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Odessa Jewish community mulls emergency evacuation by alexmaiin worldnews

[–]bitlegger 1 ポイント2 ポイント

that is what all Jews in Germany thought before 1938, and many even after. as I mentioned, nationalists of any nationality are no friends of Jews

Odessa Jewish community mulls emergency evacuation by alexmaiin worldnews

[–]bitlegger 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I saw in some other news they are going to replace police with "activists". if I were an Odessa Jew right now, I'd be worried because many of these "activists" could be Ukrainian nationalists. Nationalists or any kind, be that Russian, Ukrainian or Polish are no friends of Jews.

Ukraine moves special forces to Odessa, helicopter downed in east by HeyItsNickCAin worldnews

[–]bitlegger 5 ポイント6 ポイント

"civil activists" would replace local police... - this sounds scary.

Just recently, as I recall, some of these same "civil activists" burned 40+ people alive in a building. It is true that police failed to stop them, but now they will not even be allowed to try.

Ukraine military helicopter shot down near Sloviansk, defence ministry says by ragnar_lordbrokin worldnews

[–]bitlegger -7 ポイント-6 ポイント

I hope your son is safe. Poland requested assistance to protect its territory. No one attacks Poland and no one will. Poles probably see a threat in Ukrainian instability, not necessarily from Russia. In fact, the UPA red and black flags flying over most of western Ukraine probably scare Poles more than Russia ever did. UPA had some some ugly things to Poles in 1940's. And people who fly these flags now have absolutely nothing against Poland.

Ukraine military helicopter shot down near Sloviansk, defence ministry says by ragnar_lordbrokin worldnews

[–]bitlegger 0 ポイント1 ポイント

is this the last one yet, how many are left I wonder?

Ukraine wages deadly assault on rebels as fear of war grows by chrezvychaynayain worldnews

[–]bitlegger -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

here is RT video on the subject: http://rt.com/news/156824-eastern-ukraine-hostilities-shooting/
and also this report: http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/

aside of usual differences in terminology and spin, looks like all sources agree that "Over a dozen of people have been killed, including some civilians."

what is definitely NOT true is the statement that "diplomats scrambled to dial down the tensions in the worst East-West crisis since the end of the Cold War".. So far I have not seen anything that could be even remotely considered as an attempt to "dial down" from Obama administration, which makes it directly responsible for what is going on and the lives lost

Putin Paying People To Post Pro-Russia Propaganda In Comments by putupyourdukesin worldnews

[–]bitlegger -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

I am actually one of these many people who had recently joined the fray so I can tell you exactly what is going on. I am a faithful subscriber of Washington Times (NOT Post, G-d forbid) and devoted watcher of FOX news. I have joined reddit mostly because it is an interesting forum to discuss Bitcoin which I am very much fond of.

I never in my life had posted a single comment even remotely related to politics until I am guessing February this year. You are wondering why? Because until now I had absolutely nothing to complain about. I was happy with what I saw and read. I do not often agree with what they say in newspapers and rarely read editorials, but news have been so far presented in a more or less true light.

Now. Since early this year it seems to me that the entire western media had gone completely crazy. Even widely respected and usually balanced networks (I do not mean FOX of course) and objective and reasonable papers (and I do not mean my favorite WTimes), have gone completely over to the dark side. Ukraine is a dark side, complete with Darth Alekseevich Wader running for a president.

So, I think the reason is the single sided and extremely biased coverage which of course prompts strong feelings and results in a lot of comments.

To be fair, it is also a problem with Russian and Ukrainian media. But they simply close comments section.

Now, if anyone wants to pay me for this (I hope Putin is reading this) please send BTC to 13vdksMtHkc28oSp4bfVJ9PUPoRKhbJMxS

Note, I am NOT asking for money, all I am saying is that anyone sends me anything, then anyone else can look it up - all Bitcoin transactions are in blockchain.info Then we will not need to argue who is paying what to whom.

In eastern Ukraine, the mob rules by Aznb01pin worldnews

[–]bitlegger -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

That's why I said 1942 I did not say it was relevant to the actual situation. It is relevant to the above comment though. Which in turn is not relevant. have I confused you now?

