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Warning: YouTube personalities and other content producers that repeatedly submit their own content may be at an elevated risk of an admin shadowban, due to the banning spree of many Dota 2 personalities. : tf2 (reddit.com)

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[–]TheEnigmaBlade(NA)[M] [score hidden] 前

Unlike a number of other subreddits, like /r/Dota2, we created and enforce our own version of reddit's spam rule. Our reason for enforcing such a rule, much to the annoyance of certain users, is to protect the subreddit's content creators and warn them if they are in danger of getting shadowbanned. As a content creator with little knowledge of reddit rules, would you rather be warned and then verbosely banned for a week or permanently banned without knowing?

The problem is once users leave the subreddit. The admins, for the most part, leave the definition and enforcement of spam up to the mods of a subreddit; if a user only posts within a single subreddit, they are subject to the subreddit's spam rules and the admins will likely leave them alone unless prompted. Once the user post their content elsewhere on reddit, they are no longer only subject to subreddit rules and admins are free to step in.

Keep in mind spam isn't the only reason people get shadowbanned; violating any of reddit's five rules will result in a ban. I guarantee a number of the recent bans, which I have been calling the "Great eSports Purge of 2014", are due to manipulation of votes. It's a rather different discussion, so I'll leave it for a different time.

[–]blessthedong [score hidden] 前

so you guys aka mods where playing fav with content people and where not in forcing the rule so the admins had to in force the rule for you? like playing fav with ongamers etc letting them get a free pass?

[–]karenias [score hidden] 前

They don't play favourites, they simply have a more lax definition of spam than reddit sitewide if they remained in this particular subreddit. If content creators only posted to this particular subreddit, this more lax definition would apply to all content creators who wished to appeal to those subbed to this sub.

[–]classy_motherfucker 12 ポイント13 ポイント 前

I don't mind people that post their videos/articles every now and then. But there are many that submit links that generate them revenue on a dailly or quasi-dailly basis. And not only that they submit it but they use their brand's social media and their skype group and so on to ensure it hits the front page.

At that point it's less of contribution to the community and more of a way to evade paying Reddit for ad banners.

[–]McDrewbs 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

Currently there is this on the front page, and looking back over /u/bigfatlpjiji's post history, aside from commenting in his own posts, he spends zero time being a part of this community.

Also, PBE patch notes, every time one comes out (which is pretty damn often) we have S@20 and RoG having a metaphorical pissing contest. It's not just them that are an issue, but they are the obvious example. I get they are competing for views, but do we really need two posts on it every time just because they both want the ad revenue?

RoG

S@20

Both posted at roughly identical times (maybe an hour between them), with practically identical content (the only difference is one has Twitch's lore update), both showing splash arts, so no actual game changes. Is this really adding to the community?

[–]RunsorHits [score hidden] 前

I think moobeat and rog add to the community, the topics give us an outlet to bitch about beta server changes

[–]McDrewbs [score hidden] 前

They do add to the community, but do we really need the same patch notes twice is the question? I can see no value in having the same patch notes twice just because two separate websites want the views from it.

[–]Efele [score hidden] 前

Then upvote the one you find more appealing and don't upvote the other.

[–]WeaverOne [score hidden] 前

anyone else actually glad? now we won't be seeing the same people's videos in first page that much!

[–]tsjb 16 ポイント17 ポイント 前

Reddit isn't a dumping ground for bloggers and videomakers. I know everyone is super angry and pitchforky about this right now but I found it pretty tiring to see the same handful of people posting their stuff over and over without making any effort to be a part of the community.

[–]Demtrollzz 4 ポイント5 ポイント 前

They will just make multiple alter ego accounts and post their content from them.

[–]Dooraven[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

I agree. But Cyborgmatt? LD? Basically all of Gosugamers? Those have been part of the Dota community for ages.

[–]tsjb 10 ポイント11 ポイント 前

Mostly I was talking about people in the LoL community, since this is /r/leagueoflegends.

[–]Dooraven[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

Thoorin contributes a lot so does Travis (happily he didn't get shadowbanned). So do Drexxin and Prehistorique.

[–]tsjb 11 ポイント12 ポイント 前

I don't want to name names but some of the people you listed there are the exact people I had in mind while making my original comment.

[–]jksad [score hidden] 前

Their content is usually really good. For me I would prefer having the frontpage filled with interviews than cosplay/fanart but obviously people like different stuff.

