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2010-11-25

Sholes & Glidden Type-writer Questions; and models in Smithsonian

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Sholes & Glidden Type-writer's typebars jam or not ?

Their typebars Do jamdo not jam
Mr. Darryl Rehrhttp://qwerty-history.g.hatena.ne.jp/raycy/20101112/1289582004
Peter Weil pmweil http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TYPEWRITERS/message/47197 
Associate Professor Koichi Yasuoka

Possibility of typebar clashes to re-arrange typebar series.

It is only reasonIt is not the only reason It is not reason.
Donald A. Norman
Darryl Rehr
Associate Professor Peter Weil
Associate Professor Koichi Yasuoka

Sholes & Glidden Type-writer's typebascket layout, Dickerson's or Yasuoka's or the other?

Teir typebascket layout
Dickerson's?
Figure by Richard E. Dickerson for NADIST
Koichi Yasuoka's?

Smithsonian models' relation between key and typebar arrangement

Smithsonian models' relation between key and typebar arrangement
there is relationno relation
Associate Professor Koichi Yasuoka

"Yasuoka's model"

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So,

YasuokoYasuoka's model may be technically accurate for a combination of one-finger slow

typing and perfect alignment of both the typbars and the type on the end of

each.

Peter

Yahoo! Groups

Typing speed, expected or attained.

  • October 1869, 60 words aimed to be."Sixty words per minute are assumed as being attainable on this machine"
    • "Writing by Machinery", Milwaukee Daily Sentinel, Vol.XXVI, No.236 (October 6, 1869), p.1, l.4.
  • In Sholes letter, Sholes says he could type 60 words, and someday somebody would type 100 words.
  • 1873, Porter might gain more and he said 60-80 words for anybody else.
    • "It requires no especial skill in its manipulation, and one may readily become able to write from sixty to eighty words per minute. " GREAT INTER-STATE EXPOSITION OF 1873 http://www26.atwiki.jp/raycy/pages/197.html
  • 1874, panphlet says ... words.

Flavio Mantelli "I have a 1878 Sholes model for US patent #207557 (August 1878) that was made to demonstrate an improvement in the typebars."

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Flavio Mantelli

I have a 1878 Sholes model for US patent #207557 (August 1878) that was made to demonstrate an improvement in the typebars.


This specific model is a two-row keyboard machine with 12 keytops only

Yahoo! Groups

2010-11-19

kick-up, wired, linked

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1867?wired38? keysfor patent and self-use Milwaukee
1868summer-kick-up,with no wire
http://qwerty-history.g.hatena.ne.jp/raycy/20101117/1289969794
how many keysAmerican type writerSoule&Densmore?
Chicago
1869kick-up? or wired?28 keys Soule&Densmore?
Chicago
1870?kick-up? or wired?how many keysAmerican type writerDensmore&Porter?
1872wiredhow many keysTYPE WRITERSholes & Schwallback?
Milwaukee
1873wiredhow many keysSholes & Glidden's type writerRemington & sons? Porter
1874出荷wired

how many keysSholes & Glidden Type-WriterRemington & sons
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2010-11-17

ETCetra No. 45 - Dec. '98

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http://www.aquaporin4.com/etcetera/ETC.45.pdf

http://www.aquaporin4.com/etcetera/ETC.45.pdf

On a visit to the Smithsonian Institution recently, Ron Wild took this photograph of the first typewriter for which Christopher Latham Sholes received a patent. This is the "kickup" model, which James Densmore actually put into limited manufacture in Chicago during the summer of 1868.

The patent for this machine was granted on June 23, 1868, while the patent for Sholes' better known upstrike design was granted July 14, 1868. In actuality, the model of the second patent was developed first, as Richard Current points out in The Typewriter and the Men Who Made It.

Densmore and Sholes believed the kickup model was an improvement on the earlier machine, which used a linkage of wires to connect keys to typebars. The kickup model, with its piano-like keyboard, used simple metal fingers to push each typebar up, making use of the simple upward movement of the key levers.

The patent model shown here has only eleven keys, since it was built only to demonstrate the action of the machine. We can assume that the manufactured models had more keys, perhaps as many as the 44 on later machines. According to Current, Densmore expended $1000 and a lot of nervous sweat in having only 15 of these machines made in Chicago, where they were tested at the telegrapher's school operated by E. Payson Porter. Porter's students quickly pounded the machines into disrepair, providing the weakness of the design, which was then abandoned.

