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[–]demagogueffxiv 41 ポイント42 ポイント

Well, in a way this is actually kinda true. People who are hiding being gay will become open to the world, thus making it appear that there are more gays as a result, however these people were just hiding to begin with.

[–]DescartesD 9 ポイント10 ポイント

so, it's not true

[–]typethrowaway 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Some sources would be nice. I am not buying the idea that the rate of homosexuality can't be cultural to some degree without proper evidence, seeing how much sexuality has changed over the course of human history and varies across cultures.

[–]CaneVandas 0 ポイント1 ポイント

What sources are you exactly looking for? It is a logical allegory. There has always been homosexuals in history. They aren't magically becoming more prevalent. The difference is that when the stigma of any previously unfavorable subset of a community starts becoming acceptable, the people associated with become more viable. What was previously underground culture is now becoming more mainstream. You might not have been able to hide being black in the past, but you sure as hell were not represented in the mainstream media or allowed to be in any position of power. Just as that has changed over time, so will this.

[–]Azincourt 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Homosexuality, and in fact all sexuality, is entirely cultural. To imagine otherwise is to imagine that you are not fundamentally shaped by the culture you grow up in from the very first day out of the womb, which would be absurd. Many child abusers were victims of abuse themselves, a disproportionate amount, indicating that the way we learn about sexuality changes depending on how we are introduced to it. If you look at cultures like Ancient Sparta or Thebes then practically every male was bisexual or homosexual (or just 'sexual' as we might realise it should be said). That's clearly a result of societal culture, however what people don't realise is that the reason that heterosexual people are hetero is simply due to cultural upbringing and hormones. Your preference for a member of the opposite sex is no more 'natural' than your liking for Sugar Puffs or the flavour of caviar. These tastes are learned, over time. Look at pre-Raphaelite painting. The most beautiful women of their time were, by modern standards, fat. I don't find them beautiful or attractive at all because of my cultural conditioning. Similarly, I don't find African women attractive because the things that my culture has taught me are beautiful (dainty features, small asses, pale skin) are not apparent in those genes. I have nothing against African women and am sure that many find them beautiful but I'd rather have sex with an athletic bodied young man than a fat, middle aged African woman, because my cultural upbringing has caused my sexual identifiers to relate more to a young white male than they have a black female. I worry that people will find that racist, but I wouldn't have any issue with people saying they don't find white men attractive for the opposite reason. Everyone's taste is individual. Having said all that, I can't see any problem with a 100% gay society. If everyone was gay, why would anyone be bothered? Procreation is a choice, not a necessity and it's possible for gay people to have kids anyway. I'm entirely straight, and have no desire to have sex with men in any way, the comparison is merely there to demonstrate how culture has developed what makes me attracted.

[–]Mgccakes 0 ポイント1 ポイント

.... Cultural how?

[–]JRutterbush -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Be gay for a few minutes.

Can't do it? You now know firsthand that it's not a choice, and thus not cultural.

Can do it? You just learned something about yourself.

[–]ltra1n 1 ポイント2 ポイント

You'd be surprised at the number of things that become a choice when a large enough sum is offered.

[–]Azincourt -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Homosexuality, and in fact all sexuality, is entirely cultural. To imagine otherwise is to imagine that you are not fundamentally shaped by the culture you grow up in from the very first day out of the womb, which would be absurd.

Many child abusers were victims of abuse themselves, a disproportionate amount, indicating that the way we learn about sexuality changes depending on how we are introduced to it. If you look at cultures like Ancient Sparta or Thebes then practically every male was bisexual or homosexual (or just 'sexual' as we might realise it should be said). That's clearly a result of societal culture, however what people don't realise is that the reason that heterosexual people are hetero is simply due to cultural upbringing and hormones. Your preference for a member of the opposite sex is no more 'natural' than your liking for Sugar Puffs or the flavour of caviar. These tastes are learned, over time.

Look at pre-Raphaelite painting. The most beautiful women of their time were, by modern standards, fat. I don't find them beautiful or attractive at all because of my cultural conditioning. Similarly, I don't find African women attractive because the things that my culture has taught me are beautiful (dainty features, small asses, pale skin) are not apparent in those genes. I have nothing against African women and am sure that many find them beautiful but I'd rather have sex with an athletic bodied young man than a fat, middle aged African woman, because my cultural upbringing has caused my sexual identifiers to relate more to a young white male than they have a black female. I worry that people will find that racist, but I wouldn't have any issue with people saying they don't find white men attractive for the opposite reason. Everyone's taste is individual.

