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BBC runs an article entitled "Reddit downgrades technology community after censorship", /r/technology reacts. (self.SubredditDrama)

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Maybe I'm just out of the loop, but to me it's seems pretty bad when I find out about this from an article on the BBC rather than in comments of existing articles. That's some seriously good censoring the mods have been doing.

You're completely out of the loop. This has been on the front page of /r/technology every single day for at least a week, if not two. It's been the main topic of discussion for this entire subreddit, as well as places like /r/undelete and /r/subredditdrama for a very long time, and there have been hundreds of threads about it.

Stickied posts are useless because they don't show up on the front page which is where, I shit you not, 88% of reddit traffic goes to exclusively.

The mods had this coming to them, there are better subs out there for getting news on what's new.

He said the list of censored words included: "National Security Agency", "GCHQ", "Anonymous", "anti-piracy", "Bitcoin", "Snowden" and "net neutrality".

Honestly, I would probably unsubscribe from this sub if it was littered with those topics.

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[–]ucstruct 221 ポイント222 ポイント

What these people want is techpolitics, not technology. Not that it matters, since being a victim is really the ultimate currency on reddit. Makes for good popcorn at least.

[–][deleted] 148 ポイント149 ポイント

Techgossip. Eventually, memes and ragecomics.

The irony: they actually just want Gawker.

[–]Googie2149 25 ポイント26 ポイント

/r/techgossip actually sounds like a good name for a subreddit

[–]BladeDancer190 6 ポイント7 ポイント

And now it is.

[–]mach-2 51 ポイント52 ポイント

Gawker is the chupacabra of Reddit. I'm not even sure if they exist anymore.

[–]seedypete 43 ポイント44 ポイント

Barely, the latest unasked-for and unwanted Kinja redesign is piss poor and all the commenters are up in arms over it.

Gawker basically keeps doing all the things Digg was doing right before Digg went belly-up. Apparently Nick Denton is really bad at pattern recognition.

[–]dutchposer 12 ポイント13 ポイント

I usually stick to deadspin but even they are becoming like gawker/jezebel. I stopped commenting when they got rid of starred commenters.

[–]seedypete 8 ポイント9 ポイント

I love Deadspin, but half the fun there was reading the comments and very few people are bothering to comment anymore because Kinja is such a clusterfuck. Even the Funbags don't get many responses anymore.

[–]hframz 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Stupid question, but can you explain a bit more about why Kinja is a clusterfuck? I only recently started reading Gawker and the rest again.

[–]seedypete 5 ポイント6 ポイント

It was first rolled out a few years ago and everyone hated it then, but with every new revision it just gets worse and worse. Right now it has this moronic feature called "highlights" that takes any post that gets a lot of responses and considers it a highlight, making it the top comment under every article regardless of how many or how few people click the recommend button. (Basically an upvote.) What sort of posts get the most responses? Troll posts, obviously.

So go to any random article in the Gawker network and the top highlight post will be "DAE think blacks and gays are inferior," zero recommendations, a million angry replies from people too dumb to realize they're just pushing it further to the top, so more people see it, so more people reply, so it goes stays there.

It also seems to sort posts based on some insane criteria I can't even begin to fathom, where replies get jumbled up in a completely random order. My response to your post would appear ABOVE it, and your question to me would appear a page away under someone else for no discernible reason. Makes it almost impossible to follow a conversation, not that any are happening. Normal posts have dropped in volume dramatically, 90% of what's left are the aforementioned obvious trolls and the people responding to them.

Meanwhile the ads keep getting more and more intrusive and the sponsored posts keep getting more and more numerous and better-disguised. Now giant autoplay ads with audio that are nearly impossible to close just appear and start blaring at you any time you click on an article.

[–]dutchposer 3 ポイント4 ポイント

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    [–]CantaloupeCamper 39 ポイント40 ポイント

    When I moderated a busy gaming forum.... being a victim was all there was when it came to moderation complaints.

    EVERYONE had no clue what they did to incur the mods wrath.

    They were fine upstanding members of the community.

    And then if you asked enough questions you got them to outright say how they had a dozen accounts they used to spam that guy who liked that console that he shouldn't like with a bunch of porn and racist shit..... and were told that was exactly the reason why they were banned.

    But victim....

    Granted I've no idea what is up or isn't on reddit but I'm always a bit skeptical as in my experience the most sleazy, unreliable, dishonest folk on internet communities are the ones bitching about everyone else's bias and etc.

    [–]beanfiddler 30 ポイント31 ポイント

    Well, isn't that what /r/EverythingScience has become? IMO, the "Science Summaries of the Week" they run are a little, uh, euphoric, for my tastes, but whatever.

    I'm thinking that /r/technology is just shit-tier top-to-bottom, and there's too many other subs that do what they think they do way better. Nothing of value is lost with them off the defaults.

    [–]CountofAccount 9 ポイント10 ポイント

    Can you list some of the better tech subs?

    [–]beanfiddler 26 ポイント27 ポイント

    /r/TechNewsToday, /r/TrueTechnology are the only general-themed ones. Otherwise, it's more useful to go more specific and hit /r/hardware, /r/software, /r/programming, /r/gamedev, /r/buildapc, /r/webdev or whatever you're specifically looking for.

