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[–]yep45Constitutionalist 66 ポイント67 ポイント

The people who are less likely to have IDs are the poor, elderly, young people... i.e. mostly Democratic voters.

Some studies have shown they would be affected disproportionately, but that doesn't really address why we can't just make it easier to acquire a legal ID for voting.

Also there is an argument that it is like implementing a poll tax because you would have to pay for a new ID. That is of course assuming that you have to pay for a new ID.

[–]Nimbus2000 18 ポイント19 ポイント

Is it true that the elderly are mostly democrats? My parents and I'd wager all of their friends are straight up conservative republicans in fact I might not have met a democrat until college.

[–]benjobeast 22 ポイント23 ポイント

I'm gonna go out on a limb a bed that your parents live no where near the inner city. This would explain you not meeting a Democrat until college...

[–]Nimbus2000 7 ポイント8 ポイント

True, they're still in suburban SC where I grew up. It's a great place to grow up!

[–]legalizehazing 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Love the Carolina's with all my heart. Especially South. Consider yourself very lucky.

[–]Nimbus2000 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Ah I do. Thank you, I had a great childhood. Going back with my kids once school's out.

[–]ezfrag 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I miss Cheerwine and fish camps.

[–]benjobeast 15 ポイント16 ポイント

I don't disagree that the more rural area are a great area to live. But, you must realize that living in this area is the cause of not meeting Democrats rather than assuming absence of Democrats as the cause.

[–]Nimbus2000 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Okay but the original point was wondering about the OP's claim that older people are mostly democrats, which I disagree with. From what I have seen older people with more life experience and wisdom and age vote republican.

[–]benjobeast 13 ポイント14 ポイント

What I'm saying is that if you go into the inner city you'll find most elderly vote Democrat.

The compare number of elderly there to the number of elderly in the suburbs.

[–]Nimbus2000 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Okay point taken.

[–]yep45Constitutionalist 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I meant of the groups I listed most of the ones affected vote democratic reliably. A significant contingent of seniors also vote based on entitlement programs

[–]AceOfSpades70Libertarian Conservative 2 ポイント3 ポイント

The eldery tend to lean Republican. In the last election, those 65+ voted for Romney at a 56-44 rate. http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president

[–]UmbrellaResearchCorp 17 ポイント18 ポイント

Yeah I don't buy the fact that poor, elderly, young people would have a tougher time getting a proper ID to vote with than the lower classes of India. If they (Indians) can do it, so can they. That particular reason is either a blatant lie for the purpose of misdirection --- or an "asymptotical" confession by democrats as to how inconceivably lazy their voting block is.

More likely it is because the elimination of easy voter fraud would impact the Democrat party election results more negatively than the (R) Party.

Reminds me of "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" from Shakespeare.

[–]GideonWellsLiberal (Here to learn) 5 ポイント6 ポイント

I thought voting fraud cases were extremely minimal.

[–]ezfrag 2 ポイント3 ポイント

There was a study published recently that stated that there were only 13 cases proven of an individual impersonating someone else at the polls.

That is of several hundred reports of voter impersonation, only 13 could be proven. The issue is that this is only one form of voter fraud. More common types of voter fraud involve absentee ballots and people who should not be registered to vote voting. Having to show ID is only a starting place to fixing the voter registration process and scrubbing the rolls of those who aren't supposed to be registered to vote.

[–]dowork91 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Outright fraud, probably. But voter ID is a great way to make sure that the only people who are voting are non-felon US citizens.

[–]ShadowRobot 3 ポイント4 ポイント

India has a gigantic government ran project to give every single person in the country a national id card.

[–]Skulder 6 ポイント7 ポイント

Yeah I don't buy the fact that poor, elderly, young people would have a tougher time getting a proper ID to vote with than the lower classes of India. If they (Indians) can do it, so can they.

Do you think that the Indians pay for their ID on an individual basis?

[–]UmbrellaResearchCorp 12 ポイント13 ポイント

Fuck if I know. I do know that a trip to the DMV and my driver's license is free. God knows the 'poor' that have low mobility certainly find a way to get down to the SS office..........