Having said all that, I can't see any problem with a 100% gay society. If everyone was gay, why would anyone be bothered? Procreation is a choice, not a necessity and it's possible for gay people to have kids anyway.
I'm entirely straight, and have no desire to have sex with men in any way, the comparison is merely there to demonstrate how culture has developed what makes me attracted.

[–]nimbykiller 8 ポイント9 ポイント

Why is the guy on the right holding up the live long and prosper salute?

[–]protoctista 5 ポイント6 ポイント

"Liv laang and prospuh mah nigga."

[–]itsmisterwright -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

Sudden Clarity:

Live Long and Prosper is the nerdy way of saying YOLO.

Maybe these guys are just Trekkies on Halloween doing amazing cosplays and we're just assholes...

[–]E-POLICE 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I mean.. maybe he watches Star Trek.

[–]InvaderDem -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

Because us crackers suck at acting like we're black.

[–]ihatecoffee 42 ポイント43 ポイント

The real "flaw" in Stewart's rationale is that many of the people that are against gay rights actually believe that gay people choose to be gay. Unlike black people who are clearly genetically disposed to be black, they really feel that being gay isn't something a person is, but rather a lifestyle choice.

As such, this sort of argument is nonsensical to them.

[–]Causeless_Zealot 64 ポイント65 ポイント

Seriously.. No reasonable person would choose to be black.

[–]HiImDan 24 ポイント25 ポイント

That's so fucked up. I just realized how fucked up it is to say it about gays.

[–]Mithious 16 ポイント17 ポイント

Up until I came out at about 18 years old if you'd given me one wish it would to have been straight.

This was when section 28 was on the books in the UK (similar law to the recent Russian one), I went for around 10 years of my life (8 to 18) knowing I was gay while not hearing a single positive thing said about gay people, or seeing anyone willing to stand up to homophobic abuse in school. It fucked me up quite a bit.

[–]Dopplegangr1 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I'm straight but most people assume I am gay from my personality and I actually like it that way. Women are much more comfortable around you when they don't assume you are trying to get in their pants. Granted I live in the northeast so there's not much homophobia.

[–]Luftschiffkapitaen 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Northeast of what? The US I assume? Northeastern Germany is a sparsely populated shithole with the highest percentage of neonazis in the whole country

[–]cambullrun 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Sorry to hear that - It is getting better though - right?

[–]Mithious 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Yep, I'm completely happy with my sexuality now, and I know kids that are able to come out at school with few negative consequences, which on its own makes me very happy for the future.

[–]Ima_Fedora_AMA 11 ポイント12 ポイント

Maybe I want to be good at sports

[–]aMutantChicken[🍰] 5 ポイント6 ポイント

same with being gay! I don't remember where i heard it from but no one ever gut up ont day, being a 13 yearl old boy, thinking;"i wonder what i can do to get beat up more at school?"

Gay people are not there to piss anybody off and i'm sure some would rather be straight than face the society they live in as gay people but they are what they are and can't do shit about it.

I hope society betters itself in the coming years

[–]defeatedbird 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Or suck another man's cock willingly.

You gotta pity the faggots, really.

[–]DJSchmitty 0 ポイント1 ポイント

As a black man, I am confused as to where I got this computer...

[–]hseldon10 0 ポイント1 ポイント

At least no economically rational people would choose it. With all the disadvantages that being black brings, it would be economically irrational to choose to be black, if given the choice.

[–]Frankie_FastHands -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Crackers

[–]EvilTheMFCat 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Well, now it's not funny anymore. Thanks for that.

[–]cambullrun 2 ポイント3 ポイント

As you can see below - some people on this site believe this.

[–]redeemer_1024 1 ポイント2 ポイント

What about bisexual people? They can choose.

[–]Brendancs0 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Its kind of true, to a certain degree.

[–]montyjack 2 ポイント3 ポイント

It doesn't matter whether gay people are born that way or chose to be that way. If they are not directly infringing on the rights of others, then they have a right to be who they are and do what they do. And they aren't, so they do.

If the Christian Right were bright they would fully embrace gay rights, gay marriage and gay adoption. Then eventually gay folks would be slaves to the same bullshit social pressures the rest of us are. Dealing with their moms bitching about when they're going to get married and adopt a grandchild for her. No more endless partying and getting laid hand over fist- nope- now you've got to worry what the other parents at the PTA think. Eventually they would be crushed into the stifling gray mold of conformity until every last spark of fabulousness is EXTINGUISHED! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Sorry... just practicing for my upcoming role as the villain in the new SJW action flick. In the end I win because the hero turns out to be a cis-good shitlord who needs to check his privilege around evilkin.

