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[–]tcoonlagoon 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I'm pro-vaccine but this is wrong and clearly just an attempt at upvotes. A parent 100% has the right to choose to vaccinate their child or not. It's not child abuse. It's people like you who ruin our chance at any sort of valid counter-argument..

[–]palindrome_emordnila 2 ポイント3 ポイント

It's people like you who enable people to feel fine about not vaccinating their kids. Which directly leads to other kids deaths.

http://www.mercurynews.com/health/ci_25777948/whooping-cough-rise-california

Children fucking die because people like you don't want to offend anyone "oh everyone has the right to make their own decisions even when it leads to dead children. That's fine." What the hell? "A 100% right" what does that even mean? Obviously it's legal, the post is asserting that it probably shouldn't be. Vaccination should probably be required in every case without an obvious medical exemption. By law.

[–]tcoonlagoon 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Can you not fucking read? Before you harass me and go off on your raged tangent, realize that the point I was making was that it's not child abuse. Fucking over-opinionated psycho.

[–]Reallybruh 0 ポイント1 ポイント

You're the first person I've seen not to just shill out and be like blah lag blah vaccines you have to vaccinate blah blah blah risking others. This gahd damn vaccine movement is the largest load of bullshit. I swear there are more paid shills on reddit tha any other forum site like this. Why are vaccines all of a sudden a super huge deal. Let people do what they want like you said. All of reddit thinks they know everything cause they read the reddit. There are so many studies out that prove and disprove vaccines as safe. No one really knows what long term effects any of the crap we do now adays. Thank you for not just being another shill saying I hope your children die because you didn't get them vaccinated.

[–]Bacon666 8 ポイント9 ポイント

The long-term effects of vaccines are that you don't get polio, smallpox, rubella, etc. The long-term effects of not getting vaccinated are that you may get a totally preventable disease and die or become disabled.

[–]palindrome_emordnila -1 ポイント0 ポイント

No the long term effects are that MY kid might die because you didn't vaccinate your kid. Let's not get confused about how herd immunity works. In no way should this issue be confused with one that only involves these children and their parents. That's simply not remotely the case.

[–]Reallybruh -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

Yarp

[–]NessaBlue 1 ポイント2 ポイント

The fuck is a Shill?

[–]snowman334 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Anyone who posts advocating for something this guy disagrees with. In short, he is a fuck tard.

[–]Reallybruh 0 ポイント1 ポイント

No breh. I don't actually disagree with this. I do believe vaccination is a good thing. I just feel like there are alot of shills on reddit. Because it makes sense. I mean the US DOD pays for service men to sit on computers and shill.

[–]Reallybruh 1 ポイント2 ポイント

A shill is a troll that get paid to type and post certain opinions on things. Many large companies pay people to post shit on places like reddit. A good example is after the chic-fil-a did the whole no homo thing they paid people to create Facebook accounts and try to counter all the hate they were receiving

[–]Fredmonton -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Eat shit. We DO know the fucking long term effects of almost all the vaccines used today, and they are safe. It's armchair scientists like you that give the illusion of "debate".

There is no fucking debate. Common vaccines have been proven to be safe over and over again. Society shouldn't have to be scared of losing herd immunity because you think you can Google some bullshit and interpret data better than a scientist or doctor. Some of them work their entire fucking lives to prove these things, which is a lot more thorough than some keyboard warrior armed with a search engine and a need to argue. But hey, if you have any scientific papers proving that any vaccine is unsafe, I'd love to browse it.

Please spare me the link to some ridiculous holistic medicine site with 40 ads that you probably grabbed off someones Facebook feed. If all you have are those, just save me the time and send me a picture of Jenny McCarthy's tits. At least I'll get a wank out of it. (After all, isn't that what circle jerks are for?)

Edit - Not saying I would classify it as child abuse, but if you're a parent and deciding to not vaccinate your child because you think you're smarter than countless doctors and scientists then your ego really needs to be checked. To risk your child getting incredibly sick because of your negligence and misunderstanding is beyond unreal, and I must say I'd have much less sympathy for them if they had to go through something terrible like the loss of their child.

[–]tcoonlagoon 3 ポイント4 ポイント

This post was about whether or not it is considered child abuse. Thank you for posting an edit because I'm sure you realized what a tangent you just went off on.

[–]Ouranophobia 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I gave up reading when you said "There is no fucking debate."
by saying that you've discounted any thing you could possibly say afterwards.

any subject can be debated, there's billions of different views in the world and who's to say what's right and what's wrong?

