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[–]ShmeeShmee 162 ポイント163 ポイント

Any Christians here? I'm just wondering if constantly showing the hypocrisy and logical fallacies in religion actually affects anybody here... Or we just constantly recycle the same material to ourselves in a perpetual atheist act of masturbation

[–]duncakes 91 ポイント92 ポイント

I read front page atheism stories, but it doesn't change my belief in God.

[–]wallace321 28 ポイント29 ポイント

There's a lot of rib poking in good humor fun that goes on here, admit it we all like to make fun of the crazies, but do you feel anything when direct, in context quotes, like this are presented for scrutiny? Does it not change your "belief" that he exists or that he just isn't the supercool nice dude with a great sense of humor that invented the duck-billed platypus?

[–]duncakes 85 ポイント86 ポイント

Im a little different, I think jesus christ died for my sins, that he is the son of god, I also believe that the bible was written by man, and man is a motherfuckin liar. Man does whats best for man, god does whats best for all.

[–]Agnostic Atheistcdbfoster 71 ポイント72 ポイント

So how do you determine which parts of the bible were divinely inspired and which parts were just lies written by men?

[–]duncakes 123 ポイント124 ポイント

Its not determining what is true and false........ im 35, and the bible has been revised so I can read it, I cant read hebrew aramaic or greek so I couldnt read the original version. For all the other questions, you cant reason with faith. Its not a reasonable act to blindly give 100% trust to something you cant completely explain. Its like love, you cant explain it, it just happens, thats how my faith in christ is. Its not a bad thing, I dont hate anyone for believing different, I dont care if you are gay, I dont care if you are atheist, 2 things that are the most important in the bible are....... there is only one god, and love your brothers and sisters. I would never tell someone they are going to hell for not believing in god, I hated when people told me that. Im a former atheist. Have a nice day everyone that is about to bash me, I say that because thats what happens here.

[–]AtheistIcyDefiance 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Its not determining what is true and false........ im 35, and the bible has been revised so I can read it, I cant read hebrew aramaic or greek so I couldnt read the original version.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the question.

For all the other questions, you cant reason with faith. Its not a reasonable act to blindly give 100% trust to something you cant completely explain. Its like love, you cant explain it, it just happens, thats how my faith in christ is.

In other words you're well aware that you're being completely irrational, but you like it for some reason, so you're going to keep being irrational. You sound willingly and intentionally insane to me.

2 things that are the most important in the bible are....... there is only one god, and love your brothers and sisters.

That's complete bullshit. Those are most definitely not the most important things in the bible by any possible measure. The entire bible, from beginning to end, is about how humans are terrible and deserve to die so god died instead so we didn't have to, even though people who don't believe in him will still go to hell because god needs the ego boost from people worshiping him.

Also, didn't you just say you don't think the bible is reliable? You can't say it's reliable and it's not reliable at the same time.

I would never tell someone they are going to hell for not believing in god, I hated when people told me that.

But this bible, which is the only reason on the entire planet to believe in the christian god, says exactly that all over the place.

Have a nice day everyone that is about to bash me, I say that because thats what happens here.

Yeah, because you have absolutely no concept of logic or rational thought and, worse than not caring about it, you defend this lack of logic like it's a good thing. "It's like love!" Yeah right.

[–]ratatatar 4 ポイント5 ポイント

This guy guessed that someone would disagree with him, which means he's immune from anyone disagreeing with him and has no obligation to think about your argument or respond.

That's the attitude of progress.

[–]vindude -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

You are one of those atheists that give us a bad name. Discussion stops when someone like you needs to feel powerful by blatantly calling out logical inadequacies in an individual's personal beliefs. I shake my head at you. I understand the atheistic rage, but use it constructively next time instead of scaring away dissenting views. It would be nice for us to actually have a nice discussion with other views using logic points instead of blatantly telling someone they are "bullshit" or that they "have no concept of logic or rational thought".

[–]AtheistIcyDefiance 3 ポイント4 ポイント

What am I supposed to do? Say that conclusions based on absolutely nothing at all is perfectly acceptable, just as valid, and just as true as coming to a conclusion based on evidence and rational thought? That's what all the upvoted people here are doing.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize there was a better way to object to being batshit insane than by, you know, objecting to it.

