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Puig's unbelievable catch (m.mlb.com)
submitted 5 時間 前 by New York MetsSenor_Met
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[–]New York Metsduyogurt -22 ポイント-21 ポイント-20 ポイント 4 時間 前*
This is directed to the vast amounts of Puig defenders that tear me apart when I criticize him on this subreddit. Puig has some of the most natural talent I've ever seen on a baseball field and very well may be one of the best all around baseball players of his time. He does so much right, and makes some of the most bonehead decisions I've ever seen in my 30 some-odd years watching baseball. He doesn't hustle back to first base after feinting toward second on an overthrow and gets tagged out. He forgets how many outs there are in an inning. He holds up fences instead of practicing fly balls with veterans. He tries to catch fly balls basket catch style and drops them. He puts on a show with those stupid bat flips and even pimps long fly balls that end up getting caught short of the warning track. He is pouty at the plate with his hands on hips when he disagrees with a call and mouths off to umps. And now I sit here and watch Puig try to advance on an infield fly. The guy doesn't know the rules, and ran his team out of an inning. I have had success teaching this rule to kids, and the player that fans tout as the best in the league doesn't know the damn rules. Someone needs to whip this kid into shape fast. He is doing himself absolutely no favors out there. None.
EDIT: and now he runs on a line drive to left and gets picked off of 2nd instead of going halfway. There's no excuse for this at the major league level. I have never seen such a talented player do so much wrong.
[–]Los Angeles DodgersBawfuls 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 3 時間 前*
Not going to downvote you, just pick this stupid screed apart.
He doesn't hustle back to first base after feinting toward second on an overthrow and gets tagged out.
That play was bullshit and the majority of people that watched the replay agreed. He didn't feint toward second at all, he got jobbed.
He forgets how many outs there are in an inning.
Oh no, he forgot that he had made the 3rd out in the inning and made a good throw to 3B thinking there was another out left. That sure was a blunder that cost his team dearly!
He holds up fences instead of practicing fly balls with veterans.
I don't even know what incident this is referring to, but it sounds like something really stupid to get mad about.
He tries to catch fly balls basket catch style and drops them.
Yeah, that was a dumb mistake.
He puts on a show with those stupid bat flips and even pimps long fly balls that end up getting caught short of the warning track.
I unironically love his bat flips, even on the long fly balls and the triple in the post-season last year. If you don't, that's you're problem cause they're awesome. Baseball needs more flair and self-expression from the players, not less. We don't give a shit when football players do touchdown dances, so why should we get angry when baseball players flip their bat after mashing a dinger? Dingers are awesome.
He is pouty at the plate with his hands on hips when he disagrees with a call and mouths off to umps.
So, so, soooooo many players do similarly demonstrative things when they disagree with a strike call. This is plenty typical, why should we care?
And now I sit here and watch Puig try to advance on an infield fly. The guy doesn't know the rules, and ran his team out of an inning.
I highly doubt he's unaware of the infield fly rule. Much more likely, he didn't see that it was called because it was called pretty late. He fucked up by not staying on the bag just in case because it was a confusing play.
But all of these things are outweighed by the fact that he's hitting the cover off the ball this year and making huge plays in the field like the one that spawned this thread. He's still an incredibly valuable player, and obviously super fun to watch. You sound like a grumpy old curmudgeon when you complain about these kinds of things, and that's why people downvote you.
edit: As I was typing this he bat-flipped a deep fly ball double to center field. Fuck yes!
[–]New York MetsSenor_Met[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 3 時間 前
Upvote just for the edit
[–]New York Metsduyogurt -13 ポイント-12 ポイント-11 ポイント 3 時間 前
One by one:
He most certainly feinted toward send base on that overthrow and there was no argument from the team or after the game. And it doesn't matter anyway. You never leave that call in the hands of the umpire. Just hustle back to 1st and the play never happens. He walked back to first with his hands on his hips. Never ever, under any circumstance, leave that call in someone else's hands.
He has forgotten how many outs there are multiple times, and they prove something other than being potentially costly, even when it is the 3rd out. It proves he's not paying attention and doesn't have his head in the game. He will, one day, cost the team a run or a game by not knowing how many outs there are.
During spring training, he managed to anger just about the entire coaching staff by not participating in fly ball practice. While veterans like Gonzalez, Kemp and Ramirez were going over fundamentals, he was leaning against a fence refusing to practice with a I'm too good for this look on his face with media watching. Mattingly had to sit him down, and rightfully so.
