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UNDERSTANDING

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>>9185832 (OP)
motherfucker. Awesome. I hope this is real.

>>9185832 (OP)
Aint going to last when Ledo shoots it.

>>9185832 (OP)
I wish the space squids were not human.

Called it.
At lest we still have MJP.

>>9185857
>MJP
>not ending in UNDERSTANDINGS

>>9185857
The space chick was talking about "understanding", but we may be safe, I don't think the rape kingdom wants to understand their prey.

At very least I think Valvrave is safe from understanding. I don't think anyone in that show is sane enough to try peaceful resolutions.

>>9185863
The two Brothers of Teoria will die especially McBuff Huge.

>>9185869
All the rapist are going to get killed then the rape victims will find a new life with the good guys.

>>9185870

Not Biff Hardmeat!

>>9185869
I'm hoping MJP is like the classic shoes (especially Nagahama's) and ends with a sword duel between Izuru and Jiart, with Jiart losing and tossing himself into his burning palace.

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Oh well

>>9185883
>I'm hoping MJP is like the classic shoes

Fuck off, foot fetishist. This show is for tit men only.

>>9185899
Now Chamber is evil.

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>I love you onii-ch.....AH AH NO NO NOOOOOO

>>9185905
all these spoilers. Motherfuck. Whyyyyyy.

>>9185899
>>9185905
>Chamber: No understanding on my watch.

>>9185902
Time to drop this then.

>>9185902
If Chamber was evil then why did he let Ledo access the information?

>>9185923
I don't he's evil, as much as his programing is absolute. He serves the alliance, not Ledo. He's programed to kill the enemy. Period. Ledo says, "wait, don't kill the cute squid, baby, mermaid thing until we know what is going on" and the overriding program is "kill the enemy", chamber is going to kill the enemy. Granted chamber is no longer Ledo's bro, but he wasn't really meant to be. They were both machines made for killing, it's just Ledo as a human with emotions and imagination can be other things.

>>9185963
Can eurobutcher do anything original?

I'm surprised that nobody has a Heero laughing version of this scene yet.

>>9186006

Comparison with that Eva shot? No head drop though...

>>9186007
Just shoop his face on to Chamber or something. If I had a non background one it would be easy enough.

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wow

>>9185899
Ah, so it begins.

>>9186067
We all knew this was a possible outcome.

>>9185905
>crushes adorable squid human
HUMANITY RULES!

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No room for heresy, must remove squid.

>>9186096
>They told me I could become anything.jpg

>>9186096
wait.. wat? Hideazu are human?

Well that's stupid, they made a cute humanoid looking Hideauze so that we would feel bad about it when Champer killed it.

>>9186110
No Hideauze are post-humans.

>you are feeding on offsprings of DNA altered human 100000 years ago

>>9186094
That was actually chamber who crushed it.

And now, time for the third renaissance, machines vs aliens version

now playing - supermoves.

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Squid or Flower?
You choose

>>9186156
I like how shiny the ELS is so flower?

>>9186156
Space Metal of course.

gargantia: human altered into space squids
VVV: human altered into space vampires
MJP: artificial human

oh wow

>>9186192
What's MJP?

Damnit.

DAMNIT

WHY CANT SPACE MONSTERS JUST BE SPACE MONSTERS ANY MORE?!

>>9186196
Majestic Prince.

>>9186196
Majestic Prince

>>9186192
the singularity is here

>>9186196
humans adapted for deep space combat

>>9186196
My Jestic Prince.

>>9186196
My Jittle Pony

>>9186204
>>9186206
>>9186208
Thanks.

>>9186127
Who invented this sentient killing machine? THE TERRAN FEDERATION! DESTROY THE HYPER EVOLVED SPACE SQUID MEN!

>>9186199
Because monsters are subjective. Mary Shelley taught us that a long time ago. She also taught us that nature can be boring as fuck.

>>9186228
You only have yourself to blame, Flit.

>>9185832 (OP)

So a bug war can't just be a bug war, and instead we have this inexplicable reveal of the Hideauze actually being genetically altered humans.


Well, okay.

