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[–]CarmenHarveySting 143 ポイント144 ポイント

People were begging for the Puffin to be gone from the subreddit! We had a Puffin-free week where there was an near-organized campaign by the subscribers to downvote every single post featuring it. People were thrilled over the fact that we were trying to go back to funny memes, instead of all this "DAE" bullshit or just using this subreddit to complain about things you dislike.

But now, just because the mods actually agreed with how people were feeling and took some action to improve this place, people immediately turn around and scream "Oppression! Oppression!"

Do you people actively want this place to be an unfunny shithole? I remember what /r/AdviceAnimals was like before the Puffin and Confession Bear, and it was for damned sure a more fun place to visit. Now it's just an outlet for "Here's a thing that sucks. Here's another thing that sucks. Here's something I hate. Here's something I disagree with. Here's something I think is bullshit." The posts were BAD.

No one liked the Puffin until it was banned.

The "defenders" are so god damned hollow. I don't even think they particularly care about the Puffin themselves, they're just taking advantage of the ban to do what they love doing best on AdviceAnimals nowadays: Piss and moan.

To everyone who says that they will unsubscribe from the subreddit because of this: Good. I hope you do. This will be a more positive place without you. After that, the rest of us can try to go back to creating comedy here like this place was intended for from the beginning.

[–]ThereIsBearCum -1 ポイント0 ポイント

It's because users downvoted the puffins into oblivion instead of having the choice made for us. The whole point of reddit is that it's self-moderating; if enough people like something more people will see it and if enough people don't like something, less people will see it. To outright ban a form of (on-topic) post goes completely against that.

No one liked the Puffin until it was banned.

No one likes it now. We just dislike heavy-handed mods even more.

[–]CarmenHarveySting 10 ポイント11 ポイント

So what you're saying is, you want it back despite the fact that you don't like it. Why? Because mods shouldn't be allowed to set rules in the subreddits they moderate, even when those rules actively change the subreddit for the better?

Self-moderation doesn't work. It never has, in any subreddit of any real size. Just take a look at places like /r/summerreddit, /r/shitpost, /r/no_sob_story, /r/forwardsfromgranda and all the others that serve to highlight all the terrible garbage that consistently gets voted to reddit's front page every single day. A photograph of a piece of dog shit? A fake quote by Stan Lee? A hateful message directed toward Justin Bieber? GET THAT SHIT ON MAH FRONT PAGE RIGHT NOW, IT'S GOLD JERRY!

In fact, going by how reddit at large feels about him, Justin Bieber is a prime example of the notion that just because something is popular, doesn't mean that it has inherent quality. Unpopular Opinion Puffin is the Justin Bieber of image macros.

/r/AdviceAnimals is a better subreddit without the Puffin. The decision to ban it has improved this place a hundredfold. I'm glad that the moderators stepped in and did something that needed to be done, and that the subscriber base hasn't been capable of doing themselves.

[–]ThereIsBearCum -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Because other people like it. This subreddit isn't just here for me. If I don't want to see a puffin meme, I don't click on a puffin meme, it's really simple.

A subreddit gets the content that the subreddit deserves. If the users upvote things that you don't like too frequently, unsubscribe. Start your own subreddit, with blackjack and hookers.

[–]CarmenHarveySting -1 ポイント0 ポイント

But that's just saying "If you don't like it, start your own subreddit where you make the rules."

So you agree that moderators should be free to decide what should or should not be featured in the subreddits they moderate then? That they should be allowed to make the rules? ...Or should they only be allowed to do that in subreddits that you are not subscribed to?

Every subreddit has rules, and every subreddit has moderation. You just don't see it happening, because in most cases the mods just remove things without saying a word or telling anyone about it. The fact that the AA mods actually told you about this rule change means that they've decided to be more transparent about how they work than practically all of the default mod teams do.

Still, the decision has been made. The Puffin is gone, and I'm glad for it. If you don't like it, you are free to unsubscribe and start your own subreddit where you can have as many Puffin posts as you like.

[–]socsa 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I dislike the "make your own sub" argument, because like most argument is favor of moderation, it ignores the organic nature of creative internet forums. Great, I have my own sub. Now I just need thousands of users to discover it for it to be interesting. It's not really the same, and is basically a straw man argument. This website and sub didn't get popular because the mods banned content. It got popular because it was organic, and it should stay that way.

[–]ThereIsBearCum -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

The moderators shouldn't get to decide shit. They're there to make sure the subreddit adheres to the rules, not make a judgement on quality.

Why would I unsubscribe? I enjoy most of the content on here.

[–]chipperpip 0 ポイント1 ポイント

They're there to make sure the subreddit adheres to the rules

This was a new rule. Ta-da!

[–]ThereIsBearCum 0 ポイント1 ポイント

By that logic you'd be fine with the moderators banning any type of meme just because they felt like it.

[–]chipperpip 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Yes, they were the only ones who didn't like it...

[–]ThereIsBearCum 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Where did I say anything about anyone liking the meme? And do you seriously think every meme that someone kicks up a fuss about should be banned?