As far as we know, none of the 15 kickup models have survived.

http://www.aquaporin4.com/etcetera/ETC.45.pdf

http://www.aquaporin4.com/etcetera/ETC.45.pdf

In actual dimensions it is 2 feet long, 1-1/4feet wide, and exactly 1 foot high.

Nevertheless-and bear this fact in mind-every basic principle of the present-day typewriter is found in this machine.

ETCetera -- Journal of the Early Typewriter CollectorsAssociation

2010-11-16

Dickerson’s regularity

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Dickerson's regularity ,

Dickerson"Did Sholes and Densmore Know what they were Doing when they Designed their Keyboard?,"(ETCetra No.6 / Feb., 1989)http://sites.google.com/site/etceterarehr1/ETC.06.pdf

  • The lower two rows of the keyboard alternate along the half of the type basket nearest the operator, from left to right,and
  • the upper two keyboard rows alternate in a similar manner around the back rim of the basket.
raycy @ wiki - Dickerson machine .

Dickerson"Did Sholes and Densmore Know what they were Doing when they Designed their Keyboard?,"(ETCetra No.6 / Feb., 1989)http://sites.google.com/site/etceterarehr1/ETC.06.pdf

Dickerson"Did Sholes and Densmore Know what they were Doing when they Designed their Keyboard?,"(ETCetra No.6 / Feb., 1989)

the half of the type basket nearest the operator - 霊犀社2

http://sites.google.com/site/etceterarehr1/ETC.06.pdf


from when? at least on the order thrird bank forth bank, third bank, forth bank , ....

Current(1949) say

to pay minds for vartical orbit

it is starting during desktop machine development.

to privent slice side way force that makes typebar wabbling,

type-basket typebar arrangement

Dickerson

Yasuoka

Any information?

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2010-11-15If the letter pairs (bi-grams) of languages are in random, it dosn't work to rearrange bars&keys

The Zipf's curve that bi-grams have could lead to the less liable to interfere each adjacent typebar with on a type-basket.

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The Zipf's curve on (English) language bi-grams (the letter pairs) in words might lead the team Sholes and Densmore to a success not to be abandoned.

ブラウンコーパスでは、300位から最下位325位まで相当は、頻数ゼロみたいです。あてにはなりませんけれども

一位は頻数143444のer

raycy @ wiki - ブラウン・コーパス順序なし異字digraph頻度
順位	同字抜	順+逆合計
1	er	143444
2	ht	140492
3	eh	124097
4	in	102192
5	it	84886
6	an	84336
7	en	79891
8	no	78666
9	es	77541
10	de	74395
inoue04「どんなに工夫しても、いつかは隣り合わせのキーは連続打鍵される。キー配置の工夫にはあまり意味がない」かどうか、、 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

2010101413014220101014113436

bigramのパレート図を描くと、どうなるだろうか? - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

Tuning the title for a day mainly on its length, 'cause that have the limit.

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The Zipf's curve that bi-grams have could lead to the less liable to interfere each adjacent typebar with on a type-basket.

If the bi-grams (the letter pairs) of languages doesn't have the Zipf's curve but a flat even randomness, then re-arrangement of typebars doesn't have any meaning.

If the bi-grams (the letter pairs) of languages doesn't have the Zipf's curve but a flat even ra

If the bi-grams (the letter pairs) of languages have only some flat even randomness, then it's nonsense changing the neighboring of typebars.

If the letter pairs (bi-grams) of languages have flat randomness, then it's nonsense changing the neighboring of typebars.

If the letter pairs (bi-grams) of languages have randomness, it's nonsense rearranging typebars.

もし文字組頻度が一様ならば、タイプバーの並べ替えはナンセンスだ

If the letter pairs (bi-grams) of languages appear in random, it's nonsense rearranging typebars.

If the letter pairs (bi-grams) of languages are in random, it dosn't work to rearrange bars&keys.

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2010-11-14History had been chaged just on the time by who.

The men who are finding and writing and making the history. The two of facts , one by Alphaqt and the other by Salmanazar. The two of truths.

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The men who are finding and writing and making the history. The two of facts , one by Alphaqt and the other by Salmanazar etc. The two of truths.