The bat flips are a form of taunting, and few players enjoy this bullshit. It may look harmless, but he's not making any friends on other teams by doing it, especially pitchers he shows up. He may be teammates with them one day. Is it too much to ask that one act professionally? Mickey Mantle hit 535 home runs and they say he ran them all out with his head down. You may enjoy the bat flips, but I don't like people that make spectacles of themselves. Speak quietly and carry a big stick.
I could care less if other players at pouty and show up umps. I don't like any of it from anyone. Disagree, but do it respectfully. The world is watching, and you're a kid.
Puig did not know the rules on the infield fly. He ran when it dropped. He knew it was an infield fly. The pop up was 10 feet behind the grass with the 2nd baseman camped under it. There is absolutely and positively no excuse for not knowing this rule, even at the high school or lower level. He ran when it dropped and ran his team out of a potentially big inning.
Yes, he bat flipped a fucking double. And I saw him bat flip a ball that was caught. It's childish. Drop the bat and run.
And as I write this, he ran to third on a line drive to left. He has no business running on this play. Half way and react so you are not doubled off; that's routine fundamentals that are instructed all the way down to little league and reiterated at all levels of professional ball. And what did he do? Get doubled off and ran his team out of an inning for being a dumbass the 2nd time tonight. There's no excuse for that play either. None.
[–]Los Angeles DodgersBawfuls 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 3 時間 前*
I will never understand this criticism. Does it also bother you when a pitcher fist-pumps and yells after getting a big strikeout? Or when a closer does some stupid signature move after getting the last out of the game? What is it about bat flips that makes them so offensive?
Also, the bolded sentence is just too much "back in the good old days" for me. I mean seriously, you're citing Mickey Mantle as a classy guy?
I consider the following my outstanding experience at Yankee Stadium: — I got a blow-job under the right field Bleachers, by the Yankee Bull pen. This event occurred on or about: (Give as much detail as you can) — It was about the third or fourth inning. I had a pulled groin and couldn't fuck at the time. She was a very nice girl and asked me what to do with the cum after I came in her mouth. I said don't ask me, I'm no cock-sucker. Signed: Mickey Mantle, The All-American Boy
But I guess he didn't trot slowly after home runs or flip his bat so he's better than that cuban kid at least!
edit: Lighten up old man, baseball is a game, it's supposed to be fun!
[–]New York Metsduyogurt -7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 3 時間 前
Oh my. What's with the bold. I know how to read.
To answer your question; yes, it bothers me with the incessant celebration by hitters and pitchers alike. I enjoyed watching Mariano Rivera pitch. He shook the catcher's hand and high fived his defense. Class act and did not show anyone up. I will never understand why teams and players feel the need to celebrate like they won the world fucking series when in reality they only had a walk off win during a day game in April.
I cited Mickey Mantle as a classy player. I said nothing of his off the field demeanor. I don't know what point you are trying to make here. If it means anything to you, I idolized players like Paul Molitor and Robin Yount when I was young. I loved Gary Carter. Stan Musiel was a genuine human being both on and off the field. They played with passion without making spectacles of themselves.
[–]New York Metsduyogurt -9 ポイント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント 2 時間 前
Did you call me an old man? I'm 34. That's just disrespectful. Simply because I know baseball history says nothing of age. Rather, I'm a student of the game.
[–]Los Angeles DodgersBawfuls 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 2 時間 前
I'm 29, I know plenty of history, and you sound like a grumpy 60-something who's still a little peeved at all these Spanish speaking kids playing today with their bat flips and unbuttoned jerseys.
Wow, that's pretty racist. I'm not discussing this further with you.
[–]Los Angeles Dodgersieandrew91 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前
You still sound like a old little man. Live a little. Plus when you reach the big leagues then you can tell them how to play. All of your "statements" sound like a hater and his 1920s version of baseball. If i was poor and trying to get out of a shitty country after 20+ years and then suddenly hit it big and played the sport i love, in this free and great country, i would be twice as bad a puig is. Who the fuck do you think you are telling someone how to live and play? There are no rules on it so hey how about this, if the pitcher has a problem then he can say it to puig in person ...... Signed your typical Mexican dodger fan
[–]Los Angeles DodgersBawfuls 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 3 時間 前
"What a play, and I can't blame Puig here, for getting doubled up" -Keith Hernandez, on the Mets broadcast after watching that play.
[–]New York Metsduyogurt -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 3 時間 前
I fully disagree with Hernandez on that play. Great catch or not, he's got to be half way to keep the inning alive. They behind in the game and the inning cannot end on the base paths. That Dodger lineup is too stacked to run yourself out of an inning. Too many guys could tie that game up with one swing.
