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[–]usmcplz 195 ポイント196 ポイント

I read the comments before I read the entire article and was about to go apeshit on all the racism. Then I read the rest of the article... No white kid would ever get into any one of those schools being in just the top 2% of his class with a 2250. That's some bullshit.

[–]reebee7 23 ポイント24 ポイント

2250 is well within Harvard's middle 50%.

[–]forensic_anus 12 ポイント13 ポイント

So he did better than half the people in Harvard. It sounds like its reasonable for him to be there then.

[–]Diels_Alder 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Except Harvard could fill 10 classes with the number of qualified applicants. They want a balanced class too.

[–]bobartig 66 ポイント67 ポイント

I was pretty surprised by his credentials as well. Numerically, I wasn't impressed at all. I went to a very competitive prep school and knew lots of kids with stats like that who did not get into their first choice Ivy league school. But college admissions are more voodoo than science, and they probably saw a superior package with a rare background and went with it.

[–]debtee 39 ポイント40 ポイント

The weird thing is that they only highlighted his grades and standardized test scores, and nothing more. They didn't talk about activities he has participated in, nothing more than he plays violin and is interested in music and medicine. I'm at a state University and I regularly meet people who have far better credentials in Engineering. We are talking about arriving to unviersity with 70-80 credits from AP and CC courses, perfect standardized test scores, internships at big software companies (while they were in hs), and accolades like being state champion for math contests. Its kind of absurd anybody is even talking about him...

I can see him getting into maybe 1 Ivy, but unless he has had a truly unique life story of some incredible achievements there really isn't anything else to write it up to.

[–]gaydolftitler 22 ポイント23 ポイント

"He will also have taken 11 Advanced Placement courses by the time he graduates this spring. He's a musician who sings in the school's a capella group and volunteers at Stony Brook University Hospital's radiology department. Enin plans to study medicine, as did both of his parents. They emigrated to New York from Ghana in the 1980s and studied at public colleges nearby. Both are nurses." Color me impressed.

[–]b_whoa 7 ポイント8 ポイント

Whoa! Let's cool it with the "C" word there buddy. The article clearly stated he's African-american.

[–]genuinewood 6 ポイント7 ポイント

A violist is a person who plays the viola. A violinist is a person who plays the violin.

[–]misogichan 1 ポイント2 ポイント

I've met a fair number of violinists who switch over to playing the viola because the competition is far less intense among violas (we only get boring, less technically sophisticated harmony). Nevertheless, I think it's fair to still call yourself a violinist if that's your primary instrument and the viola is a secondary one.

[–]genuinewood [score hidden]

The article said "violist", so that's why I corrected them. The similarities between the instruments certainly would allow a lot of crossover, wouldn't they?

[–]EdSmith1384 3 ポイント4 ポイント

I can see him getting into maybe 1 Ivy, but unless he has had a truly unique life story of some incredible achievements there really isn't anything else to write it up to.

I can definitely see where you're coming from. In my graduating class, I think about 3 or 4 kids got admission to the Ivy League. All of them were black and mediocre students at best.

I went to a public high school in a small suburban town. My parents really couldn't afford much else, and nobody in the school was really that well off. Perhaps some people could be considered upper-middle class, but by and large most of the kids at our school came from families with blue collar or "regular" office jobs. The top two students in our class of 700 were a Chinese guy and a Polish girl, both of whom were first-generation immigrants who came to the states in their early teens and had to learn the language they went along. As far as I can recall, they were both pretty decent musicians and got full score on the SAT's (1600/1600), and had taken several AP's. Both of them had also placed at the state level in national math and science competitions, and spoke several languages by the time they graduated. Heck, the Chinese kid even managed to get a 5 on the AP Latin exam, despite the fact that our school didn't even have an AP Latin course - he bought Latin textbooks on the internet and taught himself - while simultaneously working at his parents' restaurant.

Come senior year both of them applied to the top schools and would have well deserved to get in by any standard. I seem to recall that the Polish girl managed to get into some pretty decent places, but got rejected from all but one of the Ivies she applied to. The Chinese guy fared even worse and ended up having to go to a state school.

[–]Wutheringpines 3 ポイント4 ポイント

He would probably be competing againt other Chinese and Asian students and perhaps they were better than your town Chinese.

[–]EdSmith1384 -1 ポイント0 ポイント

I never understand why they did this. Clearly, wealthy people of any race are going to have it easier than middle-class or poor people of the same race. It's really not fair to compare say, someone whose parents are a doctors and lawyers to someone whose parents aren't as well off. Or in the case of this guy, someone who immigrated when he was 13 to someone who was born in the country. Obviously, the person who was born in the States is going to be much better connected than someone whose been here a short time.

Ideally people would be treated as an individual, or if anything, compared to people from the same school or socioeconomic background.

[–]Lowbacca1977 7 ポイント8 ポイント

I am baffled by the concept of "first choice Ivy League school". The sheer money involved just stuns me.

Ened up at an in-state college where I could commute to school so that I only had to pay for tuition/transportation, but not rent.

[–]jonesrr 5 ポイント6 ポイント

Top schools like this are almost always entirely free to the students. My undergrad, as long as your parents made less than $150k/yr, you qualified for full need based aid for tuition and living expenses on campus.

The reason this guy has to "negotiate" is because both of his parents are physicians and likely make half a million or more a year together.

[–]Lowbacca1977 8 ポイント9 ポイント

His parents are nurses, not physicians. Average income there is something like $65,000 per year. So very likely not over half a million, although not a bad amount.

Harvard yearly tuition averages around 15k, so I don't see that level reaching the realm of no debt

[–]jonesrr 3 ポイント4 ポイント

You do realize that the a lot of students at these schools are wealthy and ergo pay the full $40k/y?

