is Reddit. That sentence should be emblazoned on EVERY "serious" thread.

[–]nossr50 7 ポイント8 ポイント

it does mean they have an agenda and someone is clearly spamming their videos to push that agenda.

Describe what not having an agenda would be like.

You can't make a video with an opinion on any semi-serious topic without having an agenda.

[–]e26e6e66e 1 ポイント2 ポイント

An agenda of a think tank 100% funded by political groups, businesses, and associations, not to mention headed by board members with direct stakes in those sponsors, is called a conflict of interest if you're looking for objective reporting.

You know nothing about think tanks clearly. Im not saying the video is bad, but the agenda of many think tanks out there is to be a mouthpiece for their sponsors for personal profit.

[–]lumpking69 6 ポイント7 ポイント

simply saying not to downvote opposing opinions

No one likes reddiquette cops, regardless of what side your on. You think people who give 0 fucks about a respectful debate are going to care about your hall monitoring?

[–]pandasexual 19 ポイント20 ポイント

Take everything you see here with a grain of salt. No need to do that when it's a video by a liberal think tank!

[–]the_die 12 ポイント13 ポイント

Duh only conservatives can have agendas.

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    [–]nutbastard 58 ポイント59 ポイント

    while they are not automatically wrong for having a conservative slant, it does mean they have an agenda and someone is clearly spamming their videos to push that agenda.

    ...Or despite whatever agenda they may have, perhaps they are actually making sense regarding a hotly contested and very relevant issue and this online community is populated with level headed individuals who upvoted the content?

    To accuse them of having "an agenda" is to imply that they have ulterior motives, which is borderline ad hominem. As far as I can tell, their "agenda" is to stem the flow of alarmist misinformation.

    [–]ieattime20 20 ポイント21 ポイント

    Or despite whatever agenda they may have, perhaps they are actually making sense regarding a hotly contested and very relevant issue

    I'd agree with your assessment if they were making an argument against rape culture. But they're making an argument against some other idea, something like "Rape is a cultural value that society protects". Kinda like saying "Global warming isn't real because some places are cold." It is a mindless reading of the words used in the term without going through the barest effort to research what it means.

    To clear the air a bit, rape culture is a theory that says the culture values behaviors and interpretations of events that make things significantly easier for rapists. It's akin to, say, a neighborhood encourages all people to leave their doors unlocked as some show of trust or community or safety. That's not a cultural value of theft, it's a cultural value of other things which make theft astonishingly easy to get away with.

    When people say stuff like "False accusers of rape deserve as much jail time as people who rape", it makes people who were victims of a traumatic but hard-to-prove crime (all rape is hard to prove compared to, say, theft or arson) not want to stick their neck out in the pursuit of justice. For the record, lying about murder is not an equivalent crime to murder. Perjury is its own crime, with its own consequences, and telling a lie, no matter how defaming, is not the same as forcibly subjugating someone for sexual pleasure.

    [–]pigmonkey 54 ポイント55 ポイント

    Almost everyday I've seen a highly up-voted video criticizing Feminism on this sub, most of which are from the same Youtube channel. It could be happening naturally but it just seems to frequent not to have some sort of push behind it.

    [–]DeSanti 9 ポイント10 ポイント

    I'd bet money on it being natural in the sense that Person A sees a video about this topic, posts it to Reddit, it gets popular, it spreads outside the site, Person B might see it through Reddit or somewhere else -- look through similar videos and then post that with the same type of title and tone to it as it's been demonstratively proven to work.

    Regardless, Reddit - like many sites like these - often gets "hooked" on a trend or a certain topic until it gets accused of being a cirklejerk and then the trend is to seem like an avant guarde visionary that "admits" to hate or dislike the trend and eventually that becomes the new cirklejerk and you get tossers like me making observations on it and we're going full circle.

    [–]Ymir_from_Saturn 6 ポイント7 ポイント

    criticizing feminism

    This video did not criticize feminism. It aimed to rectify a theme of misinformation on a topic. The video had nothing to do with feminism directly; it mentioned that some activists were spreading misinformation (some of those activists may have been feminists, but this was not specified, emphasized, or labeled as important).

    [–]nutbastard 15 ポイント16 ポイント

    Reddit is mostly 18-35 year old males IIRC, and quite a few of us resent the current climate of radical feminism.

    Hell, there was someone in this very thread saying that looking at someone in what they perceive to be a "sexually suggestive manner" is sexual assault.

    The feminists are screwing themselves by diluting the word "rape" to the point (to continue the analogy) that it has all the efficacy of homeopathy.

    [–]yellowcushion 5 ポイント6 ポイント

    I think it's a natural shift. It's a generation of men who were taught feminist ideas in schools at home and on television, and brought up in a society where women had equality of opportunity and a great number of institutionalized privileges and protections that men were not afforded. And then these same men have been treated as "rapists in waiting", been shouted down for discussing issues that affect men (while simultaneously being told women don't have a voice), and have by and large been less successful than their female peers in the workplace and the education system.

    Anecdotally I've noticed that this shift is definitely not limited to the caricature of unattractive, angry men who live with their parents. Most of the men I know that share these opinions are normal guys with jobs and significant others.

    I personally can't even sign on to facebook without seeing at least a half dozen posts about how hard life is for white women in the first world and how it's the fault of misogyny and sexism. Today just on facebook I saw a story claiming that society's pervasive misogyny lead to the Isla Vista killings, a story about how a schools dress code is sexist for not allowing spaghetti straps (followed by dozens of "teach boys not to be pigs" comments) and a story about how facebook is both sexist and "fattist" for deleting a photo of a chubby woman's ass for about an hour.

    It shouldn't be hard to see why men might become frustrated by the fact that having your ass photo taken down for an hour is an injustice while even discussing men's poor performance in post secondary education or the systematic degradation of due process rights in sexual assault cases is regarded as hateful thoughtcrime.

    [–]JoeyJoeJoeShabadou 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Almost everyday I've seen a highly up-voted video criticizing Feminism on this sub

    Could it be because a lot of normal, left-wing people are fed up with the onslaught of radical feminism in today's society, and the near non-existence of moderate feminists telling the supposed loud minority to hush up?

    I for one am sick of the constant attacks on my character simply for being a white man.

    [–]son_nequitur 24 ポイント25 ポイント

    Could you describe this "onslaught"? Are you bombarded with radical feminists in your daily life? I don't know where you live, but I just don't see it. It seems like most of the time there's not even a single radical feminist story on the front page of Reddit. Most news sources don't really publish anything that I would call "radical feminist".

    [–]cranktheguy 12 ポイント13 ポイント

    The 1 in 4 (or 5) statistic is often quoted in the news.

    [–]forca_micah 6 ポイント7 ポイント

    Or the White House, as shown here

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      [–]JoeyJoeJoeShabadou -1 ポイント0 ポイント

      When I was going to school in Toronto, yes. Canadian colleges are a bastion of radical feminism, and it's very difficult to get away from it. I don't live there anymore, so at the moment, now I don't have to deal with it.

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        [–][deleted] 3 ポイント4 ポイント

        If you are from an extremely liberal college, I can understand. But this post makes me think that you've never met a feminist, as there are extremely 'few' radical feminists compared to moderate. just because someone searches for misguided comments from a preteen on tumblr doesn't mean that's what the whole world thinks. I have yet to meet a 'radical.' Try going to the 60s for a taste of what real radical feminism would look like

        [–]FreudJesusGod 16 ポイント17 ポイント

        I went to a very left college and was heavily active in student government. I was stunned by the tolerance for anti-male bigotry. Stunned.

        That was nearing 15 years ago. I can't imagine what it's currently like when even centrist schools are getting in the news for RadFem-driven polemics.

        Frankly, RadFems are driving the narrative. Not the moderates. Ignore their extremism at your peril.

