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[–]Bigcats2 315 ポイント316 ポイント 前

Lets not forget about Madeon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTx3G6h2xyA

[–]FalconHunter 169 ポイント170 ポイント 前

Madeon and similar artists leave me stunned when I see them do this.

  • Program the samples

  • Memorize WHERE each sample is

  • PLAY THE SEQUENCE THAT YOU CREATE LIVE (this video.)

While some are pissing on Madeon, there's several videos of him on YouTube doing a similar performance in a live setting. I'm sure it varies with the crowd, your energy level, their energy level, and the effort you're able to put forth.

That being said - doing what Madeon is doing in this video would be impossible for me if intoxicated.

EDIT: for those that haven't watched the entirety of the video and are suggesting that he's "just typing" and whatnot - please note the section at 2:30 where he uses the pad like a keyboard. This is the section that I found particularly interesting in combination with the sampling. Essentially, he's doing on-the-fly sequencing, which is an art form. He's not the first, he's not the last, and he's not the best. He's just an easy reference point for this kind of performance.

I'm not saying Madeon is some kind of exalted master, I'm simply suggesting that he's a high-profile artist that makes great use of this tool. His high-profile nature makes him easy to reference, much like Skrillex is high-profile enough to reference when talking about easily identifiable tracks of the dubstep genre.

[–]Orange_Astronaut 114 ポイント115 ポイント 前

That's basically the same premise of playing any other instrument. The instrument for someone like madeon just is electronic pads and the notes are the samples.

I had some friends who saw him perform and he was like 14? And had his parents there because he was underage for the club. Crazy talented from a young age!

[–]IrrelevantLeprechaun 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

I think it was 16 or 17, not 14.

[–]knewuser 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

I think that you are thinking very linearly about instruments. When you press a button to trigger a sample that is all you are doing. If you strike a note on a piano the attack, decay, sustain and release are almost never going to be the same twice. The force you strike a note with will never have the same amplitude across all of the overtones either. Beside that no two pianos are ever going to sound the same.

[–]televided 7 ポイント8 ポイント 前

Upvote for discussion - but I would challenge that you are guilty of the same thing and thinking very linearly about EDM midicontrollers. There are controllers that not only track attack, sustain and other neat things, but can do stuff pianos can't do like X Y coordinate sweeps and aftertouch. Midicontrollers are their own instrument and can't be compared to a pre-controller era instrument.

Here's a Nosaj Thing performance for funsies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31AFfyPXUKQ

EDM & "DJ's" can make their set as hard to perform as they want to. The guys with their hands in the air a lot aren't working that hard.

[–]Orange_Astronaut 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

Buttons have velocity sensing, different modulation and pitch control. There are way more options with digital instruments than with the traditional ones.

[–]The66Ripper 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

I mostly agree with that statement, but the difference between a normal instrument and a launchpad is that the sample setup on the launchpad changes every/every few shows. It would be like stringing your guitar a different way for each live performance solely for the purpose of keeping it fresh.

Either way, yeah, he'a super talented and he seems to have a clear vision of what he wants to do both musically and technology-wise with his live shows.

[–]gazpacho_ceviche 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Yeah, And so what? He plays that instrument very well.

I'm a bassist/guitarist/keyboard player/at home producer/engineer of 15 years and what he is doing in this video takes a great amount of skill like playing any other instrument well.

I'm impressed, I've heard Madeon before when my gf played him from Pandora. I liked his songs and thought he produced them well for being so young, but this really impresses me for what I've said before.

I'm not a usual fan of "live DJ's" but this helps put it in perspective for me. It's more like a "'performing producer," which I'm perfectly fine with.

[–]Orange_Astronaut 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

I think you may have meant to post this comment under another one, but I agree with everything you're saying!

[–]Spinster444 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

I saw him in vegas, IIRC he had to leave the club right after his performance.

[–]they_call_me_dewey 34 ポイント35 ポイント 前

But you have to understand that this is heavily rehearsed, quantized, only lasts 3 minutes, and cannot be modified on the fly. This is not the same thing as DJing at all.

