Earth, I love you. I always have. You and your elemental inhabitants are the most beautiful beings that I have ever seen, met, felt and experienced. You are the most beautiful life experiment in this universe. You are music to my ears and soul. And your green! The sound of the leaves in the wind. The scents. The sunrise and sunset. The moon. The humming of the bees, the rushing of the waves. The infinite moments of sensory ecstasy and blissful encounters with other beings. Discovering woman-identification has been a constant dance of fire and joy.
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Alexis linked to the convo going on at Wwomenwwarrior’s. I had already read her post some time ago, when she published it, but not followed the conversation. I had a look and this comment by bronte was of particular interest.
I’ll copy her comment here:
Re: “If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accomplished by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.”
Mary DalyMuch as I hate disagreeing with my beloved Mary Daly, with regard to the decontamination of the Earth and how it will be accomplished, I must. Mary was not an earth/climate scientist or ecologist and never professed to be one.
Apart from lurking silently on radical feminist blogs I read NTHE sites: (Near Term Human Extinction) sites, because, according to the science, Near Term Human Extinction within one or two generations is where the parasitical/ cancer tumorous system of patriarchy and Homo Rapiens (males) have brought not only humans but all complex life on Earth. The Sixth Extinction experienced in the 5 billion years or so of
Earth’s lifetime and presently underway is being caused by Homo Rapiens.
Why is this so thorougly ignored on radical feminist blogs? Please don’t tell me that radical feminists – of all people- are climate change denialists?That is, my radical feminist reflections/ spinning/ taking my thoughts to their logical end have not resulted in Mary Daly’s happy beliefs that women will overcome patriarchy, that there will be a cosmic revolution or that evolution (an unthinking, blind process that cares not a jot about women) will somehow step in at the very last moment and save us and the planet from the male disease.
Instead, my radical feminism – based as it always has been on the search for Truth no matter how ugly and unpalatable- led to the study and cross-analysis of biology, climate science, ecology and complex systems theory.
I wanted the Big Picture of what is happening to the planet because of Homo Rapiens. And that picture is not a pretty or hopeful one.
Hence, whether the male Y chromosome goes extinct within 5 million years (as stated by Professor Jenny Graves) or whether it goes extinct within 1 million years is moot. The rabid ape Homo Rapiens has done so much damage in its 250,000 years on Earth that it is not only extincting itself but everything else along with it.I believe all radical feminists should be preparing themselves now for what will be the collapse of civilization because the reality and inevitabily of that is, perphaps, one of our blind spots: a dangerous one.
To answer your question, Bronte, as to why this has been ‘thoroughly ignored’ on my blog: I did not know about it. For your information, of course I have never been a climate change denialist, I have always attentively read information on the destruction of the environment, read about the floodings to come, about the collapse of the monetary system, of this and that, but I believed, as Mary Daly did, that some of us could survive the impending doom, and hoped the next generation of survivors would only be females.
Now as I read Bronte’s comment a few days ago, it struck me and was very compelling but I read it in a haste (my attention span on computers is limited these days -maybe I need glasses?- so I usually just read or write things fast) and skimmed past the reference to Near Term Human Extinction (NTHE), especially as there was no link. So as much as this comment was alarming it didn’t stir me particularly, and the next day went on as usual. I didn’t really get the message, I thought ‘oh well, this makes sense, I just hope females will still survive’. Until a friend, yesterday, told me what she had found by googling “Near Term Human Extinction”.
Oh. My. I looked it up for myself. There’s this guy called Guy McPherson, who’s a spokesperson of all of this. I googled various entries and quickly found his website. And I found this essay, a summary of the findings on climate change. Read it yourselves. I’m not going to quote anything because it is too long, just read it very carefully.
What this guy, Guy, says, or rather what he demonstrates with the support of hundreds of long term scientific evidence from many sources including very conservative and mainstream sources, is that all life on this planet will come to extinction by 2030. The major cause of this extinction will be that the global warming and melting of the ice has triggered a series of feedback loops of toxic gas emissions such as methane and carbon dioxyde which were trapped in the soils and underwaters of the earth by the ice and frost. These feedback loops have already started, are now unstoppable and life on earth is already on its way to extinction. No technology can stop this – especially since male technology is part of the problem and their use and fabrication will only emit more greenhouse gases. Even if men’s system collapsed now, if all men died and we returned back to stone age, it is unstoppable. Unprecedented levels of methane and carbone dioxyde have already been released into the atmosphere because of the warming and the more gas is emitted, the more the planet heats because of the greenhouse effects of the gas, and the more gas is emitted again. Once the air is too intoxicated plants will start dying too and if all or most plants die together, all the carbon dioxyde they sequestered will be released too, which only further intoxicates the air. There will simply be no more oxygen to breathe and the time it will take for the earth to regain cool temperatures and for the gases to be sequestered again, if that ever happens, which might be between 100 or thousands of years according to the extent of the damage, all species and life will have been already gone. I’m just paraphrasing these statements from memory, so read his essay for detailed information and explanations of the different feedback loops.
Right. This is estimated to happen by 2030… 2030! That gives us 15 years to live, if we even survive that long. Before that there will be floodings and terrible tsunamis, the sea level is likely to rise at least 50 meters higher. The monetary system will crumble down before, and I shudder to think what men will do once their system falls apart and they will no longer be able to hide the truth.
Do I believe this? Is this credible, is it a hoax? If only. How could this not be credible? The facts are indisputable. Who am I to dispute the long term data and biological facts observed and measured by hundreds of scientists? I’m the first to be critical about male science but this doesn’t seem to be a matter of personal opinion to me. Even if there were room for doubt or error regarding the probability of certain species surviving such as bacteria or fungi, the evidence is so compelling that I don’t think it’s an option to ignore it. I sorely wish it wouldn’t be true.