In eastern Ukraine, the mob rules by Aznb01pin worldnews

[–]bitlegger -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

I think for the same reasons why Kiev's government calls them Pro-Russians. They are hoping to get support from Russia, same as Kiev wants to get support from U.S. Bringing Russia into this fight is very useful fundraising tool for both sides.

Polish PM: We're dealing with war in Ukraine by justanotherwtfin worldnews

[–]bitlegger -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

He is understandably worried seeing red and black banners all over Ukraine. They remember UPA well.

In eastern Ukraine, the mob rules by Aznb01pin worldnews

[–]bitlegger -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

there were not and there are not now and there will never be any "Pro-Russians" in Ukraine, it is simply a propaganda handle invented by Kiev to attract international attention and get support from U.S.

Yes, you can see people with all sorts of flags there, Russian tricolor and UPA black and red flag are popular, but people waving these are not neither the Nazi nor Russian collaborators. These are simply the symbols that make their affiliation clear.

they are people who supported OLD president of Ukraine, who was a Russian puppet, thief and a coward, and there are people who support NEW president who may or may not be a thief but he is definitely a U.S. puppet and unfortunately not a coward neither, not afraid of sending tanks in.

Obviously those who oppose the government want to be as independent of it as possible, most ask for a referendum. Some ask for independence. Those who support the government are not really asking for anything, they only want the other side to shut up and go home. Although some extremist would probably prefer them dead.

In eastern Ukraine, the mob rules by Aznb01pin worldnews

[–]bitlegger 1 ポイント2 ポイント

no, actually you cannot. This is a very important fact to understand about Ukraine. Most nations have emerged as a result of local residents being unified around some nation forming ideology, a national idea. Ukraine came to be in an entirely different fashion, by treaties and decrees of various dictators in the last century. In fact, Lenin, Stalin, Molotov, Ribbentrop and Khrushchev are the true "founding fathers" of Ukraine, they are responsible for Ukranian borders as they exist today. In all but a small central part of Ukraine, sometime in the last century people went to bed one day as Russian, Polish, Austrian or other nationals, and when they woke up they learned from the papers that they are now Ukrainian nationals. It was not the national identity that made borders, it was the other way around. This happened more than once and is not unusual, there was once "Yugoslavia", and "Czechoslovakia", etc. All these are Dr Moreau experiments, freakish and inherently unhealthy and unstable.

Yes, the Ukrainian national identity is not a myth, it does exist, but it is shared by only a part of the population, on a limited territory.

If they had another 50 years of peaceful co-existence there could have been a chance for them to unite most of the people within existing borders, but this outcome seems unlikely in view of recent events.

Kiev's government attempts to unite Ukraine by force will undoubtedly fail. These are 10th century methods. Yats probably imagines themselves a modern day Sviatoslavs and wants to unite the "true Slavic" people by a strong hand. Guess what, it is 21st century now, this method does not work any more.

In eastern Ukraine, the mob rules by Aznb01pin worldnews

[–]bitlegger 0 ポイント1 ポイント

It is like saying in 1942, look Germany is peaceful, have you heard about any violence happening in Germany? Yeah, sure, it is all quiet on the western front.

Odessa massacre. The other side of the story. by bitleggerin worldnews

[–]bitlegger[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I love FOX and I subscribe to Washington Times, not Post. But when I listen to FOX and read Washington Times these days, they make very little sense to me when it comes to Ukraine. They mostly repeat official Ukrainian line. If you read todays front page feature in WT about Odessa, I could not find it on-line, it says (quoting from memory): "there is no evidence of Russian involvement in Odessa" and one or two paragraphs later "U.S. should provide arms to Ukrainian government to defend themselves against Russia". Does it make any sense to you?

Odessa massacre. The other side of the story. by bitleggerin worldnews

[–]bitlegger[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

from the source above, I will translate one part: "Далее действия милиции на данном участке кроме как "странными" назвать нельзя. Фактически, здесь милиция и пророссийские боевики действовали заодно. " This is a witness account what he says is: "Further, actions of the police in this were nothing but "strange". In fact, police and pro-Russian hit men worked together".