[–]Lowbacca1977 0 ポイント1 ポイント

Are you including the cost of room and board to be living in a fairly pricey area, since that's still an expense?

This looks at the breakdown economically, and seems to make sound assumptions to carry out the calculations

[–]hobbular 1 ポイント2 ポイント

The sheer money involved in applying to all 8 Ivy League schools stuns me. I was courted pretty heavily by Yale as a high school student (NMS, valedictorian overachiever, etc) but couldn't justify spending the $90 I'd saved up for application fees to submit an application when I could use that same money to apply to three state schools I would actually be able to visit and, in the long term, afford to attend.

[–]soyeahiknow 1 ポイント2 ポイント

He may have gotten application vouchers.

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    [–]ayuan227 3 ポイント4 ポイント

    Yeah, numerically from the few stats I saw I would have "beat" this kid, but I'm Asian so I didn't expect to get in anyway. This kind of thing really does show how subjective college admissions can be. Though to be fair, I'm sure schools would be horrible if they went purely based on numbers.

    [–]cos7 1 ポイント2 ポイント

    Not sure what it is like there, but UC Berkeley (and perhaps all the UC's) accept largely on numbers -- SAT, GPA, course-load. Problem is that they give almost no financial aid, so unless you live in-state, it is probably not worth it.

    The student body is 39% Asian, 29% white, 13% Hispanic, and 3% black.

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley

    [–]illy-chan [score hidden]

    In all fairness, the Ivy Leagues can't just go on numbers if, for no other reason, than the sheer number of students with excellent rank/GPA who apply. Besides a 4.0 at one school isn't worth the same as a 4.0 at a better school.

    [–]jonesrr 56 ポイント57 ポイント

    No white or asian kid (or South American either) would get in as valedictorian with a perfect SAT and ACT score. He'd have to do something else, like play as first chair violinist for the Boston Philharmonic or something.

    [–]obamaanyways 36 ポイント37 ポイント

    I'm Asian and got in every school I applied to, including 6 ivy leagues. Wasn't valedictorian and had ok SATs but I had an interesting story.

    [–]jonesrr 26 ポイント27 ポイント

    The SAT and being valedictorian is not really what's important to get into top 5 schools... that's the entire point I was making. Decision threads at major forums clearly show this fact, as many people with near perfect scores across the board are denied to Harvard Yale or Princeton because they didn't have "what they were looking for".

    This would never happen for a black person with those scores (or even way lower scores).

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      [–]BlueCalx1 [score hidden]

      I dunno, I know a white kid who was valedictorian, had nearly a perfect score on the SATs, and he got into like 4 Ivies.

      [–]soyeahiknow 2 ポイント3 ポイント

      Not only that, just think of how many 1st gen Asians who have 2400 on the SAT, and 4.0 gpa AND have parents who barely graduated high school in their home country.

      Not to knock this kid or anything, but he is NOT a 1st generation college student since both of his parents graduated college in the US and are nurses. And I doubt with two nurses, he is under the poverty level either.

      [–]_420yoloswag 33 ポイント34 ポイント

      Yep. I'm in college now and I had much better stats than he back when I applied. But I'm white, so 0/2 (waitlisted) for the Ivy's I applied to.

      It's a joke. This isn't undergraduate, but for medical school:

      White MCAT scores vs. acceptance

      Black MCAT scores vs. acceptance

      For the lazy, one example: taking 27-29 MCAT score + 3.00-3.19 GPA,

      White acceptance: 19.9%. Black? 70.1%. In perspective, to break 70%, a white applicant needs above a 3.6 and a 30+ on the MCAT. The difference in difficulty between maintaining a 3.6 and 3.0 is night and day. Bs are fairly manageable, but damn are professors reluctant to give anything above a B+ (and may luck be with you if you go to a grade deflating institution--As are like unicorns.).

      It's even more drastic if you look at Asians.

      But it's okay, their underrepresented. No one will mind a less qualified applicant getting in over another to learn to fucking operate on human beings. /s

      [–]jonesrr 10 ポイント11 ポイント

      You should see the LSAT.

      [–]Rodoshi 7 ポイント8 ポイント

      That is utter bullshit. How the hell can they even justify that?

      [–]soyeahiknow 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      Yeah, I looked into that too. This really is a bad thing overall because it's made me biased when I am looking for doctors for my parents or myself.

      I know there are many great doctors that are minorities and that came from historic black medical schools and the Carribean but I can't help wondering if they are good doctors or not. I don't want to take a chance with my family or my own health.

      [–]ghotier 4 ポイント5 ポイント

      I think you're overstating. Kids with those credentials get into Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, and Penn all the time.

      [–]singularityJoe [score hidden]

      I had a 2300 and got waitlisted by harvard, accepted to brown. I'm white.

      [–]Megneous [score hidden]

      I was 6th in my high school class, went to uni early through a dual enrollment program and had more than 60 credit hours of university classes when I applied to a new uni after graduating high school via university courses.

      Imagine my surprise upon reading he got into 8 ivy league schools with only 11 AP courses.

      [–]L0ptr [score hidden]

      I came here to say this. They need to abolish giving minorities preferential treatment when applying to college. All this does is force talented members of the majority(who most likely would have been the better choice for the college in the first place) to receive sub-par education while making the minorities in these very competitive schools feel overwhelmed.

      [–]noxobscurus 7 ポイント8 ポイント

      I can never grasp how the SATs and getting into your preferred university works. It's so complex. Can someone ELI5?

      [–]cdstephens 4 ポイント5 ポイント

      It's all subjective, there's no hard line rule. You just try your best and hope the admissions people look at your app while they're in a good mood, hopefully impressing them.

