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Mod Announcement: Homeless Bill asked to step downOfficial (self.OutreachHPG)

submitted ago by Serious_TableThud, Son of Thud[M]

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[–]Wraith547 9 ポイント10 ポイント 前

I disagree with this action.

I read the majority of the bitchfight between him and the trolls and I think he was reasonable. Unless there are things that went on aside from this I think you are making a mistake. People are allowed to express their opinions even if they are mods. We are not required to be civil on r/MWO. That is the whole point of their sub.

If you are willing to take the downvotes you can say whatever you want. I don't see why Bill was held to a different standard.

PS: The Victors, Buddahs, etc of the world are not interested in growing the franchise. They enjoy feeling important on a sub where a hatejerk makes you cool.

[–]Homeless-BillQQ Mercs 3 ポイント4 ポイント 前

I don't see why Bill was held to a different standard.

Because I was a moderator. Having the figureheads of the sub engaging in petty, needless fights is wholly different than if I'd done so as a regular user. I was clearly nowhere near the harassment-grade trolling of kbilly, but coming from a moderator, it's pretty unacceptable.

[–]Wraith547 5 ポイント6 ポイント 前

Well I respectfully disagree. I am glad you can take off the mod hat with dignity.

[–]CongzillaAntares Scorpions 5 ポイント6 ポイント 前

You weren't a mod there so it shouldn't matter. Are we going to remove a mod for talking shit on /r/nfl too?

[–]GopherladHouse Kurita 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

I think the fact that /r/mwo and /r/OutreachHPG are considered "sister subs" makes this a unique case. The subs are sort-of two sides of the same coin and (as someone whose only been playing for about 3 months) I view them as one single community. It makes sense that Bill's actions are held accountable on both subs.

[–]CongzillaAntares Scorpions 7 ポイント8 ポイント 前

If we were a single community we wouldn't need two subs, I find the insinuation that they are sister subs to be absurd.

[–]ZuFFuLuZHouse Davion 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

Agreed. I unsubbed from /r/mwo as soon as this one was created, because I wanted to get away from that toxic, negative atmosphere. The two subs couldn't be more different.

[–]moodog72 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

As much as I hear it said, I don't consider them a sister sub. They were home once. Home became too polluted to support life, so we found a new home among the stars. It is two subs about the same topic. Do you think they remove their mods who stir up crap here? If Homeless just wants to be done with the work of modding, I get that. But he should not be stepping down for calling a spade a spade. (that's a shovel to you children who think I've said something racist).

[–]heimdelightHouse of Lords (twitch.tv/heimdelight) 3 ポイント4 ポイント 前

I want to put things into perspective for a second here. Homeless Bill, this decision is a little over-dramatic. You are a regular user, mod or not.

You're just the moderator of a MechWarrior: Online subreddit. You have every right to express your opinion as a redditor as long as your actions as a mod are as neutral and objective as possible, while working with other moderators. That is what reddit is for, and majority of the time, we agree with what you do with your honest opinion. You have no fear or necessity to hide behind anything and I admire that a lot. I'd take you with your few tiny flaws and thousand successes over many other people who could moderate here.

You were a great moderator, Bill. But it is what it is, time to move on.

This small community (or mod team? maybe the community disagrees with mod action?) needs to get off it's high-horse a bit and relax.

[–]Homeless-BillQQ Mercs 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

It's certainly debatable whether or not moderators should be held to a higher standard for what they do elsewhere on reddit. But Serious is serious about integrity and civility. He doesn't want it to be just another sub, and he doesn't want Outreach's name attached to dragon-poking and petty fights.

Since the very beginning, I've been here to support Serious and his vision. If I'm becoming a detriment to that, I'd rather step down. It's not that I'd do everything like him if I was running the show, but I prefer to get behind someone with principles and a vision I agree with.

If it's any consolation, I got off my high horse and get to relax now =D

[–]heimdelightHouse of Lords (twitch.tv/heimdelight) 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

:) Yes, stress relief is very nice. I'm happy you're happy with the decision dude.

I just.. don't like the idea of the subreddit to be entirely Serious_Table's vision. It's only fair to make it yours and Siri's as well, but that's up to Serious_Table since he created the subreddit. I think all of you guys combined worked great together but when not in unison (in a state of stagnation) things became dissonant and less harmonic than it was when the sub first started.

Mods are supposed to represent the community, not themselves.

[–]Ed_Elrich 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Its not a democracy lol

[–]heimdelightHouse of Lords (twitch.tv/heimdelight) 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Eh, I guess you're right. But a community would ideally work best if the moderators represented what the community wanted. Making it entirely one person's vision is short-sighted and a little bit narrow if you ask me, but that's only because I believe people work better as a team than on their own :)

[–]Ed_Elrich 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

Table is the only reason HPG exists AND is the only reason its holding together. I think youd be happy for his vision at this point

[–]heimdelightHouse of Lords (twitch.tv/heimdelight) -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

That's absolutely insincere of you considering Homeless Bill and Siriothrax have done a great job adding content themselves and moderating the SubReddit. To not take their accounts and form of moderation into account within your assessment makes it sound like Serious_Table has done literally everything from the ground up here in this SubReddit, which is not true whatsoever.

I think youd be happy for his vision at this point

I'd be happier if there was one subreddit.

[–]moodog72 -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

If it were a paid position you should be held to a higher standard. A volunteer position wrangling cats and babysitting, overseeing the distribution of imaginary points, is not a real position. I've read the post. It was about as bad as calling someone a doody-head. If you just are tired of it, (heavy hangs the head that wears the crown) I get that, especially considering the pay involved. But then it should be about that. Not for some non-issue like this.

[–]Xabraxis 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

I appreciate that you now see it this way, Bill.

[–]Serious_TableThud, Son of Thud[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

I don't see why Bill was held to a different standard.

Moderators are held to a different standard in every subreddit; that's just the nature of how Reddit works, and quite possibly communities as a whole. In much the same way, Niko and his actions are taken to reflect PGI as their community manager. This is often why community posts have to go through a rough approval process: anything that comes out of Niko's mouth reflects directly on the company and can either help or harm their relationship with the community.

This holds true for subreddit moderation, especially when interacting with a subset of the same community.

[–]Wraith547 5 ポイント6 ポイント 前

I really think that whatever Bill said, that was so terrible, surely impacted the r/MWO crowds opinion of this subreddit. /s

I don't have a dog in the fight. I don't care about whether Bill is a mod. I just think that getting rid of him is over moderation.

Just my opinion. I realize this is your subreddit to run as you please.

[–]ArmyofWonHouse Marik 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

He isn't banned, just no longer a mod?

[–]TheTucsonTarmacHouse Steiner 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

PS: The Victors, Buddahs, etc of the world are not interested in growing the franchise. They enjoy feeling important on a sub where a hatejerk makes you cool.

This. I could add a bunch of names to that list, but it's against the rules.