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What at Vienna　in 1873．

13:22 |

How do you know the S&G sold in Vienna?

Richard P said...

Thanks for further insights galore.

That S&G sold in Vienna must be the fanciest one I've seen.

30 August 2011 00:41

oz.Typewriter: On This Day in Typewriter History (XCIX)

There is the names of Emmett Densmore & Farnham, in the catalog of the Vienna 1873.

The machine's name was Sholes' Type-Writer

S(without &G)

At Vienna, the catalog says the machine as Sholes' Type-Writer or so.

Clarence G Dinsmore New York

(380.) Emmet Dinsmore, Meadville, Pa.― Shole's type-writer; a machine for writing by pressing on a bank of keys.

REPORTS OF THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE UNITED STATES TO THE INTERNATIONAL ... - Google ブックス

380 EMMET DINSMORE Meadville Pennsylvania

• Sholes Type Writer a Machine for Writing by pressing on a bank of keys size and arrangement of lines paragraphs and pages varied at pleasure and several copies made at once
• Shole's Buchstabenschreiber cine Maschine urn zu schreiben indem man auf einer Reihe von Tasten driickt Crosse und Anordnung der Linien Paragraphe und Seiten kann nach Belieben veriindert und mehrere Copien auf einmal verfer tigt werden
• Shole's Type Writer ou machine à écrire au moyen d une série de touches es pacement et disposition des lignes paragraphes pages variees au gré de l écrivain plusieurs copies obtenues à la fois

Official Catalogue of the American Department - Google ブックス

Densmore E 668 Type writing machines

Printing paper composing and distributing type

Densmore & Farnham 668

Descriptive index [afterw.] Chronological and descriptive index of patents ... - Patent office - Google ブックス

Emmet Dinsmore, ― Sholes type-writer; Emmett Densmore - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

a contract to manufacture an indefinite number of "Sholes & Glidden Type-Writer," a machine of which you have heard, it having been invented, and a number manufactured, at Milwaukee.

18:11 |

"Ilion", Milwaukee Daily Sentinel, Vol.XXX, No.142 (June 14, 1873), p.2, l.2-3.

The Remington Arms Manucatory - Sewing and Other Machines.

Milwaukee Inventions and Inventors - A New Steam-plow.

And, speaking of Milwaukee inventions, reminds me to say that the manufactory has a contract to manufacture an indefinite number of "Sholes & Glidden Type-Writer," a machine of which you have heard, it having been invented, and a number manufactured, at Milwaukee. They have already got done the pattern machine, by which the rest are to be manufactured, and if the utility of the machine shall equal the finish, beauty, and perfection with which this one gotten up,then assuredly will the sanguine hopes of its projectors, that it is to bring to them untold pelt, and to the locality of its birth undying fame, be realized. But the beautiful things are not always the most useful, and this will have to wait for other and severer tests to determine its merits and success.

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The women who saw what the men were making.

06:57 |

At least, two of them left something said to.

Each wives of Glidden and Soule, and a daughter(?) of Sholes.

Lillian Sholes: daughter? of Sholes

Lillian says:

492 (12) March 30, 1905 THE CHRISTIAN ADVOCATE

The Earliest Typewriters

Now comes forward Miss Lillian Sholes,

• who claims that the first practical typewriter was made in Milwaukee in the early part of 1873. by her father, the original inventor, C. Latham Sholes.

Miss Sholes states that

• she learned to operate successfully this machine at her father's residence in Milwaukee.
• The machine used by her was one of twelve built during 1873
  • which were pronounced successful.
• Out of twenty or thirty typewriters, not called by that name at the time, made by Mathias Schwalbach, of Milwaukee, during 1873,
• all but about a dozen were destroyed as not being usable.

The Christian advocate. v. 80 (Jan.-June 1905). - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library

The Earliest Typewriters - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

Who was Mathias Schwalbach? - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

Lillian証言によれば 1873年に12台だか、Schwalbachが作ったとか　無かったっけか。あと　彼が　そのうちの多くを壊しちゃった（？あるいは使いまわしてつぶした？）とか、 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

Mrs. Glidden

Glidden夫人？とDensmore家？との係争 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

家の名誉のために？ - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

Mrs. Betsey Call Soule

Samuel Willard Soule, born in Pompey, N. Y., Jan. 25, 1830, married Betsey Call Pelton, daughter of Amos Pelton, the ceremony performed by Rev. Moses Kidder, a minister of the Christian Church, Jan. 21, 1867, in Woodstock, Vermont. She was born in that town July 2, 1844. Mr. Soule died of cancer in Brooklyn, N. Y., July 25, 1875.