Now. One by one, my reactions.
It is a Strange moment. I cannot describe the sense of utter horror and grief that first overcame me. It seems utterly surreal yet it is real. Worse than I could have ever imagined. Life on earth as we know will no longer exist. Our beloved, sacred Mother Earth, how I love you, how it grieves me to know that all this beauty of life will disappear. I look by the window, at the trees, the grass, the birds, dear companions. How painful. This is a terrible moment of realising.
I’ve known all along that patriarchy would collapse. It confirms what we have been hearing more or less explicitly for some time now. It also confirms some visions that women have shared with me. I myself have been saying it out loud for a while, that men’s system will collapse, maybe not so much online. My only question was whether men would destroy the rest of us in their demise or if some of us would survive. We now have the answer. It appears that men will take everything away with them.
Men, homo rapiens, you scum, you filth. There is no word to describe the extent of your evil, you are pure evil, pure lechery. I hate you, how I hate you. In the 250,000 years of your rotten, defunct existence, you have managed to kill 5 million years of life on earth.
Men like Guy McPherson, you are also part of the problem. How dare you – yes I’m talking to YOU, and to all liberal men like DGR & co, and I hope you will come across this – indeed how dare you continue to write about the near term life extinction while pretending it is “humanity” who has sentenced to death all life on earth. The unstoppable death-machine has always only been orchestrated by the homo rapiens. By men. YOU. Women are not and have never been responsible for the atrocities committed by men, for men’s global industrial rape and death system. By lying and deceiving you are continuing to be part of the problem, because you are masking the fact that the obvious solution all the time, long before the extinction of all life was impending, was to depopulate the earth of males or to reduce them to manageable levels again – only by doing so would have men’s patriarchal and industrial necrophilic sado-system come to an end without destroying the rest of life.
Those men warning about the final extinction have existed for centuries, predicting the end of the world. Ffs men’s end is even predicted in their genes, their dead-endness is constitutive of their biology. All of men’s stories have a deadpoint, a “the end”. Every second film for the last decades has been about the apocalypse. They Know. Even the Mayan predicted the apocalypse at this period, they got it right. Why have none of them taken action? If these men cared for the planet and knew men would end up killing her, why haven’t they created a global male euthanising service to save the planet? Women know how to care for life. We have known better all along. Goddess knows women have been trying for millennia to put an end to male rule by all means possible, including by culling men. All this time you KILLED us!! you SUPPRESSED us, exterminated women and our life-preserving, earth-loving societies, our cultures, our lives!! And now it’s too late.
Now, even if a few men talk of committing suicide and of reducing global human population – well that’s still doing us a disservice, you egotistic liberal cowards. How many men, at best, will commit suicide? Maybe 1%? Or one in five thousand? What difference will that make? Let me tell you: if the least worse men bother to commit suicide without bothering to euthanise the rest of man-kind, they will be leaving women alone to fend with the worst of worse males: the MRAs, the pornographers, the army-men, the right-wing climate-change denialists, etc. Not to mention the problem of the suiciders that will kill their wives, mothers and daughters along with them, of course. You fucking idiots! You will be leaving the few moments of life on earth to be ruthlessly raped, pillaged and looted by the reamining barbaric males.
So, to all men, before all life goes extinct, you could at least do us the favour of leaving us these 15 last years free of your foul presence. You never really cared about life anyway. You’re not even capable of interacting with her. What difference does it make to you? What is one sub-male human species compared to billions of species on earth? Nothing.
Also, isn’t it ironic that men can publicly talk of drastically decreasing global human population as a final attempt to save the planet without anyone batting an eyelid, when we merely state the obvious – men are responsible for this global, now irrevertible catastrophe, and since they will never change the obvious solution would have been to cull them (which is now pointless) – well, we are threatened to death, killed, and heavens knows all the atrocities men do to us. Anyway, decreasing ‘human’ population isn’t a solution because the problem aren’t ‘humans’ but males.
Phew. This was the rage part.
As I continued reading the essay, as with any moment when we are faced with imminent death and annihilation, everything around me seemed futile, petty and distant. I thought of the things that mattered most in life and all I want is to spend as much time as I can with female companions, whether human, animal, plant or elemental, before we go. We now more literally than ever before, have nothing to lose. I had already begun a survival plan for myself and female relatives for some time, but it certainly encouraged me to pursue this more readily. This feeling resonated with another nagging feeling that I’ve had for several months now, which is that all my radical feminist undertakings seemed to be in slow motion, in such a stark way that it felt like a deliberate message. The more I attempted to respect my limits and the limits of life-time and rythm in the things I did to keep on communicating radical feminism to women, in all and any possible ways, the more I realised how ridiculously slow and tiny it was compared to the sheer speed and scope of men’s destruction. I felt like a snail competing with light-speed, or a twig competing with a tornado. Especially because our situation is now so dire, that most of what I do, I have to it alone since I am either separated in distance from other radical feminists or most of my closer friends don’t have time, swamped by survival pre-occupations. I don’t have much time either but I’m the only I know who has the time to devote myself almost entirely to feminism in ways that I choose. I was more and more coming to a conclusion that radical feminism could not at this point, in and of itself, save women and the planet, and if something were to save us, it would be greater than us. These intuitions or subliminal thoughts became explicit through the last conversation, especially thanks to the intervention of Tracy.
