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GNOME Foundation Budget Troubles FAQ (wiki.gnome.org)

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[–]blackcain -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

some features were removed because it didn't make sense in the design, GNOME changed from a collection of components into a cohesive design.

Look, you can get every kind of XP inspired interface out there, there are so many out there. Why aren't we allowed to do something different? Why must everything conform to the XP interface?

[–]karma-is-meaningless 3 ポイント4 ポイント 前

Some features, on the other hand, were removed because you decided it was easier to remove bad code than fix it -- bonus: see how nice and informative the developers were. And some other features were removed because you decided it was easier to maintain software that had less interface options.

You can experiment with whatever interface you want. I'm not trying to stop you. But you had your userbase and you repeatedly ignored their complaints.

To me, as well as to others, your ruined a great product.

So now part of your users have decided they hate your product. That's one of the consequences of your choices.

[–]trtry [score hidden] 前

yes they plan on maintaining a few lines of code so they can take money and shift it to their women's program, they cannibalised Nautilus.

[–]blackcain [score hidden] 前

Yes. The developer could have handled that better. He probably regrets his choice of words. On the other hand, transparency isn't a particularly great feature. It looks great, but it is hard to read and if it simplifies the code then all the better. There are plenty ofother terminals you can use with GNOME 3 that will work just fine. There is no hard coded use of gnome-terminal anywhere.

While we have lost some of hte user base, we have attracted others. As the codebase matures, I expect things to continue to improve. We aren't done changing the GNU/Linux world yet. :-)

Part of the userbase is a bit insane. They take such things very personally. There are people who even though they don't use GNOME and haven't in 10-12 years will rant about how they loved GNOME 1.4 and we betrayed them.

[–]karma-is-meaningless [score hidden] 前

Yes. The developer could have handled that better. He probably regrets his choice of words.

I seriously doubt. I don't see any sign of regret or disapproval there. The least I would expect was some developer to quickly drop by and explain why the feature was removed in a more decent manner. But before that happened an admin came and bashed people for posting links to the bug report in forums.

That's a shame, but, look... I'm not trying to make a point based on a single case. I'm not trying to blame it all on a single developer. Working, useful features have been removed from Gnome more than once. And similar (though not as blunt) responses have been given to us.

On the other hand, transparency isn't a particularly great feature. It looks great, but it is hard to read and if it simplifies the code then all the better.

I agree that some features should be abandoned in favor of better stuff. However, they should be abandoned for good reasons. And better stuff should be given. If features are removed because the codebase has became messy, then get ready for disappointment.

Also, the solution to removing transparent background was to remove the whole background tab. And with that you also removed terminal background completely. And that is a really great feature. Having a smooth background instead of a plain black screen is way better to the eyes when your IDE is terminal + vi + gdb.

There are plenty ofother terminals you can use with GNOME 3 that will work just fine.

When I noticed Gnome Terminal had lost its background, I was already back to Xfce. That's when I gave up on Gnome Terminal as well. ;-)

But, again, my beef here is not with a single application. It's with the project philosophy. Let me illustrate it with Nautilus.

Even though I had switched back to Xfce, I was still using Nautilus because it was so much better than Thunar. But a few upgrades after I dropped Gnome Terminal, I realized Nautilus had gave up compact view. Well, I missed it, it was really useful for me in a few directories with lots of files with long names. But it was still better than Thunar. Then I noticed F3 no longer split the window in two. Bummer... but Thunar didn't have that feature... so, well, ok... ish. But then, a few upgrades later, I noticed Nautilus would use the same display setting for every single directory and the interface offered no option to change back to each directory having a different display setting. Finally, I realized I no longer knew how to navigate the interface to make Nautilus open a certain type of file with an application that was not installed in the menu. Jeez! How many more features could Nautilus lose? That was the end of it for me. Time to check out Thunar.

Part of the userbase is a bit insane. They take such things very personally. There are people who even though they don't use GNOME and haven't in 10-12 years will rant about how they loved GNOME 1.4 and we betrayed them.

I wasn't here when Gnome 2 came, but Gnome 3 has been a huge disappointment to me. Over and over. And every time you touched my favorite applications, they became less and less interesting and useful to me.

Maybe in 10-12 years, if Gnome still exists, it will be a decent desktop environment again. But, for now, I feel like you betrayed me. Well, not really. I won't get that emotional. But I just don't feel like spending more time testing new releases of Gnome only to be disappointed again and again. I switched back to Xfce and I'm happy with it. I only hope more people will do the same and help improve it.