In the summer of 1867 C. Latham Sholes, the local Collector of Customs, with Carlos Glidden, conceived the idea of formulating a machine in which types could be used for writing, and Mrs. Soule, still living and in possession of a fruitful memory, recalls the appearance of the first working model produced. It resembled an old-fashioned melodeon but the keys were marked with letters and numerals, and when the proprietors failed of accomplishing some important result they appealed to Samuel Soule to assist them. He was the man who first suggested the cylindrical arrangement of the types, the movement of the carriage, the spacer, the inked-ribbon and its unrolling from one spool and simultaneously winding upon another.

Samuel Willard Soule - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

A reason why S&G typebars so Clash and JAM.

still writing | 13:37 |

Why so wabbling was the S&G? Because the S&G didn't have opened-eye-shaped connecting points on the key-levers with the wire pulling up to the type-bar.. One of the reasons..

DR wrote that the typebars of S&G clash and JAM , even if of the up-strikes made in the 1880s do not jam almost.

The professor is comparing typewriters of the 1880s with the Sholes hand-made prototypes dating prior to 1872 or so! Sure, the 1880s typebars, improved mechanically, did not jam. I'll buy that. But they DID jam in the Sholes prototypes. S&Gs, too (although I'm sure it was worse in the prototypes).

From my experience with Sholes & Gliddens (I have owned four of them over the years), the type bars were indeed likely to clash and jam. Of course, when I had these in my hands, they were more than 100 years old, so I can't say how they would have behaved when new. However I can confidently say that machines of the 1880s (like the Rem 2) were much better and far less likely to jam. I wouldn't say they "never" jammed, though.

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Why so different? S&G vs. the 1880s

One of the reasons might be the difference of the connecting point with the wire on the top of the key-levers each.

If the connecting point is on the orbital plane of the typebars each, that is the best position to place.

The placement was shown by Sholes on the patent, application year: 1881.

This pattern appears in the patent of Sholes-1881application , Pat. US558428 Fig.2 or Fig. 3.

• Christopher Latham Sholes (1819-1890)

キーレヴァー上のタイプバー駆動ワイヤーとの接続点配置の変遷史 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

If having these patterns,then:

• The connecting point on the key-lever is on the orbital plane of the type-bar each.
• This is the pattern that the side-way-effect of pulling force to type-bars may be minimized or almost nothing.

When were the connecting points formed ellipse shape, of the up-strikes? - The actuality on - QWERTY history

But in the S&G days, the connecting point was not cared much to put on concerning with the orbital plane of the typebar movement. Maybe, Jenne or Clough didn't matter enough, in the begining at least.

The patentUS470874 drawing by Glidden preserve the placement of the connecting point on the S&G , and we living in the 21th do know. The repeated pattern by four key-levers each..

U. S. Patent No.470874は S&Gの開発に係わるものというよりは それのキーボードへのオルタナティヴの提案。 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

キーレヴァー上のタイプバー駆動ワイヤーとの接続点配置の変遷史 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

When were the connecting points formed ellipse shape, of the up-strikes? - The actuality on - QWERTY history

We may confirm the pattern by watching the picture of the S&G in the ScienceWorks, Melbourne.

ScienceWorks, Melbourne

oz.Typewriter: Thinking of you in America: The Smithsonian S & G Typewriter

ありゃりゃ　ワイヤー接続点が キーレヴァー4本ごとに千鳥配置だ。 すると、目の形に並んだのは　いつか？ - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

キーレヴァー上のタイプバー駆動ワイヤーとの接続点配置の変遷史 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

When were the connecting points formed ellipse shape, of the up-strikes? - The actuality on - QWERTY history

When were the connecting points formed ellipse shape, of the up-strikes?

sent to TG | 11:13 |

When were the connecting points formed a ellipse shape or an opened eye shape, of the up-strike machines?

• On the S&G, in the half way to Remington No.2, before 1878 ?
• On the Remington No.2 and at 1878 ?
• On the Caligraph?
• On the Remington Standard No.2 ?
• Or on the others..

We are familiar with the round cage shape of the linkages between the key-levers and the type-bars of the up-strike typewriter.

Patent US360529 - JOHNS - Google Patents

Like:

• Remington Standard No.2

  Remington Standard 2 のロゴ？ キーレヴァーとタイプバーの接続のクロス・非クロス？ - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

• Caligraph No. 2

  Typewriter Museum

  http://www.schrijfmachine.be/caligraph2.htm
• REMINGTON STANDARD No 7 TYPEWRITER, 1896

  The Museum of Technology, the Great War and WWII”

This pattern appears in the patent of Sholes-1881application , Pat. US558428 Fig.2 or Fig. 3.

