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TiA users defending the rights of NEO-NAZI organizations, and making fun of people who voice out against them (self.TiADiscussion)

submitted by idgaf900

Way fucking over the line. http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/comments/25qcv4/not_being_offended_freedom_of_speech_amirite_tw/

I used to love this sub but this has almost done it for me... I feel so gross after seeing the comments on that thread.

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[–]marcopolonian 8 ポイント9 ポイント

Look, I understand why you're so sickened by the thought of protecting the right to free speech of neo-nazis. I am, too. They're an evil, hateful bunch whose very existence on this Earth is shameful for humanity.

But silencing them sets a dangerous precedent. Suddenly, free speech has become less free. Now the concept of "free speech" has shifted from "the right of all humans to express their opinions" to "the rights of some humans to express their opinions".

I'm sure you don't think of Nazism as the "same" as any other type of belief, and I can understand why. Everyone on TiA can understand why. But silence them, and you have now made "silencing a group for their beliefs" an acceptable practice. We tolerate the presence of the Westboro Baptist Church for the same reason.

The philosophy of those that you might think are "defending" Nazism is summed up by the famous quote misattributed to Voltaire: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

[–]WasteAmez -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Comparing the WBC to Nazism is stupid, and you're stupid for doing so.

A better comparison is with Catholicism. The WBC just calls people faggots and pisses people off, but the Vatican has a thousand year history of exterminating people who disagree with them - including Jews (Muslims, nature worshippers, sand Pagans, sun worshippers, protestants.) The criteria people usually use to condemn the Nazis is far more applicable to the Catholic church, but it's still completely legal and has 1 billion members.

I don't think neo Nazis are the most benificial portion of the population, but they don't really do anything. There's other groups of Jew hating fascists that are actually doing stuff we need to worry about.

[–]marcopolonian 2 ポイント3 ポイント

There's no need to call someone stupid for disagreeing with you.

And anyways, the WBC fits much better in context. Both Neo-Nazis and the WBC have made hatred the basis of their beliefs. The context was that we tolerate the presence of the WBC for the same reason we do neo-Nazis, because "silencing a group for their beliefs" is wrong no matter what beliefs those may be.

Catholicism is considerably different. Catholics do not preach hatred and intolerance at all. You make it sound like each of the 1 billion members was complicit in exterminating people who disagree with them, when in reality, not one of them was alive then.

[–]WasteAmez -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Not one was alive then

That's bullshit and you're stupid for saying so. Catholics have been murdering people more recently than Nazis.

And it DOESNT MATTER If THEY WERE DIRECTLY INVOLVED. If I join Hamas with the intent of distributing food and water and shit, I'm still aligning myself with terrorists who use children as shields and suicide bombers. Moreover the only reason Hamas does charitable activity is to garner support from those fucking retarded palestinians, which then allows them to launch more attacks on civilians and extend the eternal conflict. BTW Catholicism does the same thing, they claim to be charitable, but all they do is try and expand their power base.

And if you say "Well they ARE doing good" imagine this: I murder your entire family. Then I donate $3600 to the heart and stroke foundation or something.

What Catholics preach is irrelevant, words are irrelevant. Muslims preach peace and tolerance and they're arguably the most hateful people in the world. There's 3 types of Muslims; 1 type is alright and the smallest, and the other 2 hate it and each other. Thatd be like if I founded an organization preaching charitable shit and then got my members to murder your family.

TBH though the Catholic church doesn't make a habit of murdering families, usually they murder children; or at least rape them.

I suppose the WBC does fit in context, being loud, stupid and having no impact on anything, just like NeoNazis or the KKK. I suppose the point I'm trying to make is before we ban either of those groups we should ban Islam & Catholicism, because they actually DO harm instead of preaching harm.

[–]lionsaddle 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Are you actually /u/idgaf900 ?

[–]Brandnewnothing 6 ポイント7 ポイント

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That is the first amendment to the US constitution. You might want to reread it. People can say or believe whatever they want regardless of how hateful it is. Forcibly censoring that is a violation of the rights set forth in the Constitution and bill of rights.

[–]PM_YOUR_ISSUES 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Nazi organizations have a right to say what they wish to say, to believe what they wish to believe. Having this right does not make their views correct.

It's the same with all extremist organizations. Many people do not like the Westboro Baptist Church, doesn't mean that they don't have the right to say what they wish either.

We do not like the views and vocalizations of SJWs, that doesn't mean we think that they should not have a right to express those views.

You are within your rights to mock Nazis. You are within your rights to disagree with Nazis. You are within your rights to think that Nazis are the scum of the Earth. You cannot, however, say that they don't have the right to express their views.

[–]BuncyTheFrog 9 ポイント10 ポイント

You continue being as wrong as you are in the linked thread.

Everything's wrong with the views that bigoted people express. The expression of said views is protected. Full stop.

[–]lionsaddle 2 ポイント3 ポイント

OP, you are so stupid it is hilarious. Keep it up!

[–]Santa_Claauz 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Do you not see the irony in trying to take away rights from neo-nazis?

[–]Sordak 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Nobody is defending Nazis. They are defending the rights of People.

There is no such thing as the right to be a Nazi. Thus, by defending their rights as human beeings you are not endorsing their behaviour.

Nobody should ever be silenced. If what they say is actually illegal, let the police deal with it.

What we have here is a classic case of hypocrisy. its okay to laugh at SJWs mocking the notion of fair trial for alleged rapists. But once a buzzword is coming up that is seated even deeper, like "Nazi" then you become the exact same type of person.

Its quite sad actually.

So let me put it bluntly. Godwins law is not a legitimate debate tactic, not even in germany it is.

[–]Prometheus46715 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Fuck off.

[–]themilgramexperience 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Putting the ideology of the organisation in all caps doesn't change anything. Free speech is a universal right, which means that you don't get to censor the opinions of others no matter how repugnant you find them. No one does.