      [–]krevatski 2 ポイント3 ポイント

      Basically, when you're in high school, you take an aptitude test called the SAT that basically every high school junior or senior takes. You can see some sample questions online, but they test math, reading, and writing skills in a way that highlights critical thinking. You get a score, the highest of which is a 2400. 2400s are few and far between, very rare, and even that isn't enough to get you into an ivy league school.

      I toured Stanford once. They were telling us why we shouldn't be too stressed out about our SAT scores and our guide said, "We could fill up an entire class with 2400s. But we don't."

      Other things that factor into whether or not you get accepted: GPA (4.0 isn't high enough to get into an ivy. You have to take AP classes, classes that are more challenging, cover more material, and count as a 5 on your transcript), ACT (an equivalent to the SAT. The questions are a little different, and the score is out of 36. This can be taken in addition to or instead of the SAT), and, most importantly,* extracurricular activities.*

      If you're an ambitious American student, you better start crafting your story when you're twelve. As soon as we hit middle school, if our parents are aware of how competitive the college system is, they make sure you're involved in community service, or some sort of performing arts (or both. Mostly both). You should play a sport - something rare, like rowing or fencing. If you play an instrument, be a genius at a common one (piano, violin) or amazing at an uncommon one (French horn, bassoon). You absolutely must win contests. Also, start clubs at your school. More than one if possible. Show yourself to be a leader - there are scholarships for that. If you want to do anything in the sciences you should be on your second internship by the time you're starting senior year.

      Then in senior year, you start applying. On the common app, you list out every class you took and your grade in that class, your scores on AP tests, on SAT subject tests (different than the regular SAT).

      You write your Common App essay. Most colleges accept the Common App as their applicaiton, with additional writing supplements.

      If you see someone complaining about the college application process, they're complaining about the writing supplements. In addition to the Common App essay, each college usually requires school-specific essays - anyway from 150 words to 1000 words (and some 1 words...I'm looking at you, Princeton.) These essays ask about your activities, why you want to go to said school, things like that.

      You send out all the applications, virtually all colleges ask you send by the internet.

      Then you wait. In this time, colleges perform an ancient warlike ritual in which they choose applications seemingly at random and ruin/make lives just willy nilly. I'm not saying this because I'm bitter, I'm saying this because I have seen the most incredible students and wonderful people with GPAs of 4.8 and community service and internships shut out of the ivy league schools.

      *TL; DR: * Colleges look at your SAT score to get a sense of how smart you are/how much money your parents had to put you in prep classes.

      [–]WinterMay [score hidden]

      Damn, so much planning you have to do as an american student, I can't imagine how stressful it can be :/ I went into the best law university in France (albeit nothing as prestigious as the US, or even the UK ones, but we don't even have the same law system anyways), and I didn't actually decide upon it before the end of my last year of high school (grades were good but not nothing out of the ordinary). Graduated from it with good enough grades for Cambridge or Oxford, but sadly this kind of education is out of my reach financially. I guess it is an issue with the american system as well :/

      Thanks for writing out those infos anyways, I've always wondered about all those GPA/SAT things i saw in movies/tv shows, now I know a bit more :)

      [–]sihtydaernacuoytihsy [score hidden]

      Percentiles are halfway down the page. Each section of hte SAT's graded out of 800 points. This kid averaged 750 per section, putting him in the bottom half of the top 1% on all three sections.

      I did about the same, many years ago, but had way worse grades. Almost everyone at my public school with this kid's resume (first generation, musician, near-perfect numbers, as many advanced placement courses as allowed) went Ivy or equivalent.

      [–]jonathan88876 [score hidden]

      This is offset by the fact that American school is significantly easier than European school on average. I'm in the IB program which is very advanced for an American school (probably harder than what at least 85% of American kids do) but what I do would be considered average for a European student.

      [–]Langdon_Man [score hidden]

      The higher the score, the better.

      Though I remember reading a study a long time ago that said SAT score is not a good indicator of performance at university level beyond the freshman year...

      [–]Pen15Pump 47 ポイント48 ポイント

      "He's not a typical African-American kid."

      [–]cysta 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      -college admissions expert Katherine Cohen

      [–]WhoDoneItNow 4 ポイント5 ポイント

      This. As someone who attended a "top" 3 school I think its all bullshit, hype, and hysterical inflation. If anything I hope this kid doesn't categorize himself the way he has been.

      If he wants to get anything out of this, he needs to now compare himself to all people, the best of the best, and realize that he's accomplished nothing. Being content is dangerous, but being content with society's bullshit is something else completely.

      [–]C0mmun1ty [score hidden]

      He's a class act.

      [–]Hairlesswalkingchimp 257 ポイント258 ポイント

      I'm gonna get real with you reddit, no matter how pissed this makes you it doesn't change the fact that he would not have had this absurd success if he was a white kid.

      [–]sars911 6 ポイント7 ポイント

      Or Asian

      [–]DonTago 96 ポイント97 ポイント

      Don't you realize that white children of this boy's generation have to atone for the sins of their ancestors by giving him greater access to opportunities and education for the display of equal merit? /s

      [–]DolphinLundgren 53 ポイント54 ポイント

      Yes, the descendants of white sharecroppers, Irish and Italian immigrants, and German serfs have to atone for the evils perpetuated by the Portuguese and British in Ghana by giving up their positions in elite schools in the United States.

      [–]pfitz6 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      Very well put.

      [–]Hairlesswalkingchimp 17 ポイント18 ポイント

      Since this is reddit I literally can't tell if your serious or not.

      [–]DonTago 19 ポイント20 ポイント

      That is the funny part, that some SJW might actually argue that point in complete and utter earnestness. I just shake my head.

