CCTV of girl, 16, being punched to the ground in random attack | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2235811/CCTV-girl-16-punched-ground-random-attack.html)

Charming. :rolleyes:
If you feel like some happier CCTV footage... :)
Shocking! - YouTube

I wonder what K & Cs take on this will be

A one where there does not seem to be any rules,where there is not a step one does not go beyond.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
:(

there will have been someone else across the road, or down the street filming it on a mobile phone
in the past it would have been uploaded to farcebook or yootube, now that those sites have tightened up it will be distributed more discretely.
But the underlying reason is the same: to give the attacker kudos and bragging rights over the other gang members

the fact that the attacker is black is irrelevant - white and asians do this as well. Its part of modern youth / gang culture

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
Without the important bit that comes first; 'If it harm none...'

Milo

"the fact that the attacker is black is irrelevant - white and asians do this as well. Its part of modern youth / gang culture"

The same culture was around in the 70's and 80's with Punks and Mods etc.

Just now it seems more prevalent because of the availability of phones with cameras etc. Beforehand the rest of the gang would have been across the street watching.

Did they beat up random female strangers though, or just each other?

Worrals

With punks, I think anything went.

OK, I agree that it might not have been as blatant as this
but Kings Road etc in London was not exactly the place
to hang around on.

What some of the Police are saying about it.

Metropolitan Police: Violent assault (Video) - News - PoliceSpecials.com Forum (http://www.policespecials.com/forum/index.php?/topic/133514-metropolitan-police-violent-assault-video/)

I also hope he gets what he deserves. How the hell can anybody brag about such a low act? :ugh:

Fair enough. We never had much of a punk scene in Brisbane; they all got flattened by the wharfies. :E
How the hell can anybody brag about such a low act? :ugh:Some people are just [insert expletive of choice]. The idea that everyone's nice on the inside is very trendy at the moment, but it's simply not true. Most people are nice on the inside, but not all.

Worral
You had Punks here in Aus, and mods but not in the numbers
of the UK and tended to stay around certain areas.

On the other hand, Melbourne had quote a few gangs of Sharpies
- Beauy (Beaumaris) boys, Boronia boys etc etc, all of whom had fights.
The western Suburbs of Melbourne didn't escape either !!!

.

It may be nothing to do with the girl directly. She may be the girlfriend of someone he has a grudge against, like the girl killed in Reading a few years ago

Or was a Goth or some other sub-culture.
Murder of Sophie Lancaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sophie_Lancaster)

or misidentity
Murder of Rhys Jones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Rhys_Jones)

Or just becauseit was a requirement of his gang.

No doubt he's working his way up to chucking grenades at policemen.

Sorry 500N, it was a Brisbane 'we'. :O
Or just because it was a requirement of his gang.
True. Must be real tough bastards if beating up a sixteen year old girl is the rite of entry.

If you thought that was bad...

Florida school bus shooting leaves 13-year-old girl dead | World | News | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/20/school-girl-dead-after-being-shot-on-bus-as-sister-classmates-watched/)

and who can you trust...?

‘Family values’ lawyer accused of taking young teen to Canada for sex | World | News | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/20/u-s-family-values-lawyer-accused-of-taking-young-teen-to-canada-for-sex/)

..and that's just today's crop.

What can you do?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYqnoULgD30

"Sorry 500N, it was a Brisbane 'we'. :O"


Worrals

You might not have had much of a punk scene in Brisbane
but you do have "the valley" and Ipswich :O

Until recently where they seem to have cleaned it up,
I reckon "the valley" was worse than St Kilda in Melbourne
(St Kilda used to be bad but was cleaned up a long time ago).


"Must be real tough bastards if beating up a
sixteen year old girl is the rite of entry."