[–]CarmenHarveySting 2 ポイント3 ポイント

They're there to make sure the subreddit adheres to the rules

What rules? Rules that appeared out of thin air one day? Rules that just magically exist but come from nowhere?

They are there to make sure the subreddit adheres to the rules that they decided on when they created the subreddit to be what they wanted it to be.

Who do you think created the /r/AdviceAnimals sidebar? How about this: "Hate speech, bigotry, and personal attacks are not allowed." Who do you think wrote that? The almighty meme-god in the sky?

[–]socsa 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Then just delete the racist memes. No reason to use a chainsaw when a scalpel will suffice.

[–]ThereIsBearCum -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Why is where the rules come from relevant? They were well established and everyone seemed happy with them, then the mods went against them with absolutely no justification.

[–]CarmenHarveySting 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Why is where the rules come from relevant?

Because you said:

The moderators shouldn't get to decide shit.

I am pointing out to you that the moderators were the ones who decided every single rule in this subreddit, and what kind of things were to be posted here in the first place. Are you saying that a moderator should not be allowed to change a rule, once it has been instated?

When /r/AskReddit changed their rules to no longer allow a poster to answer their own question in their post, the subreddit increased in quality by a lot (because now people could no longer post "questions" that were really just a way of saying "here is something that happened to me, has that happened to you as well"). People complained about that one as well, until they saw that, oh, what do you know, the change was actually for the good of the subreddit.

And also:

everyone seemed happy with them

Is that why people started a week-long campaign to downvote every single Puffin they could see? Is that why /r/AdviceAnimals were taken off the default set? People weren't happy with the state of the subreddit.

The mods had every justification for banning it. People wanted it gone, and they were well within their rights to enforce quality control in their own subreddit. Frankly, I think they should do it more often, and get rid of even more of the garbage.

[–]ThereIsBearCum 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Really, these exact moderators decided the rules of this subreddit?

If they downvoted the puffin, where was the problem? Why was there a need to ban it?

[–]magic_is_might -1 ポイント0 ポイント

The moderators shouldn't get to decide shit. They're there to make sure the subreddit adheres to the rules, not make a judgement on quality.

Actually, their mods. That's... that's their job. Its hilarious you don't know the point of moderation. They are enforcing the sub rules.

[–]ThereIsBearCum 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Their mods what?

They aren't enforcing the sub rules, they changed the sub rules.

[–]Legend_inyourownmind 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I want to run a subreddit about Ford Mustangs. I love Ford Mustangs! I think it would be awesome to leach some of the notoriety of the American Classic Ford Mustang by being the moderator of a very popular subreddit dedicated to the Ford Mustang. Yet my subreddit, /r/fakeredditaboutfordmustangs, is too narrow in scope and therefore gains little traction. I'm a big fish in a very, very small pond, that's not what I'm looking for at all.

I decided to cast a larger net, /r/fakeredditaboutallfordcars. It went, OK. That is to say, there's definitely more people for me to feel like the boss of, but not nearly as many as I want. I just don't feel the power, I need to widen the scope further.

I start /r/fakeredditaboutcars. Now the people come pouring in, the population just explodes! There's car memes, there's pictures of sports cars, there's pictures of hot girls leaning on sports cars... I'm finally the powerful mod I always dreamed of, almost.

I've always dreamed of being a really powerful moderator of a reddit dedicated to the Ford Mustang. I want to keep all these people, but I only want them to talk about Ford Mustangs. Looks like it's time to start banning things! Eventually, everyone here will be forced to talk about what I want them to talk about, right?

[–]CarmenHarveySting -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Yeah, the mods really were just lucky to get such a surefire hit name as "AdviceAnimals". You literally can't fail with a name like that, people are going to come flocking in droves by themselves. I mean, it's as wide as having a subreddit name like /r/technology, or /r/news, or /r/atheism. You don't even have to advertise it when you have a name like "AdviceAnimals". A sub like /r/memes couldn't even dream of competing with "AdviceAnimals".

Clearly they chose that name to have an easy path to stardom and power, and didn't have to do shit themselves to lift it off the ground, amirite?

[–]ThereIsBearCum 1 ポイント2 ポイント

http://i.imgur.com/9912ppo.gif

[–]magic_is_might -1 ポイント0 ポイント

If the users upvote things that you don't like too frequently, unsubscribe. Start your own subreddit, with blackjack and hookers.

If the mods decide to enforce their own rules in their own subreddit and you don't like it, unsubscribe. Start your own subreddit, with blackjack and hookers.

At first I thought you were joking because the same sentiment can apply to you. Nope, the parallel was lost on you.

[–]ThereIsBearCum 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Why would I unsubscribe? I like this sub, in spite of the mods.

Lol @ you admitting the mods are making their own rules and thinking that's fine.

[–]magic_is_might -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

Mod makes one decision = "heavy handed"

Makes sense.

Also read the Reddit FAQ. There is a nice section on why moderation is necessary. Reddit is not "self-moderating" or there wouldn't be mods to begin with. I enjoy seeing people pull these assumptions about how the site supposedly works out of nowhere and pretend it's fact.

[–]ThereIsBearCum -1 ポイント0 ポイント

You completely and utterly understand what moderation actually is.