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[–]_Squeenixthe anti-coates 14 ポイント15 ポイント

I don't mean to start a flame war or get in the middle of Server and LSIF flinging poop at each other...

But I don't really know how this would be any more relevant/different than what was posted? Both seem like kinda lighthearted joke posts

Unless there was edgy racist shit (didn't read it) in which case fuk u lol

[–]enjoys_moosick/mu/ 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Unless there was edgy racist shit (didn't read it) in which case fuk u lol

it wasnt it was just about the 420

[–]llShadyGuyllRyden's Right Hand - ew 3 ポイント4 ポイント

The hypocrisy is what serverError and all the civholiday parody shitposts are getting at. They should allow them all and let the downvotes do the work or delete them all and keep the civcraft subreddit about civcraft.

[–]bodhidharma6AnCap Pride Worldwide -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

When you blatantly admit that they're "parody shitposts" the whole hypocrisy charge doesn't quite ring as loudly.

[–]llShadyGuyllRyden's Right Hand - ew 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Plz come back when you have stuff relevant to civcraft to post, not that I expect much when half of the LSIF only logs on for 15 minutes on a weekend and spends the rest of their time pushing agendas nobody cares about on the sub.

[–]TakochuBabycham 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Bye Felicia

[–]DJFunktipusprince of cats/Grand Premier of Cherrywood USA 8 ポイント9 ポイント

that was probably the most relevant civholiday in terms of relation to civcraft and it got deleted

[–]xpNcshitposting is a art 11 ポイント12 ポイント

the autism one wins that contest

[–]serverError404#FreeOJD2014[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント

omg dats offensive, sami pls ban him he said austism wtf

EDIT: WTF

EDIT: Reported

[–]CommieLiberatorlifetime0fwar | All Glory to the Soviet -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

You didn't even edit, liar.

[–]SamMee514Jabbahwocky | Architect | #1.0kids 4 ポイント5 ポイント

thatsthejoke.png

[–]CommieLiberatorlifetime0fwar | All Glory to the Soviet -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

Its also the jome

[–]SorcererWithAToasterLSIF Word-Police 4 ポイント5 ポイント

I'm sorry you feel this way.

[–]llShadyGuyllRyden's Right Hand - ew 9 ポイント10 ポイント

preach bb

[–]ComradeNick 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Blaze it FAGT.

hue

[–]serverError404#FreeOJD2014[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント

nice meme

[–]llShadyGuyllRyden's Right Hand - ew 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Ily nick

[–]RodgersGatesKing of Nexus 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I think I dislike the RSSR(?)s brand of racism even more than I dislike the FAGT stuff

[–]ComradeNick 2 ポイント3 ポイント

lol what is this 'RSSR' racism? I've said some things in the past about white people but I don't that can be attributed to the RSSR as a whole, seeing as how many of our members have nothing to do with it.

[–]RodgersGatesKing of Nexus 0 ポイント1 ポイント

because 'kill whitey' is acceptable but 'kill blacky' wouldn't be

[–]ComradeNick 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Even since our previous discussion on this matter you still haven't done even the rudimentary reading to talk about this. Perhaps you should actually do some research, Theo.

"kill all blacks/kill all n******" has a history of oppression behind it. It was materially reinforced through racist legislation of laws and implementation of laws. The oppression was systemic and still occurs in a systemic manner. On the other hand, this does not occur to white people. You might have your feelings hurt by "kill whitey" but this phrase can't mobilize an entire society after you. Not to mention that this systemic oppression has forced blacks to become very bitter and defensive, sometimes lashing out by saying "kill whitey". But still, the phrase has 0 power behind it.

If you call this simple observation "racism" then you're really not understanding racism as a relationship of power and more so just as hurt feelings, which is not how it actually propagates itself. It is a systemic way by which one group oppresses another.