      [–]oldtimepewpew 6 ポイント7 ポイント

      I'm white and my ancestors were more likely to be living and working in shit rather than dishing it out it out. They weren't doing it in America either.

      [–]OnefortheMonkey [score hidden]

      You do understand its not done as an apology, right? I'm not saying you have to agree with the process, I don't know if I do. But I just want to make sure you realize that it had nothing to do with white guilt

      [–]foxh8er 28 ポイント29 ポイント

      You can't say that for certain without seeing all of his academic credentials.

      [–]jonesrr 26 ポイント27 ポイント

      If he had anything worth HYPS admission it'd be mentioned in the article. I remember at commencement at MIT (this was 10 years ago) when I was there, they mentioned a plethora of students and their accomplishments for the incoming class. These included things like, founding huge charitable organizations, being a violinist for the Vienna symphony orchestra, working on research into nanorod delivery of medicine, bioimplantation research, etc.

      I don't remember them all, but yeah, those would be mentioned in the article, and that's what it took then to get into MIT.

      [–]foxh8er 9 ポイント10 ポイント

      Well, what did you do to get into MIT? Or were you mentioned in the commencement speech? I'm just curious here.

      I'm not going to say that his background didn't play a part at all, but lets be honest here - it wasn't everything.

      [–]jonesrr 36 ポイント37 ポイント

      I did something pretty incredible at 17, was all over the national and local news for the charity I founded, and had a 1570 SAT and 35 ACT. Again this was 10 years ago. I won't mention the specific thing I did, but we raised almost $2 million and wound up meeting with state officials and got new legislation passed for environmental protection.

      The Governor came to our work site twice for photo ops.

      [–]foxh8er 19 ポイント20 ポイント

      Well that's...impressive.

      Makes me want to shoot myself, but okay.

      [–]jonesrr 14 ポイント15 ポイント

      I didn't get into Harvard, just so you know (I'm white). It worked out for the best though, since I wound up in engineering.

      [–]soyeahiknow 2 ポイント3 ポイント

      In my option, MIT is way better than HYPS. 15-30% of the incoming class spots are reserved for legacies. MIT is all merit.

      [–]foxh8er 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      My intention for the longest time was MIT.

      Oh well, maybe grad school.

      [–]jonesrr 4 ポイント5 ポイント

      MIT is absolutely fantastic, if you get the opportunity I'd do it. I went there for grad school as well on a research assistantship.

      The social scene isn't the best, but the access you have is outstanding. I had the easiest time in the world getting a job with my background in undergrad and the career fairs on campus. I had something like 25 job offers when I was done with my masters (and a lot of internships and co-ops of course). This was in the height of the crisis as well.

      [–]notreddingit 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      How important is your high school grade average in all of this? Is there a big difference between say a 93 average vs a 98? Or does it not matter as much since high school grading is so subjective?

      [–]Hairlesswalkingchimp 15 ポイント16 ポイント

      You're missing the point. He would not have gotten in if he was white with the credentials he had. Stop being so goddamn delusional of reality.

      [–]foxh8er 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      I dunno..I've known white people that have gotten into multiple Ivies with those scores. They just didn't apply to all of them.

      You can't know for certain without 1) seeing all of his academic credentials 2) knowing what each admissions officer was looking for.

      Stop being so goddamn delusional of reality.

      The admissions process is a black box. If you claim to know how much of a pass being black gives you, please enlighten me.

      [–]jonesrr 10 ポイント11 ポイント

      Getting into Cornell or Brown with those scores is normal, getting into HYP is not. In fact, I doubt a single white person whose dad isn't the CEO of Exxon could do so.

      [–]foxh8er 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      Found two with sub-35 scores (one 33, one 34) on the first page of the College Confidential Thread.

      http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/harvard-university/1586643-official-harvard-university-2018-scea-decisions-only.html

      One's Asian, the other's white. Its not hard evidence I'm sure (because the ACT != SAT), but that's just one minute of looking.

      [–]bl1ndvision [score hidden]

      I worked in higher-education Admissions for more than 7 years in multiple systems. I can tell you this much..race is a HUGE factor in getting admitted.

      [–]jolienieweenie[🍰] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント

      People do not have to do incredible things to get into these top tier schools. They get in because they have incredible potential to accomplish incredible things, and if they already have, it is a bonus. Kwasi is brilliant, and clearly that showed through in his applications.

      [–]Hairlesswalkingchimp 10 ポイント11 ポイント

      If I had the exact same credentials as this kid at 17 and applied to every Ivy League school, there is no chance in hell that I would ever get accepted to all of them, that's fucking absurd.

      [–]jonesrr 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      Yeah you don't know what you're talking about ... this is a myth that can only be dispelled when your kid applies to these places himself and you see what happens.

      [–]lookxdontxtouch 13 ポイント14 ポイント

      He wasn't even in the top 10 students at his own high school. I personally think that speaks volumes.

      [–]Lowbacca1977 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      It is worth noting that the article felt it need to mention how his SAT scores were within one racial group, not overall.

      Conversely, they do point out that being male benefited him here as well, because males are underrepresented and so there's a corrective force to try to give males a step up.

      [–]foxh8er 13 ポイント14 ポイント

      2250 is actually 99th percentile for all SAT takers, not just African Americans.

      Source

      [–]Hereibe [score hidden]

      They really should have added that in the article, what poor writing.

      [–]foxh8er [score hidden]

      Yeah, I agree. His accomplishment is not because of his race - got in to an Ivy because he's qualified and intelligent. He got into all Ivies because he's lucky.

      [–]CRISPR 6 ポイント7 ポイント

      A first-generation American

      Means, he is not, I repeat, not your "African-American" type.