>>9186258
Kinda obvious when Amy started blaming for killing the Hideauze.

Evil whale squids have feelings too.

Conclusion:
Mankind is at fault for creating all the unnessary trouble to burn their own ass.

>>9185963
hahaha

If the space squid really are good then, why didn't they just show themselves to the Gargantians?

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>>9186242

>>9186258
Not even the original Bug War was a 'bug war' as you're thinking of.

>If the Hikikomori really are good then, why didn't they just show themselves to the public?

>>9186318
Hikki's ain't good

>>9186235
There's being misunderstood and there's prejudice, both which factor in, but haven't really factored itself in here except from Ledo.

>>9186318
Or are we the Hikkikomori? Hideazue seemed like they were built for space exploration and colonization. But reverting to a semi animalistic form seems kind of weird. Maybe there are human shape hideazue and the giant ones are just like battleships and mindless infantry.

BUT IF HE GOES ON LIKE THAT, MAZINGER ZETTO WILL BECOME A DEVIL

>>9185869

>At very least I think Valvrave is safe from understanding. I don't think anyone in that show is sane enough to try peaceful resolutions.

Well, Shoko might try in her own weird way. But that's a subject for another time and place.

>>9185902

Chamber will be the last boss.

>>9186335
Their fortress in the first episode clearly suggests they are not mindless and have a good grasp of tactics and strategy. Better than the Alliance at least.

>>9186359
Chamber is the parent that Ledo has to move out from.

Let Earth itself be the last boss, and rejects mankind at the very end.

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>>9186366
THEN I'LL PUNCH EARTH IN THE FACE

>>9186308

Of that, I am well aware.

But even so, the Bugs were not randomly humans having reached some crazy evolutionary stage due to genetic modification.

>>9186376
This isn't random at all.

>>9186380

It sure as shit seems like it.

>>9186380

They weren't stated to be humans from the start, and he wasn't expecting it, therefor it's random.

>>9186402

Or it's just something that comes completely out of the blue for a hackneyed twist.

>>9186424

How would it be any less hackneyed if the alien invaders had turned out to just be alien invaders out of interest? It's not like both styles of stories haven't been done thousands of times. It doesn't have any real significance at the moment because it's only just been revealed.

God fucking dammit.

Why is every space show regular humans (always the villain in some way) vs. humans evolved to adapt to life in space (always misunderstood and misrepresented)?

Every fucking time.

Why do all anime end this way? It's so clichéd and half-assed.

Watch them magically be forgiven despite killing a ton of people.

>>9186437

It's hackneyed in this particular sense in that it's another abrupt, jarring twist to force in this outlook that's all-pervasive in so many Japanese shows as of late.


The most recent posts have also encapsulated this quite neatly:


>>9186444
>>9186446

>>9186437
Well, the difference is that this twist is just following the current trend. You're right that the alternative was done many times before, but nowadays we're getting this done almost every time.

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You know, this thread reminds me of a project for a sci-fi book I intended to write some ago. I should get on it.

>>9186468
some time* ago, ofc.

>>9186444

Possibly because humans aren't very well adapted for life outside of our particular gravity ball and genetic modification is a good way to circumvent that. Also, fermi paradox. Also, time and distance make people forget shit all the time. Also, Heroic Age isn't and there's probably dozens of other anime in the last few years alone that also aren't, though that's the first to jump to mind.

>>9186452

If it's all-pervasive it can't really be jarring, especially given people have been calling this show to go full UNDERSTANDING since episode one. Again, the distinct possibility exists that the production team have some purpose to doing this that will be explained later, stuff brought up in one episode often does get explained or examined later in shows.

>>9186446
You CAN forgive people, but still hold them accountable for their actions. That's the whole point of incarceration and such. Why do these retarded writers have to let these murderers off scott-free though? That isn't fair to the people that they've harmed to simply say that there's no consequences to their actions.

That's something I've noticed in a lot of these stories, actions don't often have any concrete consequences.

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So wait, let me get this straight.

that evolver thing fucks up Earth's environment, and humans must therefore leave the planet. So what do Jap scientists do? They turn humans into fucking squids because you know, cold sleep isn't good enough. They must "evolve" humans in order to colonize space...