• Christopher Latham Sholes (1819-1890)

キーレヴァー上のタイプバー駆動ワイヤーとの接続点配置の変遷史 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

If having these patterns,then:

• The connecting point on the key-lever is on the orbital plane of the type-bar each.
• This is the pattern that the side-effect of pulling force to type-bars may be minimized or almost nothing.

But in the early S&G days or so, the layout of the the points connecting with the wires to the typebars each might not make the ellipse shape but the repeated pattern by four key-levers each.

• This should make type-bars wobble worse.

U. S. Patent No.470874は S&Gの開発に係わるものというよりは それのキーボードへのオルタナティヴの提案。 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

ScienceWorks, Melbourne

oz.Typewriter: Thinking of you in America: The Smithsonian S & G Typewriter

ありゃりゃ　ワイヤー接続点が キーレヴァー4本ごとに千鳥配置だ。 すると、目の形に並んだのは　いつか？ - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

キーレヴァー上のタイプバー駆動ワイヤーとの接続点配置の変遷史 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

I wanna know.

I posted it to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TYPEWRITERS/message/56792 .

When were the connecting points formed ellipse shape, of the up-stri

sent to TG | 15:49 |

When were the connecting points formed a ellipse shape or an opened-eye-shape,

of the up-strike machines?

On the S&G, in the half way to Remington No.2, before 1878 ?

On the Remington No.2 and at 1878 ?

On the Caligraph?

On the Remington Standard No.2 ?

Or on the others..

We are familiar with the round cage shape of the linkages between the key-levers

and the type-bars of the up-strike typewriter.

http://www.google.com/patents/US360529?printsec=drawing#v=onepage&q&f=false

Like Remington Standard No.2

http://www.typewritermuseum.org/collection/kbrd_writers/_ill/rem22.jpg

http://www.typewritermuseum.org/collection/index.php3?machine=rem2&cat=ku#

This pattern appears in the patent of Sholes-1881applied, Pat. US558428 of Fig.2 or Fig. 3.

: Christopher Latham Sholes (1819-1890)

http://www.google.com/patents/US558428?printsec=drawing#v=onepage&q&f=false

If having these patterns,then:

The connecing point on the key-lever is on the orbital plane of the type-bar

each.

This is the pattern that the side-way-effect of pulling force to type-bars may

be minimized or almost nothing.

But in the early S&G days or so, the layout of the the points connecting to the

wires from the typebars each might not make the ellipse shape but the repeated

pattern by four key-levers each.

: This should make type-bars wobble worse.

See Pat. US470874 Fig. 6 of the connecting point to the wire.

http://www.google.com/patents?id=6-VvAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PA4#v=onepage&q&f=false

The S&G in ScienceWorks, Melbourne

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PkGO0mPawLY/UASySZSmxwI/AAAAAAAAShc/9AbljkLkFhk/s1600/\

MelbourneFeb2011+012.JPG

http://f.hatena.ne.jp/raycy/20120725135334

I want to know when the connecting points formed the opened-eye-shape, as the

Sholes patent US558428 of Fig.2 or Fig. 3.

Or never ?

~rj

http://qwerty-history.g.hatena.ne.jp/raycy/20120725/1343182439

What Iles ｗｒｉｔｅs. and What Koichi Yasuoka readｓ.

still writing | 20:47 |

This article came from one in Japonese.

Saturday, July 14, 2012

At this stage of affairs, Soule and Glidden retired from the scene, leaving Sholes and Densmore in sole possession of the patent, and whatever harvest it might yield in time coming. -- George Iles: Leading American Inventors, Henry Holt, New York (November 1912).

Although Mr. Samuel Willard Soulé left Milwaukee to New York before 1870, Mr. Carlos Glidden stayed in Milwaukee as I mentioned before.

Mr. Glidden continued improving "Type Writer" and often claimed his contribution to it (cf. Carlos Glidden: "The New Type Writer", Scientific American, Vol.27, No.9 (August 31, 1872), p.132, l.2).

He deceased on March 11, 1877, and his latest contribution was patented as U. S. Patent No.470874 after his death.

posted by Koichi Yasuoka at 10:35 PM

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"left"は　「死去した」「引っ越した」 か？ U. S. Patent No.200351はスペースバー（およびユニヴァーサルバーだか？）に係わる特許のよう - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

Partialy for the service to the Japanese readers of jp.Wikipedia

Elcobbola wrote to en.Wikipedia and wrote as "left the enterprise."