Wandering further into my troubled thoughts, I wondered what would happen with our souls and the souls of all these dear beings on earth once we will be separated from our earthly bodies. Will we continue to hover around the earth and wail the loss of life like rattling ghosts? Will we seek reincarnation somewhere else, maybe on another habitable planet? Will we go and find our life companions and live happily ever after in the ether? Will men continue to parasite our souls even in after life? I remember a woman telling me that the problem of maleness was not only a problem on earth but reflected a cosmic problem, on the level of the universe. Well, I have no idea whether this is true or even if it can be verified.
I now acutely understand why, since when I remember, I have always felt sadness -as well as joy- whenever coming in full contact with the elements and wild life. The sadness was a feeling of loss from the present and past destruction and of a loss to come. It came from the intuition that we would be parted eventually. I think we must have all experienced this more or less consciously since the dead-endness is written in the DNA of men’s civilisation. I now see how real this sense of loss is. I have probably come to life here and now to witness this last phase of patriarchy – or maybe even the last phase of this kind of life on earth. For some life will survive, I am sure. Maybe bacteria, fungi of some sort. I wish I could have been old and left just a few years ago, like Mary Daly and millions of other women. They are lucky, they left at the right time.
I suddenly remembered a time when I was an adolescent, and I used to laugh and say that I would die when I’d be 37, or something like that, for no paticular reason, and people would look at me weirdly. I thought it was an old enough age to die, I saw it as very far away then. Until someone told me “that’s an early age to die”, so I decided it wasn’t such a good idea after all. Later I interpreted it as the effect of a family member dying when I was young, and that strong awareness of death was part of my life for a very long time, so maybe it didn’t occur to me that I could live longer. Maybe I hated myself and my life so much then that I didn’t care if I died. Maybe because I disliked old people because my grandparents had always been stiff and I didn’t see the point of living old if I were to become like them. I tried to remedy this by picturing myself older and seeing it as a good thing, and accepting myself at all stages of life. What if it had something to do with the fact that I subliminally knew I wouldn’t live very old? Maybe, maybe not. It’s a flash of memory that crossed my mind while reading the essay.
Today is one day after I started reading this essay. My life will never be quite the same again, now that I have this picture in mind, now that it is so clear. It is strange to see to how much we can adapt. I am somewhat more tranquil than yesterday. What is strange is that despite this knoweldge of extinction, which still seems surreal, I also know that we will win. That we will succeed. This intuition has never left me. What kind of form will this really take I wonder, maybe this is the only solution to the end of maleness. And something new will emerge again. I still wish this wouldn’t happen, I wish this wouldn’t be true. But somehow it feels somewhat peaceful to know that there will be an end to all of this.
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Some parts of this posts have emerged through conversations with a friend, thank you.
Also, Bronte, thank you for de-lurking and introducing this knowledge to the radfem blog world. It seems your message was very timely.
Sweeties ♡ ♡ ♡
I have known this for a couple of decades now.
All we can do as witches is to raise our energy for our re-incarnation on a female planet. Parthenogenesis. It’s a huge Universe, we’re out there in our own Worlds.
Oh, have you? As in, you knew that life on Earth would go extinct imminently?
Oh, that sounds like a nice idea, to reincarnate to a new planet. I hope we’ll all find each other again and take the ride to that new planet together. We need to be coordinated! How will we recognise each other? I hope our Earthling memory will not be lost either. It would be really sad to loose all that. The good news is that it’s unlikely that all of the Earth will be flooded. Maybe we should start writing radical feminist herstory and the history of malecraze on caves and carving it on stones so we can revisit that as angels and tell it to the next generation of females! :P
And keep a memory of some of the different beings that populated the earth.
Here’s another comment by Bronte which is relevant, at W4′s:
A male-centric vision on the US getting prepared for the final catastrophe (quote from GuyMCpherson, at the end of his essay).
They’re certainly right to keep it from the public in a way, even though they’re doing it for the wrong (male-domination) reasons. I can’t imagine what will happen when millions of men will be aware about the imminent extinction.
I knew 40 years ago that males were destroying the world. Nothing was done to stop them. Females carried on appeasing them, (not blaming, just stating cause => effect ) so here we are.
Even ten years ago they could have been stopped. * Something * could have been salvaged. But no.
*Of course* it pisses me off. It breaks my heart.
My Original Being is Female. I am going Home. You young ones have been cheated. I weep for you, and with you.
I wonder whether women could have done something then had all radical feminists known it clearly. Probably not. Even if we’d had tried something more overt, it’s likely we would have been still too much of a minority for it to have any effect. Valerie Solanas was the only one whose overt writing about euthanasia made it to the public, look what happened to her.
Women didn’t manage to curb male domination back then, centuries or millennia ago, when their domination was increasing but they weren’t as all-powerful as they are now. We have historical evidence of women fleeing from, fighting back and killing abusive males as long as our history is recorded. Even just a century ago there were still many more women in Europe killing their abusive husbands because that was the only option they had, they couldn’t divorce, and control wasn’t as strong on women and on society as it is now. Nowadays, every fart and burp is recorded by three letter agencies, ffs.
True enough, WW.
The time to act was centuries ago.
It’s just been agonizing to watch it over the last so many decades. And, males have known about it for at least the last 40 years.
Even in pop culture: check out the lyrics to Neil Young’s “After the Goldrush”. ( look at mother nature on the run,
in the 1970′s )
Does any radical feminist think this NTHE thing is lies? do they think this information is credible? Not wrt the collapse of the monetary system or of the current patriarchy, but wrt the extinction of all life? I’d be interested to have your opinion. And uh-oh, hits spiking again. I wonder whether it was a good idea to publish this.
Certainly with respect to plant life. It’s not just the warming, it’s acidification.
My daughter ( who’s 46 ) and I were joking about pondscum smoothies just the other day.