        [–]throwaway4323294 8 ポイント9 ポイント

        You want to know what they're up to today? Check this out: U of T student union moves ahead with harrowingly stupid equity plan

        The UTSU, however, wants to take the unprecedented step of overhauling its council structure and implementing a new system comprised of “constituency directors” representing mostly marginalized groups. In total, there would be 10 constituency directors, who would represent racialized students, LGBTQ students, women, international students, indigenous students, students with disabilities, mature students, athletes, first-year students and commuters.

        *This plan doesn’t include any council representation for the white, male, second-year student who lives on campus and doesn’t play sports — but he has his privilege, right? *

        Munib Sajjad, UT student union president: 'And also, heterosexual white males don't need representation. They used to have it, it was called the Klu Klux Klan'

        [–]Outlulz 2 ポイント3 ポイント

        Graduated from a lefty college two years ago, also heavy in student government and leadership. Discussions were more centered around race and LGBT acceptance. Not much gender politics let alone supposed anti-male, unless you're the type that thinks sexual assault awareness campaigns to be inherently anti-make like some men do (which just raises flags)

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            [–]jarhead930 1 ポイント2 ポイント

            I know man, it's really hard being a white male. I for one, think we should be given special treatment for all the constant attacks on our character due to our gender and race!

            Oh right....

            [–]JoeyJoeJoeShabadou 2 ポイント3 ポイント

            It doesn't matter how good I've got it as a white male - attacking my character because I'm a white male should be just as unacceptable to attack my character if I were black or a woman.

            Women aren't going to get to the top by tearing down men.

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                [–]ThisIsMyFloor 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                You can't spam the same channel from a single reddit account. Also no recently created accounts can post here.

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                  [–]ooburai 11 ポイント12 ポイント

                  That could be the case, but let's just say that any organization that makes it's bread by plainly political positions isn't really that credible, certainly not on a complex social issue which has been successfully politicized. The AEI does not exist to provide data in a vacuum or to act as an academic research organization. This isn't to say that they're always wrong, but they have a very specific and fairly right wing agenda. If they want me to be taken seriously they should be publishing a paper with citations, not sticking up a video on YouTube which pointedly chose to use Obama as the talking head to provide a soundbite statistic that they take issue with. The video is crafted to sway opinion and to cater to a specific audience the same soundbite would have had a very different connotation if they had chosen a different politician or perhaps an academic.

                  I have my issues with both sides of the political debate on rape, but I fail to see what meaningful information this video even brings to the discussion. Kitchens doesn't seem to be introducing anything meaningful to the debate and she seems to be implying that if we are concerned about the casual tolerance of rape imagery in some contexts then we are therefore not able to multitask and actually deal with the more specific criminal and social issue. She lost me when she dragged Robin Thicke into it, that's completely a sleight of hand trick to distract us from the actual issue and is completely irrelevant.

                  The very people that she is casting as messengers of disinformation on the left are the people who worked to change a lot of our views as a society on sexual assault in the first place. They were also politically active and had an agenda of their own, but their objective was to draw attention to a problem of perception. It's not that long ago that we didn't even have the vocabulary to discuss men being sexually assaulted, wives being assaulted by their husbands or a range of other issues related to this topic. It's a fairly rapidly evolving field of social science, I daresay we have not heard the last word on the topic.

                  I had to scroll halfway down this page to find the first post that wasn't basically a circlejerk about how tough it is for men because... feminists? This further supports my personal view on the nature of this video and it's intended objective. The message at the end of the video is very misleading. She cites a First Amendment lobby group (FIRE) and creates a strawman by implying that the primary concern of her opponents are men that like looking at women in swimsuits. I can assure you that I like looking at women in swimsuits and I don't feel at all threatened by false accusations of rape. I'm more likely to be hit by a car tomorrow than to be accused of rape and I don't worry about that either. The fact that this is all couched in the term hysteria is all the more telling (and a bit ironic if you know the actual origin of the term).

                  "Rape is caused not by cultural factors, but by the conscious decisions of a small percentage of the community to commit a violent crime." This statement is so facile as to almost not warrant a response, but I will. If rape is caused by the conscious decision of a select group of criminals, what do you suppose causes these criminals to make these conscious decisions? Crime rates don't happen in a vacuum. There are many factors that can cause the relative rates of crime to increase and decrease and they don't fall out of the sky for reasons that are impossible to penetrate. Some of these factors are related to the social milieu that we live in, not that this explains everything either.

                  Finally, she finishes by connecting two issues which are not directly related: the alleged loss of civil liberties by the falsely accused and bringing justice to sexual assault victims. It doesn't help that she pleads her personal experience at Duke as somehow giving her a particular insight on the issue. A serious academic wouldn't resort to personal anecdote and would be skeptical even of first hand accounts on a topic like this. Which of these two conflated issues is the issue that she's really talking about? She says almost nothing about victims before that point except to downplay the actual numbers by claiming that they're overstated by an order of magnitude.

                  This video is a waste of time at best.

                  [–]lenticrow 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                  To accuse them of having "an agenda" is to imply that they have ulterior motives, which is borderline ad hominem.

                  I wish Reddit could apply this logic to feminism as well, rather than just to the critics/trolls of feminism. Feminism and feminist thought are easily dismissed because it represents an "agenda" on Reddit. That's fucking bullshit. And the idea that you can whip out the whole "having a political stake in a matter is not invalid" argument here and get upvoted...but not elsewhere...is some serious hypocrisy.

                  [–]particle409 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

                  I think people are just wary since they've magically taken every position opposite of the Obama administration. Seriously, AEI is shit, and I would be shocked if they made any valid points in this video.

                  For all of Reddit's "red pill" bluster, way more women are raped than there are false rape accusations.

                  [–]iaoth 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                  If that argument isn't admissible, then disregard the video too. The woman in the video dismisses the "1 in 5" statistic by saying it was engineered by someone with a feminist agenda. She goes on to give a different number but she doesn't say why that's any better or if it even tries to include unreported incidents.

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                    [–]AdamDaze 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                    As seen by the volume of comments, it's a clearly emotive issue. When quality content (And thats just a reflection on the production value of the video, not it's content) is produced around emotive issues, it tends to get supported by those that align with it moreso than random youtube opinion pieces. From what I can see, the submitting accounts don't appear to be particularly spammy. It's simply a hot button topic, and AEI simply happens to be the latest group pumping out content that satisfies those that feel the button needs to be pressed. It's entirely up to you to rationalise their presentation (if you feel like watching it) and supporting the issues raised (if you feel like agreeing with it).

                    I totally get your suspicion, but I think your conclusion about someone "clearly spamming their videos" doesn't account for it's current position in the sub, on this occasion. Sure, a few "starter votes" might have helped sneak it out of the depths of new (as many people do with their submissions, by asking mates to upboat, etc) but scroll down. Legit users do have opinions on this. Strong ones.

                    [–]rockidol 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                    I haven't watched the video but now that I know it's from a think tank I'm having second thoughts. Is it worth watching?

                    [–]alexrmay91 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                    http://www.buyredditvotes.us/buy-reddit-downvotes

                    [–]never_home 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                    is that site a joke?

                    [–]heracleides 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                    If it isn't, that might even the score on some of the issues involving special interests on this site.

                    [–]quingard 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                    Too many people are willing to believe the first thing they see or hear. No one can challenge ideas on their own anymore. They need to be told what to think and believe. There is always a catch, or someone who profits. Use the information given to decide on your own what is right or wrong... Amirite?

                    [–]yellowcushion 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                    I feel the same way in some respects, and many of these thinktanks produce some absolutely insane nonsense.

                    However, the "other side" of this debate hasn't even remotely proven their case. There is no real question as to the validity of Koss' study, it's bunk. There is a tonne of other contradictory data on sexual assault and even the more generous surveys and studies don't produce "1 in 5", or anything even close to that.

                    Furthermore, the term "rape culture" was created to describe prison rape culture, where rape is actively encouraged, tolerated and considered a regular part of prison life. The same cannot be said for the rape of women. The rape of women has almost never been considered tolerable. Certainly not in the modern world, and not in the majority of societies on the planet. To suggest that the whole of society is subliminally being taught to rape, or that rape is acceptable, is complete nonsense with no basis in reality.