>>9186444

Fafner and Gundam 00 had real aliens

also Muvluv.. no understanding whatsoever there..

>>9186475

Oh, and for anyone saying that it also might not be explained I'd like to point out that the show's setting seems to have been geared towards this since episode one given the fact that the Human Alliance don't even live on planets but in colonies which would indicate they couldn't find any other suitable planets to settle on as normal humans.

>>9186506

...How, exactly, does that hint at the nature of the Hideauze?

The universe is a massive fucking place, and there's innumerable planets that do not support human life.

>>9186444

Because Japan has really, really weird ideas about how evolution works.

Think about it. Yeah, you can dismiss Pokemon for just being a gimmicky kids show... but TTGL and Getter are both explicitly POWERED by Evolution.

Akira? Physics are just people who tap into the limitless potential of evolution.

Evangelion and all of the many similar shows that end with an assimilation plot? Forced Evolution is the not-entirely-evil badguy goal.

Humans vs the next stage of evolution.

Humans vs genetically engineered people.

Humans vs genetically engineered monsters.

It just keeps happening. Japan very much thinks of Evolution as a Thing, not a Process.

>>9186521

> Akira? Physics are just people who tap into the limitless potential of evolution.

Psychics. Not Physics. Derp.

>>9186521
you forgot pokemon

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>>9186235

nature.. boring? more like horrifying

>>9186526

No he didnt. The second line, dude.

>>9186526
Learn to read.

>>9186513

If they can't even find one suitable planet and have to live in colonies then it indicates that Earth is the only place humans can comfortably live and have to change significantly to live in other environments. Couple it with the fact that the show has only one other alien species in all that space and it indicates the show is going for a universe (or at least a galaxy) where humans and humans alone reside a la the fermi paradox.

>>9186110
No, they are post-human.

>>9186112
It was one of the young ones.

>>9186549

You are drawing a LOT of conclusions that fit in hindsight, but in no way focus the storyline into its current form. It is only a hint if it narrows down the possibilities significantly, but what you are talking about has been done in scifi hundreds of times without going anywhere near this particular outcome.

How is CHAMBAH even powered and how does he resupply energy?

>>9186530
These are Delicious by the way.

>>9186549

Or it just indicates that the universe is a massive place and it's incredibly difficult to find planets with conditions like Earth's, and not that humans suddenly decided to become squids to brave space.


...Now that I think about it, why the fuck didn't those humans who left Earth make a beeline for the discovered planets confirmed to be in the Goldilocks zone? They could have saved themselves a lot of trouble.

Wait, so why do they swim ass first and where did the beak thing they have go?

>>9186502
No, earth was entering a natural ice age, so the Evolvers (an organization) start doing experiments on creating a new form of humanity that can survive in space.

The continental Alliance (The government which eventually becomes the galactic alliance) freaks out and goes to war with the evolvers.

Both factions have to leave earth as it freezes over, and the war expands into space. The Alliance dosn't go transhuman like the evolvers so they are stuck living in ships unable to find a suitable planet. As they fight the Evolvers for thousands of years, there society becomes more militaristic and utilitarian due to the constraints of living in space. All they have left is the fact that they are still "Human" so they rename themselves the Galactic Alliance of Humanity. They also rename the Evolvers "Hidazue" (Hideous) for propaganda reasons.

This is of course kept secret from low ranking soldiers like Leddo.

>>9186577

I wasn't saying that it could only be used that way though, only that the producers of the show clearly have a plan and have set up some stuff since episode one to facilitate that.

>>9186595

To be fair, I can only imagine that the early post-human experiments were fucking horrifying.

>>9186592
Normal squid swim ass first.

As for "Why can't they find a planet like earth" they said in episode 1, that there are no other planets like earth. While this may not jive with many current theories, it's part of the established setting that earthlike planets are rare.
Humanity had two options, stay human and live under an oppressive regime searching for a planet that might support life, or turn themselves into transhuman space squids and be able to adapt to live in any environment.