Well we’re pretty much dependent on plants for oxygen are we.
Oh my gosh ww! Thank you for catching that. I hadn’t googled the term either. We RFs have been known to make up words to describe the horrors of men, so it didn’t stand out to me.
I’m on my way out the door, but at first read, I’m still at cognitive *headdesk facepalm shaking my head* Men! The bloody idiots finally did it! Argh!
And for everything that we eat. Not sure what the pondscum is going to do. :/ My daughter may be a bit optimistic there.
It is Possible, Isn’t it, that the Reason this is not being more Widely Discussed is that the Powers that Be (men) know how Males will react to it, because they know Men very well, being Men themselves. Men have already admitted in Various Contexts that if they Knew they could get Away with it, they would Rape women. At that isn’t even considering the Propagation of the Species justifications for Endless Male raping of Females that comes up literally Every Time the End of the World is mentioned or Thought of. And the Looting, and the Pillaging of every Pirate, Gang, Frat Boy, Bachelor Party, Post Apocalyptic, Pre-Apocalyptic Et cetera movie ever made.
Is this why Males are not talking about this so much? Because they know what Men will Do with this information, and that they will use it as an excuse to be More Male (males, unmodified by social controls)? Men are trying to hold the Lid on Boys and Men for as long as possible. And here Women and Feminists are, trying to Save males from themselves, and holding out Hope for men. If Women and Feminists are ever going to Wake Up, this would certainly seem to be the Time. I would also like to thank Bronte for bringing this Idea to the Table at this Time. It does seem to be the Piece we were Missing.
Here is Derrick Jensen of DGR (Deep Green Resistance, Lierre Keith’s organization) interviewing Guy McPherson just last Month. Derrick Jensen, self-proclaimed Radical Feminist male, does not mention specifically Male culpability, nor indeed does he Mention Men or Patriarchy one time. Even though people are listening to McPherson at this time, and the message is likely to be heard (while DGR itself has been no-platformed recently due to their stance on Gender) Jensen fails to use this opportunity to Introduce or Educate anyone on Radical Feminism, even though it’s relevant. Neither man mentions either Intercourse (PIV) or Rape, or what men are likely to do to specifically Females in this Disaster scenario.
http://prn.fm/resistance-radio-guy-mcpherson-041314/
Here is Guy McPherson writing for the Anti Feminist Misogynist MRA site Good Men Project, and the Article has a Pornographic Title.
http://goodmenproject.com/social-justice-2/social-justice-shades-of-existential-gray/
Looking into this even a Tiny Bit, you will indeed find Privileged Males talking about Suicide, Infanticide, and Culling the human population to manageable levels. Of course, they are not getting Rape and Death threats from Other men for speaking these Truths. Their suicide talk, from what I can tell, is as Predictably Narcissistic as men themselves. They plan to Travel, Leisure themselves and “Enjoy Life” until their Money runs out, and then Kill Themselves before it gets Really Bad. Using Sex (Rape Tourism) and Prostituted women during their Hedonistic going-out Party seems More than likely, although PIV and its role in the Overpopulation that is killing us in never mentioned once. They rhapsodize about the Morality of Infanticide during the End Times, but never vow to Stop Impregnating Women. One male has the Nerve to call himself and others like him Biophilic as they Whine and Whinge about the “Other Men” who have caused this, while some of them Repent their own Former and even Current (rather Unavoidable) ways of using Fossil Fuels and Plastic. They say Biophilic without an ounce of Irony, and never say Necrophilic Once. That word is apparently not in their vocabulary. They only Hint at it by using its Opposite (biophilic) which they apply to themselves! Even as they Continue Raping and Impregnating women as the Titanic is sinking.
For those who are Taking Notes, these are the Good Guys, the Ones who Get it. The Biophilic males. Relatively speaking, I guess?
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Guy_McPherson
This guy is a quack, the current evidence does not suggest his gloomy scenario. This is pseudoscience, if there was really so much proof this was going to happen the gov would tell us. Men want us around so they can abuse us.
Honestly I am really sick of seeing hard green injected into radical feminism.
blackmetalvalkyrie, what is “hard green”?
oh that’s a term used by rationalwiki:
@blackmetal, the only suspicion i would have wouldn’t be wrt “hard green” environmentalism as such or whatever term is used, but because it’s a man speaking and of course there is also a possibility he is lying or exaggerating or distorting. Well we already know he is distorting and lying in that he lies about male responsibility. I’m not a scientist and won’t ever have the time or money to be one at this stage, so I can’t verify the information for myself. I will have to look at all the links and sources closer, so I can see for myself and draw conclusions by myself with the material at hand. All this is very time consuming however.
But I think it’s also important to prepare ourselves to the possibility that this is true. Because it might well be. In fact now that more time has passed, and as a friend just pointed out to me, I realise that it doesn’t make any difference whether it’s going to happen now or in a century, whether patriarchy will collapse in this way or that. It of course makes a very big difference eventually but now, in my every day life, it doesn’t change much, how could it? What else or more can I do? i’ll just be even more careful not to burn myself out in anything, to enjoy in what i’m doing, and continue to do radical feminism at my small level and blog level.
It will really take away from your radical feminism if you believe everything is hopeless bc the world will end. Radical feminism is not small and womankind are not doomed. I am not defending rw, their article on Cathy Brennan and radical feminism are horrible but you can’t allow this pseudoscience to impact your life and politics so radically. Guy is a raving ass who needs to die.