[–]Meebsie 13 ポイント14 ポイント 前

So true. One of the biggest parts of this is the quantization. Each of the samples is meticulously timed and when he presses a button he is just queueing the sample. It will play at the start of the next beat, perfectly in sync. This means he probably spent hours upon hours outside of the performance getting everything ready, and then hours upon hours practicing the order in which to hit the buttons, but the physical aspect of playing something like this isn't that impressive. The pre-production that went into it is the impressive part. Its blurring the line between prerecorded music and live music. It is cool to watch, but in terms of the music that you hear, it might as well have just been a track played from beginning to end.

[–]FalconHunter 4 ポイント5 ポイント 前

eh - sorta but not really.

While the samples themselves are assigned to specific slots, they can be triggered whenever the artist chooses. While a performance like you see in the video above IS heavily rehearsed, etc, that doesn't mean that it can't be deviated from.

Much like with a live concert from a band, you can change up the performance as you desire. I will concede that the artist using this device is limited with regard to their flexibility, but if they're talented and they understand what they've composed and sequenced in the first place, the options are relatively broad.

As for your standard push-button copy-cat, not so much.

And no - it's not exactly DJ'ing. It's more along the lines of artists like Orbital and Daft Punk - they can mix/play the sequences on the fly. Check out some Orbital performances where you can see what they're doing on stage. It's impressive.

[–]maxd 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

I'm 99% sure that the Ableton devices, like the Launchpad Madeon is using, all show the samples in Ableton on a laptop while you are playing. You need that, the 4 arrow keys in the top corner scroll the selection window around.

I've been watching this set recently, which is DJ Falcon, Alan Braxe and Tensnake each doing a set and switching back and forth. It's cool to see them all use their own techniques (Braxe CDDJs, Tensnake and Falcon both use Ableton).

[–]Ian_Watkins 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

Won't it one day be possible to have a computer do this, and to gauge the reaction of the crowd and adjust which samples are used and when they are used?

[–]FalconHunter 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

Eh, maybe.

I mean, you can play a recording of a symphony but you still attend because of the performance and the live nature of the performance and event.

[–]Quatroking 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

I don't know. I mean, we got Vocaloid concerts after all. Sure the music is played live but everyone comes for the software-rendered voices.

[–]FalconHunter 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

"We" nothing. Japan has a cult following around the "thing." I dunno that the US or European market would care about something like that.

[–]Quatroking -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

Actually the vocaloid concerts have been held in Los Angeles, Russia, Singapore, San Francisco, New York, France and I'm pretty sure London had one too.

[–]FalconHunter 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

Call me when you list an average US city like Dallas, Atlanta, Nashville, Detroit, or Chicago.

LA, San Fran, and NYC aren't exactly what I would call a "typical" representation of your average US music listener.

[–]Ian_Watkins 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

I can't listen to club music at home, not at the same volume anyway. And being with all the other partiers adds to the experience, if I hosted that same kind of party at home then my house would probably be damaged pretty badly.

[–]nealio1000 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Watch any daedelus live set

[–]Fishies 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

If you saw daft punk perform at the grammys, it looked like they were doing the same but seemingly in the dark and with gloves on. Was it just a performance or were they actually doing all that stuff?

[–]ThatSawyer 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Check this out for a great example of a crowd and a DJ feeding off each other

[–]atarusama 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Araab Muzik show cases live. He might pick his samples before hand cause you have too..... but he produces his beats live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eglnhqUw_JU

[–]Essexal 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Skrillex = not Dubstep.

If Dubstep was a pedigree dog, Skrillex would be it's shit.

[–]PatronBernard 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Woah that's fucking sick, it's almost as if they're playing an instrument. Y'know, composing a song, remembering which note is which key and then later on PLAYING THOSE SAME NOTES THAT CORRESPOND TO THE COMPOSITION.

I'm not saying that what Madeon does isn't something impressive, it's just that buttloads of musicians do similar things.

[–]FalconHunter 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

I would completely agree - what Madeon and similar artists are doing with this device is analogous to playing a traditional instrument.

What sets him and similar artists apart is that this is a newer device and technique. There are "buttloads" of artists that use traditional instruments. They're just as talented with respect to the instrument they've chosen (well, perhaps case-by-case, but still.)

[–]stepup2stepout -2 ポイント-1 ポイント 前

ITT: Everyone's Madeon.