Sholes and Glidden typewriter: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Iles writes as "Glidden retired from the scene."

Melan translated this to Japanene.Wikipedia as just "left". Judging from the continuation , we Japanese can understand "he left from the WORK or the DEVELOPING."

130.54.104.230 (descr: Kyoto University) deleted "and Glidden" from this part

Sholes and Glidden typewriter: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now you English-readers can understand a little why Koichi Yasuoka writes :

• about "left Milwaukee"or"stayed in Milwaukee."
• "He deceased on March 11, 1877,"

Those are for the Japanese readers of jp.Wikipedia.

Did Glidden retired in the middle way of the developing the S&G typewriter? Ya.

Current(1949) says something

What (cf. Carlos Glidden: "The New Type Writer", Scientific American, Vol.27, No.9 (August 31, 1872), p.132, l.2) means.

What U. S. Patent No.470874 means.

This Patent is not for the Sholes and Glidden typewriter. So, it's not the denying evidence to the retirement of Glidden from the scene.

Appendix: What U. S. Patent No.200351 means.

In Japanese article, Koichi Yasuoka picks up this patent for the some evidence.

This patent shows the idea of the space-bar, filed date at Jan?, 1874.

We can see the enbediment of the idea on Scientific American on August 10th, 1872.

So, this is not the evidence what Glidden anticipate to the development of the Sholes and Glidden later on after August, 1872.

"The baring design" concerns to the axis rotation or typebar.

still writing | 05:12 |

Hello , Peter!

You've written

• "the typebar baring"
• "they got out of alignment easily, This was not an accident, but part of the design"
• "the baring design"

Beyond this, the typebar baring for each typebar regularly became loose. The

result is that they got out of alignment easily, This was not an accident, but

part of the design.

The history of non-advertising comments about the Sholes and Glidden at the time

it was used is fairly regular complaints about clashing typebars and the

frequent mal-alignment of the printed letters because of the baring design.

Peter

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I've found someone who wrote in 1889 his favorite of Caligraph because the keys are solid and do not wabble around as Remington's are.

I like the Caligraph best because I am not obliged to be continuously climbing stairs, and the keys are solid and do not wabble around.

Browne’s phonographic monthly and reporters’ ... v. 14 (1889). - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library

The keys might mean the typebars also, I guess.

There might be big difference between the Remington and the Caligraph concerning to the solidness or wabbling of typebars.

The typebar's wabbling is what you said as "the design of typebar baring" or "the design of the baring system" ?

Or your "the baring design" means the conveying system itself that the typeface to the printing point by the lever of the typebar ? So to say, the up-strike mechanism. Or the front-strike also.

Or the rotating axis of the typebar baring?

The key-levers of Remington No.2 looks wodden.

05:38 |

The key-levers of Remington No.2 looks wooden.

No. 2　1878　 - The actuality on - QWERTY history

Here, it looks no Adler's "The writing machine", at the libraries in Japan.

06:34 |

There is a significant body of articles, books, and personal records of

participants (such as Densmore) related to the history of the development of the

keyboard. Much is summarized in Adler's first book (1974), The Writing Machine.

There you will find bibliography that includes this subject.

Peter

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Here, it looks no Adler's "The writing machine", at the libraries in Japan.

ball-bearing typebar joint

13:02 |

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433035151301;view=image;seq=366;q1=wabble;start=1;size=10;page=search;num=108

Our Gardner ball-bearing typebar joint insures, with least resistance, the accurate imprint of the types, in their Proper places, always.

Collision of typebars unavoidable.

still writing | 13:12 |

The Inlander. v.7 (1896/1897). - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library

A COMPARISON.

There are but Two Kinds of Typewriters:

• (1)"The typewheel or Shuttle"(know as "The HAMMOND").
• (2)"The typebar" (which includes all others).

For those unacquainted with the mechanical principles of the "Hammond" typewriter, we present a brief and simple explanationof them in the form of a comparison with the "typebar" machines.

These differences consist,

• first, in the method of presenting the type at the common impression point;
• second, in the manner in which the impression is made.

We present them in tabular form as follows:

Presentation of Type.

Typewheel or Shuttle.	Typebar.
(simplicity)	(multiplicity.)
Working from center	Working from circumference.
Type pivoted at the center.	Type pivoted at the circumference.
One pivot for Ninety types.	Thyrty-five pivots for seventy types.
Wear at centre imperceptible at circumference.	Wear at pivots multiplied tenfold at the centre.

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Hughes to Murray, there is some to use not the ordinal keyboard for literal input.

