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[–]matthe2 184 ポイント185 ポイント

So DotaCinema, 2p.com and Ongamers.com people affected by shadowbans so far. Waiting for joinDOTA, GGnet, TL.net :D

[–]x256 105 ポイント106 ポイント

That's what happens when reddit is basically the only outlet and source of news for all the other dota-related websites. I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of their traffic comes solely from reddit.

[–]schwab002 73 ポイント74 ポイント

Well I think /r/dota2 is the the main hub people come to for dota2 content and news. For example, I love esportsexpress, nerfnow, and even the official dota2 blog from valve, but I never go to those sites without going through this subreddit first. I won't see their content unless it's upvoted enough to make the first page or two of /r/dota2 (well the official blog I'd see in game I guess).

edit: There are other outlets, joindota for example, but I think most people prefer the the subreddit. It's really the best at combining the different types of dota content and news. The admins need to realize this and stop the bans. If the people of /r/dota2 don't want the content, then just don't upvote it. That should filter out the spam from the quality content without needing to ban content creators.

[–]tehgreatist 22 ポイント23 ポイント

as a denizen of /r/dota2, i have no idea why these people are being banned.

they dont spam, they provide unique content.. what more do you want?

i had no idea this was even happening. why the fuck would you ban cyborgmatt?? seriously?? get your shit together mods of /r/dota2. this is not what the people want.

[–]Oberyn_The_Red_Viper 27 ポイント28 ポイント

It's the site moderators of reddit no the ones of the specific subreddit doing it from what i understand

[–]Piemonkey 7 ポイント8 ポイント

I've seen this kind of thing before. This wasn't a mod ban. If the mods of /r/dota2 did their jobs enforcing reddit's rules in the first place, they probably would not have been banned.

they dont spam,

No, that's exactly what they were doing and why they got banned. I can't speak for cyborgmatt but everyone else were banned for having accounts almost entirely self-promotional in nature.

It's not just /r/dota2 that's had members banned. r/starcraft and /r/leagueoflegends as well. The fact is that the esports subs did not enforce reddit's rules and it was only a matter of time before the admins stepped in so as to avoid another /r/adviceanimals situation.

It's not like I like it either. Slasher is one of the guys banned and he's probably the best esports journalist in the business. As someone who wants game journalism to be better, that is seriously a big blow. But the fact of the matter is that these guys were all breaking reddit's rules and reddit is bigger than just r/dota2.

[–]Seoul_Sister 10 ポイント11 ポイント

Right, but the rules don't exist for the sake of the rules. Rules exist for the sake of service. If the rules are detrimental, then they're not a service.

There's no reason to just appeal to rules for the sake of rules.

[–]Piemonkey 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Yes, and reddit is bigger than just r/DOTA2. What was considered a service here was considered detrimental to the site as a whole. Service to /r/DOTA2 was the antithesis to service to reddit. Therefore reddit acted where /r/DOTA2 didn't because /r/DOTA2 state is not as important as reddit proper's.

[–]Jeopardy: This champ has no fucking chinohgao 6 ポイント7 ポイント

spam

noun

1. irrelevant or unsolicited messages sent over the Internet, typically to large numbers of users, for the purposes of advertising, phishing, spreading malware, etc.

verb

1. send the same message indiscriminately to (a large numbers of Internet users).

It's not spam. Maybe it's self-promotional and depending on wording and interpretation not 'contributing to the subreddit', but it's insulting to content creators to call their hard work 'spam'.

[–]U W@ M8ScCTnud 47 ポイント48 ポイント

This is the part where we'd use a forum instead of Reddit for our community...

IF WE HAD ONE

[–]x256 17 ポイント18 ポイント

There ARE forums, such as PlayDota, NADota, and I believe joinDOTA have their own forums. It's just that 2 of them attract niche audiences and the other one is a cesspool.

[–]Spit-wad 29 ポイント30 ポイント

Niche and cesspool are not mutually exclusive.

[–]opterown 17 ポイント18 ポイント

hey, tl.net forums are cool!

[–]MCDayC 6 ポイント7 ポイント

yeah but they give stars to any old dickhead, can't trust em for behavior like that.

[–]opterown 9 ポイント10 ポイント

don't be mean to seeker :o

[–]Admiral McBoatFrailAndBedazzled 5 ポイント6 ポイント

gotem

[–]ricin' in a carry's paradiseCaptainPlatypus 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Yeah, on tl about 10% of the idiots get banned instead of 0.1%, and there aren't anywhere near as many memes. Progress.

[–]JOLLYRANCHERR 6 ポイント7 ポイント

Can't tell if cesspool is NADota or JoinDota

[–]Dakarai007 3 ポイント4 ポイント

why not both?

[–]Guys help, how do I add flair text?DrQuint 14 ポイント15 ポイント

dev.dota2

BUT IT'S SO BAD

So would equally be any other forum.

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[–]Revanide 15 ポイント16 ポイント

For me, personally, I would never visit those sites without an article that directly is related to my interest, which is always one that is on the front page. Ongamers for me is cyborgmatt, and the occasional dota news article, but all of those are on reddit, so i can use here for that. 2p and DC are for me are really minor, but fall into that same catagory nonetheless

[–]@MikeyDOTA2Mikeylicious 100 ポイント101 ポイント

82% Ongamers traffic comes from social networks (reddit falls into this category)

92,22% out of that piece is REDDIT.

tl;dr they are perfect example of what reddit doesn't want on their website.

Also users should check out our beloved news websites more and share on reddit what they find. Maybe that will prevent these website from promoting their content on reddit by themselves.

DotA2 community (the part that follows esports/daily news) is way too much centralized on reddit. Noones fault.


You want to help them? Bookmark Ongamers.com, 2p.com & other news websites or video creators such as Dotacinema. If you see some hot news that got released recently and you wish to share it with your beloved redditors, don't hesitate! Go grab that karma, share the valuable info to redditors & indirectly help these websites and their writers that work so hard to write a nice article.

[–]Seoul_Sister 83 ポイント84 ポイント

So then you have some guy posting "hey, guys, check out the Patch Analysis up on ongamers!!" and it is the exact same thing. Or reddit just demands that Cyborgmatt make terrible white noise posts like everyone else so that he can 'balance' out his 'contributions. It is ridiculous.