    Gawker's supposed to be the fucking enemy or whatever, but io9.com isn't bad either.

    [–]AdamJames2000 39 ポイント40 ポイント

    /r/TrueTechnology - 8 posts in 2 years with 60 readers. thx for the advice.

    [–]demengrad 3 ポイント4 ポイント

    I noticed that too. I was excited when I saw the subreddit name, but then realized why I never heard about it.

    [–]sodoh 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    That's because it's a subreddit for a news blog, and not the subject matter.

    Personally I use /r/tech and /r/gadgets.

    [–]Werner__Herzog 7 ポイント8 ポイント

    /r/gadgets looks interesting too. Really one should use multies, that way you can put /r/Android or /r/apple or whatever interests you...

    [–]ucstruct 10 ポイント11 ポイント

    /r/buildapc is a fantastic community that offers a bit of news type stuff.

    [–]pmsingwhale 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    That sub usually is more about helping people out with their own computers but most active users will keep up with hardware news so you can probably ask for info and someone will direct you to the right articles.

    [–]livefreeordont 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    is /r/tech any good?

    [–]Aurailious 6 ポイント7 ポイント

    Its the up and coming sub that wants to do what /r/technology should be. The /r/trees, if you will, of this drama.

    [–]BWalker66 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    It's also being promoted on the front page by Reddit itself, i think it like doubled in users in the last 24 hours(almost 25k now, was 15k not long ago), so i guess this is going to be the new big technology sub.

    [–]erquin_marvort 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Its the up and coming sub that wants to do what /r/technology should be.

    Yet like every single other "better than r/technology" subreddit that everyone suggests, r/tech features the same mix of topics that r/technology currently does, except with maybe 1/2 - 1/4 as much spam and conspiracy theories from the people who now hate r/technology, and nothing in its rules bans politics in the way that the "they just want to be r/technologypolitics!" set demands that r/technology do.

    [–]Aurailious 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Yeah, already I've seen people complain that /r/tech isn't covering certain "political" topics. I think it was about the BBC story on reddit. That really isn't tech, thats tech politics.

    So I am not sure anything will change.

    [–]beanfiddler 5 ポイント6 ポイント

    No idea. I don't really use reddit for news of any sort, technology or otherwise.

    [–]PasswordIsntHAMSTER 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    What do you even use it for, outside of drama and bean fiddlin'

    [–]beanfiddler 8 ポイント9 ポイント

    Game of Thrones, tits, pictures of cats, gifs of shit I can't unsee.

    [–]Werner__Herzog 2 ポイント3 ポイント

    Well it is run partly by the karmanaut gang, so you should put that into consideration...

    btw can anyone link me to that comment, I can't find it anymore

    nevermind, I found it

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      [–]Werner__Herzog 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      yes

      [–]esquilax 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      Oh dear god. >_<

      [–]BipolarBear0 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      Karmanaut is on the jorts life.

      [–]coboloboc 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      im tuff

      can i be member of karmanaut violence gang?

      [–]erquin_marvort 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      TechNewsToday's front page features multiple stories that people complain about seeing on r/technology and which were among those banned by the now-removed moderators.

      [–]lifestyled 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      /r/technologyrebooted

      [–]ffffffpony 8 ポイント9 ポイント

      I was expecting that sub to be a bunch of videos of people rebooting computers and other devices..

      [–]gonzolahst 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      I like how it has the word "gyre" in the middle.

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          [–][deleted] 12 ポイント13 ポイント

          It's why I unsubbed in the first place. Every time I would add a new circlejerk keyword to the RES filter, another would pop up, and it would only be tangently related to technology. When the Oculus Rift-Facebook buyout went down, that made up like half the page on that sub and once I RES filtered that it was nothing but dead articles and comment sections that had already gotten bumped to the next page.

          Auto-Moderator is about the only thing that could save that place, maybe.

          [–]Drando_HS 3 ポイント4 ポイント

          Is there a /r/TechPolitics?

          EDIT: yep.

          Aaaaaaand it's dead. Fuck.

          [–]IAmSupernova 7 ポイント8 ポイント

          It was recently requested by /u/GodofAtheism.

          http://np.reddit.com/r/redditrequest/comments/232dmg/requesting_rtechpolitics_current_moderator_has/

          [–]oftenBlunt 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          How does that normally work? it's dead right, the current and only mod does not appear to have been active for two+ years, does it usually take a week or more for this kind of transfer to take place?

          [–]IAmSupernova 2 ポイント3 ポイント

          Last time I did a request it was a little over a week. A few months ago I saw where krispykrackers (the admin who takes care of requests) said she was backed up about 10 to 13 days with requests.

          The most recent request she handled was submitted 18 days ago, though. Seems pretty backed up.

          I've always been able to get a quick reply by messaging her, though. I'm sure GoA will follow up on it.

          [–]oftenBlunt 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          Cool, thanks for the educatin'

          [–]HeartyBeast 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          I'm not sure. What I would like is both - solid tech, but also a place that can handle it when technology and politics or law, or social policy collide. Ars can handle it, I'm not sure why /r/technology can't.