Wikipedia, QWERTY References , changed by Alphaqt on 11:47, 6 November 2010

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Before Alphaqt

QWERTY References
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=QWERTY&diff=prev&oldid=395129112#References
After Alphaqt(contribs)
11:47, 6 November 2010
QWERTY References
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=QWERTY&diff=next&oldid=395129112#References

1. ^ a b c d e f Rehr, Darryl, Why QWERTY was Invented, http://home.earthlink.net/~dcrehr/whyqwert.html

2. ^ a b Liebowitz, Stan; Margolis, Stephen E. (1990), "The Fable of the Keys", Journal of Law and Economics 33 (1): 1–26, doi:10.1086/467198 .

3. ^ Casson and Ryan, Open Standards, Open Source Adoption in the Public Sector, and Their Relationship to Microsoft’s Market Dominance

4. ^ Sholes, C. Latham; Carlos Glidden & Samuel W. Soule, "Improvement in Type-writing Machines", US patent 79868, issued July 14, 1868

5. ^ Iles, 323

6. ^ Rehr, Darryl. "Consider QWERTY". http://home.earthlink.net/~dcrehr/whyqwert.html. Retrieved 12 December 2009. "QWERTY's effect, by reducing those annoying clashes, was to speed up typing rather than slow it down."

7. ^ a b Utterback, 5

8. ^ Campbell-Kelly (2004), 25

9. ^ a b David, Paul A. (1985), "Clio and the Economics of QWERTY", American Economic Review (American Economic Association) 75 (2): 332–337, http://jstor.org/stable/1805621 .

10. ^ Kinesis – Ergonomic Benefits of the Contoured Keyboard – Vertical key layout

11. ^ Sholes, Christopher Latham, US patent 207559, issued August 27, 1878

12. ^ Weller, Charles Edward (1918), The early history of the typewriter, La Porte, Indiana: Chase & Shepard, printers, http://www.archive.org/details/earlyhistorytyp00wellgoog

13. ^ See for example the Olivetti Lettera 36, introduced in 1972

14. ^ Diamond, Jared (April 1997), "The Curse of QWERTY", DISCOVER Magazine, http://discovermagazine.com/1997/apr/thecurseofqwerty1099/, retrieved 2009-04-29, "More than 3,000 English words utilize QWERTY's left hand alone, and about 300 the right hand alone."

15. ^ Gould, Stephen Jay (1987) "The Panda's Thumb of Technology." Natural History 96 (1): 14-23; Reprinted in Bully for Brontosaurus. New York: W.W. Norton. 1992, pp. 59-75.

16. ^ Paul A. David, "Understanding the economics of QWERTY: the necessity of history", Economic history and the modern economist, 1986

17. ^ Krzywinski, Martin. "Colemak - Popular Alternative". Carpalx - keyboard layout optimizer. Canada's Michael Smith Genome Sciences Centre. http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?colemak. Retrieved 2010-02-04.

18. ^ a b http://www.gsmarena.com/glossary.php3?term=half-qwerty-keyboard

1. ^ Yasuoka, Koichi, The Truth of QWERTY, http://yasuoka.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html

2. ^ a b Liebowitz, Stan; Margolis, Stephen E. (1990), "The Fable of the Keys", Journal of Law and Economics 33 (1): 1–26, doi:10.1086/467198 .

3. ^ Casson and Ryan, Open Standards, Open Source Adoption in the Public Sector, and Their Relationship to Microsoft’s Market Dominance

4. ^ Sholes, C. Latham; Carlos Glidden & Samuel W. Soule, "Improvement in Type-writing Machines", US patent 79868, issued July 14, 1868

5. ^ Iles, 323

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6. ^ a b Utterback, 5

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7. ^ a b David, Paul A. (1985), "Clio and the Economics of QWERTY", American Economic Review (American Economic Association) 75 (2): 332–337, http://jstor.org/stable/1805621 .

8. ^ Kinesis – Ergonomic Benefits of the Contoured Keyboard – Vertical key layout

9. ^ Sholes, Christopher Latham, US patent 207559, issued August 27, 1878

10. ^ Weller, Charles Edward (1918), The early history of the typewriter, La Porte, Indiana: Chase & Shepard, printers, http://www.archive.org/details/earlyhistorytyp00wellgoog

11. ^ See for example the Olivetti Lettera 36, introduced in 1972

12. ^ Diamond, Jared (April 1997), "The Curse of QWERTY", DISCOVER Magazine, http://discovermagazine.com/1997/apr/thecurseofqwerty1099/, retrieved 2009-04-29, "More than 3,000 English words utilize QWERTY's left hand alone, and about 300 the right hand alone."