                    I think the AEI in this instance made very modest and reasonable claims and criticisms.

                    [–]the_die 11 ポイント12 ポイント

                    Yeah guys, watch out for their evil conservative agenda of telling people that not all men are rapists. Fuck if it makes sense, they're conservative and have an agenda (gasp).

                    [–]FunfettiHead 8 ポイント9 ポイント

                    AEI is Koch brother funded garbage. If you believe them then you're telling me there is no such thing as global warming and there should be zero taxes because freedom.

                    [–]imnotgoodwithnames 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                    A broken clock is right twice a day. I haven't' even watched the video yet, just making the point that your argument is fallacious.

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                      [–]fatcharlie24 10 ポイント11 ポイント

                      Yes, because that's what rape culture is all about. Who cares what the real arguments about rape culture are, it's so much more fun to attack strawmen!

                      [–]Cttam 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                      ah, a genuine ~notallmen!!~ in the wild. a beautiful sight.

                      [–]Sc2God 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                      If it doesn't matter that they are conservative, why would you mention it?

                      [–]imnotatwat 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                      Some people are so stupid that you have to explicitly spell out being conservative doesn't mean you're okay with general douchebaggery from the nutty ones.

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                        [–]Fadobo 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        But its also kinda how reddit works. People see a popular video, check the site it's from, find similar videos they agree with which they know will work with the reddit crowd as well = karma

                        [–]epSos-DE 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        As same as the all-men-hating lesbians who create false lies about men, because they see them from a corrupted angle anyway.

                        Listening to lesbian feminists to talk about men is as same as listening to gays about proper family planning.

                        Lies, lies and more lies that come from their internal hate.

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                          [–]brokedown 160 ポイント161 ポイント

                          Rape is one of those topics where it is nearly impossible to have a civil, reasoned discussion. The real lack (or precieved reliability) of facts on the issue turn it into more of a religious discussion than science. It's insanity at its best, and real progress on the topic just won't happen until we can talk about it as reasonable people. Disputing this week's Tumblr infographic's reliability is enough to be accused of misogyny. Disputing a number quoted by Obama?

                          [–]transmigrant 71 ポイント72 ポイント

                          Disputing this week's Tumblr infographic's reliability is enough to be accused of misogyny

                          Can confirm. This happened to me, and I constantly stick up for equal rights.

                          [–]Sprinklys 28 ポイント29 ポイント

                          I think one of the reasons is that rape is such a serious offense; yet, is a term women like to throw around casually.

                          Read half the posts on TwoXChromosomes where posters ask if they were raped. I'm sorry; but, no, you were not raped because you willingly gave a guy a blow job when you were both drunk and regretted it the next morning.

                          [–]Truth_Hurts_ 23 ポイント24 ポイント

                          yet, is a term women like to throw around casually.

                          Right here. I've had personal experience where girls who have cheated on their boyfriends initially said 'rape', then admitted they had lied because they didn't want to be the bad guy.

                          [–]RadioCured 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                          This happened to my best friend. He forgave her for cheating AND for accusing the guy of drugging and raping her and they're still together now. I won't even look at her now and it's hurt my friendship with the guy.

                          [–]heracleides 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                          bad guy

                          That's sexist.

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                            [–]ooburai 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                            Read half the posts on TwoXChromosomes where posters ask if they were raped. I'm sorry; but, no, you were not raped because you willingly gave a guy a blow job when you were both drunk and regretted it the next morning.

                            Never read it so I can't comment on your point directly, but the situation you are describing is not what we're talking about in the vast majority of sexual assault accusations. It's not confused college drunks, in fact, I would go so far as to say that this is bandied around so much as the counter argument to a more proactive stance on sexual assault so as to nearly qualify as apocryphal in this context. Or rather the exception that proves the rule.

                            [–]SammyFInch 14 ポイント15 ポイント

                            95% of people agree with you, but you're going to be called a misigynist for that post because rad fems throw out misogyny accusations faster than Al Sharpton claims bigotry.

                            [–]brokedown 8 ポイント9 ポイント

                            It's a shame that the radicals are the ones who get the air time. I sometimes wonder if they really believe what they say, or if they really just have malice in their hearts.

                            [–]TooPoorForThis 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                            The world isn't what they thought it would be, and now they're pissed.

                            [–]yuckyfortress 10 ポイント11 ポイント

                            TwoXChromosomes

                            Why that sub-reddit is default is beyond me. There was a woman there claiming to be "sexually harassed" because a random stranger took a picture of her on the subway.. boggles the mind. It wasn't even a sexual image, like an upskirt or anything, just a creepy dude took her picture and it randomly became a sexual harassment "men see us as holes to fuck" rant.

                            People like that are dangerous, as well as the people who sympathize with them which makes them feel justified for their ignorant ideas, and why men always have to deal with BS false accusations.

                            I'm pretty sure they made it default so everyone can see how ridiculous that shit is. No person with a rational mind would see that and think, "Yep, this is a cause I can get behind." I think it's doing quite the opposite with the post content alone.

                            edit: aaand they found us, so prepare for every comment in here that calls out BS to be downvoted.

                            [–]Snowyjoe 23 ポイント24 ポイント

                            If I remember correctly TwoXChromosomes was actually a pretty good subreddit for women to discuss their problems with each other, but once it became a default it went to shit.

                            [–]heracleides 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                            Reddit as a whole has gone to shit with it's absorption into higher media and the mod/admin base who are whores to their owners. This place has become a distraction like everything else that gets publicity.

                            [–]Sergnb 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                            It had been shit for quite a while before it got defaulted. It used to br a good place until it gained popularity, that's true, but the popularity was gained waaaay before

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                              [–]zumpiez 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                              Well. Wait. Your objection is just that you think they were just regular-harassed rather than sexually harassed?

                              [–]NotHelpfulButTrue 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                              It is not illegal in any sense to take a picture on a subway. Maybe she had a funny hat. The argument is that the immediate reaction is "I am being sexually assaulted."

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                                [–]crazy_loop 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                If you have to ask a bunch of people if you have been raped then you probably were not raped.

                                [–]SteazGaming 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                I do agree, but I think women and men both equally throw the term around all too casually.

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                                  [–]saints_fan85 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                                  The same can be said for accusing women of being sexist and black people being racist. You can't even bring up topics like these in a public setting without being crucified

                                  [–]son_nequitur 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                  Honestly, I think you're being a wimp. Someone accuses you of misgyny and so you just throw your hands up in the air and say "SEE! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A CIVIL DISCOURSE ABOUT RAPE!"

                                  Why can't you just form your own beliefs and stand by them? Why are you all taking-your-toys-and-going-home because some random person on the internet accused you of something you don't think you are guilty of?

                                  I think it's an important subject, and I think we should talk about it. It's one of the biggest criminal justice/public health issues in the world today. And people say crazy stuff on the subject and that's fine. Hopefully we can learn something and make some progress. Maybe some days we don't. But I'm not going to give up talking about it because some people have outlandish opinions. That means the rapists and the narcissistic feminists won.

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                                    [–]Raincoats_George 83 ポイント84 ポイント

                                    I belong to a volunteer agency that votes on new members occasionally. We go over your background, reasons for joining, things like this, before voting you on.

                                    We had a man apply to join and came to shadow with us a few times. Hes loud. He is one of those people who just talks a lot and doesn't have that typical social etiquette you might find comfortable. While he is a bit weird, he was extremely intelligent, extremely helpful, very willing to do the work that was required, and by no means had any background that would disqualify him from joining.

                                    What followed though was by all accounts some sort of sexual predator hysteria. There are a few women who are higher ups in the organization that went on a crusade to get him removed. Why? Because they claimed he was essentially a sexual predator. Their evidence? 'He made them feel uncomfortable.' Never mind these very people have a history of forcing people out they didnt like. Never mind the ringleader very clearly has a mental disorder. But no. This man was targeted to be removed and for no other reason than 'he seemed like a sexual predator'.