      Africans and African Americans are very different.

      [–]nealius 11 ポイント12 ポイント

      At least he is being accepted for his mental aptitude, and not something ridiculous like gold pockets or sports activities.

      [–]The_Dee 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      At least he is being accepted for his mental aptitude.

      Lol...no. Mental aptitude had little to do with it. A 2250 on SAT is great, not perfect, there people that have scored higher. He's there to add diversity to the campus. He got in because of good old fashion AA.

      [–]nealius 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      Does anyone even require a perfect SAT score for entrance?

      [–]The_Dee 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      Not necessarily. But to say mental aptitude got him in is asinine. If you read the article, he's got nothing particularly spectacular in his application, so he didn't get in because he's got a unique backstory. His parents are DOCTORS so he didn't get in because he's disadvantaged. His scores are good, but don't warrant getting accepted into that many schools.

      So the only thing to consider is AA got him in.

      [–]1337_Mrs_Roberts 6 ポイント7 ポイント

      His parents were nurses, not doctors.

      [–]oz6364 [score hidden]

      2250 is pretty avg for harvard. how did all the white kids who scored worse than him get into school? i guess they don't deserve to be there either right?

      [–]anewdm [score hidden]

      Wow what a brave thing to say. Really going against the grain of reddits typical attitude there.

      [–]jolienieweenie[🍰] 79 ポイント80 ポイント

      Kwasi is a good friend of mine. Although race does play a role in college admissions, he is truly brilliant and deserves his success. He got in because everything he does, he does extremely well. He is hardworking, smart, talented, and hilarious. I'll never forget the day it happened...I texted him and asked how Ivy day went, and he said "All 8 to my name." He's a boss.

      [–]Asymian 17 ポイント18 ポイント

      Can you elaborate on his achievements? There are a lot of doubters on this thread and I would have to agree that he wouldn't even be considered on his class rank and sat alone. Did he do significant charity work or win a major science fair?

      [–]jolienieweenie[🍰] 40 ポイント41 ポイント

      No, he did not. I think the reason he did so well is because he's exactly what colleges are looking for - he's that perfect "well rounded" specimen that colleges are always talking about. He excels not only academically but musically and in sports. He participates in a wide range of clubs and We live in a low income community, our high school is not fantastic (although there are many opportunities if only you take advantage of them), he comes from a racially diverse background and despite all of this has done extraordinarily well. Yes, people will always pull the race card, and I agree that had he not been black he would probably not have gotten into all 8 Ivies. But he would certainly have gotten into a few. Kwasi is one of the most intelligent people I have ever met, and he has a lot of potential, and clearly the Ivies saw this.

      [–]Asymian 8 ポイント9 ポイント

      Thanks for the reply. All the people I know who got into HYP were not only good at academics and extracurricular leadership etc, but also stood out at a few things. State Level or national level honors at science, math competitions, regional youth symphony and music competition awards, district or state level track/tennis etc. I'm sure he has at least a few of these too. Maybe he is just not the type of person that shows off and tells everyone

      [–]jolienieweenie[🍰] 6 ポイント7 ポイント

      He definitely does have a few, he's been recognized primarily for music and also for track. But he hasn't discovered a new amino acid or created an organization or something of the like. He's just a guy with brains and a lot of potential.

      [–]anan139 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      You're naive if you believe that there is a deficiency of students who excel academically, musically and athletically with extra curricular activities.

      Particularly when their academia is only compared to an under performing group.

      [–]AwesomeBathtub [score hidden]

      You're naive if you believe that there is a deficiency of students who excel academically, musically and athletically with extra curricular activities.

      There's not a deficiency, but they need to pick someone. Race no doubt plays a role, but I don't think that saying someone else necessarily deserves this kid's spot is fair. He sounds like a talented and very intelligent person who would do pretty well at an Ivy.

      [–]kozlkmark [score hidden]

      This is the FIRST post in OP's account. Do you seriously believe this shit? Oh my god I'm out of here.

      [–]Megneous [score hidden]

      If he does so well, why didn't he go to university early through an early entrance to college program? He could have finished two years of uni by the time he reached high school graduation age.

      [–]jonesrr 49 ポイント50 ポイント

      sighs I was hoping he wasn't going to be black.

      [–]DonTago 38 ポイント39 ポイント

      You knew he would be. Ivy league universities (and major employers) are bending over backwards and going out of their way to attract and enroll educated children of diverse backgrounds, especially POC. These univiersities have 'racial quotas' they are pressured to meet, so no surprise this kid was accepted to every single ivy-league school in the country; he is a hot commodity. Not to say he isn't a smart or driven young kid, but that is a bit much.

      Edit: clarity

      [–]jonesrr 20 ポイント21 ポイント

      2250/2450 on the SAT def isn't impressive to the point he'd get into HYPS without being black or Native American that's for sure. I knew a guy with perfect SAT/ACT and two SAT IIs back in HS that didn't get into any of them (they called him the triple crown), and that was around a decade ago now.

      I was hopeful prior to reading the article that he had just done something so incredible already that he deserved it (found a gene sequence that led to a therapeutic cure for a type of cancer, or built a Q positive fusion reactor in his garage).

      [–]InternetFree 27 ポイント28 ポイント

      He ranks No. 11 in a class of 647 at William Floyd, a large public school on Long Island's south shore. That puts him in the top 2% of his class. His SAT score, at 2,250 out of 2,400 points

      Pretty sure all non-black people who ranked higher than him and had just as many points weren't accepted at all those 8 universities.

      [–]jonesrr 19 ポイント20 ポイント

      Statistically, not even a single one of them should have gotten into HYP. There's not enough room at HYP to accept every valedictorian in the USA, which is obviously something they don't want to do anyway.