13. ^ Gould, Stephen Jay (1987) "The Panda's Thumb of Technology." Natural History 96 (1): 14-23; Reprinted in Bully for Brontosaurus. New York: W.W. Norton. 1992, pp. 59-75.

14. ^ Paul A. David, "Understanding the economics of QWERTY: the necessity of history", Economic history and the modern economist, 1986

15. ^ Krzywinski, Martin. "Colemak - Popular Alternative". Carpalx - keyboard layout optimizer. Canada's Michael Smith Genome Sciences Centre. http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?colemak. Retrieved 2010-02-04.

16. ^ a b http://www.gsmarena.com/glossary.php3?term=half-qwerty-keyboard

"Although it is not all that rare (probably a couple hundred or so survive), "

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Sholes & Glidden Type Writer, 1874

Although it is not all that rare (probably a couple hundred or so survive), it is desirable, with values from $1000 (for a black model) to $5000 for an ornately-decorated model on a treadle stand.

Sholes & Glidden

two hundred of them?

2010-11-13

About "Rehr's revision" : that is "Sholes needed to do was separate the letter pairs by at least one type bar.(1997)" "(almost just) Only ADJACENT TYPEBARs are the matter"

09:56 | はてなブックマーク - About "Rehr's revision" : that is "Sholes needed to do was separate the letter pairs by at least one type bar.(1997)" "(almost just) Only ADJACENT TYPEBARs are the matter" - The actuality on

I once wrote as:

I want to name your revision in "OWERTY Revisited(1997)" as "Rehr's revision".


Darryl Rehr's revision"The total frequency of adjacent typebar pair's bi- grams on a whole type-basket are aimed to be minimum or small.(1997)"

I slightly changed the mentioning of expression.

You, Darryl Rehr wrote as,like "(almost just) Only ADJACENT TYPEBARs are the matter", in 1997.

Rehr's revision:"Sholes needed to do was separate the letter pairs by at least one type bar.(1997)"

The total frequency of adjacent typebar pair's bi-grams on a whole type-basket are aimed to be minimum or small.(in2007or 2008or2009or so.)

I explained this in Japanese on:

隣接タイプバー間での接触干渉が特に起こりやすいことを、ディッカーソン(1989)のあとで解説している記事がある、、QWERTY REVISITED on ETCetra No.38 1997 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

The contact depression angle difference between the adjacent and by one typebar.

Japanese explession only prepared.

20101112225719

隣接タイプバー間での接触干渉が特に起こりやすいことを、ディッカーソン(1989)のあとで解説している記事がある、、QWERTY REVISITED on ETCetra No.38 1997 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY
Rehr's revision:"Sholes needed to do was separate the letter pairs by at least one type bar.(1997)" - The actuality on - QWERTY history

I expressed recently as:

"The total frequency of adjacent typebar pair's bi-grams on a whole type-basket are aimed to be minimum or small.(in2007or 2008or2009or so.)"


This expression needs some assumption:

  • Only adjacent typebars are the matter , from the typebar interferings point of view .

By this expression, I could count the total frequency of bi-grams of each whole typebaskets, historicaly.

I have used Brown Corpsecorpus as bi-gram frequency reference.


The decreasing of the liability to get interfered by adjacent typebar pairs changing

eather they thought how


the actuality shows the decreasing of the liability to get interfered by adjacent typebar pairs changing

>>

隣接2タイプバー組の連続動作機会頻度(「ディッカーソンの規律」を適用したBCDP評価)

The decreasing of the liability to get interfered by adjacent typebar pairs changing - The actuality on - QWERTY history

Sincerely yours,

raycy

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On English Wikipedia, what's going on? Historical Channeler Darryl Rehr vs. Asossiate Professor Koichi Yasuoka? Who is Alphaqt?

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'''QWERTY''' ({{pron-en|ˈkwɜrti}}) is the most used modern-day keyboard layout?. The QWERTY design is based on a layout created by Christopher Latham Sholes? in 1873 for the Sholes and Glidden typewriter? and sold to E. Remington and Sons|Remington? in the same year, when it first appeared in typewriter?s. It was designed to minimize typebar? clashes.<ref name="why" >{{citation

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'''QWERTY''' ({{pron-en|ˈkwɜrti}}) is the most used modern-day keyboard layout?. The QWERTY design is based on a layout created by Christopher Latham Sholes? in 1873 for the Sholes and Glidden typewriter? and sold to E. Remington and Sons|Remington? in the same year, when it first appeared in typewriter?s. Contrary to two common misconceptions - the QWERTY letter arrangement was not derived to slow down typists nor to avoid jamming.<ref name="truth" >{{citation

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Sholes struggled for the next six years to perfect his invention, making many trial-and-error rearrangements of the original machine's alphabetical key arrangement. His study of bigram frequency|letter-pair frequency? by educator Amos Densmore, brother of the financial backer, James Densmore? is believed to have influenced the arrangement of letters.<ref name="utterback5" >Utterback, 5</ref>

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The QWERTY layout became popular with the success of the Remington No. 2 of 1878, the first typewriter to include both upper and lower case letters, via a shift key?.


