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Has /r/libertarian begun receiving organized/professional trolls? Compared to even a few months ago it appears so many replies to posts are much more aggressive/trollish. Almost without exception. Am I the only who is noticing this? (self.Libertarian)

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[–]basedjamalvoluntaryist 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

definitely, so many leftists are here, it really doesn't make sense for them to be spewing their useless entitlement claims and authoritarian sympathies here for any reason other than to rile our feathers. I think the mods should stop being lenient towards them by assuming their power over this private forum and banning the provokers just like these leftist subs ban us when we go over there to discuss our viewpoint (e.g. socialism, marxism, anarchism, etc.-all these feeble minded shits just ban you if you go over there and you disagree with leftist entitlement). If we wanted to discuss these issues with leftists we would be in r/politics, but no, this is r/libertarian for a reason.

[–]nixfuminarchist 15 ポイント16 ポイント 前

Its FINE for people on the left or whatever to come and want to actually discuss. But that is different than spouting off, insulting, and not contributing anything positive.

[–]matts2 6 ポイント7 ポイント 前

What about libertarians that spout off, insult, and don't contribute?

[–]nixfuminarchist 7 ポイント8 ポイント 前

I said moderation of "users", not non-libertanians.

[–]matts2 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

Just trying to make it clear. I called out some nonsense recently. I was called a troll and downvoted. The guy who called me a troll said I told the truth and it was nonsense and my facts were correct. But still I'm the troll and downvoted.

From what I see this sub is self-trolling. That is, it is the hard core standard members who spout the trolling nonsense, not the people who step in from the outside. That thread was utter garbage that has been circulating in right wing circles for years and gets no better over time. But pointing that out makes me the troll.

[–]ZadocPaetI believe in Thomas Paine -2 ポイント-1 ポイント 前

That is, it is the hard core standard members who spout the trolling nonsense

I wouldn't even call them hardcore members, more like hardcore republican-plutocratist-paranoid-conspiracy-theorist-theists.

That about sums up the majority view of this sub, no?

[–]matts2 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント 前

It is a strong voice, I don't think there is a majority view or even a major plurality.

[–]Wallies -5 ポイント-4 ポイント 前

As a mostly lurker you will not get any respect here because you are pretty much just an argumentative bitch. It is obvious when someone is acting like that.

[–]matts2 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

I get it. Facts are a bitch when it comes to this sub. I understand.

[–]I_am_salad 6 ポイント7 ポイント 前

No, you don't. You think you do, and you can prove you do, but no. You don't.

[–]matts2 -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

Ideology does not need facts, it has truth from on high.

[–]LDL2Voluntaryist- Geoanarchist 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

Its like diamminesilver nitrate.

[–]uberares [score hidden] 前

|all these feeble minded shits just ban you if you go over there and you disagree with leftist entitlement

Yeah, because its ok when the slurs and insults are aimed at libs

[–]marx2k 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

They just get up votes due to being on the right team

[–]buster_caseyClassical Liberal 5 ポイント6 ポイント 前

Same as any ideologically driven sub.

[–]marx2k [score hidden] 前

Pretty much.

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[–]LowReadyIndividual Sovereignty 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

Lol.

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[–]basedjamalvoluntaryist -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

lel, i'm brigading myself? lmfao, a leftist bot would do this

[–]wellactuallyhmmit's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights -2 ポイント-1 ポイント 前

You are actually calling a brigade to upvote you, but po-tay-toe, po-tah-toe.

[–]basedjamalvoluntaryist 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

calling a brigade to upvote you

where did I ever do that? lmfao, you're getting more and more desperate with your unfounded conjecture.

[–]wellactuallyhmmit's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

You linked to your own post on /r/shitstatistssay... anyone who is familiar with these subreddit knows their purpose.

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[–]Nathan173AB 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

So when corporations take over all the land in your libertarian utopia, they should be allowed to crush any of those they view as disidents on their own land because it's their private property?

And this, folks, is why no thinking person takes libertarianism seriously.

[–]LowReadyIndividual Sovereignty 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Well I wouldn't consider anyone who believes that preposterous straw man a "thinking man" but you were almost right... Lots of people do believe this lie and therefor hate something they don't understand.

[–]Nathan173AB 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

It's not a straw man. It's what I've heard from libertarians and ancaps from their own mouths—that land owners are basically autocrats in their land.

[–]LowReadyIndividual Sovereignty -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

Can you show me ancaps declaring that it's acceptable to implement a monopoly on ethics when on their own property?

[–]Nathan173AB 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

This post got a net rating of 96.

Property rights. If you are the owner of land you get to decide what happens there.

[–]LowReadyIndividual Sovereignty 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

He explains what he's talking about. It's not enslaving people, torturing people, indiscriminately murdering people, etc.... He's talking about being able to associate voluntarily and you're being dishonest by copying a statement that he goes on to clarify the nuance of. He even explains how this should not be acceptable and how the community has the option to deal with him and avoid him.

In my opinion land owners have every right to blanket ban gays, guns, minorities or whatever they want from their property. And the community has every right to shun them financially and refuse to do business with them if they make ridiculous, or offensive policies.

Do you not understand how voluntary association works? Surely you see how this isn't equivalent to a mini-state.... Right?

[–]Nathan173AB -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

You just touched on why ancaps and libertarians have it all wrong.

He even explains how this should not be acceptable and how the community has the option to deal with him and avoid him.

We already have a system like this. It's called the rule of law which is enforced by a government police. What you and this guy are essentially advocating is the same thing but by mob rule. I understand what you and him are saying just fine. I just think it's a very childish and disastrous idea. Spare me the loaded "but muh freedoms" spiel that will probably follow this post.

[–]LowReadyIndividual Sovereignty -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

We already have a system like this. It's called the rule of law which is enforced by a government police.

No, we don't have a system like this. The government holds a monopoly on violence over all the land. You've already contradicted yourself by first claiming that "libertarians want mini oligarchs" but when your assertion was debunked you now claim to know the real problem with libertarianism, and instead of mini-oligarchs, it's that "we already have a system like this".

You previously correctly understood that there was no over-reaching single authority over all property (yet misunderstood that private property ownership does not equal the right to do whatever you want to anyone) yet now you're declaring that the real problem is that it's no different.

Community ostracizing is pretty clearly different from demanding that a person allow people onto their property against their wishes via government fiat.

It's getting hard to assume that you're not just trolling here since you're just moving the goal posts as your claims get falsified.

[–]uberares [score hidden] 前

|If we wanted to discuss these issues with leftists we would be in r/politics, but no, this is r/libertarian for a reason.

Read: Stay out of our echo chamber you damn whippersnappers!

[–]haqshenas -2 ポイント-1 ポイント 前

so many leftists are here

Libertarian has been dominantly a leftist idealogy.

[–]HappyGrillMore -2 ポイント-1 ポイント 前

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