                                    This made my blood boil, as it would just about anyone here. I met with this man and got to work with him first hand. Can I say that hes not some criminal? No, how do you ever know if anyone is a criminal. But his only crime was being a little eccentric.

                                    I pulled every string I had with the higher ups. These women actually tried to form a committee to have him removed, thankfully I was able to have this whole thing overruled and that psychotic cunt shut down and told in no uncertain terms if she pulled this shit again she was out.

                                    I have of course made an enemy in doing so, but jesus christ she was going out of her way to rile up every woman in the organization. The guy committed no crime but might as well have been found guilty of rape by their logic.

                                    Its shit like this that makes me lose my faith in the world. Just because people get bored and need a little drama, suddenly they can just decide a guy is a rapist. Fuck em.

                                    [–]DionysosX 47 ポイント48 ポイント

                                    In 2012 there was an absolutely brilliant and ballsy movie about this issue released.

                                    It's called "The Hunt", the main character is played by Mads Mikkelsen and it's directed by Thomas Vinterberg.

                                    Mikkelsen plays a teacher who gets accused of being a sexual predator by a little girl. It shows how the whole community, even close friends turn against him based on that one accusation and how hopless his situation becomes, since whatever he does is interpreted as a confirmation of him being evil. The utter despair that this picture portrays is extremely gripping.

                                    It's without a doubt one of the best films released in the past few years and I highly recommend it.

                                    [–]Voshh 12 ポイント13 ポイント

                                    I recently watched this myself and thought the movie was well made, the acting was fantastic. I have worked with children every day for years (teacher) and what really got me was not so much the false accusation of the child, or that he was wrongfully and maliciously accused by a young girl...it was how poorly the adults involved in that situation handled it. The head of the kindergarten should not have sought aid from a personal friend, either call children's services or the police right away, I dont agree that she should have told the other parents-that should have been the police. The hysteria and wrongful blame the main character felt was at the fault of the woman imo. I kinda wonder if everyone blames the little girl? Definitely worth seeing

                                    [–]DionysosX 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                                    While I was annoyed with the girl, the adults were the main perpetrators of injustice in my opinion, too, since they were the ones who escalated it in an unproductive way. It's their responsibiliy to deal with these situations reasonably.

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                                      [–]MOTHERFUCKING_NODDY 11 ポイント12 ポイント

                                      lol

                                      What's their problem with this?

                                      [–]Raincoats_George 8 ポイント9 ポイント

                                      I'm already banned from srs because I called their lead mod an uppity cunt. But feel free to call them out on this shit. Seriously you know there's a thing called feminism and sticking up for women's rights. I'm all for that.

                                      Then there's srs. It's a bastardization of that. A false flag organization for fat angry cunts. They think we don't recognize it for what it is. But all of reddit is aware. That's why no one cares no matter how greasy their cunts get about a matter.

                                      [–]ShadowBannedTwice 8 ポイント9 ポイント

                                      I don't get why they're allowed to brigade but other subs have been shut down for the same thing.

                                      *and here they are!

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                                        [–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                                        They oppose the misogynistic position that women can be shitty. Only men can be shitty. Anything else is sexism.

                                        So if those women accused him of being a sexual predator with no evidence that proves he is a literal rapist.

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                                          [–]Lordnethesis 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                                          Love where they decided to quote

                                          [–]sidewalkchalked 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                                          Can I say that hes not some criminal? No,

                                          Legally speaking you can say that unless he has been convicted of a crime.

                                          Thats the meaning of innocent until proven guilty.

                                          [–]Ymir_from_Saturn 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                                          In a court of law, yes. But he's talking objectively: he can't know for sure that the guy isn't a criminal, but you missed his main point: It's unreasonable to assume that he is without evidence.

                                          [–]turtles_and_frogs 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                                          That's pretty horrifying. To be honest, I'm pretty happy with my life. I'm in my 20's, I'm fairly in shape, I'm stable, I earn more than the median household income, I have plenty of free time. I don't volunteer, and I don't have a girlfriend. I just don't see the point in taking that risk.

                                          I see escorts for affection. They behave professionally, and there's no risk of craziness. To me, that's just a lot more rewarding. Between friends and escorts, I don't feel lonely, and it's safe.

                                          [–]TheBlackCommunity 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                          Well guess who convicted him for you? SRS. Thanks to SRS, all menz are giiilllllty

                                          [–]Joliet_Jake_Blues 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                                          Way off topic, but I knew a guy who got fired for sending a meal back at a restaurant.

                                          He didn't even send it back. The waiter saw he wasn't eating it and asked him what else he could bring, and was persistent, wouldn't stop asking until my co-worker ordered something else.

                                          He was targeted by our cunt boss and her drama-queen of a right hand man. Within 3 months they had enough ticky-tack violations to fire him.

                                          I guess he should have just eaten those bad shrimp instead of sitting quietly...

                                          People who have pathetic lives and need to create drama at work are a cancer.

                                          [–]Raincoats_George 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                                          What sucks is it can happen at any job. If you are not in the 'in crowd' you are at risk.

                                          I've seen people targeted and lose their jobs over this shit. To me that means it's insanely real. To me that emphasizes how important it is to learn how to spot these people, mitigate their damage, and perhaps crush them for your own financial security.

                                          It's difficult but this can be done. The sad fact is that it requires you sink down to their twisted level and be better at their games than they are. Which is not easy.

                                          Honestly though you generally can't beat them. And it's fucking awful. Any man or woman who would fuck with another human beings income deserves all the worst things. Thankfully we can play the game against them and we can win. It's just sad that it has to come to that.

                                          [–]HatrackJack 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                                          See, this is unacceptable. I'm a woman, and that is people being ridiculous children, bullying and trying to exclude someone else. This is definitely NOT the way all women think and behave, although just like you get some asshole guys, you get some asshole girls too.

                                          It's true that women tend to be more 'paranoid', eg more concerned about a guy being 'creepy', more worried that a stranger took a picture of us, more likely to ignore men who try to talk to us, but it's because we're taught to be very wary or potentially dangerous situations. "When you walk home after dark, keep your head up, your phone on hand, you can use your keys as a weapon, don't respond to people' kind of thing. But that kind of fear that stems from living in an unsafe environment where you always have to be cautious, is completely different from excluding someone completely from an environment where you don't need to be cautious like that just because you don't like them.

                                          [–]Raincoats_George 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                          This stems from a small circle of ladies. And the thing is they are good at their job. I respect them when we are at work. But it's not the only case.

                                          Another kid. 18.he is the most innocent, well manored, well behaved, well intentioned kid you have ever met. You know what you would think if you met him. Man this kid is a chump. But you know what. This very kid was called arrogant. He was singled out because a member of this little social circle decided he wasn't good enough.

                                          When he came up for a vote I listened patiently as they painted their story about how unreliable he is. How arrogant he is. How he just doesn't have it. I waited. Then I spoke. I spoke the reality of the thing. A few words. Nothing major. That's all it took. He was voted on unanimously. Part of it is that I've invested a lot of time not only in the organization but in its new members. The other part is that these fucking psychos have made a name for themselves and people have stopped trusting them.

                                          If I told you what we did it would horrify you. Just let it be known that politics and bullshit infect an organization that is very much invested in life or death situations.

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                                            [–]DeSanti 17 ポイント18 ポイント

                                            If people feel that AEI is an untrustworthy source of information (which I can understand) then I recommend also reviewing the report sent to the White House by RAINN, USA's largest anti-sexual assault organization.

                                            Excerpts:

                                            In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campuses. [...] Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime. [...] While that may seem an obvious point, it has tended to get lost in recent debates. This has led to an inclination to focus on particular segments of the student population (e.g., athletes), particular aspects of campus culture (e.g., the Greek system), or traits that are common in many millions of law-abiding Americans (e.g., “masculinity”), rather than on the subpopulation at fault: those who choose to commit rape.