QWERTY: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

QWERTY From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia User:Alphaqt"nor to avoid jamming"?

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Contrary to two common misconceptions - the QWERTY letter arrangement was not derived to slow down typists nor to avoid jamming.[1]


[1] Yasuoka, Koichi, The Truth of QWERTY

QWERTY - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"nor to avoid jamming"?


Swing down or forward? No. Typewriters in the 1880s with QWERTY keyboard had typebars to swing up to hit the back of paper. They are called upstrike typewriters and their typebars never jam. Further­more, in English, the most frequently-used letter sequence is "th". On QWERTY keyboard, you see T and H are adjacently placed. The second is "er" + "re", also placed in neighborhood of one another.

The Truth of QWERTY

He should point out at first, is "The design solution was to relocate the keys"

letters often typed immediately after one another, such as "i" and "e," would be placed on opposite sides of the machine.

It could be, as alphabet frequency

  • In American Morse code, short codes are assigned on top letter bank of the keyboard of QWERTYUIOP.
    • E is ▄゚¯,  T is ▄▄゚¯, I is ▄゚▄゚¯, O is ▄゚¯▄゚¯
    • and short codes might be thought frequent by Vail: one of the inventors of the morse code.

but how come sequence on type-basket wasn't discussed about?



Talking about origin?

  • Origin about 1867-1874
  • upstrike typewriters' typebars never jam?

Talking about "If the typist worked too quickly, the metal typebars would collide and jam the mechanism."?

If the typist worked too quickly, the metal typebars would collide and jam the mechanism.

Talking about typebar troubles? We should discuss about the series of typebars on type-basket.
  • On type-basket T and H are on almost oposite side.
  • Among top ten letter pairs, only one of ten type-bar pairs make angle of less than 45degree.The pair of E and R is.

Professor Koichi Yasuoka on BBC

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He might have talked some words with Nick..

I understand that the said academic, whom I believe was interviewed by Stephen Fry on 'Fry's English Delight' (BBC Radio 4) which I also talked in also

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Probably a case of an academic reading to much into a comparatively simple question with lots of empirical evidence, if he cared to look at an old typewriter?

Nick

Yahoo! Groups

I think he misunderstood of yourAPKY*1's something. You APKY've been acquainted with those alternation of "l" for "1" used to be in those days with, for sure. And I suppose you have tested typing of some antiques of those.

But I wonder if

How come not going talk searching in TYPEWRITERS@yahoogroups.com? - The actuality on - QWERTY history

# Fry's English Delight

# Series 3

# The Trial of Qwerty

Also in the programme

11 August 2010 Last updated at 08:41 GMT

Why do we all use Qwerty keyboards?

By Nick Baker Producer, BBC Radio 4


'Creative obstruction'


But did Sholes really doctor the configuration of letters to slow the typist? Would an inventor really hobble his own brainchild?


If so, argues Fry, then the Qwerty keyboard and its inventor could be accused of "conspiracy to pervert the course of language and to limit the speed of creativity and language input, endangering billions with repetitive strain injury".


Qwerty can be seen, he argues, as "a deliberate spanner in the works of language, metaphorically and technologically".


Qwerty is "not ergonomic", agrees Professor Koichi Yasuoka of Kyoto University, a world expert on the development of the keyboard.


But he sees evidence of the practicality of Qwerty in a world of mechanical typewriters. "T and H is the most frequently used letter pair in English," he explains. "In fact in Sholes's typewriter, the typebar of T and H are located on opposite sides."


The separation of these letters was made in the interests of speed, he believes. Users could type T-H without crashing keys, whereas the proximity of E and R, he argues, is inefficient. In other words there is no evidence of deliberate slowing down.


"Ergonomics were not a characteristic of mid-19th Century design," he concludes.


Continue reading the main story

“Start Quote

A good stenographer will beat a Qwerty keyboard hands down”

End Quote Mary Sorene Stenographer

BBC News - Why do we all use Qwerty keyboards?