If a subreddit has a problem with someone spamming, they should deal with that, but having ratios or an automated system for this is a really, really bad idea.

[–]sptagnew 25 ポイント26 ポイント

No, it isn't the exact same thing. That's how /r/nba deals with ESPN, for example. Someone reads an article they like and they post it themselves. Reddit has an issue with the content creators posting every single thing they make themselves.

[–]Seoul_Sister 14 ポイント15 ポイント

It is functionally, by effect, the same thing. If the problem is that a content creator is spamming, then punish them for spamming. If the content is terrible, then isn't the voting system supposed to handle that? Don't punish them because they didn't meet some ratio of 'lol kappa, this game' posts to 'Here is the April 11th Patch Analysis' posts.

[–]bdzz 14 ポイント15 ポイント

If the content is terrible, then isn't the voting system supposed to handle that?

Yes but in the end the same post won't get the same amount of upvotes if it's been submitted by /u/Seoul_Sister instead of /u/Cyborgmatt for example.

[–]Louiff 8 ポイント9 ポイント

+1 Almost anything Cyborgmatt posts always get upvoted to the top. Even shitty Twitch chat memes.

[–]pomf-pomf 1 ポイント2 ポイント

If it's functionally, by effect, the same thing, then let fans post the content. Fen_ put it well: it would be great if people like dcneil would "actually contribute to the site in a meaningful way outside of being a marketer for [their] company."

[–]x256 6 ポイント7 ポイント

If that were the case, where random people posted articles they found interesting from all these publications, would it really change anything?

The amount of content in total isnt much, so most, if not all of it is going to end up on /r/dota2 with people looking for some sweet karma.

[–]owlmanatt 8 ポイント9 ポイント

If they're promoting their commercial website, they are free to buy ads on reddit.

Self-promotion, particularly for profit, has always been frowned upon.

[–]loldox 3 ポイント4 ポイント

"hey, guys, check out the Patch Analysis up on ongamers!!"

because self-posts don't exist yo

[–]smurfyfrostsmurf 15 ポイント16 ポイント

That's what I don't get.

If we're going to post shit here anyway, who gives a shit which user posted it, the creator himself or the reader.

I can't see any real advantages from having users post stuff instead of content creators. But I can name at least a few advantages from having content creators post(promote) their own stuff, namely consistent titles and quicker posts.

[–]zz_ 16 ポイント17 ポイント

They do it to avoid having people spam their own website for their own gain. Reddit is supposed to be a place where you can share cool stuff you find that's related to a subject, not a place where you promote your personal blog/website/etc - or, if you do it, at least do it in moderation.

That's what the reasoning is, at least.

[–]smurfyfrostsmurf 4 ポイント5 ポイント

not a place where you promote your personal blog/website/etc - or, if you do it, at least do it in moderation.

It's not like they're using upvote bots.. if it's good content, it gets upvotes and the community finds it "cool stuff", if it's worthless then it doesn't get traction.

[–]zz_ 7 ポイント8 ポイント

While that's (generally) true, it's beside the point. The point is that you're not supposed to treat reddit as an advertisement billboard, you're supposed to treat it as a place for sharing cool stuff as well as discussing cool stuff. Having 90% of your submissions being a direct link to an article on the site you're employed by (like Cyborgmatt had) is considered, not unreasonably, spamming.

Yes, some (or all) of the content might have been interesting for people on here. But if that's the case then someone else, who does not have personal gain at stake, will post the link. As you said, if it's good content, it will get upvotes. So why does employees of the website in question have to post the links?

Again, this is why it is that way, and I don't necessarily agree with all of it either. While I think it's a good policy in most cases, I do think that people sometimes have legitimate reasons for posting many links to a specific website. For example there are entire subreddits dedicated to sharing your own comics, deviantarts or what not - people who frequent those websites obviously mostly submit links of those places. And perhaps moderators should be given more control over how much a user can "spam" a subreddit, cause I really do like Cyborgmatt's patch posts and stuff. But I honestly don't think that all of ongamers staff need to post EVERY link that's even remotely related to the game they're working towards.

At least Slasher posted links from dozens of other sites as well, and genuinely spread a lot of different content, but some people (Thooorin especially, but honestly Matt did this a lot too) submitted literally nothing else than what they were paid to.

[–]Jeopardy: This champ has no fucking chinohgao 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I understand the reasoning, but what I don't get is why ban the sites themselves? Even if they're afraid of throwaway accounts used to 'spam' the sites, who's to say normal subreddit users wouldn't repost it instead? Why censor the site entirely just because it was promoted too excessively before?

[–]goldcakes 4 ポイント5 ポイント

They are not upvote botting or anything. The community has found it cool and interesting. Reddit is trying to be a Pinterest image board instead of a Slashdot/digg and its just alienating people like me who joined reddit 5 years ago (shadowbanned for criticizing admins on r/jailbait because that is 100% legal and banning anything that is legal is pure censorship).

[–]sixtyfivedays 22 ポイント23 ポイント

I agree with you but

DotA2 community (the part that follows esports/daily news) is way too much centralized on reddit.

Seems like something reddit would want right? I come here for all things Dota 2. If I have to start going to other sites for content, I would spend less time here.

[–]MegaleioDotA 12 ポイント13 ポイント

I literally only come to Reddit so that all of the news is all in one place..... shadowbanning all these DotA related media people is getting rid of my reason to come here.

Reddit evidentally just wants this to be an armory for the Pitchforks and Torches, where kids can hate on whatever casters and players they're most jelly of at any given time.

That's kool if it's what they want but... for people who come here for purposes besides hate there's going to be no reason left to even visit the site.

[–]Kaprak 8 ポイント9 ポイント

No I want a single stream source for all my dota2 content. Things have been fine here and in other special interest subreddits. Maybe we should be able to moderate what we consider spam instead of having our subreddit taken apart. Nearly every one of our content creators have violated these rules. We need to do something or we'll end up with nothing but fan art, Valve posts, and complaints about MMR.

[–]gostreamzaebal 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Seems like it's very easy to go around it, just create a new account or ask someone to post it for you. Is that not possible?

[–]x256 7 ポイント8 ポイント

Being shady isn't gonna fix this. It's not worth going through all that hassle. The only thing that will solve this is producing content and having features on the website which make people want to bookmark it, and to to go directly to the website instead of checking reddit.