[–]Thats_Heinous -2 ポイント-1 ポイント 前

not hard.

ive recreated that set on a launchpad.

the impressive part is the idea. recreating and playing it back is pretty easy.

[–]meaniecrimepoet 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

Oh let me be clear it's hard. Sooooo hard. As a rock.

[–]urection -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

he's basically typing to a beat

it's not as hard as you think

edit: typing slowly to a beat

[–]shonglekwup -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

he's just pushing keys to a beat, it's not as hard as you think

[–]urection 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

akai guy is pushing maybe 1 button a second on average, occasionally 2 at once, no dynamics

piano guy's pushing 20x as many per second in some parts, regularly 8 at one time, with dynamics

no difference

[–]MosEisleyCantona82 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント 前

So essentially the same thing as every music video ever made.

[–]constructioncranes -5 ポイント-4 ポイント 前

Pianists have to remember 88 keys.

[–]-do_ob- 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Can't tell if you're trolling or not...

[–]superfudge73 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

Look at the karma, definitely trolling.

[–]GamerKingFaiz 30 ポイント31 ポイント 前

Reminds me of M4SONIC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vC5TsSyNjU

[–]cool_acid 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

This guy is great! D:

[–]hrabib 67 ポイント68 ポイント 前

AraabMuzik

[–]LonginiusSpear 9 ポイント10 ポイント 前

Hey Bishop, do the hand thing again!

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[–]kutkutkutkut 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

wow

[–]CaseyTheCreator 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

Dude is dope! Glad I got to see him live!

[–]muskiebad 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

god so fucking nuts

[–]Paulpoleon 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

As much as I hate to say it I think this video made me respect dubstep even if it's just a little bit

[–]ThnikkamanBubs 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

You don't have to. He's a hip hop producer. He just sampled dubstep for this performance. The drums in this video are entirely hip hop

[–]maz-o 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

I've worked MPC's both live and in production (although I admit it's almost 10 years ago), but I can't for the love of me figure out when he changes the sample bank to the other track that starts at about 2:40. He hits the same pads but completely different samples start playing.

[–]dhjin -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

araabMUZIK once fingered a woman in early 2009, she's still recovering.

[–]gmoney8869 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

So much APM. Even if he is just chopping a Skrillex track.

[–]mdmiles1 -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

I wish I could click that fast.

[–]FurFox -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

Seen him live in Quebec back in 2012. He was doing the first part of Skrillex.

[–]everyoneisadj -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

he's amazing, but not a DJ. That's a producer.

[–]alliha 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

What? As in he is a producer or that DJ = producer?

Both is wrong, I honestly don't understand what you mean.

[–]everyoneisadj -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

He is an amazing producer. This is not djing. It's producing.

[–]alliha 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Uhm, no. This is not producing at all.

Producing would mean that he actually made the sounds and beats himself, not just use stuff from Skrillex. This is played on an mpc (I don't know what they call the art themselves), and is closely related to turntablism, which is DJing at its very best.

[–]everyoneisadj 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

This is not related to turntablism in any way shape or form.

He has sampled the Skrillex track, and is playing them back in various ways. He is producing a new beat with the samples. This is producing. The core of hip hop is sampling other songs.

[–]SonOfUncleSam -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

I am not familiar with electronic music, but find it interesting. So tell me, is this a joke or impressive? It doesn't look real to me, but I might not understand the gear that he is using.

[–]deralte -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

Jeremy Ellis is a lot better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWUUcOQnoWY

[–]CapnNayBeard 10 ポイント11 ポイント 前

I saw him live and I didn't feel it had as much effort as this did.

[–]NegroSalad 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

Well he obviously wouldn't be able to do a performance like this for an hour straight. That would be way too many samples to memorize. I think he still does regular mixing for most of his set.

[–]egonny 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

Most of his live sets are pretty much planned beforehand, partly due to his setup, so I don't feel like he has to put in much effort.

If you've heard his Triple J mix you've pretty much heard the set he played the entire summer, barring two or three songs that differ.

[–]Cashback- 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

I saw him live and his set had 3 of the launchpads, and it was a pretty technical set, only pop culture and another song were as complex as the video on youtube though. Still, it was a great night and I reckon he beat Rusko, who was the headline.

[–]Badhesive 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

I saw him when he was 16 and I'd have to say he out on a better show than the majority of artists there, and it definitely didn't look like a premade.