Either way, in the same vein as my last comment, this isn't really the RSSR's issue so much as my issue. I am the only one saying these things and nobody else in the Politburo is really defending my words or backing them. This is not the RSSR's official opinion, but we are anti-racist in the sense that we in the government understand racism as a systemic issue. We understand this as an issue that is compounded by capitalism and that will have to be fought against in the struggle for socialism. That isn't a crazy notion, but don't attribute my words to every single person in the Proletarskaya-Metro-Area and outlying bases, because that's a stupid generalization.

[–]RodgersGatesKing of Nexus 1 ポイント2 ポイント

How do you know that? All I know is that you are generalising an entire ethnic group into one category and saying 'kill whitey' as if it's something hilarious, yet you would be shitting yourself with anger if someone said 'kill blacks'. Yes, there are plenty, probably a majority, of privileged white people in the world, but there's also a hell of a lot that haven't had a good run of it.

[–]ComradeNick -1 ポイント0 ポイント

All I know is that you are generalising an entire ethnic group into one category and saying 'kill whitey' as if it's something hilarious,

You just ignored the whole distinction I've been making here. Go crack open a book, kid.

yet you would be shitting yourself with anger if someone said 'kill blacks'.

Probably not, I mean I kinda get that I'm on the internet and I'm not going to see stuff that I agree with generally.

Yes, there are plenty, probably a majority, of privileged white people in the world, but there's also a hell of a lot that haven't had a good run of it.

I'm not saying that white people's lives are perfect, I am saying that they have a privilege. A white homosexual man, or a white trans person can still contribute to racism, all while having different things to deal with. Again, go do some rudimentary research into what I'm saying and then talk to me.

[–]grumpfatherDo you even understand the pragmatics of English, angry person? -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

the thing is, white people, by their DNA, have less empathy then other races

white people are genetically disposed to be huge assholes

[–]RodgersGatesKing of Nexus -1 ポイント0 ポイント

You assume a hell of a lot about me. I've done a hell of a lot of activism against racist groups and I hate the 'fagt' and casual racism shit as much as you. I just find it pathetic that you think, because of 'precedent', you think it's fine to demonise and throw out the 'kill whitey' bullshit like it's ok.

[–]ComradeNick 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I hate the 'fagt'

I don't.

'precedent'

What precedent...

[–]RodgersGatesKing of Nexus 2 ポイント3 ポイント

The precedent that it's fine to bandy about 'kill whitey' because other ethnicites you might apply that to have been through so much more suffering than the aforementioned group.

And you assume a hell of a lot about me. You are a guy that reads a lot, apparently, and has his ethos about combating racism/prejudice well thought out, and as such, assumes that I need to 'read a book, kid' and get on your level of racial awareness. Yet you have no fucking idea about what I've done in the past when it comes to the same sort of issues that you clearly feel so passionately about.

I'll post a quick disclaimer that I'm not suggesting the whole, 'you don't know me man!' defence, but that you assume a hell of a lot about people because you are a kid (and you are) who has had the privilege of being able to read a lot and have the correct forums to have his voice heard.

I'm not going to do what you do and assume that you know nothing; but from all of your posts it makes it patently clear that you're some kind of social justice snob that finds his own brand of internet combat superior to anything else that other people might do.

[–]CommieLiberatorlifetime0fwar | All Glory to the Soviet -1 ポイント0 ポイント

"I hate racism towards black people less than racism towards white people"

This is a privileged position to take

[–]RodgersGatesKing of Nexus 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I don't take that stance. If anything, Nick does, thinking racism against white people is fine but racism against other ethnicities is worse because those other ethnicites have suffered more. I take the egalitarian (oh shit, forget I said that, another bad word that SJWs don't take seriously because apparently it gives precedence to 'unimportant' issues) view that all prejudice is shitty.

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    [–]llShadyGuyllRyden's Right Hand - ew 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    What about people who are half white?

    [–]grumpfatherDo you even understand the pragmatics of English, angry person? 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    imprison them maybe?

    [–]llShadyGuyllRyden's Right Hand - ew 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    What is their brand of racism?