[–]Oooh look, TANGOES!Ciryandor 1 ポイント2 ポイント

GGnet and TeamLiquid are not going to be hurt very much in a site-wide ban except in terms of getting communities together. The communities have significant overlap with Reddit's user base, but many of the users on those sites already directly go to them.

[–]MsStarlight 3 ポイント4 ポイント

True. And to add to that most of these ID's generally just post content and rarely ever contribute to other discussions on the subreddit or share links to content that is not their own. I think that is one of the biggest problems. When the admins looks at it, it definitely feels like they're here to plug the sites rather than actively be a part of any discussion and I can't really blame them for looking at it that way because it is in a way true.

This is hurting our community but if you look at it from the Reddit admins point of view - these threads are more or less traffic loots because they do not know what content we need and what content is posted. They think in numbers and the numbers speak against these submitters.

Unfortunate but that is how it actually is. :( Hopefully DC, onGamers and 2p can talk it out with the admins and get stuff resolved. At least lif the shadow ban on the sites maybe so other users can at least share content they like.

[–]Yamulo 3 ポイント4 ポイント

I'm not sure how much of their own content TL posts on reddit, and the things they do post they usually have a lot of comments. Usually they just use someone's account that works at TL to submit, an account which does make a lot of comments too, so they should be in like with the 1:9 Rule. I think the same applies for joindota

[–]Maelk 298 ポイント299 ポイント

I'm scared and I don't even post on behalf of joinDOTA.

Shiiiiiet.

[–]༼ ᕤ◕益● ༽ᕤ You want some? ლ(●益◕ლ)_Cal 319 ポイント320 ポイント

Change your flair and stay in the trees.

[–]TurtleRanAway 34 ポイント35 ポイント

STAY IN THE TREES

[–]Framp_The_Champ 13 ポイント14 ポイント

But even the trees are out to get you!

[–]TurtleRanAway 3 ポイント4 ポイント

ahh they're gonna get me!

[–]Tobi_Wan_Kenobi 178 ポイント179 ポイント

Maybe it is time to bring a Reddit feature to joinDOTA?

-> Freedom to the people

Thought I would post this before all jD accounts get banned, as I wont stop posting information for the community

[–]#mlg420noscopepowershotsg2n 14 ポイント15 ポイント

Tobi use your sexy red hair to get him unbanned D:

[–]SmallJon 8 ポイント9 ポイント

Go into exile, Tobi! Lead the resistance from safety!

[–]j2corp 3 ポイント4 ポイント

I would abandon reddit and go to other platform provide the platform doesn't censored or downplay other platform.

[–]over here nowevoken1 4 ポイント5 ポイント

This thread is now in slow mode. You may only post replies every 322 seconds.

[–]muyfeo 29 ポイント30 ポイント

Welp, RIP Maelk.

[–]Tuskinton 16 ポイント17 ポイント

Well, Maelk hasn't made a post since this one. I guess it's all over. RIP Maelk x 20.

[–]LastDaysOfMay 4 ポイント5 ポイント

You'll not be the first, nor the second dead. Probably the twentieth tho.

[–]Fen_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント

You're not even close to being in violation of 9:1 or anything. A very large portion of your comments and submissions have absolutely nothing to do with jD, so you're fine.

[–]SpartanAltair15 14 ポイント15 ポイント

Comments don't count, obviously. Cyborgmatt and Neil were both active commenters.

[–]SUNSfan 249 ポイント250 ポイント

BANNED!

[–]Abeneezer[S] 51 ポイント52 ポイント

He was banned entirely? Wow, I hope you guys will approach the admins.

[–]weezer3989 34 ポイント35 ポイント

He was 'just' shadow banned. He wasn't full out banned, which consists of IP bans, instant IP bans for any new accounts, locked out of the account, and password reset disabled, something that has only happened a few times.

[–]GRRRRRRAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHMeshesAreConfusing 8 ポイント9 ポイント

Who has it happened to?

[–]weezer3989 32 ポイント33 ポイント

Most famous (and the first time I think) was to /u/ChuckSpears, mod of /r/niggers when that sub was getting banned and the fallout from that ban.

http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1iefrx/it_appears_chuckspears_rners_mod_was_dunked_by/

Another example is Laurelais-hygiene. Those are the only two off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are more.

http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1kgl1j/laurelaishygiene_has_been_shadowbanned/

[–]Go home fire spirit, you're drunkcesiumpluswater 8 ポイント9 ポイント

Didn't POTATO_IN_MY_ANUS also get full banned?

[–]dcneil 239 ポイント240 ポイント

Im sad.

[–]www.youtube.com/nigmanonameNigmaNoname 336 ポイント337 ポイント

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

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[–]I said. YIELD.DogeOverload 21 ポイント22 ポイント

Expected Rick Roll, severly disappointed.

[–]Hey look, someone dropped a Gem of True Sight!Protosega 10 ポイント11 ポイント

[–]I said. YIELD.DogeOverload 9 ポイント10 ポイント

Satisfactory performance, /u/Protosega.

[–]Hooks for daysMajesticTowerOfHats 24 ポイント25 ポイント

You`re next for the shadowban. Its been an honour sir .o7

[–]FABULOUSsmajdalf11 20 ポイント21 ポイント

[–]Elleanor_ 68 ポイント69 ポイント

This is so stupid, I can't even. I used to like reddit because you could have all the relevant content from Dota sites in the same place. Very efficient. but now I don't know anymore what should I expect...?

[–]g0kartmozart 12 ポイント13 ポイント

The original purpose of reddit was to be a link aggregator, not a free advertising space. There's a fine line there, and they seem to want to draw it at people linking to their own sites which then display ads and provide them revenue. Sites like ongamers and dotacinema are big enough that it doesn't really matter who posts their links at this point. They used reddit to get where they are, but now they have a big enough following there will always be some random community member posting their links regardless.

It's a fundamental flaw with reddit as a whole. Personally I think they should just allow anybody to post any link, because the upvotes decide how high it gets anyways. If people like a link, they will upvote it. Does that become free advertising for a company? Yes, but if the community decides to upvote it then it shouldn't matter.

