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Why has conservatism died on reddit?? (self.paleoconservative)

submitted by toomeya

It feels like surrender. Paleo is going strong. Why have r/conservative(s) abandoned ship? Most liberty minded folks who would like the discussion on r/paleo would find their first entrance through a generic conservative sub. We need to resurrect r/conservative

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[–]RMaximus 7 ポイント8 ポイント

Wouldn't it had to have lived before it died? Redditt was created and is currently run by HUGE leftists. This shouldn't be a shock to anyone.

[–]strikeanywhere1 7 ポイント8 ポイント

There has never been a real conservative beachead on this site. /r/conservative is a joke. People are constantly pandering to the leftists about how not hateful/racist/sexist/etc. they are. Most "conservatives" here are just neoliberals.

The fact that white nationalism and fascism typically have better run subreddits and conversation, despite the stigma of those, than conservatives speaks magnitudes about the modship and userbase. Whatis onthe rcon front page right now? Probably a le ebin maymay.

[–]Jibrish 3 ポイント4 ポイント

People are constantly pandering to the leftists about how not hateful/racist/sexist/etc. they are. Most "conservatives" here are just neoliberals.

99% of those posts are usually new accounts / respawns to. The amount of concern trolls we get on a daily basis is absolutely staggering. For all the hate we get we really do have an extremely full plate. Mess up once? Liberals sound the alarm and invade.

I mean, the lead mod of /r/politics can be a confirmed for-profit mod and that doesn't matter but oh god if we accidentally ban the wrong person all hell breaks loose.

Seriously the double standard got old. Making a pure conservative subreddit over 10k subs is literally impossible on reddit.

[–]strikeanywhere1 2 ポイント3 ポイント

The problem is discourse and debate are prohibited on that subplebbit. Disagreeing with chab is grounds for getting banned. Calling a shitpost a shitpost is bannable. Any level of actual discussion is prohibited. It is nothing but circlejerking. I really don't understand how you can defend this. It is not about being popular- oh wait it is, this is democracy. Which brings me to another point; there is nothing but left-right bullshit there. Something is shitty? Blame the slightly more liberal liberals. Something going well? Thank your own brand of liberal.

I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying people come in trying to sugar coat conservatism in order to make it look bad?

Every time a fag marriage, abortion, or race related post comes up, someone is there with a "not all conservatives are like that." The only difference between these conservatives and right-libertarians is that these guys support sending our sons and fathers to destabilize the middle east and suck Israeli cock.

[–]Jibrish 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Provide me with specific examples that have been moderated (aka not something we haven't gotten to / was completely missed). I will review them personally.

[–]mayonesa -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Disagreeing with chab is grounds for getting banned.

Chab isn't the problem, from my perspective :)

Calling a shitpost a shitpost is bannable.

I would guess that reporting a shitpost to the moderators is the preferred method of dealing with it. It is in all of the subs I moderate. The reason is that if people begin a "meta" discussion, that quickly becomes the norm and the topic itself is lost.

Any level of actual discussion is prohibited.

That's a fine line. One would want conservative discussion... but not liberal discussion. Then again, you can't do that when half your mods are liberals. Which is why:

there is nothing but left-right bullshit there

On a 99% liberal site, if you encourage interaction with liberals, you will have nothing but left-right fighting.

That's why some subs have said they are "for conservative discussion only."

Every time a fag marriage, abortion, or race related post comes up, someone is there with a "not all conservatives are like that."

Especially a certain cluster of faithless, honorless and cowardly mods.

[–]MarxistRedditAdmin 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Chab isn't the problem, from my perspective :)

He banned me from r/con for defending you -- though I may have directly called him a bitch. I think it was warranted, though.

[–]LinkFixerBotSnr 0 ポイント1 ポイント

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[–]mayonesa -1 ポイント0 ポイント

The banning mod is often not the mod who makes the decision, and there's a little wind chimes chorus in there that fears/loathes me.

[–]mayonesa 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I mean, the lead mod of /r/politics can be a confirmed for-profit mod and that doesn't matter but oh god if we accidentally ban the wrong person all hell breaks loose.

Only because you pay attention to it and take it seriously.

[–]lakkens 1 ポイント2 ポイント

99% of those posts are usually new accounts / respawns to.

I need to make new accounts, because the old ones always get either banned in most subreddits or have below zero karma, at which point the posts get caught by the antispam filter. If you try to argue with liberals, your account is fucked. That's how reddit works. It was designed to be a liberal website from the beginning, and because only the most upvoted posts get to the top, the trend was gradually reinforced.

[–]Jibrish 0 ポイント1 ポイント

If you try to argue with liberals, your account is fucked. That's how reddit works.

It took me an incredible amount of time to build Karma with this method. It is possible and it requires you taking over burden of proof when you shouldn't. Also, millions of citations. Millions.

[–]mayonesa -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Mess up once? Liberals sound the alarm and invade.

...with encouragement from the admins.

[–]Jibrish 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Can't forget that bit. Some of them are pretty cool and helpful though. Some.. not so much.

[–]mayonesa 0 ポイント1 ポイント

It's the rare exception that is cool or helpful. Most of them are smug neckbeards like their audience or outright liars like /u/yishan

[–]gborroughs 1 ポイント2 ポイント

...as opposed to the mods? ... and the brigades? Just seeking clarification - I have no knowledge about the unwritten rules for this community.

[–]mayonesa 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Admins endorse brigading.