[–]snowman334 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Haha beautiful!

[–]lilyaqha 0 ポイント1 ポイント

The world was so much better before Facebook turned a bunch of know-nothing mothers into Microbiologists and Scientific analysts. LE SIGH.

[–]Reallybruh -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

Breh. Be more of a F4gg3t

[–]pappy97 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Refusing to vaccinate a child because you are anti-vax is forcing a life-threatening belief on an innocent child. That's just flat out wrong.

The wrongness is seen in the extreme example of forcing a life-threatening belief on an innocent child (because many times extremes drive the point home): parents who refuse to let their kid get the necessary medical treatment they need because they believe in the power of prayer. Again, it's flat out wrong. In some places they want to charge parents with murder/manslaughter for not letting sick kids get medical treatment in favor of prayer.

I would venture to guess that most anti-vaxxers would look down on those who are anti-modern medicine/pro prayer, but the point is, they should realize it's just as bad.

As a parent you have every right to force children to do or not do things: bed times, curfews, clean your plate, chores. But none of these are life threatening. If you had a parent who told his kid that they believed everyone should drive 50mph OVER the speed limit and forced the kid to do that as well when the kid got a license, everyone would be up in arms. We'd all think, those parents are forcing their life-threatening beliefs on a child.

Back to the extreme example, we'd all be up in arms (and have been, just google it) when parents have a kid dying of cancer but refuse to let the kid see a doctor in favor prayer. Again, those parents are forcing a life-threatening belief on a child.

Anti-vaxxers force their life-threatening beliefs on an innocent child. A child, who as a result of the belief forced upon them, could contract a disease that will kill them or have severe long-term effects. That isn't right, so no, I don't see how anyone can say that a parent has 100% the right to choose to vaccinate their child or not.

Because once you go down that path, you're going to "A parent 100% has the right to refuse cancer treatment for their child in favor of prayer." Parents have latitude on many things, but not on forcing life-threatening beliefs on innocent children, even if it is "their" kids.

How is it not abusive to force a life-threatening belief on an innocent child? It's one thing if you want to take risks on your own life, but children aren't capable of making those decisions. They trust their parents to make those decisions for them, in their best interest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abuse

In the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Department for Children And Families (DCF) define child maltreatment as any act or series of acts of commission or omission by a parent or other caregiver that results in harm, potential for harm, or threat of harm to a child.

Anti-vax, just like anti-modern medicine/pro prayer, appears to fall into this definition. Might want to actually see the definition of "child abuse" before you say that it's definitely not child abuse.

[–]tcoonlagoon 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Under your quoted definition of child abuse, simply allowing your child to leave your home would be considered child abuse. If your child is not 100% safe from all harm (lets say this condition can be met by keeping them inside a well-padded room, and only feeding them the safest of foods), then under your quoted definition, you are abusing your child.Before you start shooting definitions at me, consider how they can be used against your argument in a stronger manner.

[–]pappy97 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

There's a difference between leaving your child at home and forcing a life-threatening belief on your child such as not letting them get vaccinations. Come on now.

And, by the way, nice job ignoring everything else in the post.

[–]tcoonlagoon 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I didn't bother responding to everything else in the post because all of that is strictly opinion. I can't change your mind on the topic because clearly you are closed-minded on the subject. I would simply be wasting my time. The one thing I can do, which was not a waste of time, is reply to the wikipedia (lol, citing wikipedia as a source) definition that happens to support your side of the argument if you twist it the right way. Don't "come on now" me either. I could say the exact same thing to you. Just because you interpret a situation one way, does not mean that everyone else does. And that's why having a choice is so damn valuable. Utopia will never exist, so I think we should stop trying. The small percentage of parents who are anti-vaccine will not significantly harm the herd immunization. But passing a law that REQUIRES vaccination of children, despite a parent's opinion/belief is definitely a step towards an even more-so government-dominated society. Despite what your opinion is, I am entitled to mine. And without a doubt, I do not agree that anti-vaccine parents deciding not to vaccinate their children falls under any practical definition of child-abuse.

[–]elfforkusu -1 ポイント0 ポイント

A parent has the right to choose whether someone else's baby gets polio due to a lack of herd immunity in the population.

Yeah, how about no. Vaccines should be mandatory.

[–]tcoonlagoon 0 ポイント1 ポイント

You, along with about 10 other people, missed my point that it is not child abuse. I dont give a fuck about this pitiful vaccine/anti-vaccine issue. The point was that the meme claims it is child abuse not to have your child vaccinated. Which I disagree with.