+ 1 :ok:

That's a lovely video WITW

500, Yeah Valley was bad! In my 'going out' days, we'were all too scared to go to Bris. Coolangatta is and always has been bad, but Surfers Paradise is now is terribly bad apparently? (I tend to be heading to the beach when the last of them are pouring themselves home nowadays)

IMO The Valley is far more dangerous now than it ever was in the eighties and nineties. There are far too many amphetamined-up teenagers washing down pills with copious amounts of spirits and then wanting to fight everyone and everything up to and including brick walls, trucks and groups of fully armed coppers. :ugh:

In the ol' days most of the violence in The Valley was crime related, and if you weren't a crim it didn't affect you. Sure people turned up dead, but there was a fair chance they'd been selling gear or dudding the wrong people on repayments. :suspect:

These days just walking around is enough to get you glassed, knifed or flattened. It's not only in The Valley or Surfers Paradise either, as this poor girl in the UK has just found out. :ooh:

We were coming home from an amateur production of 'The Importance of being Earnest' in New Farm last Sat. night....here...

Nash Theatre - Brisbane Based Community Theatre (http://www.nashtheatre.com/)

Damn good it was!!, but had to drive back to the Coast going through Fortitude Valley, it was incredibly busy!

I'd seen a few bands at the 'Roxy' I think it was...on Brunswick street?

Sunnybank is more China town than Chinatown nowadays ins't it WITW?

Worral

Jesus, didn't realise it was still that bad but understand your assessment.

In the past it was dope, now every man and his dog seems to have some
drug / chemical cocktail in their system.

We have the same problem here in the nightclub district, random people
set upon, king hit etc etc.

" I wonder what K & Cs take onwill be this "

Since you ask, a rather inane question to be honest. You seem, like many, to be confused as to the fact that being left wing and liberal minded equates to being "soft".

A random, brutal and cowardly attack....simple as that.

Not forgetting the fact we have no idea as to the attackers mental state and / or any drug taking that may well be contributing factors.

Along with every other rational and caring person, I hope the young lady makes a full recovery and is helped to overcome the trauma she must have suffered.

Not forgetting the fact we have no idea as to the attackers mental state and / or any drug taking that may well be contributing factors

I sincerely hope we are not confusing "contributary" for "mitigating". You are right it was cowardly on 2 fronts..

1. Attacking a female

2. Didn't even have the balls to look her in the eye, had to sneak up behind her.. real big proper tough guy.. :mad:

If he's a British citizen then he wants locking up for a couple of decades, if he's an immigrant, then drive him to Dover and chuck him in the Channel.

Unfortunately, 'tis the same the whole World over:

LiveLeak.com - Teen knocks out a teacher on the street

Strange that the guy in the original report waited until he was in an area covered by CCTV before striking.
(or was that the objective?)

UK is full of CCTV cameras, in London you probably can hardly walk without being in range of one.

My son was attacked in a similar way, from behind, when he was a teenager. All he did wrong was walk along the street holding hands with his long-term girlfriend. The attacker was in his twenties and twice his size but still ran up behind to attack. My son's nose was so badly broken and cut that the septum was visible through the flesh.

In court the scum who did it claimed it was a case of mistaken identity (i.e. he thought he was hitting someone else). As if that was any excuse. He received only a mere £200 fine. Outside the court he said he would do it again if given the chance.

Worst thing about it was that the police didn't turn up until 36 hours later and only after I threatened to make a formal complaint about their inaction after two 999 calls had been made.

AA,

" I sincerely hope we are not confusing "contributary" for "mitigating" .

No, unless that is, it transpires the attacker is suffering from serious and genuine mental health problems in which case both terms would be applicable.

And some wonder why I would choose to carry my .45 semi. Here, around Detroit, I think it's crazy not to carry.

Ben there

For what I hear from my friends your side of the pond make the most of it,before the dark one bans it!

He can ban it, maybe, but he's never going to get mine, with my thousands of rounds.

Good man yerself!! :ok:

And some wonder why I would choose to carry my .45 semi. Here, around Detroit, I think it's crazy not to carry.