[–]Toronto Blue Jayskbsputnik 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前
TLDR.
[–]Los Angeles Dodgersmthrfkn 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 3 時間 前
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/quarterly-report-yasiel-puig-is-really-good/
[–]New York Metsduyogurt -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 3 時間 前
If you could point out where exactly I said Puig isn't good, I would be appreciative.
[–]Los Angeles Dodgersmthrfkn 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 3 時間 前
In response to your final sentences.
[–]New York Metsduyogurt -6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 3 時間 前
the part where I didn't say anything about him being good or bad? I don't know what you are talking about.
You make assertions in your final statements, I provided the data as a rebuttal. The pouty shit is a part of the game and it always has been. Dodgers fans are well aware of Puig's issues as a base runner, you're not saying anything we don't know but you're annoying. Furthermore it's just not relevant to this catch (which was amazing.) You're more than welcome in the sub but don't expect much sympathy.
[–]New York Metsduyogurt -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 3 時間 前
I am not looking for sympathy. Why would I be looking for sympathy? I am stating the obvious because few want to admit it and speak about how bad it really is. He gets cover because of the great plays he makes and how he consistently hits. An average player is sent down for this and told to focus on the basics before expecting to be called back up.
Yeah buddy but Puig isn't average, and you're just being a prick. The Dodgers will take the risk because he's so great elsewhere. Welcome to the real world.!
[–]New York Metsduyogurt -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 3 時間 前*
I don't know what point you are making. I already said he's great. He just dumb shit almost daily, which drives coaching staffs and fan that enjoy crisp baseball batty. Just head scratching poor decision making by someone that is a professional and supposedly one of the best in the world. This is like a world class engineer designing the fastest super car in the world that drives like a dream, gets great gas milage but forgets to tighten the lug nuts and put the gas cap on after filling up. It's embarrassing.
[–]Los Angeles Dodgersmthrfkn 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3 時間 前
You use the word "Supposedly" and yet you still don't understand why people object to your statements? My god.
[–]Cincinnati RedsJV19 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 3 時間 前
Not really sure why you're getting downvoted, you're absolutely right. He is an amazing player, but makes a ton of stupid mistakes and is incredibly arrogant.
[–]New York Metsduyogurt -13 ポイント-12 ポイント-11 ポイント 3 時間 前*
I am being down voted because I am not a fanboy. And I don't give a shit about imaginary internet points. Fuck em. Let them get boners for a player that routinely shoves his own head up is ass daily. I frankly love watching hugely talented people do stupid shit on a national stage.
You know what's hilarious? My post is down voted. You state I should not be down voted, and you get up voted. What fucking sense does that make?
[–]Los Angeles DodgersBawfuls 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 3 時間 前
You are being downvoted because you are nitpicking his most trivial mistakes in an unrelated thread specifically about an amazing catch he made.
[–]New York MetsSenor_Met[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 3 時間 前
I completely disagree with him, but let's be real, he's being downvoted because people on this sub abuse the downvote arrow over things they disagree with.
[–]Los Angeles Dodgersieandrew91 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前
Uh ok so wtf is the downvote button for? If i disagree with someone, i down vote it. It doesn't mean i want him to die. Its only fake points.
You mean a bunch of kids want to hide what they don't want to hear or read? Shocking dude. Shocking. It's worse than the politics tab.
[–]Los Angeles Dodgersnayrrrrr 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前*
I tend to not want to hear or read bullshit from someone who only educates themselves on a matter to the extent that they can prop up a player neatly within their narrative, built with the sole purpose of supporting some pseudo-intellectual agenda that has very little to do with said player.
You have a problem with players celebrating their achievements in the face of their competition? Then by all means you are free to have that opinion. But to make Puig the poster child for that is beyond absurd considering those acts have been happening in baseball for quite some time and there are hundreds of examples of it weekly. More bats are flipped on home runs these days than not. There are pitchers on nearly every team that pump their fists or dance off the mound after they get out of big jams. Sammy Sosa, among others, used to shuffle step out of the batters box after nearly every hard hit ball. Even the universal act of storming the field after a walk off hit is worthy of mention. And if you want to get into the arbitrary argument of semantics over what constitutes celebrating a team achievement or an individual one, when anything good for an individual is good for the team, then have at it.
There's a reason that the notion that your entire argument was based on thinly veiled racism was oh so subtly pointed out. You talk about these kids without any regard for where they came from and the disadvantages they dealt with to get here. You say he doesn't adequately know the rules of the game. Well big fucking surprise there. The rules and customs of the game that most of us have been learning since we were in little league these guys are trying to learn on the fly, all while trying to perform sufficient so as not to lose what they consider to be their one shot at a life for them and their families. You think just because you have heard these things before they just go away or somehow become less true in the span of less than a year?