And before you say it doesn't make a difference in the scheme of things; http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/26aiy3/shut_your_pretty_mouths/chpcgez

[–]vindude -1 ポイント0 ポイント

That's your critical problem. You generalize the claim of someone with faith as being batshit insane or having no concept of what logic is. Faith and logic are two separate entities. Indoctrination into a faith holds more merit to a believer than some random redditor attacking them about their fallacy of logic. You will get no reply from people that think differently than you if you can not refrain from dishing out low-blows and crass comments. But no, you feel as if you have some "divine" duty to point out flaws in everything someone says, bit by bit. Good luck getting some type of platform where people respect you...

[–]canadian-tree-girl -1 ポイント0 ポイント

2 things that are the most important in the bible are....... there is only one god, and love your brothers and sisters.

That's complete bullshit. Those are most definitely not the most important things in the bible by any possible measure.

Just because I don't want you to be uninformed, this is a commonly-held belief amongst Christians taken from Matthew 22:36-40.

On a semi-unrelated personal note, the idea of loving your neighbour is the one part of Christianity that I've held on to. It's become my basis for morals, and I quite like it.

[–]AtheistIcyDefiance 4 ポイント5 ポイント

It's not part of christianity. It's the natural thing that most humans do because we're social creatures and need the support of other humans.

[–]canadian-tree-girl 0 ポイント1 ポイント

It still forms a core belief of Christianity, though. Mankind also -- without aid of the bible -- know that cheating on spouses and murder are bad things. But just because society/nurturing/compassion/whatever may have developed this in people doesn't mean it is not a part of Christianity.

[–]dtietze 2 ポイント3 ポイント

It's an evolutionary advantage that humans aren't (in general) assholes towards other humans. It's what allowed our species to advance, to develop complex social structures, to work together, to make inventions. And it's what prevented us from killing each other off.

The inclusion of this in the new testament does not make it an achievement of christianity. No more so than if we had Mark 72:29 "And Jesus spoke unto them - Breathing, guys. You should breathe. It's quite a cool thing. Oh, and drinking is quite nice as well. All in moderation, though."

As many, many scholars have pointed out, it is very much possible to be a moral and empathic human being without being a christian (or following any other faith).

[–]canadian-tree-girl 0 ポイント1 ポイント

This is all true. But it is still a tenet of Christianity. The fact that it exists outside of that faith doesn't remove it's existence from that faith.

[–]KimBongIl -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

honestly fuck off. let a man believe if he wants. faith can be a source of strength and hope. i personally dont believe, but i wont criticize those who do. unless hes shoving his belief down your throat, you should continue to focus on bettering yourself

[–]AtheistIcyDefiance 4 ポイント5 ポイント

honestly fuck off. let a man believe if he wants.

I would if that belief didn't translate to real life decisions that hurt other people. Wrong beliefs mean wrong actions.

faith can be a source of strength and hope.

So can a teddy bear and blankie, but if you saw someone still holding them at 30 years old you'd think he was mentally ill.

i personally dont believe, but i wont criticize those who do.

Religion, greed, and problems with food distribution are currently the biggest inhibitions to the progress of the entire human race, so I cannot be that passive with a good conscience.

unless hes shoving his belief down your throat, you should continue to focus on bettering yourself

If I wasn't stuck depending on religious parents I'd be able to do that a lot better.

[–]Agnostic AtheistDuffman1701 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I'm sorry you're struggling with your parents, but I don't think either of your parents are likely to be OP. You shouldn't transfer your troubles with them on to other people, he's not responsible. I know that he was baiting all of us with his "bashing" comment, but you rose to the bait, and thus validated his animosity towards us.

I wish you luck in gaining your independence, and I hope that you enjoy the freedom that comes with it in being able to become the person that you want to be.

[–]KimBongIl -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

your superior atheist logic is clearly quite flawed. maybe once you graduate high school you'll stop sounding so fucking pessimistic and angsty

[–]duncakes -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

I will feed you baby bird. Since you believe nothing in the bible, of course the 2 most important things wouldn't make sense to you. I assume you are not in a relationship due to your hostility and overall disrespectful ways.......... have you ever been in love? You can't explain why it happens, it just does. There has been things about a girl I loved but didn't love her....... do you get that? I love God and everything he has given me.