To Address your Question Witch Wind, could this be a Hoax or does anyone think this is False, of course it Could Be, and Yes they Do. It is a bit Discouraging to see anyone Trust the Patriarchy to tell the Truth on such (or any) matters however, and on a Radical Feminist blog! There is much that can be Discussed, even if it is not empirically True, although Empirical Truth is our constant Enemy as Radical feminists isn’t it, considering the Source (men and males). We have Little Choice but to pick a side, one Group of Males over the Other, and make often life-altering Decisions based on that. This has always been a Problem for all Women and all Feminists. This is where our own Experience and Intuition can be used to tip the scales, if we aren’t sure. In my own case, I have Never been able to Imagine Myself as an Older Person. Even as a Very Young person, I could see myself Being (eventually becoming) my Parents age, but no Older. This was always a Gap in my Vision and my Imagination that seemed Odd to me, but it was Undeniable, as if there was simply Nothing there. So, when I read about the Possibility of NTE within the next 15 years, I Re-membered this about Myself. NTE is in fact Consistent with this Gap in Vision that has Always been with me. It does not Mean it’s Definitely going to happen, but there is a Consistency about it that goes Pretty Deep into my own Life and my own Memory, and my own Vision. It is Notable, and I took Note of it.
Radical Feminists have also been talking about Self Reinforcing Feedback Loops for some time, and this is a Central idea being discussed in NTE circles. In our case, we have spoken about Men and Patriarchy and how through men’s Sex and Violence against women, they have created too many Men and killed too many women. These same Too many men are continuing to use Sex and Violence against women which only causes the scales to tip even further, and this man-made (climate) change is not even relatively proportional or manageable anymore but Exponential and Unmanageable. So again, we see Parallels here that we can Take Note of and Discuss.
We can also Take note of the behavior of the Men involved in this movement, including Allegedly Feminist Male Allies and DGR in particular, where Derrick Jensen has utterly failed here in his Alleged mission to educate and integrate Radical Feminism with Environmentalism. We can extrapolate that this is because he is a Man, and that Men cannot be Radical Feminists, no matter what they say. The fact that DGR has taken a Leadership position within Radical Feminism can and Should be discussed in Light of this. We should make Note of the pervasive Necrophilia of all males, even the ones who claim to be Different, or even Remorseful, like Guy McPherson, who gives Pornographic Titles to his Articles about NTE and submits them to MRA websites like Good Men Project. These men aren’t Different and they aren’t Remorseful either.
There is Much that can come from this Discussion, and Shutting the conversation Down with “Trust the Government” is antithetical to this Happening. I hope this Discussion will happen, and that Women know know More about NTE, like Bronte who brought it up in the First Place, might Come Around and talk more about what they Know, and what has been Of Particular Note to them, and why.
yes, well this was really a gut response to what I had read, and now that I have more hindsight I realise that my feelings and thoughts are rapidly evolving. I’m also annoyed that I trusted a male point of view to this extent and shared it in this unmitigated way to women. I was going to add about McPherson, another aspect of his work seems to be his fascination for the complete annihilation of life on earth. It is almost as if he *wants* it to happen. There is no humanity in his statement or any empathy at all for the living beings that will die. He expresses no empathy for them at all. His view is cold and sadistic
I have never heard a man IN DGR say he was a feminist. I have always only heard men say they support radical feminism or they are an ally to radical feminism. I think they understand that delineation.
We can choose anti natalism and allow human to die off completely within 100 years of today. We can accelerate that by eliminating life-extending medical practices immediately. Let humans die off. Allow Earth to recover. A new “higher” life form being will evolve after us. It’s an easy solution. Just let go. Everybody dies, anyway. No one EVER “lives on” through their offspring. Dead is dead. We don’t have to kill people, let’s just stop saving lives and giving birth.
Tracy here is not criticising the men of DGR for calling themselves feminists when they aren’t, but criticising the “male allies” for failing even the tiniest efforts asked of them: throwing out the word patriarchy in appropriate context, naming men’s responsibility and male sexual violence and how it links to this global catastrophe. This really takes nothing to do it. If they were really genuinely male allies it would have been totally obvious to them to do this, but they didn’t. And the fact that they didn’t, and that when they do mention patriarchy it’s only in a context where the audience is more likely to be female and feminist, ie in front of feminist women whom they need to manipulate, well that shows the extent of their commitment to feminism.
also what do you mean by humans, and by letting them die? whatever men choose to do, women won’t have a choice in this. i think it’s a matter of how we accept mentally what they’re doing or not, if we decide whether it’s a lost game already or if there is still hope for the future of females. Again when we say ‘lets stop giving birth’, the agent here isn’t women who are used as womb machines by men. It is men who force women to give birth. If men force this on women it implies that women can’t decide to stop giving birth unless they free themselves from men.
but it’s interesting that you consider that we should “let go” and that you accept that everything will die off and start again. Had you already read about the NTE before this post? What do you think of them?
@ tracy, that’s an interesting point wrt to applying the notion of feedback loop on male anti-woman behaviour as a whole. it certainly works as an analysis of the reinforcing and exponential lethality of their system of domination. perhaps the difference with rape as the individual, primary form of destruction of women by men is that men could just stop raping and interacting with women now and that would have an immediate effect on women. Whereas this does not seem to be the case with the environment.
Noted
I think a large enough population of women do have access to birth control and abortion that we alone, as females, can stop producing, and be vocal about why. At a minimum, we should refuse to live birth males. They have fairly accurate pee strips women can use. It doesn’t have to be amniocentesis. If it’s male, abort. If it’s female let it live.
I have not read any NTE, will add that to the long and growing list.
I don’t think humans are so special that Earth and all other living beings will collapse without us. I believe the opposite, I believe all other life forms will thrive without our presence. I believe if we back out now, Earth can recover itself. It can heal. Over time, existing life forms will continue to evolve and change. It is possible that the changes could eventually produce a sapient being which is better developed to care for all life and live gently on Earth.