Now, you can believe these were in fact pro-Russian militants that somehow colluded with Odessa police, or you can believe this actually WAS the police or SBU operatives dressed up to look like Russian militants. To me the later makes a lot more sense. It would be an easiest way to disperse pro-Russian crowd that settled in the square maidan style.

Odessa massacre. The other side of the story. by bitleggerin worldnews

[–]bitlegger[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント

the red bands are real, they can be seen in photos published by pro-Kiev source a few days ago: http://napaki.livejournal.com/100072.html

I do not know what to make out of it but it looks very suspicious, why would some (but not all) protesters AND police wear bands. Seems like coordinated effort to me.

Ukraine PM blames local police for Odessa deaths by Khaiyanin worldnews

[–]bitlegger -1 ポイント0 ポイント

this new video evidence had recently emerged it is from Russian source. Looks convincing to me. http://rt.com/news/156744-video-footage-odessa-fire/

Odessa massacre. The other side of the story. by bitleggerin worldnews

[–]bitlegger[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント

I never said this article is balanced and totally objective. Of course it isn't. No one these days is objective, it is totally us vs them. So what? Any person with a half a brain can figure that out and darw his own conclusion.

The tactic chosen by some redditors is that of SUPRESSION rather than DISCUSSION. This is what is so upsetting to me. I would rather read a hundred objections than to see nothing at all.

If we continue on this path, you will soon come to reddit to find no controversial news at all, it will all about tiger cubs in a zoo and little girls baking cupcakes.

Besides, the other side is not entirely innocent neither, they call their own people who want nothing but referendum "terrorists" and accuse them of being foreign army.

you really do need to listen to both sides, you do not have to believe neither of them.

Provocation gone wrong: Murky forces instigating Odessa violence? by nived321in worldnews

[–]bitlegger 0 ポイント1 ポイント

First, no one ever blamed mainstream EuroMaidan movement in violence. The suspicion frequently falls on some third parties, including extreme right, mafia and government itself.

Besides in maidan there were no two sides, mob on mob violence was uncommon. Now there are at least two different mobs. It is easy to believe they may be fighting each other and it presents a perfect opportunity for a provocation just like this. The tactic of setting mobs one against another is nothing new in crowd control. In fact it is the easiest way to get rid of one (smaller) mob.

It is your business which side you believe, but please do not distort facts any more than they are already distorted by the media.

Odessa massacre. The other side of the story. by bitleggerin worldnews

[–]bitlegger[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント

this was posted previously but quickly down voted. Down voting this is tantamount to covering a murder. Even if evidence presented is not true, it should not be suppressed, it should be discussed and debunked.

Ukraine is a country on the jagged edge of anarchy by bitleggerin worldnews

[–]bitlegger[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント

"dark side" and "N. Korea" aside, I agree. Kiev should let the East go. The question is will they be allowed to? As Spook here pointed out, EU may not have enough money. Taking only Western part is a bad deal for EU and IMF. They will have to pay more for less. Right now East of Ukraine is feeding the West, take out the East and budget deficit increases.

Ukraine is a country on the jagged edge of anarchy by bitleggerin worldnews

[–]bitlegger[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント

this has nothing to do with Crimea. Which was never "invaded" by the way. It was annexed, not invaded. There was no "Crimean war". It is all a fabrication of western media.

Spook is right, civil war in Ukraine is a sole responsibility of Kiev and those who pull Kiev's strings. And you are right, there is very little Kiev could have done. They are under conflicting orders from US and IMF and they must work with SBU which is a force on its own

Ukraine is a country on the jagged edge of anarchy by bitleggerin worldnews

[–]bitlegger[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント

I would not call it governments but armed groups. Kiev government is under control of a mob in Kiev, so called Donetsk People Republic government is nothing more than a handful of people occupying a few buildings. Their political platform is local control. Slavensk "mayor" is a classic anarchist. If this is not an anarchy I don't know what is.