          The key is keeping the mix diverse. Surely when a big, controversial topic hits, the mods could just create an 'Official Discussion' post - and delete the others.

          [–]Canada_girl 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          Technoconspiracy.

          [–]jawathehutt 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          But only if it's politics they agree with.

          [–]thismy3rdaccount 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          Why isn't there a internet/technology politics subreddit yet?

          [–]logicloop 24 ポイント25 ポイント

          There already is. It's /r/technology

          Except instead of watching a daytime drama, it's like actually being IN a daytime drama.

          [–]OtherBurnWard 42 ポイント43 ポイント

          A SOPA Opera.

          [–]Cobalt_88 6 ポイント7 ポイント

          Strong work.

          [–]ghosthendrikson 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          It deserves a run on Broadway.

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            [–]ghosthendrikson -1 ポイント0 ポイント

            I tip my fedora in your general direction sir.

            [–]Keanununocitum 78 ポイント79 ポイント

            I always find it funny how users act as if reddit is a democracy wherein moderators have some form of accountability. This is completely false- it comes down to whoever makes a subreddit first; they can do whatever they want with it.

            [–]Robby5566 101 ポイント102 ポイント

            And the thing is, that knife cuts both ways.
            Any member, any single one, could at any moment make "technologyrebooted" a thing. They could be the first one there, and rule a little slice of cyberspace exactly how they see fit. But none of them want to do that. That's work. You gotta create the sub, market the sub, try to bring in a regular, dedicated userbase, all that work

            Whereas commenting about how SOCRATES DIED FOR THIS SHIT takes two seconds, then someone else has to do the work.

            How many Redditors does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Just one. He holds it in the socket, calls the mods shit, and waits for the world to revolve around him.

            [–]brogresspic 29 ポイント30 ポイント

            it's hilarious to me that a community with a stereotype for laziness is probably the only one to successfully relaunch a new major sub when they hated the mods of the previous dominant sub: /r/trees

            [–]Eirh 21 ポイント22 ポイント

            There is also /r/ainbow. It was way more popular than /r/lgbt for a long time.

            [–]Leprecon 1 ポイント2 ポイント

            They are still basically equally popular. The total subscribers favors /r/lgbt, but they usually have similar current active users.

            [–]Drewx 1 ポイント2 ポイント

            /r/squaredcircle is another one that spawned from a shitstorm in /r/prowrestling.

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              [–]Wazowski 6 ポイント7 ポイント

              This is my favorite comment of the day.

              [–]citysmasher 2 ポイント3 ポイント

              Any member, any single one, could at any moment make "technologyrebooted" a thing.

              Damn I was about to do that for the reasons just described and it was made 3 days ago. time to make a /r/technologyrebootedrebooted a thing

              [–]Robby5566 12 ポイント13 ポイント

              Don't worry, wait for the r/technologyrebooted moderator to do literally anything, and watch the community immediately implode. You could be the next big thing.

              [–]autocorrector 7 ポイント8 ポイント

              Banned.

              [–]cuddles_the_destroye 2 ポイント3 ポイント

              Banned for using that word, the correct term is "benned," as we are SRS-lite now.

              [–]autocorrector 6 ポイント7 ポイント

              b&

              [–]CIV_QUICKCASH 2 ポイント3 ポイント

              /r/tech

              [–][deleted] 1 ポイント2 ポイント

              The knife cuts both ways like a chef's knife.

              One side is much sharper than the other. In fact, one side doesn't cut much of anything.

              Also, can't help but note that the vast majority of mods, on the vast majority of >100k subs are there because they created the sub, marketed the sub, tried to bring in a regular, dedicated userbase, all that work!! they're in an irc channel with their buddy.

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                [–]Honestly_ 6 ポイント7 ポイント

                Those early sub creators are like reddit's very own Russian oligarchs :)

                [–]Karenx1914 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                I always find it funny how users act as if reddit is a democracy wherein moderators have some form of accountability. This is completely false- it comes down to whoever makes a subreddit first; they can do whatever they want with it.

                Really? I've found that EVERYONE understands the later and they're just expressing outrage that the admins haven't changed it to the former.

                [–]fernsauce 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                It seems pretty reasonable to think that the first come first serve type of thing can be rather absurd and lead to lowered quality for reddit as a whole. I don't think most people necessarily want a democracy, just a place where it's slightly more difficult to make things shitty by being a lazy asshole.

                [–]altosux29b 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                it comes down to whoever makes a subreddit first; they can do whatever they want with it.

                It's funny how SRD keeps regurgitating this and at the same time lashing out against top mods like skeen/max/qg***.

                [–]Keanununocitum 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                I can assure you I have never lashed out at mods. I only visit SRD every once in a while.

                [–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                ...freedom to moderate doesn't mean freedom from consequences !!

                [–]willyolio 15 ポイント16 ポイント

                /r/technews. a decent, if a little sparse, alternative.

                [–]bumingbai 11 ポイント12 ポイント

                nice try shill!