I have two children myself, I am not blame free. They were unintentional pregnancies (anti-biotics impact efficacy of Pill) I was guilted into birthing. They are incredible people, but they know they are accidents and they know I don’t want them to reproduce. They also understand it’s not personal, it’s not about them, it’s about Earth, it cannot support this population.
I am dying a slow death (kidneys). Actually, my active lifestyle and related body stress is accelerating my disease over what it would progress. I have refused medical treatment. I just can’t justify it. In the US, healthcare is a capitalistic industry. I won’t allow them to profit from me any more. Especially knowing the damage my existence does to Earth.
None of this means I do not think humans can recover, but we can only do that by eliminating, in large part, existing and future males. It has to happen. Men need to be told this: we will only breed daughters with you, and we will only breed when all daughters are already in safe, stable and loving homes. In the future, we may allow some males as breeding stock. There really is no other option.
Call me Valerie.
I thought you should know that my Women’s Studies prof uses your blog every week to illustrate insanity in the movement. She says that you represent everything that is wrong with women and likely suffer from mental illness. Personally, I’m hooked and have been reading your resources when I can. -tommy (female with a make name. Sigh. )
The collapse of the planet and identifying that men’s are the cause of it, is extremely fucking surreal! I see women so caught up in chains of patriarchy that their only concerns are their next date and female hatred.The dissonance to be able to identify men as their oppressors, as men’s behavior as even wrong, or men even having a behavior is extremely fucking unbelievable to me, to the point of general uncaring. THERE’S JUST SO MUCH FUCKING AMNESIA! I’ve grown to despise the scumpool of liberal male’s surrounding them, that any interactions I find myself having with them I find are insulting to them seeing as how I completely hate them inside.
Still talking about the end of the world, when there are so many ways I feel I’ve been growing as a radical feminist and a separatist doesn’t seem real to me. So, let me start to say, I was a DGR straw-rad fem before I became an actual radical feminist. As I became a real radical feminist, the propaghanda of DGR began to become clear. And while I still do love the earth, I realize that all along DGR and Derrick Jensen musn’t have be out to save the destruction of all life, they were out to save destruction of themselves and their property, and their land so they (men’s) could continue living and raping and stealing. It was never about truly dismantling the real system of destruction, which isn’t a highly destructive patriarchy called “civilization”, but men. That’s why DGR is so reactionary against biological essentialism, and never allow questioning on who’s ass they pull their bullshit ideas about “male gender socialization” from.Or answer logical questions like, who socialized the male? I think I’ve wrote a post about how I hate DGR. But environmentalism isn’t about saving the environment, it’s about saving men’s environment, and men’s women, to save men’s asses.
If men just disapeared I know that everyone else would go on living. I’m not an apocalypse fearer anymore. Because for some reason I have this vision that even If I were to die, I know that some female’s in whatever form would survive. Also, apocalypse mongering is about the men’s fear of their self imposed destruction. Their fine with destroying everything else, but when that destruction might threaten their ability to live, they want a resistance. It’s fucking classic.
Now If I ever get to step aside from the family problems I have to deal with, like my abusive and insane father manipulating my mother into putting him before everyone else and continuing to frustratingly believe in the Christian father, I might not punch a wall, and I might actually skim through the rest of the Guy Mcphearsefsrsf article. Which I am highly skeptical about.
* Also, I hope I don’t sound too angry or something in the above comment.When I talk about hating “them” in the first paragraph, I mean liberal men, not the women they surround and terrorize with their lies, reversals, and general mindfuckery.
Thing is you don’t have to be a scientist, you just find out what is the scientific consensus on an issue. This guy is that one random outlier advocating the opposite of what all established science says. Women don’t have the money or time to prepare for disaster. I did like your point on how male environmentalists say “humanity” including women is at fault for rape of the planet and its utter bullshit, I cannot support that movement. They are also too dense to understand GM crops are more sustainable than organic and global access could help with overpopulation bc scarwee chemicals. Chemophobic bullshit. Excuse me, I am not saying “trust the government” or shutting the conversation but all I see here is conspiracy theories.
“We can choose anti natalism and allow human to die off completely within 100 years of today. We can accelerate that by eliminating life-extending medical practices immediately. Let humans die off. Allow Earth to recover. A new “higher” life form being will evolve after us. It’s an easy solution. Just let go. Everybody dies, anyway. No one EVER “lives on” through their offspring. Dead is dead. We don’t have to kill people, let’s just stop saving lives and giving birth.”
I cannot stand this school of thought. Its sadistic, inhumane, unethical and disgusting. I doubt you would refuse medical care in immense suffering bc “the planet”. Anti-natalism simply blames women for men impregnanting them and society indoctrinating them into motherhood since birth. Mothering a child is a selfless and unrewarded job, it always has been. The anti-natalism “movement” is a mockery of mothers and it is misogynist. Your comment is ageist and misogynist, if you want to write such nonsense and insult the human species go on a radical environmentalist blog. Medically assisted childbirth has been one of the best things for the female human species, modern medical care is a marvel, however brutal its inception and historical sacrifice of female bodies it is done and has saved more female life than its taken.
global access to birth control sorry
Saying women are somehow a “lower” lifeform is misogynist, we have never been free enough to have our intelligence acknowledged. We’ve never had our chance to shine. You insult womankind. There is no need for a “higher” lifeform and if all humans died out there may never be an animal with our level of cognition, if there ever was it would take a long ass time obviously esp if you are saying it should evolve from bacteria. We are the higher lifeforms, what men have done and continue to do is not our fault and our species does not deserve to die for what men have done.
very good point skulldrix about men not caring about the planet but about their property, and also i’ll add the survival of their parasitic genes. It dawns on me too that men cannot possibly conceive of becoming extinct (as males) without everything dying with them, because they can’t conceive of life outside of them. his earth-as-a-future-mars-like vision makes sense from a male perspective.
