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What at Vienna　in 1873．

13:22 |

How do you know the S&G sold in Vienna?

Richard P said...

Thanks for further insights galore.

That S&G sold in Vienna must be the fanciest one I've seen.

30 August 2011 00:41

oz.Typewriter: On This Day in Typewriter History (XCIX)

There is the names of Emmett Densmore & Farnham, in the catalog of the Vienna 1873.

The machine's name was Sholes' Type-Writer

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At Vienna, the catalog says the machine as Sholes' Type-Writer or so.

Clarence G Dinsmore New York

(380.) Emmet Dinsmore, Meadville, Pa.― Shole's type-writer; a machine for writing by pressing on a bank of keys.

REPORTS OF THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE UNITED STATES TO THE INTERNATIONAL ... - Google ブックス

380 EMMET DINSMORE Meadville Pennsylvania

• Sholes Type Writer a Machine for Writing by pressing on a bank of keys size and arrangement of lines paragraphs and pages varied at pleasure and several copies made at once
• Shole's Buchstabenschreiber cine Maschine urn zu schreiben indem man auf einer Reihe von Tasten driickt Crosse und Anordnung der Linien Paragraphe und Seiten kann nach Belieben veriindert und mehrere Copien auf einmal verfer tigt werden
• Shole's Type Writer ou machine à écrire au moyen d une série de touches es pacement et disposition des lignes paragraphes pages variees au gré de l écrivain plusieurs copies obtenues à la fois

Official Catalogue of the American Department - Google ブックス

Densmore E 668 Type writing machines

Printing paper composing and distributing type

Densmore & Farnham 668

Descriptive index [afterw.] Chronological and descriptive index of patents ... - Patent office - Google ブックス

Emmet Dinsmore, ― Sholes type-writer; Emmett Densmore - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

a contract to manufacture an indefinite number of "Sholes & Glidden Type-Writer," a machine of which you have heard, it having been invented, and a number manufactured, at Milwaukee.

18:11 |

"Ilion", Milwaukee Daily Sentinel, Vol.XXX, No.142 (June 14, 1873), p.2, l.2-3.

The Remington Arms Manucatory - Sewing and Other Machines.

Milwaukee Inventions and Inventors - A New Steam-plow.

And, speaking of Milwaukee inventions, reminds me to say that the manufactory has a contract to manufacture an indefinite number of "Sholes & Glidden Type-Writer," a machine of which you have heard, it having been invented, and a number manufactured, at Milwaukee. They have already got done the pattern machine, by which the rest are to be manufactured, and if the utility of the machine shall equal the finish, beauty, and perfection with which this one gotten up,then assuredly will the sanguine hopes of its projectors, that it is to bring to them untold pelt, and to the locality of its birth undying fame, be realized. But the beautiful things are not always the most useful, and this will have to wait for other and severer tests to determine its merits and success.

QWERTY People Archive

The women who saw what the men were making.

06:57 |

At least, two of them left something said to.

Each wives of Glidden and Soule, and a daughter(?) of Sholes.

Lillian Sholes: daughter? of Sholes

Lillian says:

492 (12) March 30, 1905 THE CHRISTIAN ADVOCATE

The Earliest Typewriters

Now comes forward Miss Lillian Sholes,

• who claims that the first practical typewriter was made in Milwaukee in the early part of 1873. by her father, the original inventor, C. Latham Sholes.

Miss Sholes states that

• she learned to operate successfully this machine at her father's residence in Milwaukee.
• The machine used by her was one of twelve built during 1873
  • which were pronounced successful.
• Out of twenty or thirty typewriters, not called by that name at the time, made by Mathias Schwalbach, of Milwaukee, during 1873,
• all but about a dozen were destroyed as not being usable.