    [–]RodgersGatesKing of Nexus 0 ポイント1 ポイント

    Hating white people, essentially. They persevere with the 'kill whitey' joke - ok, a joke, but at the same time they would never find it ok to make jokes about killing other ethnicities.

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          [–]enjoys_moosick/mu/ 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          ;)))))

          [–]Juz16Dark Horse -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

          Nice one :o)

          [–]Juz16Dark Horse 8 ポイント9 ポイント

          Yeah the whole CivHoliday thing is pretty dumb. What does "International Women's Day" have to do with a game that is genderless?

          [–]llShadyGuyllRyden's Right Hand - ew 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          Gender is a social construct, as a political simulation we must create our own genders

          [–]ribagiGreat Socialist Doge, Coding for the Dogeoisie 2 ポイント3 ポイント

          I am a Doge.

          [–]SamMee514Jabbahwocky | Architect | #1.0kids 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          I seriously hope this is sarcasm

          [–]Neoncoffeehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6oUz1v17Uo 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          Hes mocking the group who think up that kind of bullshit, don't worry

          [–]SamMee514Jabbahwocky | Architect | #1.0kids -1 ポイント0 ポイント

          Basically SJW's, right?

          [–]Neoncoffeehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6oUz1v17Uo 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          Yeah and all the other groups like them

          [–]Juz16Dark Horse 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          Lol

          I'm not the one down voting you btw

          [–]llShadyGuyllRyden's Right Hand - ew 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          I know, lsif downvote brigade stronk

          [–]LifesIntensityhk: Your Friendly neighborhood LSIF -1 ポイント0 ポイント

          Funny. I'm probably the only one of us on the sub atm. All the others are watching movies and spending time with their loved ones. This is a one-sided pretty squabble. No one besides me even saw server's original post and I even upvoted it. So if you could just stop while I still have some respect for you standing by your beliefs then that would be great.

          [–]Juz16Dark Horse 3 ポイント4 ポイント

          o shit the commie brigade has arrived

          [–]LifesIntensityhk: Your Friendly neighborhood LSIF 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          :D

          [–]Juz16Dark Horse 3 ポイント4 ポイント

          hide ur food or the commies will take it

          [–]RedPrairieDogis just saying this for attention. 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          pol pot was a swell guy

          [–]Juz16Dark Horse -1 ポイント0 ポイント

          Eliminating 25% of the population of a country must have done wonders for the availability of food.

          [–]HummelwagenCaramels should be unwrapped first 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          they'll starve your Ukrainians--and blame the Ukrainians for it.

          Then they'll kill all the sparrows.

          it's only a matter of time, Juz.

          [–]CommieLiberatorlifetime0fwar | All Glory to the Soviet 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          Idk, when the Ukranians burn a million acres of farmland and kill 100 million edible farm animals, its hard to put the blame elsewhere.

          [–]Juz16Dark Horse 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          [–]xpNcshitposting is a art 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          a whole bunch of you are having a whinge in my civholiday thread

          [–]PhairyFeenix*quote* architect *unquote* 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          Oh honey

          [–]bodhidharma6AnCap Pride Worldwide -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

          Is this serious?

          [–]Juz16Dark Horse 3 ポイント4 ポイント

          Yes, I am being 100% serious. Autism awareness and Women's rights are completely unrelated to Civcraft. So is Pi day and probably every other CivHoliday there is.

          CivHoliday should have been used for things like commemorating the dissolution of Columbia, the ending of the first HCF war, the Valentine's Massacre, the end of 1.0, the beginning of 2.0, the first Olympics, the breaking of Dills vault, and eventually the banning of Phacad. These things are actually related to Civcraft.

          [–]bodhidharma6AnCap Pride Worldwide 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          I mean, are you serious about "Civcraft has no genders"

          [–]LifesIntensityhk: Your Friendly neighborhood LSIF -1 ポイント0 ポイント

          You do realize this is a server for politics right?

          [–]Juz16Dark Horse 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          That stuff is irrelevant! We're not here to debate what happens in the real world, we're here to test political ideologies and other ideas!