                [–]PhillyGreg 64 ポイント65 ポイント

                It's laughable that this is considered news.

                Here's a test you can try at home. Try to explain this story to a friend in a casual setting. See how far you get into your explanation (include such details as automoderator...power mods...default subreddits) before you become embarrassingly aware how unremarkable this all is...and then you change the subject.

                [–]megustadotjpg 53 ポイント54 ポイント

                It's under BBC's technology section, I don't see the problem here.

                After all, the subreddit has 3 million subscribers.

                [–]PhillyGreg 17 ポイント18 ポイント

                It's under BBC's technology section, I don't see the problem here.

                The article leans too heavy on the "censorship" angle. That makes it sound way more important that "moderator meta drama."

                After all, the subreddit has 3 million subscribers.

                That's not a very good indicatior. It's doesn't account for throwaway accounts...and other user abandonment.

                About 250k people see /r/technology everyday

                [–]Aurailious 7 ポイント8 ポイント

                When a sub is defaulted, the number of subscribers becomes irrelevant because the choice to subscribe is removed. It'd be nice if there was a better way of handling defaults and new accounts didn't automatically add to the subscriber count.

                [–]PhillyGreg 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                What they should do...is once you sign up for an account...Reddit wants a list of what you are interested in...and then gives you suggestions. Like, type in games...and they give you /r/games or /r/gaming, etc. It would act as an initial lesson, on how to find subreddits.

                Whatever...throw that one onto the pile other at /r/ideasfortheadmins. I won't hold my breath.

                [–]aco620 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                It's already been on the pile. Their current method of just subscribing you to the defaults isn't a very good way of exposing people to all the different subreddits (although checking /r/all or the random button help), but the admins don't want to implement things that slow down the integration process. As it is right now, signing up for a reddit account is fast an easy. If you suddenly have to fill out a questionnaire or see pop ups asking for info about your interests, you're going to get bored, suspicious, or decide it isn't worth your time.

                I'm not saying I'm opposed to trying an alternate method that might be better in the long run, but that's the reasoning behind the current method.

                [–]Aurailious 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                I think it should be the way it currently is, but you are "shadow" subscribed to the defaults. In this way, it appears to you that you're subscribed and they show on your front page, but you aren't registered that you are subscribed.

                Maybe just open that choice against every sub you can can choose to add to the count or not. Say wanting to watch /r/bitcoin, but not really wanting to be a part of it.

                [–]redtaboo 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                This is actually how it does work currently. When you create an account your front page is the default set however you aren't counted as a subscriber until you make some sort of change in your subscriptions. So if for instance a new user signed up and never subscribes or unsubscribes to anything none of the defaults will count them in their numbers. If however that user makes any change (unsubbing from a default or subbing to a random subreddit) then all the defaults they still show as subscribed to go up one subscriber.

                Giving users the choice to "shadow subscribe" to other subreddits is an interesting idea, but I kind of feel like multi-reddits fulfill that in a way.

                [–]Aurailious 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                Interesting, TIL.

                [–]Gramernatzi 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                IIRC you only get added as a subscriber to a default once you actually visit it. Still, the numbers mean a lot less.

                [–]Sugusino 10 ポイント11 ポイント

                4 million uniques per month is hardly nothing.

                [–]PhillyGreg 6 ポイント7 ポイント

                Its also a lot of people, who have no idea that they are even on /r/technology...and a lot of "drive-by users" who don't really involve themselves in the community

                Look at the traffic for politics. Traffic sliced in half the instant it went off default (around the middle of July).

                It's been bleeding net subscribers ever since

                [–]TheRedditPope 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                Also don't forget that your smart phone, work computer, and tablet are different IP addresses and count as unique visitors.

                [–]Sugusino 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                That's good. politics was a piece of shit.

                [–]ONE_GUY_ONE_JAR -1 ポイント0 ポイント

                The funny part is that the censorship has little to do with the drama and undefaulting. If anything, it was the lack of censorship, i.e. lack of mods and consensus on rules.

                [–]jjrs -1 ポイント0 ポイント

                About 250k people see /r/technology everyday

                The only reason its 250k lately is because it was delisted. Before that it was more like 400-500k.

                [–]PhillyGreg 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                on what date are you seeing 400-500 unique viewers?

                [–]jjrs 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                Oh, thought you meant page views. 250k-ish a day is still pretty impressive considering those are the ratings of most cable TV news shows, though.

                [–]Kar98 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                Well it does have some drama. Popular website where links are posted, then suddenly it's revealed that the ones running it are censoring stuff! Users are outraged and call for removal of mods, but the mods can't be removed, so it becomes a power struggle between the users and the mods.

                Power struggles are a staple of news reading, it just happens that the stakes are terribly low

                [–]GrickitAdmins beware: the user that broke intortus's back 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                The worst part is that the headline is very either misleading or misinformed. It's technically true. The word-list happened and then the un-defaulting happened, but they make it sound like the former was the cause.

                What did they title their /r/atheism article? "Reddit downgrades atheism community after death of Socrates"? Technically true!

                So not only is it this incredibly mundane thing, they can't even explain it properly.