Mods in /r/conservative selectively tolerate brigading. About half of the mods there are quasi-conservatives with their own pet issues, and they'll always rush to the front of the line to fawn over any liberal who might agree with them.

[–]gborroughs 1 ポイント2 ポイント

So how big are some of these brigades? There are over 1,000 of us.... could we fit the bill? More important, would the admins want to see a conservative brigade?

From what I can tell, the brigades are made up of throw away accounts, so perhaps 5 or six people could morph into sixty. Is my impression accurate?

[–]mayonesa 0 ポイント1 ポイント

More important, would the admins want to see a conservative brigade?

No.

They'll shadowban a conservative brigade.

They'll wink and nod at a liberal brigade.

Reddit = faithless.

[–]ctrocks 4 ポイント5 ポイント

When I have been on /r/conservative, quite often the comments with the traditional conservative opinion has been downvoted to oblivion by the /r/politics crowd. It is hard to see the good stories because everything conservative is downvoted.

Those people seem to stay out of here, but so do most conservatives, at least based on the number of active threads per day I see.

[–]Jibrish 1 ポイント2 ポイント

It's not really a problem we can do anything about either. The simple fact of the matter is reddit is overwhelming liberal and they do not like /r/conservative or any other conservative subreddit existing. End of story really.

We do our best though.

[–]Ingens_Testibus 3 ポイント4 ポイント

As a paleocon, I find that my views are so divergent from mainstream conservatism that attempting to discuss much of anything with them is not particularly compelling to me.

[–]jgardner 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Agreed. Discussions on reddit are rarely open and tolerant of different opinions.

[–]LollyAdverb 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Discussion about issues has died because the con subs will ban for disagreeing with a patently untrue statement or asking a question.

This creates a web version of the A.M. radio talkers show, where only those in agreement are allowed to speak and anyone with an opposing view is shouted down or hung up on.

[–]mayonesa 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Big points:

  1. The community discourages anything but rabid liberalism for teenagers and dropouts. This creates a feedback loop where people don't want to come here unless they're teenagers or drop-outs.

  2. Conservatives are generally passive people who prefer to have their news served up Fox-style, at this point. (In contrast to liberals, who are active people who reject anything that does not conform to their one-note ideology of equality.)

  3. /r/conservative and /r/Republican censor certain conservative ideas and certain conservatives in order to "fit in" with Reddit, and the mods try to pander to Reddit's lefty-Red community in order to possibly maybe hopefully someday perhaps lure those people to conservatism. Doesn't work, never has.

This also gives conservatives no option between mainstream RINO neocon and going full underground. /r/new_right tries to be in the middle but we will nver appeal to the lefty-leaning RINOs.

RMaximus writes:

Reddit was created and is currently run by HUGE leftists.

Not only that, part of its corporate marketing -- by lying stooges such as /u/yishan -- is to be pro-liberal. It's their form of advertising.

In the same way, if you look carefully at the big subs, they're all 50% fake content. /r/politics invents any reason possible to exclude anything threatening to the herd, /r/pics etc. are dominated by reposters most of whom come from Reddit HQ, etc.

strikeanywhere1 writes:

People are constantly pandering to the leftists about how not hateful/racist/sexist/etc. they are.

I agree.

Worst of all, it's the mods in /r/conservative who are doing this.

ctrocks writes:

quite often the comments with the traditional conservative opinion has been downvoted to oblivion by the /r/politics crowd

Always a problem with an easy cure: conservatives upvoting.

Why don't they do it?

See points #1 and #2.

gborroughs writes:

The majority of those posts to /r/conservative are made by perhaps 25 people.

Volunteers going against the grain.

Jibrish writes:

The amount of concern trolls we get on a daily basis is absolutely staggering.

This is an issue that needs address by the general community.

Ingens_Testibus writes:

As a paleocon, I find that my views are so divergent from mainstream conservatism that attempting to discuss much of anything with them is not particularly compelling to me.

I find there's a lot of overlap and that most /r/conservative posters don't mind the conversation extending if done so politely.

cowboyhaze writes:

/r/new_right isn't bad and /r/theredpill is a good recruiting area.

A lot of people including yourself have put in the work to make that so. The mods appreciate it.

[–]fatfaggotfuck69 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Also, the people with the most time to participate are single unemployed/student types, the demographic most likely to be liberal.

[–]Redskull673 1 ポイント2 ポイント

we shall never surrender!

[–]Hoonin 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Its dying because 75% of reddit is high schoolers who are taught global warming and marxist economics in their classes.

[–]Decapitated_Saint -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

Or because conservatives are the sort who decry science and throw the term "marxist" around without having the slightest clue what it means. Here's a better question: why do conservatives fail to establish any presence on the web beyond a bunch of loony blogs run by imbeciles like Matt Drudge or Breitbart?

[–]mayonesa 0 ポイント1 ポイント

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNMJAbs9lSE

[–]gborroughs 1 ポイント2 ポイント

The current subs are working only as far as they have posts. The majority of those posts to /r/conservative are made by perhaps 25 people. Once you get past chab, clatsop, mayo, keypuncher, politicalhat, yosoff, freshbrewed and a few others there is little posted; and most of those posts are linked to blogs rather than media articles that might be held in higher regard.

[–]Jibrish 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Well we kind of made our top posters mods so that makes sense when put in perspective.

That and people just burn out on submitting content outside of election seasons.

[–]cowboyhaze 0 ポイント1 ポイント

/r/new_right isn't bad and /r/theredpill is a good recruiting area.