                                            I honestly have no "beef" or much problem with Feminism, be it Academic or what-have-you cultural mish-mash of political, societal or related beliefs. But they, like so many others who try, are no authority on when it comes to identifying the problem of rapists, rape-prevalence or anything around it. They are no the qualified experts, nor the go-to people when trying to identify a pattern or culprits.

                                            [–][deleted] 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                                            That's really interesting. Thanks for the insight.

                                            [–]Ymir_from_Saturn 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                            I like how the group that made the original video included links to other sources that were relevant to the material, like RAINN or FIRE.

                                            [–]poslime 57 ポイント58 ポイント

                                            People get so angry when you go to disprove that statistic, too. I don't get it. Are they upset that it's likely a lot fewer women are being raped than they first thought? I mean...what?

                                            [–]MothaFuckinGummyBear 38 ポイント39 ポイント

                                            It seems to hurt their agenda.

                                            I saw on a post a few days ago that people tend to ignore facts when it comes to changing their beliefs. They just keep on believing and get hostile when someone tries to tell them they are wrong.

                                            I get what these women are trying to do, but they are blowing it out of proportion and making themselves look like radical fools.

                                            Luckily most of these women grow out of it and realize things arent as horrible as theyve been told by those ideologues masquerading as academics that have been teaching them women studies for years.

                                            [–]AntiAmericanGraffiti 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                                            Classic example of cognitive dissonance.

                                            [–]Noise_ 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                                            You can see this in many areas, not just with rape culture. Once humans are programmed to believe something is one way, it's very very difficult, even with solid evidence, to get them to believe it is the other way. This is why propaganda is so effective and used on such a massive scale by people with agendas.

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                                                [–]Snaaaaaaaaaake 93 ポイント94 ポイント

                                                Guys. Dead honest. Does anyone actually know what "Rape Culture" is? Because my roommate, who is much wiser in this area due to her active role in female politics and who goes to rape survivor talks, told me this:

                                                "Rape Culture means that when, say for instance, a girl gets raped by a football star, the news and media will talk about how the boys football career is over and so on. They will portray the male as the victim, when in reality the female and just been part of one the most horrific and tragic experiences of her life."

                                                See to me, THAT's rape culture.

                                                [–]RaptorPie 45 ポイント46 ポイント

                                                The term "rape culture" was originally used to describe the general public's acceptance (or even embrace) of prison rape.

                                                [–]heracleides 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                                                Too bad for the male majority that being a man is politically incorrect and thus not a worthy issue. I'm glad they were able to shift it to a women's issue so that we could finally see the positive discrimination in courts and society. Women need more attention.

                                                [–]hefnetefne 9 ポイント10 ポイント

                                                Rape culture consists of 11 yr olds describing how badly they beat you at their video game.

                                                [–]RodneyRainbegone 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                                                You could argue that rape culture works against men too because when a woman/man rapes a man no one cares and they usually joke about it. Men are afraid to report rape and even if they wanted to there are little to no programs or systems in place to help them.

                                                [–]tard-baby 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                                Conservative football towns. Go figure. All the rape that happens in the majority conservative military is also evidence of how trashy the right wing is.

                                                [–]AndyAndrophile 50 ポイント51 ポイント

                                                I guess we all live in a "murder culture" then since people also similarly defended criminals like O.J. Simpson largely on the basis of his race, and a "pedophile culture" because some people defended Catholic priests who abused children, and a "filicide culture" because some people portray the mothers who murder their children as neglected victims of post-partum depression.

                                                The term "rape culture" is fucking moronic if you live anywhere in the world outside of some Wahhabist shithole like Jeddah.

                                                [–]RaptorPie 26 ポイント27 ポイント

                                                Or "dog abuse culture" since just about every dumbass in Philadelphia won't stop riding Michael Vick's dick.

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                                                  [–]EsportsLottery 15 ポイント16 ポイント

                                                  No, it's sports culture. They don't care if these sports star murder, kidnap, or anything else as long as they score some points every week.

                                                  It's ridiculous the amount of public funds that go towards these sports team's, their stadiums, and security every home game. It has nothing to do with sexism. Just look at people who defended Sandusky and the sports team. It's just stupid fanatical people who do not want to believe anything bad about things they like.

                                                  [–]noxpl0x 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                                                  If the guy is known people are going to talk about that person getting kicked out of an organization, the comparison doesn't really make much sense IMO

                                                  [–]heracleides 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                  What about false rape claims, trivial, tedious sexual harassment claims and pro-female legislation? Does that fit into rape culture? A woman may get raped but all men are being raped of their social status and legal rights.

                                                  [–]rockidol 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                                                  That was literally a single CNN article and no one else that did that.

                                                  And they didn't protray the man as being "the real victim" in all this either. IIRC they fully acknowledged that she was the bigger victim but they act liked he got a raw deal from this whole mess.

                                                  And arguing that someone has been given an unjustly harsh punishment is not the same as saying that what they did was OK. This is the same logic that says "if you're not pro death penalty you're pro murder".

                                                  They will portray the male as the victim, when in reality the female and just been part of one the most horrific and tragic experiences of her life."

                                                  The real reality is that she'd have to be a psychic to know that and I'm willing to bet she's never even met the girl (the rape victim). Not everyone has extreme trauma from being raped, it's not always the most horrific experience people have. She's using her attack as a political weapon at this point.

                                                  [–]sedistix 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                                                  I think the media only discusses those things, when its later proved that the victim lied, and the accused is exonerated. As was a recent case with Brian Banks. Who spent years in prison for a crime he didn't commit, and yeah he did have a promising career, but it was dashed away by a immature vindictive woman who cried wolf.

                                                  [–]Owncksd 9 ポイント10 ポイント

                                                  Forgetting about Steubenville?

                                                  [–][deleted] 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                                  Can you provide an example of where the rapist was portrayed as the victim?

                                                  [–]kiaara 27 ポイント28 ポイント

                                                  Steubenville. All major news outlets commented on how sad it was watching the teenage boys cry in court as their lives were being ruined. No mention of the life they ruined.

                                                  [–]KalpoKalo 19 ポイント20 ポイント

                                                  Yet 99% of the population wanted to see those guys heads chopped off and mounted on a stick. Pandering news articles are not representative of what the people believe.

                                                  [–]son_nequitur 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                                                  I don't think it was 99%.

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                                                    [–]bw2002 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                                                    In no way were those boys ok to do what they did, but what's wrong with seeing criminals as humans? Especially criminals that are children. We have a culture that treats criminals like monsters that should be punished to the full extent of the public's bloodlust. How about looking into causes of crime and tryong to reform criminals? Looking at them as human beings is the only way to do that.

                                                    [–]kiaara 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                                                    I agree with you, but there's a big difference between seeing criminals as humans and seeing criminals as victims. And what the press did was victimize these rapists.

                                                    [–][deleted] 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                                    This is not an example of the rapist being portrayed as the victim. People express similar sentiments when, for instance, a young teenage kid is being brought up on murder charges as an adult. That doesn't mean they see him as the victim or that they are supporting murder culture. It's just a sad situation all around. It's almost a cliche if it's not already: "He had so much promise but he threw it all away." Just because one says something along those lines does not mean that he/she supports the criminal.

                                                    Perhaps you can post a link to an example story? I am willing to be persuaded here, but your comment along is not doing it.

                                                    [–]kiaara 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                                    You're right about that. There are those weird feelings of sadness when kids are charged with things. But this wasn't that. This was different.

                                                    Most of the coverage was bad, but CNN was by far the worst. Watch this video and you'll understand exactly what I mean.

                                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvUdyNko8LQ

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                                                      [–]RaptorPie 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                                      Does this often happen when the sport is not football?

                                                      I think our culture has a "football culture" issue more than it has a "rape culture" issue. If the accused were instead, say, lacrosse players, I wager they would have been strung up alive. Even if they were in fact innocent.