The Christian advocate. v. 80 (Jan.-June 1905). - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library

The Earliest Typewriters - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

Who was Mathias Schwalbach? - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

Lillian証言によれば 1873年に12台だか、Schwalbachが作ったとか　無かったっけか。あと　彼が　そのうちの多くを壊しちゃった（？あるいは使いまわしてつぶした？）とか、 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

Mrs. Glidden

Glidden夫人？とDensmore家？との係争 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

家の名誉のために？ - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

Mrs. Betsey Call Soule

Samuel Willard Soule, born in Pompey, N. Y., Jan. 25, 1830, married Betsey Call Pelton, daughter of Amos Pelton, the ceremony performed by Rev. Moses Kidder, a minister of the Christian Church, Jan. 21, 1867, in Woodstock, Vermont. She was born in that town July 2, 1844. Mr. Soule died of cancer in Brooklyn, N. Y., July 25, 1875.

In the summer of 1867 C. Latham Sholes, the local Collector of Customs, with Carlos Glidden, conceived the idea of formulating a machine in which types could be used for writing, and Mrs. Soule, still living and in possession of a fruitful memory, recalls the appearance of the first working model produced. It resembled an old-fashioned melodeon but the keys were marked with letters and numerals, and when the proprietors failed of accomplishing some important result they appealed to Samuel Soule to assist them. He was the man who first suggested the cylindrical arrangement of the types, the movement of the carriage, the spacer, the inked-ribbon and its unrolling from one spool and simultaneously winding upon another.

Samuel Willard Soule - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

A reason why S&G typebars so Clash and JAM.

still writing | 13:37 |

Why so wabbling was the S&G? Because the S&G didn't have opened-eye-shaped connecting points on the key-levers with the wire pulling up to the type-bar.. One of the reasons..

DR wrote that the typebars of S&G clash and JAM , even if of the up-strikes made in the 1880s do not jam almost.

The professor is comparing typewriters of the 1880s with the Sholes hand-made prototypes dating prior to 1872 or so! Sure, the 1880s typebars, improved mechanically, did not jam. I'll buy that. But they DID jam in the Sholes prototypes. S&Gs, too (although I'm sure it was worse in the prototypes).

From my experience with Sholes & Gliddens (I have owned four of them over the years), the type bars were indeed likely to clash and jam. Of course, when I had these in my hands, they were more than 100 years old, so I can't say how they would have behaved when new. However I can confidently say that machines of the 1880s (like the Rem 2) were much better and far less likely to jam. I wouldn't say they "never" jammed, though.

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Why so different? S&G vs. the 1880s

One of the reasons might be the difference of the connecting point with the wire on the top of the key-levers each.

If the connecting point is on the orbital plane of the typebars each, that is the best position to place.

The placement was shown by Sholes on the patent, application year: 1881.

This pattern appears in the patent of Sholes-1881application , Pat. US558428 Fig.2 or Fig. 3.

• Christopher Latham Sholes (1819-1890)

キーレヴァー上のタイプバー駆動ワイヤーとの接続点配置の変遷史 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

If having these patterns,then:

• The connecting point on the key-lever is on the orbital plane of the type-bar each.
• This is the pattern that the side-way-effect of pulling force to type-bars may be minimized or almost nothing.

When were the connecting points formed ellipse shape, of the up-strikes? - The actuality on - QWERTY history

But in the S&G days, the connecting point was not cared much to put on concerning with the orbital plane of the typebar movement. Maybe, Jenne or Clough didn't matter enough, in the begining at least.

The patentUS470874 drawing by Glidden preserve the placement of the connecting point on the S&G , and we living in the 21th do know. The repeated pattern by four key-levers each..

U. S. Patent No.470874は S&Gの開発に係わるものというよりは それのキーボードへのオルタナティヴの提案。 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

キーレヴァー上のタイプバー駆動ワイヤーとの接続点配置の変遷史 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

When were the connecting points formed ellipse shape, of the up-strikes? - The actuality on - QWERTY history

We may confirm the pattern by watching the picture of the S&G in the ScienceWorks, Melbourne.

ScienceWorks, Melbourne

oz.Typewriter: Thinking of you in America: The Smithsonian S & G Typewriter

ありゃりゃ　ワイヤー接続点が キーレヴァー4本ごとに千鳥配置だ。 すると、目の形に並んだのは　いつか？ - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

キーレヴァー上のタイプバー駆動ワイヤーとの接続点配置の変遷史 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

When were the connecting points formed ellipse shape, of the up-strikes? - The actuality on - QWERTY history

When were the connecting points formed ellipse shape, of the up-strikes?

sent to TG | 11:13 |

When were the connecting points formed a ellipse shape or an opened eye shape, of the up-strike machines?