          [–]serverError404#FreeOJD2014[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          Yes, because Pi day is related to politics...

          [–]llShadyGuyllRyden's Right Hand - ew -1 ポイント0 ポイント

          Totally not an excuse to push your shitty agendas

          [–]LifesIntensityhk: Your Friendly neighborhood LSIF 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          So what we can't talk about political issues on a political server anymore because you have deemed our view as being shitty. That's great

          [–]ttk2Free Software Fanatic[M] 5 ポイント6 ポイント

          Your argument assumes it is the goal of the subreddit to be exactly the same moderator less environment as the server.

          This is not the goal of the subreddit, the subreddit is used as a communication tool for the administration and a community building tool, it is administrated as we see fit to achieve those goals.

          If you have a problem with this you are more than welcome to exercise your speech in another subreddit or on another website.

          [–]serverError404#FreeOJD2014[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント

          I see the subreddit as an extension of the Civcraft mechanic, it is a place for communication about in game matters. It should be a free and open place for communication about all things Civcraft. I am wondering why some Civholiday posts are allowed, and some aren't. I am fine with moderation to keep things only Civcraft related, so it does not turn into a non-civcraft related Circle jerk.

          Allowing the moderators to approve a holiday makes it sound like it is an official Civcraft holiday, that is against everything I felt Civcraft was about. The moderators should not take a side, the in game admins stay away from drama and taking sides in game, why can the subreddit admins not only take sides on the subreddit, but make things official Civcraft holidays?

          [–]ttk2Free Software Fanatic[M] 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          We can't balance the subreddit in any fashion and reddit is not designed to handle true lack of moderation.

          As much as I might be interested in coding a true zero moderator decentralized self operating posting board, that is not what we have here.

          What we have here is a poorly designed , easily gamed, and impossible to balance popularity system sitting on top of the most valuable resource in any society simulation, public perception across all groups. Ideally the subreddit would not exist and people would have to communicate in game or at least though their own sets of subreddits, making it harder to manipulate everyone at once. (for example even your goal right now is manipulation of public opinion to support yourself).

          The goal of allowing CivHolidays is to try and get some interesting tangential discussion going, your goal with your Civholiday was to spam/parody the actual CivHolidays. Its not a big deal just somthing we decided to try, we will make some judgments when its over in a few months.

          [–]llShadyGuyllRyden's Right Hand - ew 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          The goal of allowing CivHolidays is to try and get some interesting tangential discussion going

          http://www.reddit.com/r/Civcraft/comments/20en7r/civholiday_3141592_happy_pi_day/

          We can have tangential discussions about 3/14 but not 4/20? :c

          [–]ttk2Free Software Fanatic 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          Parody post is more the discussion here.

          [–]serverError404#FreeOJD2014[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          I agree with your problems with the subreddit, I have been a huge advocate for creating a Civcraft forums that does not have the public opinion aspect pushing posts down and up. Just because the system is not perfect it does not warrant the admins choosing what is relevant and what isn't.

          Im fine with moderation of the subreddit, I absolutely am against over moderation of the subreddit. If something is posted that has absolutely nothing to do with Civcraft, I have no problem with it's removal, but mine actually had some slight relevancy, it had as much, actually more relevancy than some of the Civholiday posts.

          [–]ttk2Free Software Fanatic[M] 4 ポイント5 ポイント

          your contradicting yourself, if admins can't chose whats relevant then how can you agree with any moderation? Obliviously we have to determine relevance to make any judgement.

          Your argument has no coherent meaning.

          [–]serverError404#FreeOJD2014[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          The moderation of the subreddit should be based on 1 thing, is it relevant to Civcraft. That should be rather easy to determine.

          [–]ttk2Free Software Fanatic 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          Easy to determine? The irony of you saying that is incredible.

          [–]kovio"most people on this server have autism." Raz0rblade, 4/2/2014 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          What we have here is a poorly designed , easily gamed, and impossible to balance popularity system sitting on top of the most valuable resource in any society simulation, public perception across all groups.