                [–]remzem 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                A website that attracts millions of page views a day and therefore has a lot of influence (up there with twitter) on what topics even news giants like the bbc decide to focus on and publish and also a lot of influence on what news millions of people are going to see is no longer viewable for any user that doesn't already have an account or access it directly. I think most of my non tech friends would get why that's news worthy.

                [–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                Still a lot of influence, but probably not millions each day. They have 5 million subscribers. Only a fraction of those people are on reddit at any given time, and only a fraction of those people on reddit are going to choose to read something from that subreddit while browsing the site. And if you're a new user only subscribed to the defaults, there's a good chance you may be subscribed to /r/technology, but you're just going to be browsing through the pages opening up the images to laugh at the advice animals and cute doggies.

                Even their top all time post only has 3,000 comments. You could point out that the lurkers vastly outnumber the active commenters, but that's still not even remotely close to millions.

                [–]relic2279 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                but probably not millions each day.

                TIL mod here, we're nearly identical in size to /r/technology and see around 2 million pageviews a day. They were almost certainly seeing millions of hits per day (till they were undefaulted, that is).

                [–]jjrs 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                TIL mod here, we're nearly identical in size to /r/technology[1] and see around 2 million pageviews a day.

                Yeah, but you guys have a subreddit people actually really like. Only reason they have the same subscriber base as you is because of the default.

                From what I'm seeing /r/technology was doing about 500k a day before it was delisted. That's definitely big enough to get attention from the outside media, but nowhere near your own numbers.

                [–]relic2279 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                /r/technology was doing about 500k a day

                Oh, I didn't know they made their traffic logs public. Wow, that is quite a significant difference in traffic between 2 defaults. I stand corrected.

                [–]remzem 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                The news sites don't really care if you're actually browsing /r/technology or not though. Anyone on the frontpage that follows a frontpaged /r/technology link to their website is still giving them traffic. So it's still probably higher than that. I'm sure a lot of people that go to the frontpage don't make accounts or comment but still read news and articles from the defaults.

                [–]loldilawl2 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                Oh ffs, cmon. I know theres a tendency to write reddit sheninigans off as "lel internet is srs bizness, amirite?" but get fuckin' real. This site is mainstream and massive and while it might be struggling to turn a profit for itself, it literally funnels massive profits to virtually any site that manages to get its content on the front page. This is kind of news, no matter how absurd, silly, and juvenile it is.

                [–]ghosthendrikson 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                WHAT?!?! ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME BEING ON REDDIT NO LONGER MAKES ME UNIQUE!?!?!?!?!

                [uncontrollable fedora shaking intensifies]

                [–]PhillyGreg 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                it literally funnels massive profits to virtually any site that manages to get its content on the front page.

                That's a great point. There needs to be some kind of moderation system...that removes blogspam and low content posts, from ever tapping into this river of money.

                [–]jjrs 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                Here's a test you can try at home. Try to explain this story to a friend in a casual setting.

                A few years ago it would have sounded stupid to even mention, but now that reddit is a top 50 website and /r/technology has industry people following it, it's much easier to understand why people care. Here's the nutshell version:

                "So there's this huge website that has a tech section with 5 million subscribers, right? They put a ban on all stories about Tesla, and didn't tell any of the readers. Then the editors got into a big public fight and started banning one another's accounts over it."

                The mods and complaining users are as petty as ever, but the huge viewership they have puts the pettiness into a whole other context. You would completely understand the interest if this was happening on the Time's website's tech section. But the crazy thing is reddit probably gets a lot more traffic than Time does these days. Things have changed.

                [–]PhillyGreg 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                It's more like

                "Any story with the word Telsa was automatically flagged for removal, because the most of Reddit loved to Circlejerk these stories , they weren't "technology related" (stories about car fires, stock price) and they were usually from blogspam websites posted over and over over.

                ...but that's besides the point because /r/technology was removed as a default because the moderators tried to blame each other, instead of explaining or remedying the situation. The admins don't give a shit what is automatically removed. They removed /r/technology because the moderators really don't like each other...and were removing and adding each others moderator permissions for a couple days, all the while looking really juvenile in the process...and I'm feeling dumber for actually typing this so I'll stop"

                [–]jjrs 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                Yeah, but who would ever go into that much detail with someone who didn't read reddit? From the general public's perspective, it's just a huge tech website that didn't allow stories about Tesla anymore. At the end of the day that's what people take away from it.

                Sure, you can go into agonizing, tedious detail about how the site works and what the justification for doing it was. But you can do that with any news story.

                [–]PhillyGreg -1 ポイント0 ポイント

                Yeah, but who would ever go into that much detail with someone who didn't read reddit?

                You're right, it's better to make up your own story about it...or even better...not talk about it at all in real life.

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                  [–]CpsLck 32 ポイント33 ポイント

                  I think they should ban tools like AutoModerator on reddit. That is a one-stop shop for censorship. When /r/technology[1] started immediately deleting articles containing anything to do with NSA then that was way out of line.

                  It wouldn't be hard to have a "view AutoModerator filters for this subreddit" button on the sidebar. That would completely do away with the problem.

                  Seriously? Removing spam is now censorship?