[–]Rige 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Really? I saw him live as well and he did a performance of this song. For his other songs he was still doing live mixing even though maybe they weren't the same as pop culture.

[–]ELItheRussian -5 ポイント-4 ポイント 前

yeah he does not do this live. he does the same thing every other producer does. Jump and smile.

[–]Spinster444 7 ポイント8 ポイント 前

and yet, seeing him live is fun as fuck, so who cares?

[–]Nessus343 3 ポイント4 ポイント 前

Saw him at Global Gathering last year and he was the happiest motherfucker i've ever seen.

[–]cloudyskies41 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

He performed this song live at a New Years eve show down in San Diego a few years back. They put showed his hands working the launchpad on the jumbotron behind him. Pretty sweet.

[–]Rige 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Have you actually seen him perform live? He played pop culture at the concert I went to

[–]ELItheRussian -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

I saw him perform at OMFG!lA this year. He was all right. He was filling feed me who set the limit for what was awesome. It's impressive that he's 18 and doing what he does. But he's not any different than any other beatport top 40 producer.

[–]tmtrademark 3 ポイント4 ポイント 前

Daedalus is also amazing at this type of performance. Here's a live performance from KEXP

[–]antonbe 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Yeah, but he rarely does this. http://deadmau5.tumblr.com/post/25690507284/we-all-hit-play

[–]mrsquare 3 ポイント4 ポイント 前

He's also only 19. I really hope he does some amazing stuff as he gets older and doesn't fade out of Internet consciousness.

[–]SC2_Bench 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

Jel Anticon

[–]dmt7679 19 ポイント20 ポイント 前

If were gonna talk MPC we need to mention araabMUZIK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSVYHxAbr70&list=UU9X_erUjP-dL3Jqf7Fd-v3w

[–]revolved 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

YOU ARE NOW LISTENING TO ARAABMUZIK He needs to stop...presssing....that...button... on every track! Modern DJ clue.

[–]dmt7679 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

and the screams! How else would you know who you were listening to? lol

[–]BuddhasPalm 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

If we're talking araabMUZIK, then we need to mention Jeremy Ellis http://youtu.be/GXwVQADYcx8

[–]uaadda 9 ポイント10 ポイント 前

well.. Idk.. I find this a loooot more impressive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daVftrhHyTM

[–]vancityEntity 8 ポイント9 ポイント 前

I don't know why but I couldn't stop laughing.

[–]NWataya 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

Ahh yes, the old 'my moon rocket is better than your skateboard argument'.

[–]uaadda -2 ポイント-1 ポイント 前

well no, it's just.. I don't see why people can be all in awe of a guy who can push a button really quick. The rest is really sweet, the tracks sound nice - but.. the speed stuff? meh. It's more like comparing riding a scooter and doing a kickflip on a skateboard.

[–]NWataya 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

Yeah thats more of exhibition move, like to show off his skills to people who DO care about technical skill on the mpc. Its sort of a complex world, and its mostly for people who agree with the basic premise of the whole thing.

Edit: also, its kind of pretentious to dismiss something you don't enjoy as universally unenjoyable.

[–]uaadda 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

hey I don't dismiss it and I don't say it's universally unenjoyable. As I said, his tracks are sweet! Don't get me wrong on that. I just don't get the hype around how fast he is. He obviously is, but I personally don't think that's that impressive. That's all.

[–]NWataya 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Shit, there I go assuming you were an asshole. I'm always running around assuming everyone is an asshole then when I'm wrong I look like a defensive prick.

[–]uaadda 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

haha, no worries. happens all the time. It's true for 90% of the people you meet, so.. cheers!

[–]breakfastfoods 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

it's a promo video. i won't argue one is better than the other, but i will prove some counters.

how is the pianist any different? the video just shows she can press piano keys in a certain order really, really fast. she just does it in a setting and instrument that has already rooted itself as artistic. she's not even playing her own song, she is playing a version of a famous composition, but just very, very fast.

araab and his mpc shows are different than concert halls for pianists. you need to be able to carry the audience and need to have a talent for performance. he improvises and freestyles beats many times, as it's the nature of hip hop, the genre in which he is rooted in. pianists, on the other hand, pride themselves in accuracy of the source material. hip hop prides itself in how cleverly you can chop up and remix it.

he has so much activity on the mpc that he has the ability to perform full songs with kick drums, snares, hi hats, synths, samples, claps, vocals, all simultaneously.