Or if there is some fucking hangup as to why they can't pass or afford a driving test, there's always the "Wisconsin way":

Wisconsin law still requires the Department of Transportation to provide free ID cards to any individual who will be at least 18 years of age on the date of the next election and who requests a free ID for the purpose of voting. The regular fee is $28 http://gab.wi.gov/node/1882

[–]patsmad 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Wisconsin has a voter ID law (which was kind of sort of struck down, not sure what the official status on that is). Not only to they provide IDs for free if necessary, but they also allow student IDs as a valid form of identification for voting. This, specifically, is the kind of voter ID law I'm all for. If the intent of voter ID is simply to prove who you are (not prove you can vote, that's what registration is for) then any valid un-expired form of photo ID should be sufficient.

[–]iKnife -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

Yeah I don't buy the fact that poor, elderly, young people would have a tougher time getting a proper ID to vote with than the lower classes of India. If they (Indians) can do it, so can they.

This is a massively ignorant comment. Not only do you homogenize the experiences of a whole group, but you also make the enormous assumption that for some reason India and the United States have done equally good jobs making IDs available to the public. Can you justify that assumption? If you can't, your whole argument falls apart.

or an "asymptotical" confession by democrats as to how inconceivably lazy their voting block is.

Nice. Calling blacks and the working poor lazy.

More likely it is because the elimination of easy voter fraud would impact the Democrat party election results more negatively than the (R) Party.

Oh yeah? Link me to any source about mass in person voting fraud in the US that voter ID laws would prevent.

[–]UmbrellaResearchCorp 6 ポイント7 ポイント

Nice. Calling blacks and the working poor lazy.

Nice try, Jay Carney. You're the one that brought up 'blacks'. You fucking racist scum.

Oh yeah? Link me to any source about mass in person voting fraud in the US that voter ID laws would prevent.

Yeah, how about pretty much ALL of them? I highly doubt all the wonderful accounts of Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Jesus Christ voting are going to be hard to back up when you have to get "Mickey Mouse" a birth certificate and a valid govt ID. Not mention all the reports of the dead people rising from their graves in the cemeteries to go to the polls to vote.

This is a massively ignorant comment. Not only do you homogenize the experiences of a whole group, but you also make the enormous assumption that for some reason India and the United States have done equally good jobs making IDs available to the public. Can you justify that assumption? If you can't, your whole argument falls apart.

It means that Indians probably take their right to vote a little more seriously than Americans. Voter IDs are already free in many states. Wisconson already has a program in place that requires the DoT to provide FREE ID for the specific purpose of voting, if the person just asks for it.

I've cited all this info here in the thread. I'm not going to do your fucking legwork for you. If you're too lazy to look for these WELL KNOWN examples, just go ahead and lump your self in with the inconceivably lazy democratic voter block.

[–]TDKBanditos 4 ポイント5 ポイント

The people who are less likely to have IDs are the poor, elderly, young people... i.e. mostly Democratic voters.

They should simply have the federal government pay for a basic ID card, or fund the states to issue them, and therefore give them away to the poor if they truly cannot afford them. Those that can afford them should pay a nominal fee and have the cards have a truly long usage, say 10 to 20 years, before renewal.

Also there is an argument that it is like implementing a poll tax because you would have to pay for a new ID. That is of course assuming that you have to pay for a new ID.

The conservatives should simply say, hey, will have taxes cover the poor on this issue. Then there's really no practical issue to contend with because the "poll tax" and "being too poor" go out the door.

[–]AceOfSpades70Libertarian Conservative 4 ポイント5 ポイント

South Carolina did that, including offering state paid rides to the DMV for those could not take themselves. Something like 33 people used it.

[–]Denog 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I thought they were free because it would be considered a poll tax

[–]zmekus 2 ポイント3 ポイント

The problem with voter ID is that it is a partisan issue. Republicans say they want it to avoid voter fraud, but then they say people should have to pay for IDs and college IDs don't count.