                  [–]boom_shoes 20 ポイント21 ポイント

                  But censorship=bad. So if I accuse people of censorship, I make them look bad.

                  "Censorship" is becoming almost a mid-90's business buzzword around here. Along with "synergy", it's losing all meaning.

                  [–]Dubzil 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                  But censorship=bad. So if I accuse people of censorship, I make them look bad.

                  You say that sarcastically as if censorship really isn't bad?

                  [–]pattycigs 11 ポイント12 ポイント

                  I think they're more saying that this isn't really censorship than that censorship isn't bad.

                  [–]boom_shoes 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                  Yes, censorship is bad. But what we're talking about here, keeping a subreddit on the topic of technology and not the politics of technology, doesn't involve 'censorship'. It's moderation, pure and simple. If you want an unmoderated community head on over to /b/

                  [–]Dubzil 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                  Blatantly banning everything with the word 'Tesla' is not moderation, that's censorship.

                  [–]Submitten 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                  Censorship implies malice though. It's wrong to claim they we're censoring things IMO.

                  [–]workerbree 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                  right, censoring spam is in no way bad whatsoever really

                  [–]TheRedditPope 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                  Or censoring a million other things that mods remove and and every day and have been for year. Things like: child porn, doxxing, death threats, direct personal insults, completely off topic posts like if I submitted a story about who won March Madness to /r/Technology by mistake--the list goes on and on and on and on.

                  I have AutoMod scan for comments that say "go kill yourself" and have it auto remove those comments and send me a message. I check the context of the comment to see if it's a false positive and if not I'll usually ban the commenter or give them a warning. AutoMod is great for stuff like this and so much more. I don't think it's going anywhere any time soon. The people who work for free for the admins to remove spam would be pretty pissed if the very limited tools they do have here compared to other sites were eroded further. If the admins took away AutoMod the mods on reddit would flip their script and as you can see from the tech situation, mod drama is not beneficial to anyone.

                  [–]Drando_HS 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                  Depends on what'e being censored.

                  See Canada's Hate Speech laws versus the US's "pure" Freedom of Speech.

                  [–]AC4 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                  US still bans inciting riots and stuff like yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre

                  [–]catmoon 13 ポイント14 ポイント

                  view AutoModerator filters for this subreddit

                  Bear in mind that publishing the filters makes them extremely easy to circumvent (i.e. pointless).

                  Most subreddits don't use automod in the same way that /r/technology does. It's mostly used to flag bad content to be quickly reviewed by an actual person, and to remove blatant racial and homophobic epithets.

                  You'd be surprised how much certain words are used on reddit that are never see the light of day thanks to automod.

                  [–]marm0lade 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                  Removing spam is called moderation. Banning any submission with the word Tesla/NSA/ISP/etc/etc is censorship. Everyone here knows which one they were doing.

                  [–]remzem 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                  Seriously? Removing every single article containing multiple popular key words is now removing spam?

                  [–]Thyrotoxic 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                  Its so cute when redditors think they have any say over what the mods do on their own subs.

                  [–]aco620 8 ポイント9 ポイント

                  Looks like we've got a full on witch hunt brewing. Started with just people talking about maxwellhill, qgyh2, and anutensil. Scrolling down I see agentlame getting thrown into line for the guillotine along with davidreiss666, then there's bipolarbear0 and hansjens74 who "plays god in /r/politics," and even some people that want to ban automoderator!

                  We're having a moderator fire-sale folks! All mods must be fired, then lit on fire!

                  [–]GoodNewsBitcoin 33 ポイント34 ポイント

                  This is actually good news for bitcoin

                  [–]Tired_of_this_7 10 ポイント11 ポイント

                  Every single time......

                  [–]SocialistRabbit 10 ポイント11 ポイント

                  Literally every post in SRD has this at the top now. It's getting kinda old.

                  [–]somegurk 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                  Your right bu it still makes me giggle sometimes depends what the drama in question is.

                  [–]75000_Tokkul 20 ポイント21 ポイント

                  And as I have said before. News stories like this are what will finally force the admins to remove mods in communities when they step out of line. Removing at as a default still gives them the power over the /r/technology name where people will instinctively look for technology news.

                  This makes the site look bad and will make some people decide to not advertise here who were planning to before.

                  [–]buzzkillpop 18 ポイント19 ポイント

                  News stories like this are what will finally force the admins to remove mods in communities when they step out of line.

                  If 5 years of news stories on reddit haven't forced admins to remove undesirable mods, I doubt the chances of it happening in the future are any better. Keep in mind that this is an article about an admin response. They already acted and BBC is reporting on it after the fact.

                  This makes the site look bad and will make some people decide to not advertise here who were planning to before.

                  The admins said that the jailbait drama resulted in 0 advertisers pulling their ads. If that didn't cause harm, I doubt anything will.

                  You know the old saying "any publicity is good publicity" or "there is no such thing as bad publicity"? There's merit to that statement. This is especially true on the internet where attention spans are at their lowest and memory is short. Reddit doesn't actively advertise off the site (as far as I know), so news stories like this are a gold mine for them, even if they're negative in nature.

