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17-year-old accepted to all 8 Ivy League colleges (usatoday.com)

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[–]InternetFree 25 ポイント26 ポイント 前

While I agree with all you people that it is nonsense that this kid got into all those schools mostly because he is black I find it sad and delusional of you that you make a case for "white people".

You guys do realize that white people also have a bonus like the black kid?

It is significantly easier for white kids to get into those schools than for Asian kids.

If it was only about performance while your race and gender would be of no consequence, then you could be pretty sure that more than half the population at American top universities would be of Asian ancestry.

[–]frosty122 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

While I agree with all you people that it is nonsense that this kid got into all those schools mostly because he is black I find it sad and delusional of you that you make a case for "white people".

oh you're right, no ivy league would have accepted him before they found out he was black, never mind the fact he played the game perfectly. Seriously the fucker could check off every single box that a college is looking for even before the question of race comes up. Academics, sports, music, clubs, AP, volunteering, test scores.

He scored in the 99th percentile not just for African American students but for all students. source.

You're seriously being blinded by your hatred for the college admissions process to believe that he got in "mostly" because he's black.

[–]InternetFree 0 ポイント1 ポイント 前

You're seriously being blinded by your hatred for the college admissions process to believe that he got in "mostly" because he's black.

I'm not even from the US. Where I come from educational standards are higher and everyone who completes highschool can study whatever s/he wants for free. LMAO

Seriously, your rant is just silly. Checking all those boxes and more is what many people can do and they might be accepted at a few schools. Being a minority is an incredible door-opener. Whether you like that or not.

[–]frosty122 2 ポイント3 ポイント 前

You're seriously being blinded by your hatred for the college admissions process to believe that he got in "mostly" because he's black. I'm not even from the US. Where I come from educational standards are higher and everyone who completes highschool can study whatever s/he wants for free. LMAO

Cool, so did those higher educational standards facilitate spewing bullshit you picked up from the internet? Because you're sure fucking good at that.

I think what you know about the US collegiate acceptance process is from what you read on Reddit. Which is a terrible place to learn anything, if I believed what i read Reddit I'd think that all of Europe was filled with racists who hate Gypsies, blacks, Jews and Muslims.

Seriously, your rant is just silly. Checking all those boxes and more is what many people can do and they might be accepted at a few schools. Being a minority is an incredible door-opener. Whether you like that or not.

That's not what you said. You said he got in "mostly because he's black". You heavily implied that it was almost entirely because of his race and I was refuting your point.

[–]InternetFree -1 ポイント0 ポイント 前

Cool, so did those higher educational standards facilitate spewing bullshit you picked up from the internet? Because you're sure fucking good at that.

If you have no actual arguments to make and are incapable of having an intellectually honest conversation, why comment at all?

That's not what you said. You said he got in "mostly because he's black". You heavily implied that it was almost entirely because of his race and I was refuting your point.

Yes.

One statement doesn't contradict the other.

[–]frosty122 [score hidden] 前

Yes. One statement doesn't contradict the other.

This is where it's going to be hard for me to explain since you don't understand what you're talking about. So Colleges look for many things in an applicant, most use a score based system (the applicant isn't told their score or what's worth what points). Schools assign you points based on many things, family income, grades, test scores, extra-curricular activities, classes taken, class rank and even race. You can only get so many points for race, race is usually only a 'push-over' factor. Meaning if you're on the line of acceptance or not, if you're a minority it might help you to get in. However if you're nowhere that "acceptance line" of "yes" or "no" race is not going to help you at all.

Knowing this, I don't see how he got in "mostly because he's black". It's just not possible.

[–]InternetFree [score hidden] 前

This is where it's going to be hard for me to explain since you don't understand what you're talking about.

Once again: If you have no actual arguments to make and are incapable of having an intellectually honest conversation, why comment at all?

Knowing this, I don't see how he got in "mostly because he's black". It's just not possible.

You not understanding what I said is your personal problem, isn't it? It's not an argument against me.

The two statements do not contradict each other.

Maybe this will help you grasp what I said:

However if you're nowhere that "acceptance line" of "yes" or "no" race is not going to help you at all.

That is not related to anything I said.

Your lack of critical reading skills is almost impressive.

[–]frosty122 [score hidden] 前

This

Seriously, your rant is just silly. Checking all those boxes and more is what many people can do and they might be accepted at a few schools.

and this

You not understanding what I said is your personal problem, isn't it? It's not an argument against me. The two statements do not contradict each other.

lead me to believe you don't know what "mostly" means. That sounds really rude, but I don't mean it to be, I just don't think you are reading it the same way it was written. I do it all the time.

So lets give an example. 10 boxes need to be checked for college acceptance. Things like good grades, test scores, volunteering etc. One of the boxes is for if the student is a minority. If 7 boxes need to be checked for a student to be accepted and if a student gets 6 based on traditional merit, but their 7th box is checked because they're a minority race. Would it be accurate to say they got in mostly for being a minority? In other words did they get at least 4 of the 7 boxes checked for being a minority? No it wouldn't, because being a minority only got them that one more box, but without the other six it wouldn't have mattered. It would be just as accurate to say "they mostly got in because they volunteered with children".

[–]InternetFree [score hidden] 前

It's funny how you still do not understand what you are trying to criticize even after getting a hint.

Your condescending attitude is the epitome of Dunning-Kruger in action.

Here, let's give you an example:
100 people apply for a admission. 10 boxes can be checked.
99 of them have 9 boxes checked. One of them has 10 boxes checked. The last box is "is a minority".

That one person gets accepted, the others don't. That person only got in because of his minority status.

It would be just as accurate to say "they mostly got in because they volunteered with children".

No, it wouldn't as volunteering with children was checked by everyone else, too.

And that comparison also is dishonest as volunteering with children is most likely weighted less than being a minority .

[–]frosty122 [score hidden] 前

100 people apply for a admission. 10 boxes can be checked. 99 of them have 9 boxes checked.

99% of people that apply to a school won't have 9 boxes checked. Maybe 1 or 2 people at most. Most people are going to rely on grades and their SAT score only for college admission.

No, it wouldn't as volunteering with children was checked by everyone else, too

Again you assume that everyone else in the example volunteered. I never stated in my example that everyone got 6 boxes checked, in fact most people would probably only get 2 or 3. The fact is most high-schoolers in the US are not musicians, athletes, academically smart, and put in the effort to volunteer, and if they are I'd bet my left foot they didn't score 99 percentile on SAT. I wish I could provide statistics, but you'll just have to ask some high-schoolers.