In this sense, I certainly see how there’s more hope than what he says.
Re: “I believe all radical feminists should be preparing themselves now for what will be the collapse of civilization because the reality and inevitability of that is, perhaps, one of our blind spots: a dangerous one.”
Oh, dear. I am the Bronte who wrote the comments in question at W4′s and here. The above was meant for quiet reflection and strategizing: not despair. And I left out the most critical paragraph, which Alexis caught.
This: “It’s crucial to find women with whom to form a ‘coven’, a group of support and strengthening of energetic resources……I think groups of women will have the best shot at survival.” Thank you, Alexis, and a big hug. I hated writing the NTE comment under discussion- done with gritted teeth- because I understood the high possibility of the intent of the message being misunderstood.
Rather, it was meant as an attempt to create awareness in a small community rich in empathy, high intelligence, heart and soul- to anyone who wanted it- because, whether we like it or not, things are changing very rapidly in the world and they are going to change more.
“We live in dangerous times,” Mary Daly prefaced a few of her books: written decades ago. We live in more dangerous times today that will impact you wherever you are in the world and whether you ‘believe’ or not. I’m not interested in convincing anyone because the events will convince for themselves when they occur.
However, I don’t turn away from facing and examining possible future danger and strategizing how to deal with it because, from experience, I know the price is too high if I refuse to look. That price is shock and trauma which takes so long to dissipate and heal, the pain of betrayal and understanding that people and institutions you trusted were not trustworthy, and the dissociation that leads to costly mistakes. I lived almost my entire adult life with what I call Burkha Over The Brain amnesia of critical periods of my childhood – the usual variation on a theme story shared with millions of women around the world- so I refuse to fall into any form of dissociation today or ever again.
Re: “I didn’t really get the message, I thought, ‘Oh, well, this makes sense. I just hope females will survive. Until a friend, yesterday, told me what she had found by googling Near Term Extinction. I looked it up for myself. ” Witchwind.
I deliberately did not leave any links for NTE for that reason. As for the debated G. McP, I have never met him, I have no idea what he is like, I do not promote him, and I avoided using his name because I did not want anyone to receive the avalanche of “hits” that you are receiving.
He is no quack although he is an ‘outlier’ with no time for obfuscation. He could also be the most misogynist on earth but if his science is sound and his sources are credible then I listen with Merde Detector alarm set at high, I take notes and then independently research and analyze to reach my own conclusions. I spent a month examing all the links on his Climate Summary, pulling apart all the information and then putting it all back together again. Then I turned it all upside down and attempted to refute it. I could not because I care for truth too much and what he was writing was already familiar. I am not a scientist but I have studied economics.
The Externalities have come home to roost.
“Yes,” I finally admitted. “I’ve known this all along”,since childhood and the ever-present sensation of the “rules of the world” being wrong.
I apologize here for the length of this post and will have to continue with another one later.
Back when I could still watch the drek movies that Hollywood churned out, there was a James Bond movie called ‘Moonraker” that detailed a similar kind of death for life on Earth. I find it ironic that men have raped and murdered the planet, yet can be so cavalier in denying that there’s even much of a problem.
Climate change historian Nam Sung-ki notes that men are often more skeptical of science that indicates action that needs to be taken:
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/publications/observer/2013/april-13/the-mind-of-the-climate-change-skeptic.html
It’s even more evident that male-dominated industry has been the chief reason for the increase in temperature in the planet’s lithosphere, mesosphere, ionosphere and mantle. Whether the strife of the planet’s ill health are is the window womyn have been waiting for to reclaim their birthright from subjugation and PIV hegemony remains to be seen. But we can hope.
Hi witchwind,
thanks for opening space for this topic. The way I see it, yes, the global climate is fucked and it will soon lead to the institutions of patriarchy starting to crumble, with all the male violence that comes with it.
On the question of whether this planet will turn into another planet venus (mars is actually not a very “violent planet, I have read somewhere that the atmosphere around mars is very thin, so all energy mars emits immediately leaves its atmosphere, whereas venus is violently stormy because of its thick atmosphere which doesn’t allow energy to leave), I think that the earth is very resilient, and that if men would stop right now to drain her and rape her at every turn, her ecosystems might actually get repaired fairly “quickly.” However, it doesn’t matter if Earth will soon become completely inhabitable or if patriarchy will “only” crumble and very many people will die and some might survive – I still try to prepare for having to survive without civ infrastructure as much as I can. Part of this is finding women with whom to form a close group of syngergy, as well as learning as much as I can about permaculture, energy healing, making clothes… maybe thats naive, I don’t know. All i know is that the thought that this is soon going to end calms me and fills me with hope, because at least THIS necrophilia on steriods won’t go on.
This is why I think any kind of activism in the “accepted” sense is futile, why would we want to go on talking to me at all when we need ALL our focus and resources for ourselves and other women? I think this is an emergency situation, and any investment in the current society is lost energy. All we can do i think is to expel as much malesness from our lives as we can, find women to form a coven, learn as much as we can about survival, and feel for the Wave.
Have you read Daly’s quintessence? (the new version with the commentary by Annie?). She predicts that in 2018, women will syn-crone-ically go on a search for Lost and Found Continent.