Fair enough, but just how much help would it have been in this situation.
You would still be unconscious and maybe the perp would have your gun.

Fair enough, but just how much help would it have been in this situation.
You would still be unconscious and maybe the perp would have your gun.

It's called situational awareness. No matter where you are or what you are doing, pay attention on what is going on around you. That has kept me out of trouble in my travels around the world, including a couple of times in London.

To con-pilot's point,

Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

The best fight is the one never fought!

GF

BBC News - Man held over punch attack on 16-year-old in Plaistow (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20441939)

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I don't care about their age, i don't care about their motivation. I don't accept any explanations of remorse


I want them judicially killed as quickly and a cheaply ( furnace so their worthless lives can end as a few kW OF WORTHWHILE HEAT ) as possible

I'm shocked, SHOCKED that this kind of violent attack can occur in peaceful Britain where no one wants for government cradle-to-grave welfare.

GF

And some wonder why I would choose to carry my .45 semi. Here, around Detroit, I think it's crazy not to carry.

In this particular attack all the carriage of said metal would have done is to cause even more bruising to the victim.

No, unless that is, it transpires the attacker is suffering from serious and genuine mental health problems in which case both terms would be applicable.
Or convincingly pretends to be :hmm:

In 1970, the night before I started a military career, I was walking through a park in SW England with some friends at around 10pm. My female companion and I were holding hands. A group of men, a little older than us, passed in the opposite direction and one of them, without warning, punched my companion in the head. She ducked, and only received a passing blow.

I stopped, checked my companion, and challenged the individual. My mates backed me up. I should mention at this stage that I am not physically imposing, but had been boxing as an amateur for a few years. It was one on one, and I decked the f*cker with one punch. He didn't get up. I shouldn't really be pleased, but I can still see it all again in my mind, in detail, over forty years later - so it's not a new phenomomen. I can also recall that my female companion was impressed, but those details are a little more hazy ... I'll think of her name in a minute :}

I wonder if more draconian penalties would have an effect - like public flogging. Not a quiet caning in a Singapore prison yard, but cat o'nine tails in public and something 4 dozen repeated every other Saturday night for month or two.

Harsh, but to get over the concept of 'pour encourager les autres'.

But then, I'm a huggy fluffy liberal.

When did the IoM get rid of the birch?

He didn't get up. I shouldn't really be pleased
Yes, you should! Let's hope that, as a result, the piece of excrement reassessed his behaviour patterns.

I saw this video footage on CNN's web site this morning.
Upon seeing it my first thought was: no, this can't be realistic it must have been staged. I probably thought this because the reality of the situation is frightening, to say the least.

Having thought about it since I've come to the conclusion that this 16 year old is someone's daughter. And thinking to myself that this could have been my daughter, or anyone's daughter for that matter, the only further conclusion i have arrived at is: if I were to catch this f***ing punk he would really and honestly wish he was never born. He'd beg to be water boarded in contrast to what I'd do to him. Pathetic sc*m bag that he is.

con-pilot wrote:

It's called situational awareness. No matter where you are or what you are doing, pay attention on what is going on around you.

Next time you're driving in your car, con, look around at your fellow drivers and what they are, or aren't doing.The vast majority are surely lacking in situational awareness. And not just in the process of driving a vehicle either.

Galaxy flyer wrote:

To con-pilot's point,

Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

The best fight is the one never fought!

GF

I respectfully disagree with all of the above, GF. Your number one option for personal security is overwhelming retribution if attacked. Coupled with copious amounts of situational awareness. I personally do not believe in de-escalation. If provoked all manners and/or methods of retribution will be brought to bear. Overwhelmingly.

The best fight is the one where your opponent begs to be left alone.

...I fully agree rgb, and it about time the bloody world wakes up
that the sole purpose of diplomacy is merely to prolong a crisis.

I don't have to look. I already know what everybody in their cars arond me are doing. They have cell phones in their ears.