                  [–]istilllkeme[S] 29 ポイント30 ポイント

                  The problem is that the admins like the plausible deniability of being able to throw their hands up and say "Mods run their own communities" when censorship dramas brews up, that's why /u/kn0thing bailed right when this word list came around if you ask me.

                  What really makes the site look bad is admins failing to uphold the free flow of information as a standard for moderators, that is what really needs to change if this medium wants to avoid a v4.

                  [–]WithoutAComma 9 ポイント10 ポイント

                  Decent chance kn0thing bailed because of a potential conflict of interest between the official policy of no interference and his status as both a founder and a forum moderator. It was a good move from his and reddit's perspectives, IMO.

                  Even if they ultimately choose to amend the policy I doubt they want the resulting discussion/drama to flow through him.

                  [–]Aurailious 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                  I hardly heard him mentioned in the drama. His name never really came up at all when agentlame and others posted the events leading up to it. Maybe it was coincidence, but ultimately he probably had nothing to do with it. Probably bailed because there was no reason for him to stay, and many reasons for him to leave. The word list may have just drawn his attention that he was still a mod there and reminded him to leave.

                  [–]ONE_GUY_ONE_JAR -1 ポイント0 ポイント

                  The timing is too convenient

                  [–]WithoutAComma 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                  Too convenient to be what? Not sure I understand.

                  [–]Gusfoo 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                  This makes the site look bad and will make some people decide to not advertise here who were planning to before.

                  I was with you up to that bit. What currents of emotion happen to be playing out across the comments sections have no bearing on linky clicky rates.

                  [–]75000_Tokkul 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                  You run ads on reddit paying by view now, used to be per day. Let's say your target is tech savy people.

                  So say you put enough money for 40,000 views. Before the /r/technology censorship you could get basically 40,000 targeted views to readers of the subreddit.

                  This news story on the BBC brings in people just looking at the site to see the censorship, not the target audience. You have people from other parts of reddit going there to complain, not the target audience.

                  Very quickly your views that you paid for are gone without reaching nearly as many targeted people as you hoped.

                  The old system would have meant extra views for your money making any news good news if it brought people in.

                  Before the ad change I would agree that this affects nothing. Now it is actually extremely important.

                  [–]catmoon 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                  That's not how reddit is set up to operate.

                  That would be like Facebook administrators removing your crazy aunt from her Cupcake Sundays group. Sorry ma'am, you're not fit to manage this Facebook group.

                  The admins will keep changing the default subreddit list to highlight the best subs, but they don't have an interest in appointing moderators to any subs. The only thing they do is remove inactive mods to keep things from looking like Detroit when people stop maintaining a sub.

                  [–]nwestnine 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                  Yep. I'd be nice if Admins simply stated "We don't remove Mods (for reasons you stated). It's up to them to step down or not. If they do not step down and you're still unhappy, then go spend your energy building up a new sub. If the new sub has consistently good quality and community, then we will consider making it a default"

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                    [–]_watching 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                    The mods are censoring this news!

                    There's literally a sticky post on it

                    THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE

                    haha what even is going on

                    [–]duckwantbread 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                    Whilst words like NSA and Snowdon seem justified in being removed, 'Tesla Motors' is relevant to technology, and so if you start removing it without telling anyone that it is censorship. I'm sure the reason it became banned was because it was the only thing making the front page (I think, not subscribed so may be wrong,) which lowers the quality of articles on /r/technology the problem is that the mods didn't tell anyone about it until they were caught out, which allows the conspiracy theorists to run wild with stories about how the government or the oil industry or whatever has bribed the mods. All this drama could have been avoided with a simple sticky post from the mods saying something like 'hi guys we've been flooded with Tesla Motors and NSA articles recently and would like to give other areas of technology a chance to feature on the subreddit, therefore we are imposing a temporary ban on these topics.'

                    [–]bryntheskits 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                    The banning of Tesla and subsequent revelation is what led to all of this, the top comment here says

                    What these people want is techpolitics, not technology.

                    I really don't see what Tesla Motors has to do with politics.

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                    [–]Defengar 13 ポイント14 ポイント

                    I like how the guy who wrote the article is taking suggestions from the thread about stuff to add to the article. Some real professional journalism right there... /s

                    [–]boom_shoes 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                    It's right up there with "people on twitter are suggesting..." And "the buzz on tumblr is that...".

                    Unfortunately I've heard both PF these things on mainstream news :(

                    [–]seedypete 10 ポイント11 ポイント

                    Hell, that's pretty much 90% of CNN's content nowadays.

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                      [–]Lieutenant_Rans 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                      "Several members of /r/subredditdrama, a hub for those wanting to watch internal conflicts across reddit, chimed in with their own analysis on the /r/technology affair and how it related to other internet phenomena. According to one redditor, 'This is actually good news for Bitcoin.'"

                      [–]Pharnaces_II 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                      I don't think I would see it as sad, but since he didn't even reach out to the mods for comment it's hard to think he was actually trying to write a thorough piece.

                      [–]ygody 5 ポイント6 ポイント

                      As if he would get a real response from the top mods there.