                                                      Rape isn't the only crime that footballers can seemingly commit with impunity. Football players have been caught and convicted of doing things like throwing dogs and car batteries into swimming pools, but the public still adores them.

                                                      [–]kiaara 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                      You probably have both. The High School Football Stars seem to be universally worshipped, so that definitely played into it a lot. But I wouldn't play down the rape culture aspect of it at all. And I would definitely not go so far as to say had it been a different sport, people wouldn't have cared. It wasn't really the sport, it was just the fact that these were "young men that had such promising futures, star football players, very good students". It was everything. They were just good, popular, happy guys.

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                                                          [–]dietcokepls 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                                          that's a great perspective...if we were talking about the way news portrays anything to us.

                                                          the rape culture fanaticism that is being discussed is when women group all men together for the crimes very few commit. it is hate-mongering.

                                                          [–]Doright36 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                                          I don't disagree but isn't there a conscious effort made to not discuss the victim in order to protect her privacy? That sort of leaves the accused as the only real way to fill the news segment. (Blame the 24 news cycle and the need to fill time maybe?)

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                                                            [–]TheSliceman 78 ポイント79 ポイント

                                                            The most violent city in North America has a rape rate of 0.062%.

                                                            Thats 1 in 1,600 people a year in that Detroit gets raped.

                                                            In less extremely dangerous cities like New Orleans or New York, it is 1 in 2,700 or 1 in 7,100 respectively.

                                                            I am citing sources with numbers used from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

                                                            Even if most rapes are unreported, it is still extremely rare in the US. The 1 in 5 figure is purely a work of fiction.

                                                            But the kicker behind that statistic is that they are saying "1 in 5 women will be raped in their entire lifetime". This means we are counting over a course of say 30 years. Its basically a parlor trick of statistics. Its a cheap way to make something seem way worse then it really is.

                                                            For example, if we are counting entire lifetimes, then close to 100% of people are violently assaulted!!! This is an outrage! We have a culture where violence is accepted and happens everywhere! Noone is safe!!

                                                            Actually no. Its extremely rare.

                                                            Do not fall for the propaganda.

                                                            [–]kbuis 15 ポイント16 ポイント

                                                            Context: The odds of dying from heart disease in a lifetime is 5:1 and cancer is 7:1.

                                                            EDIT: Added sauce.

                                                            [–]Staross 6 ポイント7 ポイント

                                                            In France an official source (L’Observatoire national de la délinquance) gives 0.22 rapes for 100 women every year at most (75 000 over 32 937 326). Your numbers are probably a bit underestimated because of the low report rate (or French are serial rapists).

                                                            To put things in perspective, it's about the same rate than breast cancer in the uk (0.15 new breast cancer cases for every 100 females). http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/cancerstats/types/breast/incidence/uk-breast-cancer-incidence-statistics

                                                            [–]TheSliceman 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                                                            That would be 1 in 500 France and 1 in 670 in UK.

                                                            Considering France and UK are ultra liberal over the past several decades, they probably get that number by including all sexual assaults as rape. Im almost certain that is the reason.

                                                            It doesnt seem to be a coincidence that the further left the nation is, the higher the rape percentage. Its just a broadening of the definition by the SJWs in office.

                                                            Or maybe it is that those are counties that have banned weapons of self-defense for women to protect themselves and there really is more rape there because criminals know they are safer.

                                                            [–]TooPoorForThis 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                                                            close to 100% of people are violently assaulted

                                                            Finally, I get to be part of the 100%!

                                                            [–]turtles_and_frogs 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                                            100% of people will be dying in their lifetime!

                                                            [–]kenjen18 9 ポイント10 ポイント

                                                            Ever notice that the highest number of reported sexual assaults and/or rapes are on Ivy League campuses or campuses similar to the Ivy League. Can someone help explain to me why? I would think that party campuses like UW-Madison, West Virginia, or Arizona State would have the highest incident reports.

                                                            Are hyper-privileged males at Ivy League schools so used to getting what they want that they turn into misogynistic animals when living on their own for the first time? Are Ivy League women hypersensitive and also used to always getting what they want so upon rejection, or being improperly touched, they claim sexual assault? Maybe a combination of the two? Maybe it's all bullshit? I'm just asking because I refuse to argue with someone that assumes unaccountable survey studies are precise.

                                                            What survey/sample statistics is the President and Biden quoting? Since when have "estimates" been so readily accepted without challenge?

                                                            [–]nickz327 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                                                            As someone on one of these campuses you mentioned that specifically is getting a very polarized and unrealistic portrayal in the media recently as rape central, it's all due to the campus climate. Obviously the student bodies of very prestigious colleges will be far left of center politically and because of that the actual problems with sexual assault are blown out of proportion by those farthest away from center. No college administration of an ultra competitive college could survive any news story that they are silencing those protesting sexual assault. It ends up being that there is almost nothing that can be done to have a healthy non polarized and realistic discussion of the problems that are occurring, because anyone who tries to reign in those on the extremes is instantly labeled a bigot.

                                                            [–]TheSliceman 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                                                            Are hyper-privileged males at Ivy League schools so used to getting what they want that they turn into misogynistic animals when living on their own for the first time? Are Ivy League women hypersensitive and also used to always getting what they want so upon rejection, or being improperly touched, they claim sexual assault? Maybe a combination of the two?

                                                            Very astute observation.

                                                            My only problem with any of this is your use of the word "misogyny". Its obviously not misogyny if they are just all around selfish horrible people. Misogyny would be singling out women as your source of hatred and objectification.

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                                                                [–]guiltyspark343 7 ポイント8 ポイント

                                                                I have a couple of comments on this. The research assistant claims that the oft-cited research suffers from flawed methodology and makes phony conclusions. What are the flaws in the methodology? She goes on to state that the Bureau of Justice statistics are more reliable. Why are they more reliable? Did they improve on the previous research in some way?

                                                                Without evidence to support these claims, this video does little to advance the state of knowledge about this problem or to adequately prevent the problem or improve the treatment of victims of sexual assault.

                                                                [–]adamanything 13 ポイント14 ポイント

                                                                I would encourage you to read the studies for yourself, but the "oft-cited" research that claims the 1 in 5 statistic mainly suffered from misleading questions and an obvious bias to boot. If I remember correctly, the main problem was that "rape" was never actually adequately defined, with regret for a sexual act often being termed rape. Additionally, the person who conducted the study, Mary Koss, later admitted that the study was ambiguous and flawed.

                                                                There is a lot of info out there that one can find with a simple google search, but the wiki on her study provides a decent starting point if you are interested. For the record, I agree that the vid should have cited evidence for their argument, but then again, this research is insanely easy to find if you put in the effort of a google search.

                                                                [–]autowikibot 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                                                                Campus rape:

                                                                Campus rape is the rape of a student attending an institute of higher learning such as a college or university. The term references the campus where these institutes are, although not all reported incidents occur on campus property. The issue affects students seeking higher education throughout the world, even including many Western nations with de jure laws against forms of violence against women and violence against men.

                                                                Estimates vary greatly as to the number of women who experience a sexual assault during college, with surveys focused on the United States placing it as low as 1 in 50 (2%) to as high as 1 in 4 (25%). The rate of male victims is estimated to be 1 in 7. The nature of the surveys and the wording of the questions appears to be the largest factor in the variance of figures, with other estimates being in between.

                                                                Campus rape is a felony that affects different ethnic groups, different social classes, different places on the gender spectrum.

                                                                Image i - People in Bangalore protesting outside Bangalore Town Hall on 30 December 2012 demanding justice for the 23-year-old college student following her death on 29 December 2012. (Delhi gang rape)

                                                                Interesting: Rape culture | Rape | Acquaintance rape | Violence against women

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                                                                  [–]KalpoKalo 12 ポイント13 ポイント

                                                                  We are slowly watering down the term "rape" which is offensive and probably hurting the cause of actual rape victims.

