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[–]Steamboat64 -13 ポイント-12 ポイント

But the Bible says things about homosexuality. "facepalm"

[–]Lord_of_hosts 18 ポイント19 ポイント

The Bible !=Jesus. scratches ear

[–]Allternator 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Is there something wrong with your ear?

[–]joshlalonde 0 ポイント1 ポイント

And the word was God. Hmm

[–]The_Withheld_Name 0 ポイント1 ポイント

The Jesus character specifically says many times that the Old Testament should be upheld. He calls for adulterers & disobedient kids to be killed, & condemns those who violate the old laws, saying that all scripture is holy & not open to interpretation. It's bogus, but that's what the fictional characters says in the story.

[–]jdsamford 2 ポイント3 ポイント

But most Christians abide by the teachings of Jesus found in the new testament, and consider the lessons of the old testament to be outdated.

[–]RiffRaff14 7 ポイント8 ポイント

The Bible addresses homosexuality in the New Testament as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_New_Testament

[–]Tekless -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Jesus is only in the four gospels and those do not say anything about gays. The rest of the new testament was written after Jesus.

Edit: In this context "written after Jesus" means the content is chronologically after Jesus.

[–]Fearlessleader85 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

All of the new testament was written after Jesus. The earliest was 60-100 years after. There is nothing in the bible written by anyone who knew Jesus.

[–]Tekless 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Corinthians, its a compilation of letters written by one of the disciples.

[–]ihatenamingshit -1 ポイント0 ポイント

All of them were written after Jesus... none of the authors actually met the man.

[–]Thinkiknoweverything -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Except that very vague statement could mean many, different, unrelated things depending on how it was translated. Taking things that have been translated over and over and over through many languages literally is retarded.

[–]Tekless 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Most translations today are from original Greek to modern language.

[–]Thinkiknoweverything 1 ポイント2 ポイント

implying the original language was greek.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_BURDENS 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Archaeology student here, I did my senior thesis on the accuracy of the biblical text.

It was written in Greek, this much is universally agreed upon beyond any shadow of a doubt. We have biblical manuscripts that date to just a few decades after they were written (the fact that manuscripts that early survived is remarkable in and of itself) and they are all in Greek. You might claim that it was written in another language and then translated to Greek, but that is pure unbased conjecture with literally no evidence to support it. When you translate from one language to another, there are always things lost in the translation. Idioms and figures of speech that don't quite make sense, severe grammatical mistakes, mistranslations and the like. These problems would have been reflected in the many, many copies that were made of the original texts. The New Testament manuscripts do not indicate this at all.

Tl;dr the fact that the New Testament was originally written in Greek is just that: A fact. I too have my own problems with Christianity, but don't let that cloud your mind and your judgement.

[–]Thinkiknoweverything -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

is youre mom an archaeologist?

Because I have a huge bone for her to examine.

[–]dovetc 3 ポイント4 ポイント

I would not go that far. To many Christians, the old testament is central the the "Jesus story." It takes Israel and uses their plight as a case for why the world needs the forgiveness of God through the messiah, who is the guy they're prophesying about at many points in the old testament.

[–]Natetendo83 1 ポイント2 ポイント

For most of us, the entire Bible is critical and is all true and important. The thing we understand is that much of the rituals of the Old Testament were fulfilled by Jesus and are no longer necessary.

In other words, Jesus sacrificed not eating bacon so that we can.

[–]Baalinooo 3 ポイント4 ポイント

The Ten Commandments are in the Old Testament...

It not about making sense, purely cherry-picking.

[–]ocularis01 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

The ten commandments are also in the new testament.

One of the disciples actually asked Jesus, "which of the old laws are we to follow?". Then Jesus lists a few, and the others are in a few other places in NT

[–]OldLeopardSkin 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I don't think Yeshua is ever asked which laws to follow, rather which are the most important.

[–]Baalinooo -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Oh, yeah, he also says shit like I did not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it... This Jesus guy doesn't try to make sense either.

[–]Steamboat64 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Maybe some do, but I haven't personally met anyone who thinks the old testament is outdated. Here are all the verses in the new testament relating to homosexuality:

Romans 1:18-32 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.... Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.

That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (NLT)

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NLT)

1 Timothy 1:8-10 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine ... (ESV)

Jude 7 And don't forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God's judgment. (NIV)

[–]jdsamford 0 ポイント1 ポイント

You haven't met anyone who avoids haircuts and cotton/polyester blends per Leviticus?