The only reason you are even talking about Puig right now is because the other players that make these same gaffes aren't even worthy of your attention because they are very rarely noteworthy in any particularly extraordinary way. You think Michael Cuddyer, or Michael Morse, or Mark Trumbo, or Jason Kipnis, or David Freese, or about a hundred other players only limitations on the field is a lack of athleticism or physical abilities? That there isn't poor decision making on a daily basis? And most of these players and others don't provide half the value that Puig provides in the other areas of their games. I wonder why they aren't the poster boys for all that is wrong with the game today. I'm sure the color of their skin has nothing to do with it.
You want to criticize Puig ad nauseam? Then be my fucking guest. But at least properly put things in context and paint an updated image of what you are talking about. For all I know you have watched every single second of Puig's on-field activities since he has been brought up, but from the way you talk about him I can only conclude that that is bullshit. The strides he has made in hitting his cutoff men, not trying to stretch singles into doubles every single damn time, and his reads on the ball in the outfield, all the in the span of less than a year, is nothing short of astounding. But the the biggest difference is the plate discipline that he has drastically, and consistently, been improving from game to game for the last year. A skill that most players never improve on in their lifetime, he has managed to turn a weakness, and his probable downfall, into a strength.
I don't downvote because I disagree with you, I downvote because people like you follow and stalk any possible positive thread about him and go on some unoriginal and outdated rant that is completely irrelevant to what the topics were about, all while framing anything said that is positive about him as a circlejerk. If you want to tear the guy down then make your own god damn thread, I'm sure you will have plenty of visitors. Otherwise, have any opinion you damn well please, but get your fucking facts straight.
It is not nitpicking when it happens almost nightly, and was involved with three stupid plays tonight.
[–]Los Angeles DodgersBawfuls 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 3 時間 前
Do you watch him every day?
I don't think you do (and I wouldn't expect you to), because it doesn't happen almost nightly.
But you hear about it every time it happens, because it's big news when Puig makes a mistake now, as it contributes to the narrative and whips people into frenzied arguments like these.
If the blunders were frequent enough to make a big difference, then Dodger fans would be angry about it. But they aren't angry because most of the time he doesn't make these mistakes, and he is one of the best players in the game. No one is more familiar with Puig's growing pains than Dodger fans, but we still love him cause he's fucking awesome.
[–]New York Metsduyogurt -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 2 時間 前
Living on the east coast, I don't get LA games nightly. I do, however, watch MLB Network nightly, so I do see all of his highlights. This guy, with all of his talent, is involved with more bonehead nonsense than any other player in the league despite his talents. It happens at an embarrassingly often rate. He was involved with 4 stupid plays in 3 days in this series. It's really hard to defend that.
[–]Los Angeles Dodgerstoke4toke 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前
don't get LA games nightly. I do, however, watch MLB Network nightly, so I do see all of his highlights
I was taking you seriously until this.
[–]New York Metsduyogurt -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 2 時間 前
Excuse me, how is that not a serious statement? I follow the game via TV nightly among other outlets. How do you follow out of network teams? Likely TV and internet, like everyone else.
[–]Los Angeles Dodgersilovemesomeme 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 3 時間 前
Although you do bring up some valid criticisms these things don't "happen almost nightly." I watch this team everyday. Yes you're right he does some of the things you brought up. Not on a nightly basis, not even close. Once every now and then, and they tend to be highlighted by the national media just like they highlight the amazing plays he makes.
Your argument loses validity when you claim that these things happen on a nightly basis.
[–]New York Metsduyogurt -6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 2 時間 前
He did two outstandingly dumb things tonight and overran a ball that was not moving on the ground that cost the team a run. The other day he forgot how many outs there were. Last night, I don't think he did anything stupid. By my count, he's done 4 bonehead things in 3 days. And of course I speak in jest when I use the word nightly. However, the things he does wrong are so incredibly stupid that deserve national attention. Tonight he didn't know the rules of an infield fly. He doesn't know to run back to first base after feinting to 2nd base on an overthrow. He forgets how many outs there are and yadda yadda yadda, you know it all. These things so rarely happen at the major league level during the season, and yet Puig has done it all already. I think he deserves much more criticism that he currently receives. A lesser player would be waived or sent down because of these things. It is not too much to ask for a talented professional to pull his head out of his ass.
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