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Creating a transparent /r/technology - Part 1 (self.technology)

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[–]dashed 43 ポイント44 ポイント 前

/u/Maxwellhill doesn't do ANY moderation and only uses his seniority to block the ideas of new moderators.

If this is true, then s/he should do the entire community a favor and step down.

[–]Maxion 33 ポイント34 ポイント 前

Heh, that won't ever happen. He likes being #1 too much.

[–]dashed 13 ポイント14 ポイント 前

Is it possible to get an admin involved then? There should and must be due process regarding this.

[–]Maxion 14 ポイント15 ポイント 前

Nope, they won't get directly involved, that would set a very bad precedent.

They could become involved indirectly, by e.g.instituting some site wide rule on moderator activity or further decreasing the amount of default subreddits you can moderate.

[–]GodOfAtheism 9 ポイント10 ポイント 前

I would not be opposed to 1 (Maybe two.) default per mod, with Kylde the exception for spamhunting. I have a feeling I can guess who would be opposed though...

[–]karmicviolence 7 ポイント8 ポイント 前

One default subreddit per moderator is plenty, especially considering the largest default subreddits have more than five million users.

[–]dashed 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

I wonder if anyone can calculate/graph if it is statistically "humanly" possible for current mods of the top subreddits to moderate submissions at their current submission pace, and as well as comments.

Then we can see how productive any mods are.

[–]arrkane -3 ポイント-2 ポイント 前

See the fiasco that was the /r/atheism sub take-over and the cross-proliferation of mods there. The sub went from a few mods to having tons.

A number of the new mods went ahead and added each other to their subs, eventually everyone seemed to be connected to everyone elses. The nepotism and cronyism was sickening.

This is what it transformed to after the coup. And here are the mods and their forums moderated. And another visual with the mods info. Credit to /u/libbyjon for putting this together.

It hasn't happened here, yet, thankfully, but gives you an idea of what can and does happen.

[–]izzy 12 ポイント13 ポイント 前

Yet three or 4 people having the control is better?

[–]arrkane 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

I don't believe anyone is advocating that. There is no need for guard-rail to guard-rail. Happy mediums can be found, and hopefully with added transparency this sub can continue to grow.

[–]TheRedditPope 19 ポイント20 ポイント 前

What I think is interesting is that most of the new mods here are just Anutensil's friends from the mod list over at /r/WorldNews. We should really be asking her why these people were installed as mods and why members of this very community were kicked out by her in favor of her friends. How is this acceptable?

Edit: For whatever reason the mod here Anutensil has been linking to the comment above. Even still, this question has not been answered. Also, if you read along, the person who made the comment above actually changed his position and no longer supports his original message. See here. These technology mods play such strange games while important questions are left on the table.

[–]ManWithoutModem 7 ポイント8 ポイント 前

The sub went from a few mods to having tons.

And a huge improvement in terms of quality too, funny how things work like that.

A number of the new mods went ahead and added each other to their subs, eventually everyone seemed to be connected to everyone elses. The nepotism and cronyism was sickening.

Look at the modlist now compared to then, k.

It hasn't happened here, yet, thankfully, but gives you an idea of what can and does happen.

Compare the modlist of /r/worldnews to the new modlist of /r/technology now, lol.

[–]arrkane -2 ポイント-1 ポイント 前

And a huge improvement in terms of quality too, funny how things work like that.

That is purely your opinion. And quality is subjective.

The sub is functionally and fundamentally no different now than it was before the wholesale changes were implemented, leading to massive subscriber loss. Most of the changes championed by the new mods were rolled back, one after the other.

Look at the modlist now compared to then, k.

Is it much different? I don't see many changes.

It hasn't happened here, yet, thankfully, but gives you an idea of what can and does happen

The point was about the massive number of new mods, for no apparent reason. You are correct, however, about the cross-pollination. But this was addressed by others in this thread.

[–]Maxion 5 ポイント6 ポイント 前

With the current permissions filter I think the rule should take that into account. I.e. only have it count towards modship if you have access to add/remove mods or the modqueue.