• On the S&G, in the half way to Remington No.2, before 1878 ?
• On the Remington No.2 and at 1878 ?
• On the Caligraph?
• On the Remington Standard No.2 ?
• Or on the others..

We are familiar with the round cage shape of the linkages between the key-levers and the type-bars of the up-strike typewriter.

Patent US360529 - JOHNS - Google Patents

Like:

• Remington Standard No.2

  Remington Standard 2 のロゴ？ キーレヴァーとタイプバーの接続のクロス・非クロス？ - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

• Caligraph No. 2

  Typewriter Museum

  http://www.schrijfmachine.be/caligraph2.htm
• REMINGTON STANDARD No 7 TYPEWRITER, 1896

  The Museum of Technology, the Great War and WWII”

This pattern appears in the patent of Sholes-1881application , Pat. US558428 Fig.2 or Fig. 3.

• Christopher Latham Sholes (1819-1890)

キーレヴァー上のタイプバー駆動ワイヤーとの接続点配置の変遷史 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

If having these patterns,then:

• The connecting point on the key-lever is on the orbital plane of the type-bar each.
• This is the pattern that the side-effect of pulling force to type-bars may be minimized or almost nothing.

But in the early S&G days or so, the layout of the the points connecting with the wires to the typebars each might not make the ellipse shape but the repeated pattern by four key-levers each.

• This should make type-bars wobble worse.

U. S. Patent No.470874は S&Gの開発に係わるものというよりは それのキーボードへのオルタナティヴの提案。 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

ScienceWorks, Melbourne

oz.Typewriter: Thinking of you in America: The Smithsonian S & G Typewriter

ありゃりゃ　ワイヤー接続点が キーレヴァー4本ごとに千鳥配置だ。 すると、目の形に並んだのは　いつか？ - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

キーレヴァー上のタイプバー駆動ワイヤーとの接続点配置の変遷史 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

I wanna know.

I posted it to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TYPEWRITERS/message/56792 .

When were the connecting points formed ellipse shape, of the up-stri

sent to TG | 15:49 |

When were the connecting points formed a ellipse shape or an opened-eye-shape,

of the up-strike machines?

On the S&G, in the half way to Remington No.2, before 1878 ?

On the Remington No.2 and at 1878 ?

On the Caligraph?

On the Remington Standard No.2 ?

Or on the others..

We are familiar with the round cage shape of the linkages between the key-levers

and the type-bars of the up-strike typewriter.

http://www.google.com/patents/US360529?printsec=drawing#v=onepage&q&f=false

Like Remington Standard No.2

http://www.typewritermuseum.org/collection/kbrd_writers/_ill/rem22.jpg

http://www.typewritermuseum.org/collection/index.php3?machine=rem2&cat=ku#

This pattern appears in the patent of Sholes-1881applied, Pat. US558428 of Fig.2 or Fig. 3.

: Christopher Latham Sholes (1819-1890)

http://www.google.com/patents/US558428?printsec=drawing#v=onepage&q&f=false

If having these patterns,then:

The connecing point on the key-lever is on the orbital plane of the type-bar

each.

This is the pattern that the side-way-effect of pulling force to type-bars may

be minimized or almost nothing.

But in the early S&G days or so, the layout of the the points connecting to the

wires from the typebars each might not make the ellipse shape but the repeated

pattern by four key-levers each.

: This should make type-bars wobble worse.

See Pat. US470874 Fig. 6 of the connecting point to the wire.

http://www.google.com/patents?id=6-VvAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PA4#v=onepage&q&f=false

The S&G in ScienceWorks, Melbourne

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PkGO0mPawLY/UASySZSmxwI/AAAAAAAAShc/9AbljkLkFhk/s1600/\

MelbourneFeb2011+012.JPG

http://f.hatena.ne.jp/raycy/20120725135334

I want to know when the connecting points formed the opened-eye-shape, as the

Sholes patent US558428 of Fig.2 or Fig. 3.

Or never ?

~rj

http://qwerty-history.g.hatena.ne.jp/raycy/20120725/1343182439