      This asian kid who plays Beethoven Concerto No. 4 entirely from memory for the Boston Philharmonic may have a shot, if he got at least in the 98th percentile on the ACT and SAT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItuH5oc48l8

      [–]InternetFree 18 ポイント19 ポイント

      Asians have an even harder time than white people to get into top schools.

      American educational systems are perverted and really not in a good way. Especially as the educational standards of top universities are pretty low compared to those of other countries, despite them always being top ranked internationally due to the funding (and therefore research opportunities) they receive.

      [–]john1g 2 ポイント3 ポイント

      Yea I know a kid in HS a couple years ago with a slightly higher SAT, perfect ACT, and 5 SAT2 with perfect scores and impressive extracurriculars and got rejected to HYPS.

      [–]singularityJoe [score hidden]

      Agreed. I had a 2300, sat 1, 2 perfect sat 2s, ranked 6/376, completed a research internship at binghamton university in the summer of junior year, and I got waitlisted at harvard and rejected by yale and princeton. Thankfully I got into Brown.

      [–]SoFarRghtCantSeeLeft 7 ポイント8 ポイント

      And this is reverse discrimination at its finest extent in today's world.

      [–]K3R3G3 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      Unfortunately, it effectively results in regular discrimination of the person better qualified who is of a different race whose place was taken by him. That is grossly unfair. And it happens all the time at all, or almost all, universities. And at tons of jobs/careers. Anyone want to list more examples of places where better qualified individuals get rejected, resulting in lost opportunity through no fault of their own, for this bullshit?

      [–]InternetFree 10 ポイント11 ポイント

      This isn't only a problem with race but also gender.

      My school (technical unversity) gives significantly more support to women (with women-only scholarships, etc).

      Yeah, I totally get it, there should be more women in the sciences but FUCK achieving that goal through discrimination. Parents need to start treating their children equally and schools, too. All this nonsense like "female-only support" or support for minority is total garbage.

      However, for minorities I understand the argument that first there needs to be free (and mandatory) education and basic income. For women? Not so much.

      [–]jianadaren1 4 ポイント5 ポイント

      Gender is even weirder: there are more women than men in American Universities.

      That'd be like affirmative action in favour of men in the military.

      [–]jonathan88876 [score hidden]

      There is affirmative action for men in the military: they are recruited far more aggressively

      [–]jianadaren1 [score hidden]

      Unless you're implying that that aggressive recruitment includes preferential signing bonuses (analogous to scholarships) or lowered standards (e.g. evidence that more female recruits are rejected more frequently), then that does not apply at all.

      If Harvard merely "recruited" a group without offering any advantages ("Please apply so we can reject you!"), then that would most certainly not be considered AA.

      [–]notreddingit 2 ポイント3 ポイント

      reverse discrimination

      Am I missing something here or is it just discrimination?

      [–]forensic_anus 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      It is. reverse racism, sexism ageism are all just racism, sexism or ageism.

      [–]ruskeeblue 33 ポイント34 ポイント

      must be a shortage of black IVY Leaguers

      [–]Flannelboy2 14 ポイント15 ポイント

      Wow his academic crdentials aren't even that great, 11th in his public school with a 2250 on his sat? It's great, but definitely nowhere near record-breaking.

      [–]foxh8er 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      Like somewhere said above, 2250 is well within Harvard's middle 50.

      [–]magicnarwhals 12 ポイント13 ポイント

      I had a 2280 and was 6th in my class in one of the most competitive public schools in the country. Didn't get in to Duke LOOOOL

      [–]ayuan227 6 ポイント7 ポイント

      If I'm remembering the school correctly, Duke does a thing where they have a cap for the number of students from each county based somewhat on population. I have a friend who has about your qualifications (may be better or worse depending on other factors) and she didn't get in because someone from her county got accepted early decision due to recruiting for athletics or music.

      [–]MOFNY 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      Same with my girlfriend. She was valedictorian and I'm sure did well on her SAT, but she was wait listed at Duke. Fortunately she got into Cornell for graduate school.

      [–]rgordill 32 ポイント33 ポイント

      If I take anything away from this thread, it's that white people have it bad and that they are treated unfairly. I should feel sorry for white people.

      [–]singularityJoe [score hidden]

      You should. If I am more academically qualified, why should he get in and I get rejected?

      [–]inkydink [score hidden]

      Because you're probably not more qualified. Not really. Chances are you're just another white dude raging because you've learned about one black kid whose race may have helped him get into higher education, while ignoring the myriad of advantages that being white grants you.

      [–]mililani 11 ポイント12 ポイント

      I used to think the whole affirmative action thing for higher ed admission was bullshit. But, I have been subscribed to the mathematicsgre forums for some time. It's a forum where people post their GPA's, GRE scores, subject scores, and other background info and the math PhD programs they have gotten in to. Man, I had some major cognitive dissonance after reading through all of the last 3 years worth of admission threads.

      Basically, if you're a woman, or a minority (black or hispanic), and you have not so good GRE scores, subject scores, or grades, you can STILL get into a decent tier 1 math Ph.D. program with the department bending over backwards to get you in. If you're a female minority, holy shit they will even beg for you to go to their program. I've seen female minorities post about how the department invited them to tour the campus, meet the faculty, all of this other crazy wooing and schmooing I've never ever seen extended to asian or white guys. I was like, WTF?!

      Yeah, so, I'm not surprised that the kid in this story is black. To be frank, I'm not mad. If you have some advantage, one should use it.

      [–]InternetAthlete 16 ポイント17 ポイント

      Lol, people are mad. The handful of black kids that get into Ivy Leagues are holding you all back.