[–]PseudoSomethingYT -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Notice all those are from the New Testament. Leviticus is Old Testament.

[–]jdsamford 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I was replying to the first sentence.

[–]flycfi2005 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Maybe read the Bible and understand the themes, then it will be clear why Christians believe that not all OT Laws apply to them.

[–]reshp1 0 ポイント1 ポイント

and consider the lessons of the old testament to be outdated.

Unless it justifies hating who they hate.

[–]tgjer 0 ポイント1 ポイント

FWIW, most branches of Judaism don't think a blanket condemnation of same gender relationships is an appropriate understanding or application of scripture either.

[–]The_Withheld_Name -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Have you not read the book? The Jesus character specificially calls for the Old Testament to be upheld, with one exception of working on the Sabbath (if your mule or child falls in a ditch, they can be pulled out on the Sabbath). He calls for adulterers & disobedient kids to be killed, & condemns those who reinterpret or dismiss the old laws. edit: It's a load of sick mythology, but I'm just repeating what the character says!

[–]flycfi2005 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Have you read it? Using a couple of quotes out of context to go against the overarching theme of the NT isn't going to cut it.

[–]TheThinker333 0 ポイント1 ポイント

This pissed me off at first, but then I realized you were being sarcastic or speaking form the viewpoint of a radical Christian. It would be better stated to reverse the quotation marks, indicating that these are not actually your beliefs. Unless you were being serious, in which case go shove a four foot trophy up your ass.

[–]Steamboat64 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I'm not being sarcastic. The Bible said many times that homosexuality is wrong. I listed the verses in the new testament in reply to someone else in this thread, so check that out.

[–]TheThinker333 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Alright, ever had bacon?

[–]flycfi2005 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

You need a different user name. You aren't living up to this one.

[–]yosterizer 0 ポイント1 ポイント

No, he is spot on. Anyone cherry picking quotes from the Old Testament is a hypocrite if they eat bacon.

[–]flycfi2005 0 ポイント1 ポイント

First of all he quoted the New Testament, not the old. Second, some things happen in the New Testament that nullify some of the old testament laws and the reasons for it are clearly stated in the Bible by both Jesus and later by Paul. Anyone who has read the Bible and understood it would realize that, even if they don't believe it.

[–]joshlalonde 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Or perhaps you're ignoring the fact that that's specifically spoken to Hebrews. Unless you're Jewish, that is not intended for you

[–]Hollow_Man_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Just because it's in the New Testament doesn't make it any less shitty or more right. The new testament also mentions women keeping their mouths shut and submitting as slaves to their husbands.

[–]CaptainPixel -1 ポイント0 ポイント

I'm sure I'm going to immediately regret this decision:

But the Bible says things about homosexuality. "facepalm"

Who wrote the Bible?

To start with there is no one Bible, and I'm going to make the huge assumption that we're only talking about the Abrahamic religions. A Bible is a collection of works from different authors and there are almost as many versions of (either in content or arrangement) as there are religions who consider it holy. As an example the Protestant Bible contains 66 books, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church's contains 81.

The Torah was derived from oral traditions. There wasn't a solidification of the old testament cannon until the 3rd century BCE. During that time legend says 70 Jewish scholars were tasked with translating the Torah into Greek by Ptolemy II for what we now refer to as the Greek Old Testament.

The new testament books were also based on oral stories told after the death of Jesus. Mark's Gospel coming about 40 years later.

The were various translations of the Bible from Greek to Latin not long after the Greek Old Testament, but unified translation didn't happen until 382 by St. Jerome. St. Jerome used some Hebrew versions along with the Latin and revised the Bible to fit the Hebrew text as he understood it. This is known as the Vulgata or "Common Bible". This version of the Bible wasn't adopted by the Catholic Church as their official Latin version until the late 1500s.

The point is: The Bible was not penned by Angles or God himself. The Bible as we know it was written by ancient men who were subject to the same biases and bigotry that have always been present in mankind. It was written from oral stories which are subject to the same perspective bias and exaggerations that any verbal tale is subject to. It was translated and re-translated for centuries and subject to the same errors and mistakes that happen when translating any language to another. Lastly it's been edited and compiled by men who chose to include or exclude texts based on their own perceptions and ideals.

It is not a perfect text. Any message taken from it needs to be looked at through the lens of a 3rd century people who's words were transcribed many years later then translated from one language to another to another like an ancient game of telephone.