[–]uaadda 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

I agree, that particular piano part is not really special. She hits the key really fast and not with a lot of emotions in it. But, and that's the hard part: there are not only 16 buttons.

I used to work in clubs and lived with a DnB DJ so I have an idea or two about how DJs (real ones) work and what their job is. All good. I don't want to say that this guy sucks. To me, it's just not as impressive as watching a pianist. That's all.

[–]breakfastfoods 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

yeah, i really don't care about whether people like it or not, i just want people to rationalize their reasoning and develop an opinion for themselves, because most of the time it's pretty ignorant. you just place importance on other things in music than i, that's ok.

[–]dmt7679 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

touche

[–]JonZ82 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Flight of the Bumble Bee.. anyone that can play it boggles my mind.

[–]Neltech 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOCbkapkDzA

[–]lovesickremix 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

why does it seem his fingers are moving faster than the framerate the video is shot in.

[–]Neltech 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

fastest in the world i guess.

[–]Neltech 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

what about this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOCbkapkDzA

[–]madeamashup -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

yeah.. MPCs are kind of cool, but it really seems as though standards for musicianship are falling

[–]breakfastfoods 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

i think other attributes are just taking more prominence. technology has leveled the playing field and opened up the entry gates for everyone musically, so i can see how you think that, but i just think the technical aspects of instrumentation like playing a guitar really well are just taking a backside to other, new aspects.

[–]scoops22 -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

I find this impressive too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iankyw47vqY

[–]Redtube_Guy 3 ポイント4 ポイント 前

Dude that guy fucking sucks . He steal songs and doesn't give credit to the original artist.

[–]dmt7679 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

such as? honestly I want to know.

[–]pen0rz 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

Kaskade's 4am adam k & soha remix.

[–]Redtube_Guy 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

What pen0rz said. Basically takes a song, changes the title, and adds drums and snares and people think he is a genius and people tihnk that he made that song himself, giving no credit to the original artist.

[–]theghostofsnazz -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

Do you mean he samples or actually steals other peoples beats?

[–]TheStreisandEffect 5 ポイント6 ポイント 前

No he straight up stole an entire song, put a new beat under it, changed the title, and re-released it. That's hardly sampling.

http://www.factmag.com/2012/11/27/trance-producer-adam-k-calls-out-fraud-araabmuzik-for-plagiarism/

Flosstradamus have been caught pulling the exact same shit; making an edit of a song then renaming the song, their "plurnt" fans none-the-wiser. The new rule seems to be, do whatever it takes to get big, even if it's not legit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwdO1oTpMKQ

[–]temple44 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Saw him at bonnaroo. Amazing set.

[–]Numbajuan 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

araabMUZIK is absolutely sick to see perform live. During his performances, he has a camera on his hands and MPC that projects on the screen behind him. Absolutely ridiculous!

[–]monomin 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

If you like what araabMUZIK does with the MPC then you probably need to check out what edison is doing with the monome! http://vimeo.com/38138990

[–]Maliiwan 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

M4SONIC - Weapon is one of my favorites.

[–]everyoneisadj 1 ポイント2 ポイント 前

He's awesome, but not a DJ. That's doing live production.

[–]its_Basi 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

I want to downvote you, but people need to understand the work he puts into set. Much like a producer (live pretty much mostly considered DJ [wish it wasnt]).

[–]everyoneisadj 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

I love Him, but he's not djing in this set. That is not djing. I don't care how you vote my comment, you're out and out wrong. Lol

[–]riptide747 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

or M4SONIC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vC5TsSyNjU

[–]albatr0xx 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Anybody know what controller this is?

[–]seitgeist 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Also, he was like 17 when he made that video.

[–]equinox92 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Have seen him do this live. SO amazing. Never seen a closure like he could do either. I'd love to see him again.

[–]prrifth 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

Daedelus with a similar board

[–]atarusama 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

lol.... you guys think Madeon is good? Try Araab Muzik. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eglnhqUw_JU

He literally shits on madeon.

[–]Rekiz_ -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

Going to have to mention Nev Plays.