A separate issue, and I don't know if this is what happened in this situation, is vote rigging. I used help ESFI with their tier lists, and I know they got in trouble in the past at /r/starcraft because their posts received a significant number of upvotes from the same IPs very quickly every time. They would link the reddit post to each other, and everybody would upvote it which would give it momentum in reaching the front page. I know my former school club got in trouble for it on /r/leagueoflegends too. That is a real issue, because you can artificially bump your posts to the front page very easily, regardless of the quality of the content. I don't know if ongamers and dotacinema were doing this or not, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[–]PseudoSomethingYT 306 ポイント307 ポイント

First they came for ongamers, and I did not speak out - For I could use Yawngamers

Then they came for 2p, and I did not speak out - For I could use joindota

Then they came for DotaCinema, and I did not speak out - For I was subscribed to their Youtube channel

Then they came for me - Cus hell, if your gonna ban some of the top content creators, lets just ban everyone.

EDIT: THEY GOT NIGMA!

[–]bobi897 188 ポイント189 ポイント

it makes no fucking sense. The few people who actually make fucking good content get banned. While blogspam occurs in other high ranking subs (/r/politics for example) on a much larger scale with much shittier content. This makes no fucking sense.

[–]Cinder_N 195 ポイント196 ポイント

The admins are being payed off by Riot

[–]ChronicPains 142 ポイント143 ポイント

You have been banned from /r/DotA2

[–]ImmelManGrassWaterDirtHorse 32 ポイント33 ポイント

Riot Plz

[–]Ifthatswhatyourinto 9 ポイント10 ポイント

petition to change /r/DotA2 to /r/pyonyang

[–]zekimar 17 ポイント18 ポイント

to be fair ongamers content on /r/leagueoflegends is also banned

[–]sixtyfivedays 46 ポイント47 ポイント

They are site wide banned.

[–]Do it with flair!I_Hate_Reddit 23 ポイント24 ポイント

He was joking.

[–]solidfake 7 ポイント8 ポイント

I think it was a joke

[–]Cgonzal 12 ポイント13 ポイント

Everyone knows the admins get paid to favor some ideologies, so there's that.

[–]crowbahr 32 ポイント33 ポイント

IT'S CLEAR THAT REDDIT ADMINS ARE LEAGUE ILLOMINATI THEY TAKE OUR DOTA FROM US!

[–]i fap to K-On!burgerbread 12 ポイント13 ポイント

you mean the ilerminaty?

/r/ilerminaty

[–]On-Snow-White-Wings 5 ポイント6 ポイント

LOOMINATI

[–]TECHIESMrX101 3 ポイント4 ポイント

OKE I'M SICK OF THIS, WHERE DO WE POST TO TELL THE REDDIT ADMINS/OWNER TO REMOVE THE STUPID RULE ABOUT POSTING LINKS IN SOCIAL MEDIA, ITS RETARDED.

RIOTTIME

[–]Vash108 2 ポイント3 ポイント

They banned DotA Cinema? WTF WHY?

[–]Abeneezer[S] 17 ポイント18 ポイント

For all of you guys who are genuinely confused about what is happening: I found an article which might apply to this situation.

[–]Mazzaroppi 35 ポイント36 ポイント

Yeah, instead of having the content creators posting themselves, lets have 5-10 posts from different users trying to reap on the karma for every new video/blogpost about Dota2.

That's going to help to keep the spam off reddit.

[–]Sangivstheworld 30 ポイント31 ポイント

welp this subreddit is about to go to shit.

[–]nerifs 15 ポイント16 ポイント

The sad thing is that you have the content creators banned and the new queue full of trash, rant threads, server status, dotabuff links, etc.

[–]http://steamcommunity.com/id/0Hellspawn/0Hellspawn0[M] 132 ポイント133 ポイント

Shadow bans to specific users aren't as big of a concern as a domain ban. As it stands, I don't think there's any reason to connect this case to the current ongamers ban.

Shadow banning particular users that post a bit too much from their site is a very common thing and it gets resolved quickly. Someone from Dotacinema, preferably Neil himself, should contact the admins and the ban should be resolved.

In fact, a couple of Gosugamers submitters have been banned just a couple of hours ago (Tjernobylbarnet for example). We managed to contact the admins and sort out the situation within one hour. Once again, this is a pretty common thing that has always been happening.

tl;dr There shouldn't be any reason to panic over this particular ban.

[–]Oooh, they never miss !Goldman_Sharks 37 ポイント38 ポイント

I have a question. I understand that reddit admins are enforcing site rules and I could be ok with that. But why does all of this happen now ? 2p.com, ongamers, dc|neil within like 3 weeks ? Did yishan wong suddenly decide he would go on a crusade against eSports content producers ? DC, Slasher, Cyborgmatt and such have been there for years, and I have never heard of this issue before. Do you know what's happening ?

[–]http://steamcommunity.com/id/0Hellspawn/0Hellspawn0 59 ポイント60 ポイント

It's possible that they're taking a closer look at the esports subreddits. We don't employ the site-wide rules very strictly so there's a bunch of people and organizations breaking them. We only deal with some extreme cases of vote manipulation and some accounts that were made only to spam reposts on their blog / Youtube channel.

The only two real cases to observe are 2p and ongamers. 2p have been spamming like crazy for some time and I saw their ban coming for a while. I'm pretty sad that I didn't warn Mali in time since I knew what was going to happen eventually. He wasn't even the worst offender, some of their submitters on other subreddits have been going crazy with the spam.

The ongamers one puzzled me a bit though, I never expected Matt and Slasher to be shadow-ban targets due to how much they contribute to reddit outside of their ongamers affiliation. They did do some dodgy shit a couple of times, but for the most part I wouldn't call it spam. I do believe the ongamers ban will be lifted soon, if Reaver's theory is correct their ban will automatically expire after 14 days and is only a "warning ban".

EDIT: They made a post about the situation on esports subreddits about a year ago. The situation was much worse back then though, people openly asking for upvotes on twitter or on their streams. That has stopped for the most part.

[–]Wooshbar 14 ポイント15 ポイント

Why does it matter who posts the content if it is good? I would have never heard of the good articles if they didnt submit it to reddit. What other option is there?

[–]LE'FANBOYSyncyy 20 ポイント21 ポイント

Its not about the content, its about some1 abusing the reddit platform to get people to go to their site.

[–]Dolla DollaPostius 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Considering you can only make 2 type of posts namely Link posts or a text post. Cant be surprised there is a lot of links?

[–]Kaolix 2 ポイント3 ポイント

OMG report mods failing to warn Mali of reddit ganks. Buy more wards.