      [–]DownvoteDaemon [score hidden]

      Oh my god. As a black redditor I am so happy to read this comment. Sucks it is so far down though. This thread especially upsets me because both my black parents went to Yale and had to work hard. It is very frustrating to have all your hard work disregarded because people think you got in only because you are black. My parents escaped great odds to become two black architects who went to Yale. My mom remembers having to use the black water fountain as a child. We get hate from our own black people for succeeding then you get angry white people who say you don't deserve it. My black parents get called an uncle tom and other black people say they act white. We are getting hate from both sides when all we are trying to do is improve out situation as black people.

      [–]GinGimlet [score hidden]

      Don't forget that white people are so oppressed. I mean they can't even get into an Ivy league school anymore! I feel so bad for them.

      [–]PretendsToBeThings [score hidden]

      Maybe as a black man I'm super pissed that all I can say to this kid is "Congrats on being their new trophy."

      [–]InternetFree 27 ポイント28 ポイント

      While I agree with all you people that it is nonsense that this kid got into all those schools mostly because he is black I find it sad and delusional of you that you make a case for "white people".

      You guys do realize that white people also have a bonus like the black kid?

      It is significantly easier for white kids to get into those schools than for Asian kids.

      If it was only about performance while your race and gender would be of no consequence, then you could be pretty sure that more than half the population at American top universities would be of Asian ancestry.

      [–]jonesrr 10 ポイント11 ポイント

      Most white people I know were extremely sympathetic to this 10 years ago, and thought it was unfair for Asians and Jews to be so discriminated against. I still feel that way.

      [–]rymmen 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      Jews aren't proportionally discriminated against by affirmative action generally speaking. They are considered white.

      [–]strathmeyer [score hidden]

      More than half the population at American top universities is of Asian ancestry. And they have the Chinese Club, Japanese Club, Korean Club, and Vietnamese Club, each of which gets student activities fees to hold parties and events where they get to turn away white students. This is what our smartest American Caucasians are experiencing this generation.

      [–]frosty122 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      While I agree with all you people that it is nonsense that this kid got into all those schools mostly because he is black I find it sad and delusional of you that you make a case for "white people".

      oh you're right, no ivy league would have accepted him before they found out he was black, never mind the fact he played the game perfectly. Seriously the fucker could check off every single box that a college is looking for even before the question of race comes up. Academics, sports, music, clubs, AP, volunteering, test scores.

      He scored in the 99th percentile not just for African American students but for all students. source.

      You're seriously being blinded by your hatred for the college admissions process to believe that he got in "mostly" because he's black.

      [–]vngbusa 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      according to this article, he is also an athlete- shotput being his event. Could have tipped the scales. Being a recruited athlete helps massively with this kind of thing.

      http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/shirley-student-accepted-at-all-8-ivy-league-schools-1.7565720

      [–]Wicket_Warrick 2 ポイント3 ポイント

      I threw shot, and I got the impression that it stood out on my college applications just because it was one of the less common athletic events. I had more than one interviewer comment on it: "Nice to meet you. Wow, never shook a shotputter's hand before.."

      [–]NWchef 12 ポイント13 ポイント

      As a seventeen-year-old who got rejected from all of my top choice schools, including two Ivies, with similar stats: I ain't even mad. Maybe a little butthurt that I got rejected, but good for him. Maybe affirmative action is going a little too far sometimes but I'm sure he's an awesome kid. And I got into some great schools! I have faith that the admissions process will get kids where they need to be.

      [–]foxh8er 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      Its amazing how /r/news comments change from hour 0 to hour 5.

      [–]TheEasyCoast [score hidden]

      When a friend of mine in high school was accepted to Harvard, he called every other Ivy League he applied to and withdrew his applications. He knew he was going to choose Harvard, and did not want his acceptances to other schools to jeopardize other's chances of attending an Ivy League. This kid is just taking up space for kids who may be wait listed or not currently accepted to the seven Ivy League schools he won't attend.

      [–]wohuainihao [score hidden]

      I find it funny that none of you mention that he is clearly from a more affluent lifestyle that no doubt helped in his acceptance. I had the scores necessary to get into all the ivy leagues, but I only applied for the two that I had determined I wanted to go to. Why the fuck pay 8 application fees just so I can prissily say that I got into all 8. Seems over the top to me.

      [–]RatsAndMoreRats 6 ポイント7 ポイント

      Cohen says he's "sitting in a very good place right now — I think he can negotiate the very best financial aid package he can get" at his top-choice school.

      This is the crazy part to me. Negotiating? Like he's now got leverage over them? Like a free agent or something, where he can start some sort of bidding war?

      Are you fucking kidding me?

      [–]SNOGLO 10 ポイント11 ポイント

      Oh, absolutely. If you're that sought after, then you can negotiate yourself to a nearly full ride. You just continue counter leveraging between schools.

      The more options you have, the more options you can create.

      [–]RatsAndMoreRats [score hidden]

      Why is he that sought after though? I get letting him in, but they're making it seem like "We've got to have this black kid by fighting with one another about it.

      I'm pretty sure any other kid they'd be like "Here's the offer, take it or leave it" not sitting there are saying "Yale offered him what?!?!? Throw in a car and a free semester of A's! We've got to land this black kid! It's critical to our institution we get a black kid here. We can't let those bastards at Yale snatch him up!"

      [–]pr0bablyaspy 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      This isn't that uncommon, nor is it unique to racial minorities. Plenty of people from a wide range of socioeconomic and ethnic backgrounds going anywhere from their local community college all the way to Princeton do it. College is really expensive, so why not call the financial aid department and try to get the best deal possible? The worst they can say is no.