Someone believing that he knows the right layout

like modern keyboard user

From the modern keyboard layout user's point of view, the QWERTY looks slow or fatigus.

トラックバック - http://qwerty-history.g.hatena.ne.jp/raycy/20101113

2010-11-12

Mr. Darryl Rehr answered to my questions.

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目次

DARRYL REHR

Director,Producer, Writer of Television Documentaries

Collector of:Typewriters-------Ribbon Tins, Calculators

  • From 1987-1999, I edited and published ETCetera, journal of the Early Typewriter Collectors Association, which I helped found.
  • At the beginning of 1996, I created "The QWERTY Connection," my first Web page. A whole set of related pages follow.
  • My book "ANTIQUE TYPEWRITERS AND OFFICE COLLECTIBLES" came out in August, 1997. Punch the link to take a look.
Meet the Author

      Tue Jan 4, 2011
      From my experience with Sholes & Gliddens (I have owned four of them over the years), Yahoo! Groups

Mr. Darryl Rehr answered to my several questions on some e-mail.

mailNo.date & localtimeQ&Awhomessages
mail1QWed, 10 Nov 2010 12:51:34 +0900Q1raycyIn QWERTY Revisited( on ETCetra No.38 / March, 1997/3 ), there are ,
If you've ever had the opportunity to fiddle with a Sholes & Glidden, you may have a feel for how this works. Type keys for two adjacent type bars quickly in succession and they'll clash and jam all day.
Who wrote this article, do you know?
mail1AWed, 10 Nov 2010 05:55:55 -0800A1 RehrI wrote it.
mail1Q Q2raycyHow are they, adjacent type bars? Are they apt to clash and jam?
mail1A A2Rehr "Adjacent type bars" means two type bars that are next to each other inside the machine.
They DO clash and jam.
mail1Q Q3raycyAssociated Proffessor Professor Koichi Yasuoka says they never jam.
Koichi Yasuoka, The Truth of QWERTY

"They are called upstrike typewriters and their typebars never jam."
http://yasuoka.blogspot.com/2009/05/with-older-manual-typewriters-each.html
How do you think?
mail1A A3Rehr Professor Yasuoka is wrong.
mail2Q2010年 11月 12日 01:02:39 +0900Q4raycyYou might say Professor Yasuoka's experience or opinion:"The up-strike machine's typebars never jam." is wrong.
And You might say up-strike typewriters also apt to got jam in adjacent typebars move in rapid sequence?

Are they right?
Are those on your experience?
mail2AThu, 11 Nov 2010 08:19:15 -0800A4Rehr On later models of upstrike typewriters, type bars jam less often than on the Sholes and Glidden. But on the Sholes and Glidden, they jammed frequently.
mail2Q Q5raycy Is it OK, I open on Web your e-mail message, four sentences of those : from A1 to A3?
May I open on Web those your message ?
mail2A A5 -
mail3Q2010年 11月 12日 19:18:43 +0900Q5-2raycyMay I open your answer commens on the Web?
Your answer comments: see Q&A1-4.
mail3AFri, 12 Nov 2010 05:32:01 -0800A5-2Rehr Yes.

Rehr's revision:"Sholes needed to do was separate the letter pairs by at least one type bar.(1997)"

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Darryl Rehr's revision (or reform)

Darryl Rehr"It appears that all Sholes needed to do was separate the letter pairs by at least one type bar. As long as they were not adjacent, they didn't clash.

So, it appears all we need to do is revise our theory slightly, and it need no longer be disscarded." QWERTY REVISITED on ETCetra No.38 / March, 1997/3

I want to name "Rehr's revision", that is "Sholes needed to do was separate the letter pairs by at least one type bar."


I said:

The total frequency of adjacent typebar pair's bi-grams on a whole type-basket are aimed to be minimum or small.(in2007or 2008or2009or so.)

I explained this in Japanese on:

隣接タイプバー間での接触干渉が特に起こりやすいことを、ディッカーソン(1989)のあとで解説している記事がある、、QWERTY REVISITED on ETCetra No.38 1997 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY

The contact depression angle difference between the adjacent and by one typebar.

Japanese explession only prepared.

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隣接タイプバー間での接触干渉が特に起こりやすいことを、ディッカーソン(1989)のあとで解説している記事がある、、QWERTY REVISITED on ETCetra No.38 1997 - 葉仮名raycy - KliologY
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