[–]Dumeck 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Probably because very few of the posts ended up being original content. Too many people were just posting links to their material and then dipping out, not really adding anything to the forum except for advertising.

[–]CantIgnoreMyGirth 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Welp I've unsubbed. If the content creators aren't allowed to post content then I am not really sure what the point of following this sub is. Hopefully this is all just a misunderstanding but if not then what are we supposed to view here? If the point is that other people are supposed to submit the links well then that's useless too since the links will be old and outdated and not currently related to whats going on in the dota scene at the moment, who wants to read a patch analysis that might be from a couple patches ago? Also by removing the creators from submitting the links your also likely to get more spam by many many people submitting links to the new fails of the week which is just going to spam the sub reddit where before only Neil's mattered since its the one people looked for.

[–]2p-scant 36 ポイント37 ポイント

As one of the 2p writers who was banned when our domain was banned, my 2cents:

This issue is a tough one. In our particular case, as others have alluded to, Mali and myself who were the only two 2p writers linking our work in /r/dota2 were doing so a lot less than many other writers were in other subreddits. 2p.com has it especially bad because, like TL, the site is forum-based. non-staff writers can post 'articles' and then promote them on reddit and there's not much anyone can do about it. So in our case, there definitely were users who were spamming completely unwanted and unliked content all over reddit.

That said, the rules say that even what Mali and I were doing is problematic. As I've read in several of these threads, many people find this weird because our content was generally well received. The same is the case for ongamers. Why should it matter who posts the content if it's good for the community and people like it?

Well, supposedly, the issue is that people posting their own content encourages 'voting rings' and vote manipulation. It's more likely if you are posting your own work that you'll ask friends to upvote - and reddit don't want this happening. They want upvotes to be purely based on quality (and downvotes are meant to just indicate that a post is not constructive, does not contribute to the sub, or is irrelevant I think). IMO, downvotes in particular haven't been used in this way for aaaages. The truth is that there is a dirty background to some of this industry. Writers for some sites get their friends and colleagues to upvote their work while writers for competing sites will get their friends and colleagues to downvote the same posts. I hate how 'political' some of the up and downvoting I see on this sub is. For example, the other day, about an hour before the SLTV Europe tiebreakers started, I published an article at 2p.com previewing the tiebreakers and offering some predictions. Someone actually linked it to reddit soon after but I doubt any of you saw it because it got downvoted really hard almost immediately. I can't for the life of me imagine that kind of post being genuinely worthy of downvotes. And no other sites had written similar content previewing the event. Yet, the downvotes were swift and many.

For the record, I personally pretty much never downvote any posts in this sub. I don't care who wrote the article, if it's good/interesting i'll upvote it. If not, I ignore it. The whole notion of downvoting seems heavily distorted - not sure if that's just in this sub (which is by far the one i'm most active in).

Anyway, It's pretty late where I am, and I've started to go on a bit of a tangent. You might be cynical and think that Reddit wants people to pay to get exposure rather than get it for free. Or maybe you accept the given justifications about self-promotion encouraging dodgy voting practices. Maybe it's a bit of both. Personally, I think the site I work for should be paying for advertising on reddit anyway. All of the Dota content sites should do so. It's really not expensive. Meanwhile, I'm trying pretty hard on my new account to abide by the reddit rules. Although it does feel quite contrived, I've started looking for content worth sharing on reddit, to avoid only sharing my own content, and have reduced the frequency with which I will share my own content.

IMO, the biggest problem is that this community uses this site as a hub for finding ALL content and isn't wanting to check each site all the time for updates. That's not necessarily a bad thing per se, but it means that good material is going to struggle to get here organically. It would be cool if, instead of randomly downvoting each other, content creators could at least do one another a favour and share each other's content. Writers from one site sharing content from another site is totally legit afaik.

[–]Louiff 12 ポイント13 ポイント

The problem I have noticed with 2P is that more often then not, you would use Twitter to promote a reddit thread instead of directly linking to your article. If that's not a ploy to get upvotes, I'm not sure what is.

[–]crawfs42 2 ポイント3 ポイント

It's really less about the vote manipulation side and more the advertising and marketing side. As it is reddit doesn't make a whole lot of money especially compared to sites that flood their pages with advertising.

This is the front page with ads, you don't even notice them unlike on sites like Youtube and facebook where they cram them in where ever they can and it's a pain to see.

I'm not disputing how much DC, 2P or OnGamers do for the community but at the same time if you look at reddit as a whole, they definitely don't make a whole lot from their advertising and they don't want people abusing that.

I can see how frustrating it is getting banned honestly out of the blue after having done it for so long. But at the same time I think anyone who has a job like Mali or Matt to post their content on another needs to read the site rules before doing so.

[–]2p-scant 1 ポイント2 ポイント

While I do agree that it's reasonable for serious reddit users to read reddit's rules carefully before using reddit, it's worth noting that one of the main appeals of reddit is how 'easy to use' and 'simple' it presents itself as - quite deliberately, I think. Given this, I think it's a bit more understandable when people start using reddit and never stop to go through the rules carefully, assuming they'll pick everything up through experience / common sense.

And yeah, like I said above, reddit charges very little for advertising (for what is probably excellent value) so I definitely agree that these sites should all be paying for advertising. This doesn't really address the current issue directly though. If they were paying reddit for advertising, would any amount of self-promotion then be okay?

[–]crawfs42 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Well of course it's not the end of the world if myself or another casual reddit user doesn't go through the rules and know the ins and outs of the them people like yourself, Mali, Matt and Neil who effectively use reddit to advertise your work should seriosuly know the site rules about how often can I post my content before what is basically "free advertising" gets a bit ridiculous.

As for what you can post after paying for advertising, I suggest contacting admins, my guess is the 9:1 rule would still apply regardless of whether you paid for advertising.

[–]2p-scant 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Haha, sorry, I wasn't actually enquiring. I was responding to what I thought you were suggesting when you said

It's really less about the vote manipulation side and more the advertising and marketing side.

If it was just about advertising, there would be no reason for reddit to mind people self-promoting if they were also paying for advertising. That's why I asked you this particular question, because I'd expect a certain response given your initial claim.