It's an interesting dichotomy because one side became inhuman in there form, while the other side maintains there physical humanity, but has there society reduced to an inhuman police state.

>>9186587
perpetual energy generation that relies on quantum mechanics think solar reactors from 00

It's very much Uncle Gen's style to make the universe a harsh inhospitable place where mankind cannot survive without abandoning there humanity in one way or another.

it's also very much Uncle Gen's style to say that humanity would go to war over something as petty as space squids, even when humanity faces extinction at the hands of an ice age.

For everyone who was waiting for suffering, here it is. A couple thousand years worth of it uncovered in one episode

>>9186621
>It's very much Uncle Gen's style to make the universe a harsh inhospitable place

It's true. Humans aren't very adapted for outer space. Cosmic ray, zero gravity, it plays havoc with our physiology.

>>9186621
>over something as petty as space squids,

Fighting for future of humanity is not a petty reason.

>>9186587
The glyphs on his armor say that he has anti-mater in his chest. So probably some anti-matter reactor.

No idea how it's recharged. But it doesn't seem to be a finite supply, just something that needs to take time to be replenished. Perhaps they found an efficient way to generate antimatter.

>>9186608

>There are no planets like Earth

...But there are.

There's no 'theory' that postulates the mere existence of a planet like Earth, there are verified planets, charted and documented, that can very likely support human life. Hell, as early as back in April, two Earth-like planets with conditions very similar to our own were discovered - folks called them the best candidates for habitability found so far. Back in 2011, there was a report suggesting that 54 planets discovered by the Kepler telescope fell within the habitable zone, and had conditions conducive to liquid water, precipitating a possibility of future human habitation. 54!

And yet despite these discoveries, the Alliance wanders aimlessly in space.

Why is the entire planet covered in water?

There has to be land somewhere, it just hasn't been mentioned...

>>9186632
In real life, but not in this show. It's a story, and features lots of fantastic elements.

It's also true that even after an ice age, the entire world would not be covered in water. there is not enough water on earth to cover the entire surface.

>>9186640
There are two small island chains visible on the map in Ridget's office. They correspond with mountain ranges on earth, only flipped upsidown.

>>9186468
WHAT'S GOOD NIGGA

>>9186632
Probably didn't have terraforming technology?

Or maybe they were so adverse to trying to adapt their bodies to accommodate a few variances in bacterial life and atmospheres that it had to be an "Exact Earth" or "No Earth" at all. Which would probably be understandable if their last memories of genetic experimentation was gradual mutation into a sea creature.

>>9186632
Aren't those planets the sort that Mars and Venus are considered more habitable by humans? Sure, we could live on them if we drop huge domes on them and climate control everything, but we'd have to do that for a featureless hunk of rock anyway. The closest thing those planets have going for them is gravity, and I recall seeing estimates that they were between a quarter and 4x the mass of earth. They certainly don't have stable atmospheres with the correct blend of Oxygen and Nitrogen.

>>9186640
>Why is the entire planet covered in water?

ya got me. even if both the arctics melted completely there'd still be SOME land

>>9186632
Gargantia's humanity was not as lucky as ours.

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>>9186640
There is dry land.

So was it ever really a time-travel thing?

Or was the planet being assaulted in the first episode the only other "perfect earth" that the Galactic Humans could find and wanted?

Because if that's not Earth, but they're still fighting for it, it must be the next closest thing to Earth.

>>9186640
>Why is the entire planet covered in water?

The subterrestrial water returned to the surface.
Read Stephen Baxter's Flood.

>>9186659
So south is the new north then?

Wouldn't be surprising, given that magnetic poles were stated to have shifted several times before.

>>9186666
>So was it ever really a time-travel thing?

No.

Isn't there more water in the inner Earth than there is in all the oceans combined? And water on the surface is being slowly evaporated into space

>>9186651

The habitable planets listed in the extra-solar planetary database and such places are listed because they fall in the goldilocks zone of their system's sun (so probably around the right year round temperatures for life) and are theorized to have the kind of planetary composition and atmospheres for life. None of it is definite yet though, contrary to what >>9186632 said. They may be able to support life, but they may turn out to be completely adverse to it too due to as you say odd mixes of various gases in the atmosphere that are unbreathable by us or what have you.