03:26 |

OSTROGOVICH - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

The typebars for 3&4 on your S&G, neighboring?

16:39 |

Are the typebars for numerals of "3" & "4" on your S&G, neighboring?

(cf. Koichi Yasuoka and Motoko Yasuoka: "On the Prehistory of QWERTY", ZINBUN, No.42 (March 2011), pp.161-174).

On the Prehistory of QWERTY

The Truth of QWERTY

Dickerson(1989) or other sources say that the typebars for numeric are not neighboring but separating typebars for QWERTYUIOP-bank one by one, not to be adjacent typebars for QWERTYUIOP each other.

Richard E. Dickerson: "Did Sholes and Densmore Know What They Were Doing When They Designed Their Keyboard?", ETCetera, No.6 (February 1989), pp.6-9.

The Truth of QWERTY

No. 2　1878　

11:20 |

• W. O. Wyckoff: "Phonographic Institute and School of the Type Writer", The Type-Writer Magazine, Vol.2, No.1 (January 1878), p.18.

http://kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~yasuoka/QWERTY/1878Type-WriterMagazine.djvu?djvuopts&page=11

This illustration shows the new adjustable connecting rod, also the capital and small letters on the No.2 type-bar, and on the keys.　　This adjustable connecting rod is now being put in all machines.

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The man who has experienced "Up-strike, never jam." is "YasuokA", the correct.

07:41 |

Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:23 am http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TYPEWRITERS/message/54403

Joseph O'neill

A very good paper on the history with citations:

http://kanji.zinbun.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~yasuoka/publications/PreQWERTY.html (good for

getting details of the development in between 1868 and 1878)

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The man who wrote the paper placed at PreQWERTY.html with a partner is the Great A. Professor Koichi Yasuoka, who says the typebars of S&G or Remington Type-Writer No.2 or up-strike machines in the 1880s never jam (, unless if he strikes multiple keys simultaniously ).

Thursday, May 14, 2009

Swing down or forward? No. Typewriters in the 1880s with QWERTY keyboard had typebars to swing up to hit the back of paper. They are called upstrike typewriters and their typebars never jam.

The Truth of QWERTY

experience of Associate Professor Koichi Yasuoka

(Rough translation, originally commented in Japanese.)

Posted by Koichi Yasuoka, Jun 13, 2010 at 15:10

The typebars of S&G or Remington Type-Writer No.2 do not jam (, unless if he strikes multiple keys simultaneously ).

Google 翻訳

Which do you believe? : Rehr's recognition. vs. experience of Associate Professor Koichi Yasuoka, ps. Weil's additional conditions and still NO. - The actuality on - QWERTY history

A spectre is haunting Japan ― the spectre of "Upstrike(generalｌy? or in 1880s?) never, S&G and Rem2 NOT jam." - The actuality on - QWERTY history

And who doesn't take it serious problem that the incidents of typebars clashing each other when typing.

And the man who misspelled Peter Weil as Yasuoko. "Yasuoka" is the correct spelling.

Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:52 pm

Peter Weil

So,

Yasuoko's model may be technically accurate for a combination of one-finger slow typing and perfect alignment of both the typbars and the type on the end of each.

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And the man who misspelled Darryl Rehr "asserthion" inserting "h" between "assert" & "ion".

Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:50 pm

"dcrehr" Darryl Rehr

Re: Upstrike Typebars never jam ?

Let's take a look at this. From the posted website:

"experience of Associate Professor Koichi Yasuoka

Typewriters in the 1880s with QWERTY keyboard had typebars to swing up to hit

the back of paper. They are called upstrike typewriters and their typebars never

jam."

This is apparently (it is not stated explicitly) intended to counter the

argument that letters inside the early Sholes machines were rearranged in the

type basket to prevent them from jamming... and when the keys were subsequently

connected, the QWERTY keyboard was the result.

Do you see the problem? The professor is comparing typewriters of the 1880s with

the Sholes hand-made prototypes dating prior to 1872 or so! Sure, the 1880s

typebars, improved mechanically, did not jam. I'll buy that. But they DID jam in

the Sholes prototypes. S&Gs, too (although I'm sure it was worse in the

prototypes). The professor's assertHion

In addition the problem was not only jamming, but CLASHING. .... ....

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The misspell, the power of him.. : )

~rj

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TYPEWRITERS/message/56396

about bigram frequency

15:40 |

http://www.cs.gmu.edu/~sean/

http://www.cs.gmu.edu/~sean/cs499/pmwiki.php/Main/DistributionOfDigraphFrequency