As I said above, I am trying to stick to the 9:1 rule now. That said, it definitely feels contrived. And I definitely think the rule discourages original content on reddit. Relevant:

http://www.dailydot.com/business/reddit-spam-rules-original-content/

Edit: a side note with regard to contacting admins, that basically just doesn't work. When 2p got banned, several people had to try several times over the course of nearly a week before even getting a response. If you check the reddit FAQ it actually tells you that admins are likely to not reply to you and you might want to try repeatedly to get hold of them if you need a reply...

[–]29yearoldadviceguy 85 ポイント86 ポイント

is reddit trying to turn into a just self posts and images site? pretty fucking dumb rule. text self posts are not ideal for rich content

[–]Do not run, we are your friends!m4ster 26 ポイント27 ポイント

Remove all subreddits except /r/(not)funny, /r/atheism and /r/politics.

[–]sw1n3flu 31 ポイント32 ポイント

Don't forget /r/adviceanimals for maximum shittiness.

[–]remove magnus REMOVE MAGNUSMinimumtyp 2 ポイント3 ポイント

they are trying to make every subreddit a meme filled memeation of epic memes to determine who will be crowned the king of memes.

[–]Buff Morphling 2013Comeh 27 ポイント28 ポイント

Reddit rules don't 100% fit in certain subreddits like /r/dota2.

/r/dota2 encourages the creation of users and sub-communities around the idea of dota2 - people create a funny youtube video or whatever, and then start doing it regularly. Eventually this expands into a bigger channel / website, yet still primarily post these videos / pictures on reddit for our enjoyment.

I think it's kind of dumb these content creators are getting banned.

[–]DownAnotherDay 104 ポイント105 ポイント

Ya this is getting stupid. I understand the Reddit rules but the rules are doing more damage to our sub community then good.

[–]Jaliu 33 ポイント34 ポイント

Well, when you use the platform you gotta abide by the rules, granted I feel like subreddit mods should have a tad more power in the management of their subreddit and submissions, but I guess with that power comes the risk of corruption/shilling.

I reckon content generators should really just let people unaffiliated with their sites post the content, and people need to cut the crap with labelling people as Karma whores when they do.

I mean, for fuck's sake, Karma is just a means to give exposure to submissions, why the fuck are people so worked up over who gets the karma? I'd understand if users were rehosting content or some shit, but this Karma whore label needs to fucking die.

EDIT: I remember back in the earlier days of Dotacinema, people used to submit their videos for them, and they were promptly downvoted, called karma whores and had their submissions removed by mods. Guess that's coming back to bite this subreddit in the arse.

[–]From the Red Mist, Axe returns!Vidd 9 ポイント10 ポイント

Funny you should say that the day a number of Amazon-related subs were banned where moderators were using them to make money. Reddit's for users to post or discuss content that interests them.

It's not for people to post their sites to make money.

[–]Seoul_Sister 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Except if we're being honest, most things TL posts or Cyborgmatt posts are going to be posted here. Why does it benefit the community more to have some random poster link it, and not Cyborgmatt himself?

[–]From the Red Mist, Axe returns!Vidd 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Because it's in line with the site rules. They don't want someone using Reddit as a marketing tool.

[–]http://steamcommunity.com/id/PurokekPuroYO 20 ポイント21 ポイント

If a professional football player posts a picture on reddit of him/herself, even if it's not posted directly on a site but just the.. lets say imgur, that is marketing.

AMAs with famous people, for instance Dendi, marketing.

ANY links to twitch, marketing.

Just because it's not done in the same fashion as direct marketing like doing a tv-show guest appearance or something like an interview on whatever talk-show shit that's hot right now, indirect marketing is is still marketing, like for instance the AMA with Dendi, if it potentially sold them 10 extra T-shirts that day, holy shit, that's money, BAN NAVI!

PS: I just remembered, workshop posts on reddit is promotion, should we ban all workshop posts?

[–]WHYWOULDYOUEVENARGUE 2 ポイント3 ポイント

It's true that these people are big contributors and do more good than evil. The question is where we're supposed to draw the line. What kind of requirements need to be met and who decides when they've been met, before we decide it's shadowban-worthy spam?

[–]MrInfernow 21 ポイント22 ポイント

Let the subreddit moderators decide what's best for their subs, not reddit-wide admins.

[–]From the Red Mist, Axe returns!Vidd 5 ポイント6 ポイント

The admins own the site, though, and they don't want people using the site primarily to promote their business.

[–]Reead 14 ポイント15 ポイント

When those people "propping up their business" are the best part about a subreddit, they have a vested interest in letting it continue. But whatevs, /r/Dota2 doesn't need to be the center of the Dota community. If the admins want to kill it, we'll all go somewhere else.

[–]PMmeyourtittiesBB 2 ポイント3 ポイント

If the admins want to kill it, we'll all go somewhere else.

Any suggestions?

[–]TMG26 1 ポイント2 ポイント

You can promote yourself.

You can't only promote yourself.

The users banned, pretty much only posted content from their websites.

[–]Bearmodule 2 ポイント3 ポイント

They participated in the community as well as largely posting content from their websites, yes.

[–]Altuz 6 ポイント7 ポイント

For example: Cyborgmatt

He participates in the community too, heck the content he makes is what the community wants him to make.

[–]From the Red Mist, Axe returns!Vidd 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I understand the Reddit rules but the rules are doing more damage to our sub community then good.

How do you know good, lesser-known content creators aren't getting swallowed up by the same few users posting their own content?

This subreddit could perhaps do with a little less celebrity worship.

[–]balladofwindfishes 10 ポイント11 ポイント

This isn't going to stop Dota Cinema content from being posted at all. None of the shadow bans will, the content from the banned users was going to be posted whether Neil or Matt or anyone else who was banned posted it.

[–]DemonDotoBESTDotoEGDoto 8 ポイント9 ポイント

Well that can't be said for ongamers because site is banned also.

[–]From the Red Mist, Axe returns!Vidd 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I wouldn't expect it to stop being posted. It shouldn't be posted by the creators who have a financial interest in it.

It should be posted by individual users.

[–]balladofwindfishes 2 ポイント3 ポイント

What's the difference? The content gets posted either way, why does it matter who actually posts it?