[–]geeeeh -1 ポイント0 ポイント

The best part is that so many people against gay rights actually are gay, and making a choice to pretend to be straight. So they think it must be a conscious choice for everyone.

[–]imredditting -1 ポイント0 ポイント

I recently got into an argument with a girl who compared extreme body alteration discrimination in the workplace to gay discrimination as both were a choice. Mind boggled.

E: This wasn't about people with basic alterations either, she was defending people who looked like christmas trees complaining that they couldn't get a storefront job.

[–]samartypants 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Maybe a better way of putting it, is more people will accept who they really are. There are a lot of gay people still hiding in Hetero marriages with kids and stuff.

And it's not that far off to consider that just like that bottom picture. There may be a lot more straight people who will behave more gay because they're drawn to it. They may start to mimic behavior stereotypes and fashion, and not with the intent of being offensive like we might imagine. I mean I went to art school for 5 years and I saw a lot of that already. Fashion and Sexuality was just another medium and form of expression to explore. And everyone became content with labeling themselves as pan sexual or queer or banishing all labels.

[–]jabb0 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Mean streets of ivory decorations amongst the blinds

[–]super_dude54 1 ポイント2 ポイント

It's true. They're called hipsters.

[–]Shoplift_The_Pootie 1 ポイント2 ポイント

If this isn't /r/shitpost material, I don't know what is.

[–]styroteqe 9 ポイント10 ポイント

Just FYI, those kids are trying to look "tough" not black.

[–]snorlz 20 ポイント21 ポイント

No, they are trying to emulate rap/hip hop culture, which is essentially urban black culture.

[–]Legacy95 1 ポイント2 ポイント

It WILL happen with gays too. If being gay is accepted then all the closet gays will come out.

[–]Skitzotarzan 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Bang bang, rock on , birdman, West coast!

[–]jacob2815 1 ポイント2 ポイント

You speak gang sign?????

[–]cambullrun 1 ポイント2 ポイント

gang shine gang shine everywhere a gang shine

[–]TMox 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Nothing new--blacks have produced many styles, trends, and art forms that were picked up by others.

[–]ScoochMagooch 0 ポイント1 ポイント

I prescribe to the Kinsey theory it makes the most sense to me.

[–]redsbobcat 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Those kids don't look black, they look fucking stupid.

[–]BfmVfan1 0 ポイント1 ポイント

GRRRRAAATATA!!!!

[–]LEEVINNNN 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Well, to be honest, that is a repost

[–]apathetic_youth 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Pretty much every post is...

[–]Robstradamus 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Thought the same thing when I heard him say it. Yyyyuuuup!!!

[–]contcont 0 ポイント1 ポイント

What's the deal with hate crimes? If someone punches me out and calls me a fag, can I claim to be gay to get them a harsher sentence? Or do I have to already be out of the closet?

[–]spiritbx 0 ポイント1 ポイント

They aren't acting black, they are acting "gangsta"...

[–]OVNEV 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Why the fuck are these dumbshits giving metal horns? I fucking hate that shit. If you are not representing metal, you don't get to use that gesture!

[–]MikeOrtiz 0 ポイント1 ポイント

General Cornrow Wallace throwing up the bird-signs

[–]joshsmad 0 ポイント1 ポイント

>Implying sexuality is synonymous to ethnicity

[–]ZeusMcFly 0 ポイント1 ポイント

to be fair, the one guy in that picture is trying to be Vulcan.

[–]WolfStainedRed -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Well to be honest i can understand people that are gay but now a days since people accept it, every single 16 year old girl end up saying shes bi so she can make out with her friends and be popular ._. Its the sad truth of today. Ive seen it too much now a days.

[–]Azincourt 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Why shouldn't she make out with her friends if she wants to? For any reason at all? What possible business is it of yours to call it a 'sad truth?'

[–]masks -1 ポイント0 ポイント

This is fucking stupid all over the place

[–]ArcusImpetus -1 ポイント0 ポイント

Nope black culture is cool. Gay culture is hipster culture, not cool culture. The two are definitely different. When gays are accepted, the original hipsters will abandon gay fad and late adapters become kind of uncool hipsters until the fad dies out.

In short

black culture : attention seeking through popularity

gay culture : attention seeking through unpopularity

[–]lonnko -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

This is so reposted and ignorant.

[–]xwertg -1 ポイント0 ポイント

those kids aren't acting black, they are acting 'street thug', see the difference?

[–]Rencill -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Live long and prosper, yo.

[–]sgtcoolbeans -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

Besides the ridiculousness of believing that being Gay is a choice did anyone else notice how incredibly racist this is?

OP you do know that black people do not all act like that right? Nor does it have anything to do with being black.