[–]ManWithoutModem 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

y u do this goa

[–]GodOfAtheism 3 ポイント4 ポイント 前

i still luv u bby

[–]ani625 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

Update: Max is only a mod of 2 defaults as of now.

Edit: Spelling

[–]STEMroach -3 ポイント-2 ポイント 前

How about no one can moderate more than five subreddits, default or not. Or would that fuck up you and your friends power grabbing plans?

[–]GodOfAtheism 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

lol

Because /r/rainymood and /r/heaven should each consume 20% of my modding capacity right?

[–]PondLife 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

He has a point. If so many people are worried that that too much power is in the hands of too few then perhaps a way to limit any groups influence is have rules on how many subreddits any one person can mod.

If you want to mod small circlejerk/novelty/niche subteddits then fine. If you want to mod large, serious sub's fine. You could even do both but you couldn't have more than say five subs.

It would go a long way to redemocratising this website. There is too much power and influence in the hands of inbred mod cabals at the moment

[–]dashed 9 ポイント10 ポイント 前

That's what I was thinking. If petty moderator politics are in the way for users to actually moderate the subreddit, then admins must mediate this, especially for a subreddit that's formally a default. It's been clearly shown that /r/technology mods are unable to properly appoint new mods without having them demoded the very next day.

Reddit admins have a stake in any default subreddit because they reflect the 'image' of Reddit (i.e. the frontpage). This 'stake' doesn't mean that admins actually dictate/moderate the subreddit, but they moderate the moderators of the subreddit, of which they give the privilege to be a default.

[–]ManWithoutModem 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Your comment with the screenshot was removed btw, might want to repost it.

[–]TheRedditPope 17 ポイント18 ポイント 前

EDIT: I am editing this top comment because the original comment on this thread got removed by the people preaching to us about how open and transparent they are now. The comment above that was removed called for Anutensil and Maxwellhill to resign. At last check, this comment had over 200 upvotes in just a few shot hours. Enough to put it on the front page if it were a submission.

EDIT 2: It appears as if other comments in this thread critical of the mods have also been removed. Clearly openness and transparency are a big priory.

We had to force out mods like Anutensil and Max from /r/politics for bad behavior. We asked them to resign but they never did. Even when all the mods voted to have them demodded they never did the honorable thing and resigned and instead had to be kicked out. Fortunately, /r/politics has gotten so much better without them there.

[–]ky1e 6 ポイント7 ポイント 前

/r/Politics is leagues beyond what it once was, good job with turning it around.

[–]TheRedditPope 6 ポイント7 ポイント 前

Thank you. It literally could never have happened while they were there. They were tops mods of r/Politics and screwed it up like Technology. At least we rid ourselves of them.

[–]Myrtox 3 ポイント4 ポイント 前

How did you force them out?

[–]TheRedditPope 8 ポイント9 ポイント 前

Unlike /r/technology, the /r/politics subreddit is not run by Qg and his gang of cronies. Instead, /r/politics has an awesome top mod named /u/britishenglishpolice who is a 7 year Redditor. BEP likes diverse teams that work together. Everything in /r/politics is decided by a vote and BEP mostly acts as a tie breaker when needed. After years of abuse in some cases, the other mods at /r/politics eventually voted to remove the problem mods by a extremely wide majority. Anutensil was removed for toxic behavior and abusing other mods. She was given documented warnings about this behavior time and time again. Eventually, everyone had had enough. Max and Qg were kicked out for not adhering to the minimum activity requirements. After months of doing nothing these two were voted out by sweeping majorities.

BEP is not like Qg. When the mods make a vote, he honors it. That's how we rid ourselves of them.

[–]sPiN87x 9 ポイント10 ポイント 前

Looks like the solution to many reddit problems would be to remove /u/maxwellhill and /u/anutensil/ from reddit alltogether.

But, imagine the backlash in /r/subredditdrama :c

[–]RogueX7 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

Popcorn for Days!

[–]WhiteKurono 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

the backlash

I think you misspelt butter

[–]Trixette 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

I can't speak for the whole the sub, but I'd be delighted to see that submission in /r/subredditdrama.