[–]racast5 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Because reddit is not a personal advertising space. It's one of the largest drivers of traffic on the Internet and that's prone to manipulation from people who would use it for financial gain. It's looking out for the users. If the users want the material, they will post it. You shouldn't be spamming the site with links to your blog just so you can make money. People can follow you on twitter, YouTube or whatever other services and be updated whenever you put out new content if that's what you want. But that's not the purpose of reddit. It's not where you post to update people that you just put out new material

[–]Synchrotr0n 41 ポイント42 ポイント

Scumbag Reddit:

  • Bans users that post real content that is genuinely upvoted by other Redditors without any kind of manipulation.

  • Let advertisers use bots and buy upvotes to send their ads to the front page with 5k upvotes and 3 comments.

[–]Imbicilious 13 ポイント14 ポイント

Banning these guys will surely bring this subreddit to a new level of unoriginal content and reposts glory.

/s

[–]teerre 25 ポイント26 ポイント

Why?

I can't remember last time I saw a Neil post

Was it the XMG tournament? Maybe the fails of the week etc?

I don't know, why would they need to manipulate votes, I think pretty much everyone liked the tournament/their videos

[–]balladofwindfishes 18 ポイント19 ポイント

I have no idea either. The vast majority of dc content isn't posted by Dota cinema on reddit

[–]bobi897 2 ポイント3 ポイント

yea other than their workshop projects and the XMG tournie they don't self post much of their content.

[–]WHAT DOES THE PHOENIX SAY?Segolia 3 ポイント4 ポイント

He posts just about every video that DC uploads on youtube.

[–]createk 11 ポイント12 ポイント

SO basically someone should do site to combine all the dota2 news since reddit is shit now ?

[–]Wooshbar 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Where can I go for dota news from everywhere now reddit hates dota content creators?

[–]Reead 20 ポイント21 ポイント

It's insane how many people that have never participated in the /r/Dota2 community are in this thread (and all others related to the bans) telling us how these community members don't contribute and are simply marketing themselves.

We've decided these people do contribute to the community. That's why many of us are outraged. Cyborgmatt is the perfect example: yes, his links are all to his own content. But he's an extremely active commenter here and is a pillar of the community. Reddit, and these hordes of fanatics propping up this silly rule, has decided that submitted links are the only measure of community participation.

And quite frankly, that's utter bullshit.

[–]FLUFFNSTUFF FanboyRYCBAR 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Seriously! The past two days are the only time I've ever seen people raging against Cyborgmatt. (Other than the Diretide incident, of course) How can you hate Cyborgmatt? Guy does sooooo much fucking work for the community. The people who were banned contributed a shit ton to this community and then once they're out, all the haters mysteriously arrive on the scene. This community is so fucking stupid.

[–]aka Rocket HorseBluur 17 ポイント18 ポイント

Listen, Dota 2 is a single video game, with a list of sites that support the game. These sites have people openly linking their material and asking if you want to see it. We have up and down vote arrows, so why in the hell do we need a ban system in here?

This kind of thing makes sense for larger subreddits that address multiple topics, but the people they are banning are the cornerstones of the Dota community.

[–]Syly 8 ポイント9 ポイント

Because they feel that the uninformed masses can't think for themselves, and thus must be moderated to prevent them from hurting themselves....

[–]vwllss 7 ポイント8 ポイント

It's actually true though. Subreddits without good moderation end up being shitty.

[–]MinistryofPain 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Its more about creating a more leveling playing field. The first few minutes are the most import on reddit for an article to get to the all mighty front page. If a group of 20 people instantly upvoted an article the minute it was posted, it would artificially be scored high - resulting it on the front page - which nets it additional views.

Now think of someone who has a financial interest in having their stuff viewed a lot. Spells out trouble.

[–]zancrow 9 ポイント10 ポイント

What the hell is going on?? Can someone summarize the situation for me?

[–]Jaliu 18 ポイント19 ポイント

http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/search?q=author%3Adcneil&sort=new&restrict_sr=on

NOT OK: Submitting only links to your blog or personal website.

OK: Submitting links from a variety of sites and sources.

OK: Submitting links from your own site, talking with redditors in the comments, and also submitting cool stuff from other sites.

NOT OK: Posting the same comment repeatedly in multiple subreddits.

Basically Neil submitted a tad too many Dotacinema only links and was subsequently banned, reddit rules, as I pasted, states you need a balance that against comments + content submissions which aren't self promotion.

Same thing happened with Cyborgmatt/ongamers and 2p/godblessmali, their self promoting submissions far outweighed their comments/non-self-promoting content.

[–]forced 50%Triple6Mafia 6 ポイント7 ポイント

But they are contributing to the overall discussion of DotA. They create the subjects of conversation.

These rules seem like they were implemented to make sure that the posts stimulated conversation and were not spam. It's banning them on a technicality. It's contradictory to ban posters that submitted links that create discussion because they weren't literally discussions.

I go to r/dota2 for the latest news, update notes and content moreso than the idle discussion. (Pub rage threads, MMR questions, and so on make for dull content) http://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowBan/comments/22t3lu/am_i_shadowbanned/cgq9vb8

This post put it perfectly.

Although this content can be fun and cute, these subreddits have come to serve purposes other than just "cool stuff" that is related to DotA 2. It has become a hub for players to get the latest on DotA 2 (this includes articles, videos, patch notes and so on.)

You're banning content creators to enrich the content of the subreddit.

Think about that.

[–]IamAlso_u_grahvity 2 ポイント3 ポイント

/r/ShadowBan mod here. Check out: http://www.reddit.com/wiki/faq#wiki_what_constitutes_spam.3F

Inside that link you'll find:

http://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion

  • You should submit from a variety of sources (general rule of thumb is 10% or less of your links being your own site)

From what I've read so far, this may be the cause of the ban.

[–]Jaliu 1 ポイント2 ポイント

The comment you linked is stupid, no one is forbidding the submissions of those 'awesome' content, only that content creators themselves should not be allowed to constantly spam links to their own sites as per reddit's rules.

What these content creators are doing is basically promoting their sites (for free), thus generating ad revenue, which reddit expressly forbids. If they wanted to advertise their sites they need to go through proper channels and purchase an ad spot.

Otherwise they can let users discover their content and share it here.

[–]hellgoat 6 ポイント7 ポイント

Reddit has rules against people/organizations using Reddit as a free internet billboard instead of a community. So people who (almost) exclusively post links to their own websites/content to garner traffic are banned.