                                                                  [–]Ymir_from_Saturn 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                                                                  Exactly. If the definition of the word expands to "I did something and regretted it later" we are devaluing the experiences of true victims in favor of wolf criers. This hurts victims, hurts the falsely accused, and hurts society as a whole.

                                                                  [–]son_nequitur 8 ポイント9 ポイント

                                                                  These threads always end up full of people talking about "proof" and discussing public court cases and media circuses.

                                                                  It makes me sad to think about the number of people I've talked to, women and men, who have been raped and had people not believe them, watched their rapists get taken care of by the system, and had to basically hide and try to heal themselves alone or with a tiny support system. A homeless buddy of mine just told me the other week how his uncle raped him when he was a kid and none of his family believed him. It's sad that I hear about these things all the time, but none of these experiences are "admissible" on Reddit. The only thing that seems to matter to a big swath of people is what's been published in the Washington Post and what people have come out and said publicly. But rape culture is really a very private crisis. It's an iceberg, and the tip of it is small enough that it's easy to pretend it's not there.

                                                                  I keep coming into these threads and hoping to be able to quiet the voices who are saying it's all propaganda, and there's not really a problem, but it's really hard. There is such a strong voting bloc on here that seems to really want to push the idea that the rape crisis is a feminist invention.

                                                                  [–]zumpiez 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                                                                  E-hugs

                                                                  [–]NUMBERS2357 7 ポイント8 ポイント

                                                                  One thing I'll add to the part about misleading statistics. If you look at the number of rapes that are reported, it has gone down dramatically since the mid-90s. Along with all other violent crime. But in that time, those "1 in 4" numbers haven't changed. People say the difference between "1 in 4", and the number of reported rapes, is that many victims don't report...but then why would the number of reports go down along with all other violent crimes, while the number of victims stays the same?

                                                                  The only explanation would be if, for some reason, all other violent crimes declined 50% in 20 years, but the number of rapes stayed the same. And at the same time, the rate of reporting rape went down (with no explanation) so as to exactly match the drop in other types of crime.

                                                                  What's more likely, that, or that people are wedded to these "1 in 4" type numbers even when they're not true anymore (if they ever were)?

                                                                  [–]MiyegomboBayartsogt 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                                  You may be correct, but are you politically correct?

                                                                  [–]nogodplease 7 ポイント8 ポイント

                                                                  FIRE is actually a great organization.

                                                                  [–]pandasexual 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                                                                  Thanks for clarifying. I thought that because this conservative think-tank video said it was great, that it must be pure evil!

                                                                  [–]theanonymousthing 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                                                  This whole notion that rape is supported by mainstream male society is ridiculous, it is a sad testament to the times we live in that videos that have to explicitly state Men do not support rape/rape culture have to be made.

                                                                  [–]holddat 10 ポイント11 ポイント

                                                                  Here we go

                                                                  [–]bw2002 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                                                  Great contribution.

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                                                                    [–]BaconBlasting 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                                                                    I don't have a strong opinion either way as to whether or not rape culture exists on college campuses, but damn, they could have found someone who could read off the cue cards less robotically.

                                                                    [–]2fingers 8 ポイント9 ポイント

                                                                    Funny to see a video from a conservative think tank getting so popular on Reddit.

                                                                    [–]Cttam 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                                                                    Reddit actually has a pretty conservative userbase. The average posters views could be jokingly described as 'brogressive', but they also align with a lot of ideas in conservative libertarianism and even objectivism.

                                                                    [–]ChristoferRudd 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                                    Then why the hate towards Rand?

                                                                    [–]thejokerxx00 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                                    I'm neutral in the whole thing as i just basicly browse all

                                                                    What is a conservative think tank? and how come that makes them bad ?

                                                                    I see that term being used alot and google just takes me to the wiki for AEI which really doesn't help

                                                                    [–]2fingers 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                                                                    Not saying it is bad, just that it goes against the general liberal/libertarian grain here. A think tank is just a group that conducts research and advocates for issues. There are think tanks that advocate for issues all across the political spectrum. The group that produced this video is probably the most prominent conservative think tank. Basically they are just disseminating information to try to influence public policy. I think it's fair to say most redditors would disagree with most of what AEI is advocating. But not this apparently.

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                                                                      [–]crasspy 15 ポイント16 ポイント

                                                                      Hmmm. The AEI hasn't exactly got a stellar record for independent thought. So...you know...when you hear a 'researcher' from an academic institution with a record of bias arguing a controversial point...well, it comes across as propaganda.

                                                                      [–]nutbastard 38 ポイント39 ポイント

                                                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

                                                                      It's like saying that 2+2 doesn't equal 4 just because Hitler thinks it does.

                                                                      [–]autowikibot 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                                                      Association fallacy:

                                                                      An association fallacy is an inductive informal fallacy of the type hasty generalization or red herring which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as guilt by association and honor by association. Association fallacies are a special case of red herring, and can be based on an appeal to emotion. [citation needed]

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                                                                      Interesting: Ad hominem | Reductio ad Hitlerum | Fallacy

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                                                                      [–]patientlywaited 20 ポイント21 ポイント

                                                                      You're free to provide counterarguments to what she said, or evidence of a lack of stellar record.

                                                                      And I can't imagine what you're implying the propaganda is for. Less emphasis on "rape culture" doesn't benefit anyone specifically.

                                                                      [–]TheColorOfStupid 10 ポイント11 ポイント

                                                                      Is her reasoning or evidence wrong or inaccurate? Conservative groups are the only ones willing to point out the inaccuracy of these stats.

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                                                                        [–]satansheat 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                                                                        ha agreed. I made friends with one of our campus police officers. He told me one day enjoy college but don't go messing with drunk girls because if they say it was rape you are going to be fucked in the ass by the university. Get kicked out no money refunded and probably go to jail. he then started to tell me how often he has seen kids hook up in a drunken stupor to then have to arrest the kid for rape. So it is a big deal at universities. At least at mine it is. at my university if a girl said it was rape you are sort of shit out of luck. the university will not tolerate that and end you. (which they should if it was rape. rape is a serious crime.) but the cop that I knew told me most the kids they kicked out the evidence did not seem like a rape more just two students getting to drunk and fornicating. if you cant handle your liquor than don't drink sorry.

                                                                        [–]AlexanderBody 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                                                                        I don't understand this. Why would anyone be opposed to anti-rape campaigns? I could understand if they were lying about false rape accusations or something that was misandrist, but 'rape culture hysteria' just seems like a way to discourage any level of sexual assault. I mean, it's true that telling a girl that the way she dresses causes men to act a certain way is kind of unfair and sexist, right?

                                                                        [–]SCOldboy 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                                                                        Because most anti-rape campaigns say crazy things like "believe survivors, shame rapists" (this implies that there is no such thing as a false accusation, and all accused are guilty) and "Rape tip#1: Men don't rape women" (Imagine if in an anti-murder campaign I said "Murder Tip#1: Blacks don't kill people." It is incredibly prejudice and inflammatory.) They also lead to kangaroo courts on college campuses that ruin innocent men's lives.

                                                                        [–]ArtilleryCamel 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                                        Just one example: because many guys accused of rape on a college campus are expelled regardless of any evidence or outcomes. Alleged rapists are guilty until proven innocent and then maybe still guilty.

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                                                                          [–]Aspergent 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                                                                          That woman is going to get raped by feminists.

                                                                          [–]Sugarpiehoneybunch17 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                                                                          To sleep with your rapist again does not void the rape. It just shows how fucked up people can be.

                                                                          [–]pujus -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

                                                                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute#Controversies

                                                                          [–]Sajuuk_Unchained 28 ポイント29 ポイント

                                                                          I am failing to see the controversies listed in this article have anything to do with the current topic of the video.