[–]GriefTheBro 9 ポイント10 ポイント 前

But it is actual content that people want to see.

[–]Lanyovan 3 ポイント4 ポイント 前

Reddit isn't meant to be a feed though.

[–]Wildhawk -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

The simple rule for a community site to be successful: Don't delete anything that people like and that is not witch hunting or illegal.

[–]Lanyovan 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

GD?

[–]opallix [score hidden] 前

Nah dude, GD is successful!

Clearly moderation is unnecessary. I mean, just look at how much nicer /r/atheism was before the takeover of /u/jijler!

[–]tsjb [score hidden] 前

The fact that Digg is dead and Reddit is a gigantic site seems to disagree.

[–]BillTheDoor [score hidden] 前

Reddit is way too big a site to be micromanaged like that. Those rules have existed for ages and are well known. They are very broad because it's infinitely simpler to deal with the few people who get banned unjustly than the huge amount of spamming and extra moderation that would be needed otherwise.

[–]seatron [score hidden] 前

That's probably not the rule for successful community sites. I'm not even sure if you could say it's a rule.

[–]WeaverOne [score hidden] 前

basically, with larger communities, the chances of the content being well repetitive is higher, such as Memes, here in /r/leagueoflegends are banned, while on /r/diablo they are not. seems like the same thing is going for other sites, Reddit have become an ad banner to showcase themselves

[–]SNAAAAAAAAAKE [score hidden] 前

I dunno why people always bring up Travis when mentioning people that aren't trying to "game" the system. 99% of his comments are about his job or his videos. His account right now has several pages worth of him talking about his interviews and bitching about the shadowbans (also apparently /r/starcraft absolutely dislikes him). I know people here like him, but he really is no different than any other person trying to use reddit as a view counter machine to gain ad revenue.

[–]bondsmatthew 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

Didn't Travis get shadowbanned at one point? My mind must be slipping me.

[–]Dooraven[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

Yeah he did ages ago. He wasn't banned in this wave though.

[–]PrestoWILLIAM [score hidden] 前

I'm about 100% positive Travis has been shadowbanned before.

[–]xRoBust[TaintedSiesta] (EU-W) [score hidden] 前

Even so, the important figures of the DOTA2 community have been shadow banned or told to stop using Reddit, its ridiculous.

[–]Chief_H 3 ポイント4 ポイント 前

They still didn't follow site-wide rules, and the Admins aren't going to make an exception just because people like the content. None of those users needed to post their own content as I'm fairly certain someone would end up posting it for them anyway as /r/dota2 enjoys the content. If other users posted it, they wouldn't have been banned for blogspam.

Its unfortunate that they were banned, but it could have been avoided by following the rules. Whether or not you agree or disagree with the rules doesn't change the fact that the admins can enforce their rules when they are violated.

[–]Callizero [score hidden] 前

Good, I'm sick and tired of seing Siv, Travis etc posting their own shit constantly it's annoying as heck you cant even get a good read in the comment section about from "SIV <33" "Travis, your so troll!" you mention about of critism and get downvoted into oblivion by the fan boys. Now you have Jiji on the front page today, a guy who types like a 10year old girl l0l and only contributes in the thread that he posted and doesnt do jack shit in anything else.

[–]Dc_Soul [score hidden] 前

Ye, we need more Riot pls and pls nerf/buff that content. Way better then actual interesting things and things worth to watch.

[–]S7EFEN 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

It's people or accounts which ONLY post their own content, effectively using Reddit for free advertising.

[–]xDangermouse [score hidden] 前

if Travis /u/Tnomad doesn't post in this thread I'm going to go ahead and assume he was shadowbanned AGAIN.

[–]yackfoot 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

If only the rules were consistent, so they ban the mods of big default subs that only post blogspam garbage that they have deals to promote.

[–]LiterallyKesha [score hidden] 前

What are you talking about? Do you have any specific examples of default mods posting websites they get paid for?

[–]Riol07[Fatal Edge] (EU-W) -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

Honestly though i have no opinion on this topic i must say that out of all content creators on this subreddit i feel like Travis is one of the best if not the best and he also contributes to the discussions on his posts too.

[–]inexorabledonger -2 ポイント-1 ポイント 前

This is due to the 9:1 ratio requirement-Reddit requires that you contribute nine times (comments count) for every post you make that will directly benefit you.

[–]PuroYO 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

Which results in white noise chat like entering random posts to say "haha that's very good" which offers nothing.