[–]AYBJunger 20 ポイント21 ポイント

This is stupid. Nobody cares that they were posting their own content - in fact it probably positively impacted our subreddit to have links to very well thought out articles and events.

Some Reddit admin is on a fucking power trip shadowbanning everyone they can for breaking rules.

[–]ace4life 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Can someone explain to me. Why these sites/people are getting shadow banned?

[–]CodeMyHeroin 9 ポイント10 ポイント

This is lame. :/

[–]eiliant 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Can we protest against this?

[–]ProjectileHerpes 6 ポイント7 ポイント

For me personally, this sucks.

I use reddit as a news aggregator.

But now all the content generators are getting kicked out...

[–]Wooshbar 10 ポイント11 ポイント

That has always been the only reason I go to r/dota2. Where I can find every news post that has to do with dota without going to more than one website.

[–]Streetfarm 11 ポイント12 ポイント

This is getting fucking stupid. Why are they banning the top content creators of the subreddit? Rules be damned, they are doing more damage than good right now.

[–]TheCatAndSgtBaker 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Hi-Rez can take over the smite subreddit as their official outlet but people can't post their content? The people who have been banned now are people who the majority of the community here liked, and their content. Except for Slasher, fuck him. This is pretty stupid.

[–]CultofNeurisis 2 ポイント3 ポイント

People seem to be more upset with the way Reddit works. Reddit isn't going to change its rules for us. If you want to have your list of news to check you could:

Subscribe the sites to an RSS Feed.

Bookmark the sites and check them every so often.

I'm sure there are other options, like someone creating a website just for this purpose, but we have to work with what we have, and not abuse the rules of Reddit just because a majority of the people in the subreddit deem it ok.

EDIT: Feedly.com is a site we could all use for the purpose of news apparently. That wasn't hard to find, now just have everyone use it. You still get all of your stuff in one place, this shouldn't be a problem.

[–]_YourMom 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Here's how to contact admins. I just sent a short message explaining that Neil and Matt are two of the most upstanding members of this community. Matt, especially, has been one of Reddit's best success stories. He started on this subreddit and continues to do great work for the community.

[–]mikrodizels 1 ポイント2 ポイント

What does shadowbanned mean

[–]It's DRUM of Endurance. Not DRUMS-Androgynous 5 ポイント6 ポイント

you can still post but other people won't see your posts, so you're unaware that you're banned. I think

[–]DownAnotherDay 3 ポイント4 ポイント

I think

You are correct.

[–]_YourMom 2 ポイント3 ポイント

How can we contact Reddit Admins to get this fixed?

[–]pie4all88 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I don't see how it's a problem to only post your own content, so long as there's no vote manipulation going on. I don't know if the admins are actually taking karma seriously or something, but it's not like /r/dota2/new/ is clogged with spam.

[–]Ah, Nyx, Nyx, Nyx, Nyx.Nyx_Assassin 2 ポイント3 ポイント

what the fuck is going on? why are some websites not allowed?

[–]Bubuocran88 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Didn't think reddit was becoming the new Third Reich!

[–]Phlash_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Can anyone explain to me why people are getting banned?

[–]http://steamcommunity.com/id/PurokekPuroYO 7 ポイント8 ポイント

This is damaging to the whole Dota2 community, fuck you reddit.

Reminds me of Pendragon, soon the front page will be filled with a picture saying FUCK DOTA PLAY LOL.

[–]Kowzz 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Reminds me of Pendragon

I don't buy any of this conspiracy crap, but holy hell this feels like when the old site went down, haha.

[–]crawfs42 1 ポイント2 ポイント

  1. You're being ridiculous about the LoL stuff

  2. These people are submitting commercial content that they make money off, it's free advertising, if they want to do that they should be paying for ad space.

[–]Blinkin Zeus Tier 1Iamreason 2 ポイント3 ポイント

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Give NEIL

[–]Best SF NAbadogski29 4 ポイント5 ポイント

Fuck you reddit!!

[–]omnifagspiritlink_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント

xai, techies, wyk, intolerable where do u guyz stand?

[–]http://steamcommunity.com/id/xb0y/xb0y 3 ポイント4 ポイント

This isn't good for this subreddit..

[–]fdoom 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Can someone tell me how banning sites and users that post good quality content benefits this subreddit (or for that matter, anyone at all)?

It seems like the letter of the rule is being enforced without regard to the spirit of the rule (preventing low quality blog spam).

[–]N9-GoDz 1 ポイント2 ポイント

[–]Archyes 3 ポイント4 ポイント

Hey Pendragon , i can smell your stink in here.

[–]germanic_doto 3 ポイント4 ポイント

fuck the reddit admins, they are complete idiots anyway

[–]refep 4 ポイント5 ポイント

First cyborg, now neil? Rito why you pay reddit ;_;.

[–]aay001 2 ポイント3 ポイント

fucking nazi mods

[–]enlightenedmind 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Is anyone else tempted to stop using reddit altogether after seeing this?

[–]nerifs 3 ポイント4 ポイント

This is pretty stupid, banning the content generators.

[–]V_Apollo 2 ポイント3 ポイント

I say we make our own social media site with cocaine and hookers.

[–]#roadtoTI4SolarClipz 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Reddit admins are for Riot. Fucking typical.

[–]BBmolla 1 ポイント2 ポイント

Can we get people to start posting text posts saying "Go to GonAmers, new article on X" and "Go to CotaDinema, new video on X"?

I don't think that breaks any rules.

This is really stupid, I go to reddit to get linked to these web sites instead of wasting my time bookmarking them all.

[–]testbug0 2 ポイント3 ポイント

This is really stupid, I go to reddit to get linked to these web sites instead of wasting my time bookmarking them all.

you still can. because there's always going to be people who read and link articles.

how do you think other subreddits get their articles?

[–]BBmolla 2 ポイント3 ポイント

Fair enough.

[–]Not feeling yourself?krohmium 1 ポイント2 ポイント

How stupid.

When the mods are the talk of the subreddit you know you're doing a shitty job.

[–]FPB94 3 ポイント4 ポイント

I don't know why Shadow Banning is a thing. If you're going to ban somebody at least be upfront about it.

Downright coward behavior.

[–]GingerPow 3 ポイント4 ポイント

It makes sense when considering it's original usage: to allow them to ban people who have spam bots, or are just devoting a large amount of time to spamming without alerting them to this, as they would then just switch to another account.