>>9186640

None of the planet was covered in water at points. The environment changes. This is just another one, something happened that caused water levels to increase, not just the seas but the amount of water trapped in ice etc. It must have rained for a long time at some point.

>>9186676
>And water on the surface is being slowly evaporated into space

Pretty sure that's not how evaporation or gravity works.

>>9186659
>>9186646
It checks out.

>>9186679
Why not? Atmosphere is just something that makes that process slower than on planets/moons without one. A molecule can easily break the escape velocity.

>>9186632
>very likely
Likely isn't a certainty. While they may seem to fit conditions using methods to observe, there's no way to tell if it's actually true without actually traveling there which isn't currently possible for us.

With that being said, when it comes to works of fictions, a person needs to have a suspension of disbelief. Without it, then you could nitpick everything in pretty much every work of fiction (and most likely some works of nonfiction with recent scientific breakthroughs). Although the fact a planet capable supporting human life no being found could also be a lie spread the galactic federation just to prolong the war vs space squids.

>>9186677
That's what I thought. I did a bit of researching and the 2 planets he was referring to are probably those mentioned by http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/04/130418-exoplanets-earth-planets-science-space-kepler-nasa/ . They clearly aren't "Class M, let's beam down the colonists with some picnic baskets and tents!" quality, and the two qualities they have that are highlighted are 1) somewhat correct 'year', 2) mostly correct mass.

>>9186659
fucking gargantians can't even tell north from south.

primitive idiots

>>9186696
Isn't the current north really south anyway? But they stick with it just because. Same reason electrons actually move to opposite way of the current because they originally just guessed which way they were going.

>>9186685
>Atmosphere is just something that makes that process slower than on planets/moons without one.


Because atmosphere is made of those molecules and gasses. Gravity keeps them around the earth. Unless they have massive velocity I don't see how they can escape earths gravity field.

>>9186696
"North" and "South" is something we decided. We could just as easily reverse it and it wouldn't change anything.

>>9186704
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_escape

>>9186708
Well, we'd have to bolt everything down first, otherwise it would fall over while the directions adjusted.

>>9186703

North and south are just subjective points on a map calculated using the Earth's magnetic field, which changes every couple of million or so years from my understanding. As far as I know scientists expect it to change again at any time since it's roughly due, so even though it's doubtful, it's still possible that within your lifetime south could become north and vice-versa.

What I've never been terribly clear on is what kind of effect this would have on the environment, if any. Would it cause natural disasters of any kind when it happened, or would it simply be needles point a different way, most people don't even notice kind of thing?

>>9186679
Actually we are slowly losing our atmosphere and water.

Hydrogen ions in the upper atmosphere can reach escape velocity and slowly leak into space.

>>9186727
It's been linked to mass extinctions. Some (most, I think) migratory birds, for example, have been shown to rely on magnetic fields to know where to migrate.

>>9186703
We named the horth end of the compass north because it points that direction, so yes technically the north has the magnetic south pole

>>9185832 (OP)
I BRING YOU LOOOOOVE.

>>9186727
the magnetic field drops to a lower amout so it lets more of that sweet sweet sun radiation pass

>>9186765

So we all bake alive because of radiation if it happens? Not that we won't anyway because of global warming. Which would be happening anyways even if humans never existed because we're coming out of the colder part of an inter-glacial period.

Even using a compass, there is no real reason why north has to be up. We just put it that way because western Europe (the people who make the maps) are on the northern hemisphere, and wanted to be on top.

If Africans had become the dominant culture, you can be sure south would be up and north would be down.

For a group of humans re-discovering earth with nothing to use as reference, there is a 50/50 chance of picking either direction to be up on a map. The studio probably picked south as up to make the Gargantians seem exotic.

What if the squids have nothing against humanity as a whole and just really, really hate the Gargantians?

>>9186797
The squids don't hate the Gargantians though. The space squids are naturally at war with the Alliance, but the earth squids only seem interested in defending there nest.