          This is why we should use a forum, and ditch the sub.

          [–]xpNcshitposting is a art 7 ポイント8 ポイント

          I'm so sick of all this oppression

          [–]llShadyGuyllRyden's Right Hand - ew 2 ポイント3 ポイント

          reddit is already bad enough without having mod-sanctioned shit posts :c

          [–]Koentinius| (• ◡•)| (❍ᴥ❍ʋ) 8 ポイント9 ポイント

          Didn't you know ServerError? CivHolidays are only OK if you are a social justice warrior.

          [–]doobryPOTION SHOP ORION http://i.imgur.com/g4i4ysH.jpg 2 ポイント3 ポイント

          Weed smokers are not oppressed enough.

          [–]RedPrairieDogis just saying this for attention. 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          by the UN they are

          [–]bodhidharma6AnCap Pride Worldwide 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          I'm pretty sure all the "deleted" CivHoliday-ish things have just been low-effort parodies that contribute even less than detractors claim the actual CivHolidays do. I might take this seriously when it's something else, but until then I'll just sit back and read all the "No way man, Ferret/Weed day totally serious, I really tried!" comments.

          Fact is that the only people who are all twisted up about CivHolidays are generally reactionaries and the like who are more upset about their "Social Justice Warrior" content than anything like relevancy. Do I really need to spell out who these usual suspects are? This was patently obvious before but now that SE404 has joined the chorus the jig is up for reals.

          [–]CommieLiberatorlifetime0fwar | All Glory to the Soviet 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          Actually the Weed Holiday was well written and thought out.

          [–]grumpfatherDo you even understand the pragmatics of English, angry person? -1 ポイント0 ポイント

          [–]SaleelBattutaDevourer of Worlds, Killer of Fun 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          I'm on a bus, so I can't respond fully, but I have already explained this before, how AFC got the posts approved, and why.

          Go through the same process and we'll talk then.

          [–]serverError404#FreeOJD2014[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント

          I don't think I should have to go through a process, I don't need to ask the moderators for permission to have a Civholiday. Do you really think you would have approved National Cannabis Appreciation day, or god forbid National White Pride day. The minute we start allowing admins to have full discretion over what can and can't be done on civcraft, whether it be through a holiday or whatever it may be. Is the day the the Civcraft experiment is broken because the admins have the power to pick winners and losers.

          I play Civcraft because it is a server that the users basically run, ttk2 and the other moderators make sure the very few rules in place and enforced and the server is running fine, and the players shape Civcraft into whatever they want it to be. If I wanted a server whose direction is created entirely by the admins, I would play another server. The Civholiday posts may be a small thing that is almost irrelevant, but it is the principle behind it.

          [–]axusgrad 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          I saw it earlier this morning. Besides the "official holiday" part being weird, it seemed like a fair post, not outside of the guidelines.

          [–]VithonQueer Vegan LSIF Scum -3 ポイント-2 ポイント

          Weed's just fuckin stupid. That's about it.

          [–]xmatt24I'm in yo vein mining yo diamonds 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          Ya' just got to 420 glaze doughnut it muh friend

          [–]rugdoc95Yolo Swaggins -5 ポイント-4 ポイント

          Try telling that to sanwi

          [–]Farley50King of the RedHats 3 ポイント4 ポイント

          More like Sanweed

          Amirite??

          [–]Juz16Dark Horse 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          FARLEY ADD ME TO THE GROUPS FOR AURORAS ROAD AND VAULTS PLS

          [–]Farley50King of the RedHats 1 ポイント2 ポイント

          only if you grab a beer with me irl

          [–]Juz16Dark Horse 0 ポイント1 ポイント

          no farles pls

          [–][deleted] -1 ポイント0 ポイント

          [Some] Admins are real dicks on here which is a shame because I though it'd found the server for me, I guess even a trivial amount of power can and will be used to ruin certain peoples days.

          BLAZEIT