                      [–]Pharnaces_II -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

                      I would hope that a good reporter would at least try and just write "The moderators did not respond to the BBC's request for a comment" or whatever. Don't be hasty and all that.

                      [–]TryHarder42 3 ポイント4 ポイント

                      "The Moderators" haven't responded to anything!

                      qgyh2,maxwellhill, anutensil are absolutely silent, so far as to even stop some of their usual link spamming activities (showing that they know things are bad) but have yet to RESPOND.

                      You think they will talk to the BBC while they can't even respond to a sub they mod?

                      Their silence is the ENTIRE, I repeat THE-FUCKING-ENTIRE problem.

                      [–]RogueX7 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                      Hey, a /r/technology mod In the wild. I like you, but I hope you realize that being transparent like your sticky post said can't happen until max, anu, and q (also Reeds) are removed.

                      [–]PasswordIsntHAMSTER 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                      i like you

                      His entire /r/technology mod career so far has been deflecting accusations aimed at anu and max, coupled with a healthy dose of brownnosing.

                      He was the one who answered cupcake with basically "you're right, we're unworthy, sorry" when he had just gotten added to the mod list and had played no part in the drama. He's a puppet.

                      [–]RogueX7 2 ポイント3 ポイント

                      Yup, just read through again, he is indeed a puppet. So far a list of the q gang:

                      Q

                      Anutensil

                      Maxwellshill

                      Reeds1999

                      Pharnaces

                      Any others?

                      [–]PasswordIsntHAMSTER 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                      /u/PondLife is the scummiest, most passive-aggressive /r/technology mod next to /u/anutensil.

                      [–]Mutiny32 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

                      The mods answering are the ones trying to fix everything the can, but the ones that really need to be talking have gone totally silent.

                      [–]lurker093287h 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                      That was one of the weirdest things about this. I could understand if it was some gawker style, paid by the pageview journalist, desperately trying to hit clickbait paydirt, but this is the BBC. I'm pretty sure they don't have a clickbait pay scale and don't even run ads. what is that guy playing at. Is he an /r/technology reader mad at the mods aswell.

                      [–]lanismycousin 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                      It sort of shows that the author maybe shouldn't be writing about something that he doesn't know very much about ....

                      [–]BlahBlahAckBar 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                      I pointed this out in the thread earlier and have been downvoted heavily for it.

                      [–]YeastOfBuccaFlats -1 ポイント0 ポイント

                      As if the BBC cares about professional journalism

                      [–]GearMan98 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                      Can I get a quick rundown on the /r/technology shitstorm? I've been out of any kind of internet/cell service since April 13th, so I've missed it all.

                      [–]Werner__Herzog 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                      http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/23dyes/recap_the_failed_moderation_and_gaming_of/

                      Brace yourself, this one has got it all.

                      [–]GearMan98 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                      Sweet mother of popcorn jesus. And almost exactly a year after MayMayGate, no less.

                      [–]Herecomethedrums 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                      A moment of silence, men.

                      [–]KingContext 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                      Uh, seriously? Anyone who is linking to this guy's "recap" of this situation is just fucking stupid. He started all of this with his shitty moderating.

                      This subreddit sometimes... jesus...

                      [–]Werner__Herzog 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                      can't disagree with that, but still he had some screenshots, others didn't have, the inside scoop if you will...

                      also he admits tesla gate in it and all (even though he's blaming other people, it's your choice to believe him or not...)

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                        [–]Frostiken 4 ポイント5 ポイント

                        A bunch of useless people gamed their way into being in charge of a significant amount of Reddit's traffic (the defaults) and ran the place like shit. When asked about it, they just promoted other useless people that they knew from their other subs that were run like shit, further reinforcing the notion that they were going to be run like shit.

                        [–]Pharnaces_II 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                        Sort of off the topic of the drama, but it feels really strange to see yourself written about in the news.

                        [–]Werner__Herzog 8 ポイント9 ポイント

                        To bad he didn't mention your awesome post with the Battlestar Galactica music, that was the best part...

                        [–]Pharnaces_II 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                        Judging by the comments in that thread that I received you're the first person to have seen it!

                        [–]ONE_GUY_ONE_JAR 6 ポイント7 ポイント

                        When are anu and max coming out of the fuhrerbunker?

                        [–]DeltaBurnt 1 ポイント2 ポイント

                        I bet you were paid by Sony to start all this drama.

                        [–]workerbree 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        damaaage controooollll

                        [–]rya11111 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        i never understood the whole thing .. i mean .. moderators are people too right ? and Qghy2 cares about reddit i know that. So the way i see it, if any news channel and in this case fucking BBC writes an article about my subreddit, i would be fucking embarased and for the love of every damn thing i would not keep those moderators who caused this. But still he kept them. even after BBC one the world's BIGGEST NON-BIASED NEWS CHANNEL has written how badly my sub has fucked up .. not people or friends or reddit or someone else but fucking BBC ..

                        I just dont get this at all...

                        [–]CATHOLIC_EXTREMIST 0 ポイント1 ポイント

                        Ctrl+f "NSApril Fools", no results

                        :'-(

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