Back to the original point.

Now that the attacker has been arrested and given explanations like " I felt intimidated by her / she didn't have a friendly face/I thought she was looking down on me ", what do people think his sentence will be and what do they think it ought to be ?

This will be influenced to some extent by previous convictions ( I think that's pretty much 100% certain) but I think he'll get 3-6 months prison and I think he ought to get three years.

Thug Michael Ayoade, 36, admits punching Tasneem Kabir, 16, unconscious in shocking random street attack | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237501/Thug-Michael-Ayoade-36-admits-punching-Tasneem-Kabir-16-unconscious-shocking-random-street-attack.html)
'He said he admitted to doing it, it was a misunderstanding on his part. He had had too much to drink and smoke that day.'
'He said he was going about his business and was intimidated by her look, she looked like she wanted a fight. She looked about 19 or 20. He did not approve of the way she looked so he went back and punched her....He said "Nah, that hurt, I can’t go further in my day taking an insult from a little person like that".'

'He thought to himself “No, no I am not taking this”,' the lawyer said.

Marianna Christou, defending, said that Ayoade had come to the UK from Nigeria when he was just three years old, and had to fend from himself from young age. He was said to have no contact with his family.

Ms Christou said: 'He has drunk since he was 16 and smokes up to 10 joints a day which in my submission is excessive and perhaps this causes some degree of paranoia and low self esteem.'

Poor guy; I can understand how much he hurts in a strange land with all hands against him :rolleyes:

" I wonder what K & Cs take onwill be this "

Since you ask, a rather inane question to be honest. You seem, like many, to be confused as to the fact that being left wing and liberal minded equates to being "soft".

A random, brutal and cowardly attack....simple as that.

Not forgetting the fact we have no idea as to the attackers mental state and / or any drug taking that may well be contributing factors.

Along with every other rational and caring person, I hope the young lady makes a full recovery and is helped to overcome the trauma she must have suffered. But you've neatly avoided the implicit question, K & C. What would you do about it? Give him counselling, lock him up in a five star suite? Are you suggesting that his drug taking and drinking is somehow an excuse for A random, brutal and cowardly attack?

Or would you agree with 'throw him in the channel' or 'I want them judicially killed as quickly and as cheaply as possible' or 'if I were to catch this f***ing punk he would really and honestly wish he was never born'.?

ahh Tableview.. i see you've primed the situation for a lefty meltdown..

the perp is in fact an arrogant, agressive c**t, who uses drugs and it would seem has a drink problem..

but oh no, he's an immigrant, an 'ethnic minority' one at that..

possible solutions to prevent a lefty melt down..

1. blame the coalition cuts
2. blame the police
3. blame the victim
4. blame thatcher
5. run away

the fact that he is an arrogant, agressive, drug using alchoholic c**t that poses a threat to the safety of society and should be ejected from the country will not be considered.

"Ayoade later told police that the petite 16-year-old 'didn't have a friendly face', that he was 'intimidated by her' and that she 'made me feel like a pauper with her facial gestures'.

What's in a name

Tasneem Kabir

Your name of Tasneem makes you quick-minded, versatile, and very expressive.
You are adaptable and creative in responding to new situations.
This name has given you an interest in people and a desire for new experiences.


Mr.Ayoade is rightfully claiming that he is being intimidated by young girl.:p

Kabir means "great"

He would sing "ayuda....ayuda" somewhere I know


By the way how much would cost to keep one drunk all day? And how much costs 10 joints a day.

I felt intimidated by her / she didn't have a friendly face/I thought she was looking down on me "Good luck with that :rolleyes:. I suppose the defence has to run with whatever they can...
Is 'low self esteem' actually considered a defence for a random assault or are they playing poker with Happy Families cards?
possible solutions to prevent a lefty melt down..Is that a problem? :confused: If so, why? Genuine question.
Glad they caught him, anyway.