                                                                          [–]auguststraw 14 ポイント15 ポイント

                                                                          I suppose pujus is just pointing out that AEI is a right-wing think tank that has made (or affiliates have made) unreliable statements in the past. Personally I think that this video operates with a false or misleading definition of rape culture, the term "rape culture" as it's commonly used is more correctly phrased as "rape-supportive culture", it does not imply that society outright condones rape, or that rape is a cultural norm (definition given by the woman in the video). It involves things such as victim blaming, trivilializing rape and sexual objectification.

                                                                          How this video frames a supposedly academic treatment of facts as a political tool against feminism, even getting close to alleging a conspiracy against "ordinary guys" by "hardcore feminists" "handpicked by Gloria Steinem", makes me uncomfortable.

                                                                          I don't think that all criticism of "Rape culture theory" is unwarranted though, that study by that "hc feminist" probably was trash.

                                                                          [–]TheColorOfStupid 6 ポイント7 ポイント

                                                                          Personally I think that this video operates with a false or misleading definition of rape culture, the term "rape culture" as it's commonly used is more correctly phrased as "rape-supportive culture"

                                                                          And how is American culture rape supportive?

                                                                          [–]Straddle13 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                                                                          When people rape one another we cheer them on, obviously! /s

                                                                          [–]auguststraw 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                                          victim blaming, trivilializing rape and sexual objectification.

                                                                          This is not my field, so I can't really link to anything, but I've seen long lists of incidents where Judges have essentially victim blamed, I remember one case where supposedly a 12 or 13 year old was "asking for it" by wearing suggestive clothing. This is more common than you'd think.

                                                                          Now you might say that these are just isolated lunatics, but a big part of social science is discovering relationships between things that are supposedly unrelated, that is culture and justice, there's a pervasiveness and consistency to victim blaming that makes it a social issue.

                                                                          Again, not a social scientist, not particularly interested in issues of rape, you're gonna have to look for data yourself, let me just tell you that "radical" feminists (or atleast some) are not as unreasonable as portrayed by popular culture or the right, which is telling in itself

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                                                                            [–]JinMT 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                                                            Relevant, the Amazing Atheist on Tumblr feminists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCnmeaoGMA ~4:00 Rape's context in current culture

                                                                            [–]LotusFlare 11 ポイント12 ポイント

                                                                            Generally, Amazing Atheist falls under the realm of "you're not wrong, you're just an asshole". He still tends to be hyperbolic for the sake of getting views though, so I generally avoid him in favor of someone who isn't outraged for a living.

                                                                            [–]KalpoKalo 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                                                                            TAA is a twat but he does bring up good points.

                                                                            He could really help himself by cleaning up and calming down during his videos.

                                                                            [–]shittyassfuckertits 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                                            this guy gets a bad rep but i feel like his videos against feminism are definitely great ones.

                                                                            [–]Banshu 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                                                                            Rape culture hysteria is a thing. This article and video Goes on and on about the "rape" the reporter even acts like they are already guilty. All this is based on one girls accusation and her story was so misleading and changed so often the charges had to be dropped. students even protest for the expulsion of the accused rapists, After the charges were dropped. Rape culture hysteria on campus is not just media hype, the students aren't protesting for expulsion because of the news. Admittedly this has been all over the local news stations for the past 2 weeks. However to me it sounds like the girl had a drunk four-way with some athletes and woke up ashamed so she decided to publicly shame them.

                                                                            [–]ADavies 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                                            I'll take "strawman argument" for $200.

                                                                            Let's spend our time arguing whether it's "1 in 5" or "1 in 40" instead of admitting there's a real problem.

                                                                            1 in 40 is huge. (And I think we all know better than to take any stat, especially one from the American Enterprise Institute) from a web video at face value.

                                                                            And it is worth looking at the actual definition of rape culture from Wikipedia to know what we're talking about:

                                                                            In feminism, rape culture is a concept that links rape and sexual violence to the culture of a society, and in which prevalent attitudes and practices normalize, excuse, tolerate, and even condone rape.

                                                                            Examples of behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual objectification, and trivializing rape.

                                                                            [–]zumpiez 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                                                                            It tickles me (and is also depressing), because arguing about 1:5 or 1:40 and insinuating that 1:40 isn't that bad is ironically an excellent example of rape culture.

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                                                                              [–]fatcharlie24 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                                                                              Why is a video attacking a strawman, put out by a Koch-funded 'think-tank' getting so many upvotes?

                                                                              [–]beleca -1 ポイント0 ポイント

                                                                              Its a shame that mainstream politics has been so thoroughly co-opted by rape culture believers that we actually have to turn to criminal neo-cons like AEI for any kind of dissident voices. To actually express sane beliefs regarding the non-existence of "rape culture", you have to be in a position to ignore the resultant throngs of "activists" and clicktivists who will surely direct their misguided outrage at you, online and in person, should you try to inject any sanity into the "discourse" (read: hysteria) on this subject.

                                                                              Mainstream centrists and lefties can't say this - even though the rational ones accept its truth - because their base consists of many people who have been indoctrinated throughout their lives, especially in college, to accept this stuff as fact. So we have to turn to the only people who don't have to worry about "feminist" rage, because they're gong to get it either way... the people who would never be on their good side to begin with; people like AEI. Which is a shame.

                                                                              Unfortunately now I have to say that I agree with AEI on "rape culture", even though I think some of their current and former GW Bush-era employees/leaders, who helped provide a pseudo-academic sheen to the Iraq War propaganda, have blood on their hands, might very well deserve to be jailed, and have very little credibility on many issues

                                                                              [–]neutlime -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

                                                                              It's called "Creating the dragon". A liar tells everyone there's a dragon that's going to destroy the village, but if you give them all of your money, they'll go and slay the dragon. Now in the usual version of this story, there's never a dragon and the liar just makes off with everyone's money and becomes a hero for solving a problem that never existed in the first place. The feminist version is slightly more sinister because they're actually trying to create an artificial dragon by shutting down any attempts to reduce the amount of rape that happens. Money's a hell of a drug.

                                                                              [–]TheSliceman 7 ポイント8 ポイント

                                                                              They are also creating other fake dragons by calling chickens and pigs and dogs dragons also.

                                                                              Then if you say that a chicken isnt a dragon, they say that you support a culture of dragons destroying villages.

                                                                              [–]dimechimes 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                                              Isn't that what all special interests do?

                                                                              [–]zumpiez 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                                              Also in this version, instead of being robbed, we have the distressing outcome of a society with less-shitty ideas about women.

                                                                              [–]dropinanocean 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                                              who is this 'mary cos' woman she was talking about?

                                                                              [–]VideoLinkBot 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                                              Here is a list of video links collected from comments that redditors have made in response to this submission:

                                                                              Source Comment Score Video Link
                                                                              AndyAndrophile 22 Obama Targets College Sexual Assault Epidemic
                                                                              TheSliceman 15 Dr Cox - Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong
                                                                              Noise_ 5 Obama Staged / Fake Fainting Episodes - Pregnant Woman- Not the First Time
                                                                              JinMT 5 Tumblr Feminists
                                                                              Owncksd 3 CNN grieves that guilty verdict ruined 'promising' lives of Steubenville rapists
                                                                              ddsnns 2 Indoctrinate U
                                                                              PHNS 1 The Implication
                                                                              fatcharlie24 1 The "1 in 4" rape statistics: Fact-checking the numbers
                                                                              killabontengo 1 Hannibal Buress: Animal Furnace Full Audio Part 2 of 5

                                                                              [–]needdavr[🍰] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                                              Why is she talking to the person behind me and to my left?

                                                                              [–]ajsayshello- 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                                              "how often have you heard that 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 women before the end of their college years?"

                                                                              am i the only one that's never heard that?

                                                                              [–]Frogtarius -1 ポイント0 ポイント

                                                                              Yeah pretty much the result of rewarding stupidity in secondary education and in tertiary you get the evolution of that stupidity.

                                                                              [–]plastikreal 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                                              Read the script... Horrible way to get a point across...

                                                                              [–]10010101 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                                                                              Boring! (I am not that bastard)

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