Incidentally, I read recently that conservative scientific estimates predict a completely ice-free summer in the arctic (or antartic? or both). Anyway this means that a lot of sunlight will not be reflected anymore into the atmosphere and will instead be absorbed by the oceans whihc will accelerate all the feedback loops concenring climate, acidification of oceans etc. 2018!! It is estimated that 2016 will be the first summer when the pole caps won’t freeze completely.
It is uncanny that Daly also mentions the year 2018, I have this hunch that by 2018 it will be clear as day even to the now oblivious that civ is going to fall apart. Who knows, maybe this really is an opening for few women. I have no doubt that the overwhelming majority of humans on this earth won’t survive. I as yet have no plan how to deal with the expected completely wreaking of havoc of gangs of men who will be let loose without civ constraints like police and so on..it’s scary, but it’s also strangely hopeful to me.
I can relate to what you wrote concerning how everyhting feels so petty compared to this knowledge. I have felt this same way for a while, I can#t take anything seriously anymore, especially work. Everyone there is so invested in this reality, it seems insane to me to worry about stuff that simpley does not have any meaning in Background reality. Very hard to motivate myself to go on doing what I have to do to make a living for the time being.
What I worry about is the blackout of the internet which will inevitably come. Almost all of my radfem contacts are online, I often don’t even know their real names let alone addresses etc. Make me wonder, who will I turn to once the shit hits the fan? It’s scrucial to have women around us IRL, all women need to form covens now.
Edit: *why would we go on talking to MEN at all..
to clarify: scientists predict an ice-free pole summer by 2018. (i also write too fast… ;))
Well, you know how patriarchy will reply to this, don’t you? It’l be a case of “fuck it, why bother” which will not only hasten any coming catastrophe but make it’s passing a miasma of holocaust, rape and war.
And that said, if they stopped, to listen, then that passing would be at least in family, peace,contemplation, and love.
It isn’t males per-se, in a biological sense, after all, without them we’d not be here – it’s what maleness has done, because of patriarchy .
If only there’d been a matriarchy, if only we’d been the ones to choose when, and if, to breed.
There’d be fewer humans, and we wouldn’t be staring into the abyss.
I’m not a pagan. I don’t need to be. This was predicted in the Bible.
But still they didn’t listen.
I just hope it’s longer than 15 years.
global thinking is a mistake. men need to mind their business and stop reporting to us how we’re overpopulated (dammit wimmin) when the overlord men would love to have a planet full of slaves. so why are they killing us off but then want women to make more humans and despise those who refuse?
because it’s better for them that we have shorter lifespans and reproduce quickly. young strong bodies to reproduce, work til 40, and then get sick and die. that way we don’t have the time to learn anything or pass much on. fast turnover rate is key to quelling the growing rebellion.
speaking of life spans: how old would women live to be if men weren’t here? like to 200. and the experience would actually be pleasurable.
maybe in the highest levels of management, there’s disagreement right now. like the older overlords know they can get away with “enjoying life”, running around, spending all their money, and then just dying after a year or so of warm little opiate dreams. that’s called *getting away with it*. but the younger ones know they have to kill themselves or be killed. idk, just an emerging thought.
first it was “global warming”, then it was “climate change” and then “system change”. look, if the change is caused by humans, then which humans? the ones living in palatial estates and traveling in private jets. not us. the .000000000001% produce as much waste as the rest of us combined. always pay attention to stuff that exists in half-and-half like that. it’s a characteristic of critical mass.
i heard some liberal douche on npr talking about how he worked for the epa and had 2 gas guzzlers and proclaimed that “we’re going to have more kids”.
haha. yes. tell everyone the pizza is nasty so there’s more for you. at least that’s the male view. don’t you love doctors who abuse birthing women because she has more children than doc’s wife? super duper.
the only way the overlords won’t get away with it is if we catch up to them. we could do it overnight. code crackers could lead the way. the current structure keeps us at arm’s length from each other tho so we can’t put our heads together and blow em out of the water.
it’s not the number of people. it’s how closely they are packed together and how we are used as Human Resources by upper levels. the truth is written right into the corp(se)orate lingo. i proudly claim the title truther. because there is 0 way to use that root word to mean something bad. etymology is our friend even when the logos isn’t.
men like to dream the next phase of destruction and then say it’s already happened so we give in and accept it. they claim they have gestation machines. i’ll believe it when i see it. then i’ll destroy it.
i won’t even start on the globalist rainbow bullshit right now. except to say that it’s trying to allow an infinite SPECTRUM of “sexual preferences”.
sigh. we don’t need PIV for anything. the world would be better without it. anyone man wouldn’t be able to go celebate to save the world is a big fat misogynist.
Hi all, thank you for such insightful comments.
Bronte, thanks for commenting over here and de-lurking once again. Don’t worry, the despair has completely worn off by now and as I said earlier it does show to me that whatever the end outcome, current responses are the same: form IRL groups with trusted women, learn skills that would help for survival (healing, craft making, building, planting, clothe-making, soap-making etc) and calmly strategize for future. I don’t think this is naive at all, I think this is a very wise thing to do.
I’m glad you clarified your position wrt NTHE! It makes sense.
yes it’s funny i too had those thoughts about how we would be in touch once internet and technological devices such as the phone etc will no longer work. I will miss you sorely, including all my radfem friends who live far away from me. Even if we had each other’s adresses, distances are so far off that it would take months if not years to cross them by our own means!
I definitely think it’s important to keep print versions of our work, so we can continue to read it and share it with other women in a post internet world.
I’m afraid I can’t reply to all comments as I don’t have much time, although I would love to spin off several points which have been made. I will keep comments open until early next week probably. Please keep in your precious input, and will reply whenever time allows.
FYI, the hits aren’t with this post but still with the PIV one, as usual. Occasionally men decide to take it for another round of battering.