      [–]forensic_anus 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      Why would you not negotiate?

      [–]cdstephens 6 ポイント7 ポイント

      If you get into most colleges most of the fine you can negotiate financial aid packages one way or another, just like negotiating salaries when you get multiple job offers.

      [–]vcc0m 5 ポイント6 ポイント

      Reddit gets so angry when one person from a very underrepresented group in Ivy League colleges get a shot at success.

      [–]carryokie 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      If he has great success in life and serves as a positive role model for other black kids, more power to him. Not mad :)

      [–]kozlkmark [score hidden]

      Reddit as in the website reddit? I find it very impossible for a website to get mad at anything, as it is not a living organism.

      [–]coolboobs69 6 ポイント7 ポイント

      So a black kid got into good colleges and Reddit cries about it cause its not faaaaaaair. Well guess what. Neither is racial profiling, being overlooked for jobs because of the color of your skin, or being shot because you were wearing a hoodie and taking a walk. Until we actually stand up and do something to make this country truly equal, I'm not gonna cry cause a black kid finally got something good that I couldn't have.

      [–]Dimpl3s 2 ポイント3 ポイント

      Why would anyone apply to all 8 colleges? Was it seriously just because he wanted to see if he could get in? You'd think someone so talented would be able to eliminate some options.

      [–]BooksAndShit_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント

      I know that for me it was truly the apprehension that one college may accept me whereas another wouldn't. Many students may get accepted to Yale but not Harvard. If you wouldn't have applied to Yale, you would always have that reoccurring, "what if..." in the back of your mind. Even my Harvard interviewer said that, on her graduating class's Facebook page, people always talk about how they weren't accepted to Princeton, Yale, Duke, etc, but were accepted to Harvard. So, basically, you never know, so you apply everywhere in hopes of being accepted somewhere.

      Source: Applied to 9 selective schools, 5 Ivies. Accepted to Duke and Dartmouth.

      [–]singularityJoe [score hidden]

      A girl I know applied to penn just to see if she could get in.

      [–]DownvoteDaemon 3 ポイント4 ポイント

      If you are black and you don't want to be frustrated don't read the comments.

      [–]Chrisixx 0 ポイント1 ポイント

      I have to ask the Americans, why is it that minorities / black people have lower entry requirements? Or is this just a myth?

      It seems horribly racist, in both directions.

      Anyway, great success for the kid, hope he makes his way and uses the chance he received and worked for.

      [–]iCookBaconShirtless 4 ポイント5 ポイント

      There are two reasons that black and other underrepresented students are admitted with lower grades and test scores:

      1) If these practices were not in place black and hispanic students would be horribly underrepresented at top universities. Student populations at ivy league schools would be almost exclusively Asian and white. That's simply the unfortunate reality in the US right now, for many reasons that are not entirely understood.

      2) The people in charge of admissions, especially at top schools, are looking for students who are most likely to excel and become exceptional students and leaders. While test scores and grades provide some insight into whether someone will succeed, they are not a sole determining factor. If a person from a rough background overcame their odds to achieve good test scores and grades, they are rightly viewed as more likely to excel than someone who came from a wealthy family and went to the best private grade schools and achieved the same grades. People in charge of admissions take all sorts of aspects of applicants' backgrounds into account, race is just one of them.

      [–]ScrewAttackThis [score hidden]

      I'll try to give you an unbiased answer, here. I think a lot of people are focusing on trying to call affirmative action racist, which isn't an answer to your question.

      The reason why affirmative action exists is because, in general, minorities do worse when it comes to standardized testing and grades. This isn't about the outliers, it's about the average. There's essentially gaps between black and white students. There's a lot of reasons why this is the case, and there's multiple steps being taken to address this. People might not like this idea, but one of the prevailing thoughts is that minority groups still face the consequences of various forms of institutionalized racism. The civil rights movement and racial segregation ended only within the past 50 years in the US. Essentially, for 150 years of the nation's history, there has been government sanctioned racism and this is one of the ways it's attempting to reverse the effects it may have caused.

      Essentially, what people are trying to avoid, is education being completely dominated by a single race which could just perpetuate the problems. If minority groups are not making it into higher education at equal rates, the idea is that they'll continue being at a disadvantage. Schools try to represent various groups as closely to the population as they can and try to account for differences in upbringings.

      Again, I'm talking in general senses.

      The tl;dr of this is pretty much this: being a white male is generally advantageous, being a black male is generally not.

      [–]IAmNotYourBoss [score hidden]

      I show up to be dismissive of the ivies and I walk in on an Affirmative Action circle jerk.

      [–]mrbears [score hidden]

      I went to a top 5 undergrad and consensus top 3 business school and my parents still give me shit that neither was Harvard lol

      [–]deezthrowaway [score hidden]

      Doesn't count, he's black. Affirmative action blah blah blah. Bullshit.

      [–]Filipinolurve [score hidden]

      This is the type of article that just makes me feel like an underachiever/regretting my study habits that have given me the shitty grades I got

      [–]dongiovannirecords [score hidden]

      have any of the people in this thread worried that there are too many black students being admitted to ivy league schools ever actually been on an ivy league campus?

      [–]inner-city-dweller [score hidden]

      Look at how the racist white masses gather in the form of downvotes. Hahahaha everyone, upvote this thread to shine a light on racism at its best.

      [–]zoro_ [score hidden]

      An Indian has to score 225 points more than blacks to apply to the same level college

      [–]franciumcaesium -4 ポイント-3 ポイント

      As someone who had a 2360 on the SAT, 790 and 800 on subject tests, 98%+ average, head of MUN, secretary of student council who unfortunately was white and from Canada...I am going to be doing a lot of drinking tomorrow.