Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:06
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44366786
ホントのところ、狼と香辛料は何に影響されたんだろうな?中世の…イギリス?アイルランド?View same What exactly is Spice and Wolf inspired by? Medieval times or...England? Ireland? |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:10
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44366869
中世ヨーロッパだろ、明らかだ。View same Medieval Europe, it's pretty clear |
Destrado !QFtehReiJw
01/05/11(Wed)03:15
No.
44367006
もしかしてフランスかスペインかもね、断じてイギリスではないView same probably France or Spain, definitely not the UK |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:26
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44367263
>>44367006View same The architecture doesn't look like Spain, and there's no Moor either. It's most likely France. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:31
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44367390
File1294216264.jpg-(103 KB, 1280x720, [TDnF]spice and wolf II 12 END(...).jpg) >>44367263View same I'd say France if I had to guess, but you know, there is a little thing called FANTASY WORLD, where things don't have to be strictly as they are in the real world. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:36
No.
44367553
>>44367390View same I know, but we are deducting what real country Spice&Wolf is based on. Therefore, we have to compare the elements in the anime to the real world's. At first, I wanted to use the character names as clues, but they are quite diverse. Kraft Lawrence suggests England, but Amati is Italian, and Nora Arendt is German/Dutch. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:16
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44367020
3期はいつなんだよ?View same Season 3 when? |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:18
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44367087
>>44367020View same probably never since season 2 was god awful |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:20
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44367146
>>44367087View same Get out and never come back. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:16
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44367044
ルネッサンス初期のヨーロッパView same Early Renaissance Europe Theres not enough people covered in shit to be medieval |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:27
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44367301
ドイツを元にしてるんだと思ってた。日本人はドイツのものに関してはドキドキするんだろ。View same I think it's based on Germany. The Japanese have a throbbing hard on for Germany. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:34
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44367493
File1294216466.jpg-(53 KB, 530x454, spiceandwolf02.jpg) >>44366786View same by closet furries |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:35
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44367516
File1294216526.png-(1.21 MB, 1096x1600, Map.png) >>6327668View same From the descriptions? Eastern/Central Europe. Holo herself is likely from Muscovy. I suspect Lawrence is a Pole. Map of the S&W world. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:37
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44367573
File1294216671.jpg-(147 KB, 1302x854, 22-11-2009-7286.jpg) >>44367516View same >holo who? |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:41
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44367663
>>44367516View same What does the description on the island say? Isn't that England? |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:42
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44367707
>>44367663View same Here be sheep. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:47
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44367820
>>44367663View same No idea. However the island's area looks akin more to Estonia than the UK. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:54
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44367974
>>44367820View same Considering there is still a strong pagan presence that doesn't sound too far off. I would also accept Poland or Hungary, both neighbouring Lithuania which was the last hold out of paganism in Europe. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:50
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44367898
File1294217433.jpg-(685 KB, 980x1427, Jerusalem.jpg) >>44367516View same the map reminds me of Jerusalem |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:51
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44367925
>>44367898View same looks like the monsters from dune on 2 small legs to me |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)04:15
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44368473
>>44367898View same just because Lawrence was hoarding gold in sheep's stomach doesn't mean he's a Jew lol |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:40
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44367640
Clannadはアイルランド語がもとになってるからな、そうなんだろ?View same cause clannad takes place in ireland amirite |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)03:50
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44367891
File1294217423.jpg-(54 KB, 704x396, horowantup.jpg) ロレンスはスウェーデン人でホロは賢き北の狼だよView same Lawrence is a swede and Horo is a wise nordic wolf |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)04:05
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44368236
ドイツだ。街と共に川を鳥瞰するシーンが有ったはずだ、それはケルンだよ。自分が昔読んだ本で見たものに似てる。View same Germany, there was a moment where you could see a bird's-eye view of a town with a river, it was cologne. looked like an old picture from a book i read. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)04:05
No.
44368237
>>44367898View same >>44367898 I could see it, but the way the stories describe the setting its doubtful to be the near east. >>44367974 As this anon points out its likely near Lithuania/the Baltic states. The fact that crusades were occurring still in the novel's time and the church being as strong as it was I wouldn't stray from saying they were in Prussia during its rule by the Teutonic Order. Again all in a fictional twist. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)07:07
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44371068
お前らバカか、それともメリケンなのか?View same Are you retards or amerifags? Its obviously Germany. Occasional Italian trade companies operating in Hansa cities dont change the fact that the story takes place in medieval Germany under rule of Holy Roman Empire. (or fantasy equivalent of such) |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)07:20
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44371084
ポーランドであるべきだ、だってこいつはアニメだもん。View same Must be Poland because it's shit just like this anime. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)07:32
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44371151
このお話は緩やかに中世ヨーロッパを元にしていると言えるだろう。しかしそれは公平に曖昧で、詳細まで立ち入るものではない。それと同時に筆者は中世ヨーロッパについて明確に何かを知っているというわけではない、または彼(?)は意図的にそれを曖昧にしている。この点でこの作品はベルセルクとは違うと言えると思う。それには神道の考えが混ざっている、思うにホロは典型的な神道的「神」なのではないか。View same I'd say it's loosely based on a medieval Europe, but it's fairly vague and doesn't seem to go into any detail. The author either knows nothing about the specifics of medieval Europe, or he (?) is intentionally keeping it vague. I suppose it's not unlike Berserk in that respect. It also mixes in shintoism, consider Horo is a pretty typical shinto god. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)07:33
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44371178
>>44371151View same Holo Shinto god Hell, you went full retarded. What are you, weaboo amerifag or asian having no clue about Europe whatsoever? |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)08:02
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44371261
>>44371178View same What, are you fucking retarded? She's a deified animal that they pray to for a better harvest, who can also take human form. That's pretty much the definition of a shinto god, you clueless fucktard. While she might be based on a rye wolf, most of her traits are derived from shintoism, or stereotypical depictions of shinto gods in anime and manga. It's not exactly surprising, considering the author is Japanese. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)08:15
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44371318
File1294233305.jpg-(5 KB, 158x152, 1292412906774.jpg) >>44371261View same full retard detected |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)08:15
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44371336
>>44371261View same The point is, nature spirits aren't exclusive to Shinto. Plenty of pre-Christian European belief systems included functionally similar gods that inhabited/personified objects or animals in nature. It's a pagan staple. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)08:19
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44371390
>>44371250View same I live in a Hanseatic town, so I know what it is. Also, did any of you dumbasses actually read about the rye wolf? She has almost none of the traits of any of the rye wolf or Roggenwolf myths. She's very obviously a shinto deity. The myth of the rye wolf that they show in the actual show are clearly not supposed to be real, but is based on Horo's actions in the past. Horo, however, is supposed to be real, and the actual traits she have in the show are much more in line with shintoism than the mythological rye wolf. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)08:29
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44371540
>>44371390View same never heard of paganism Really. Must be either amerifag weaboo obsessed with japan and projecting everything in light of his hobby of an asian that just has no clue what hes talking about. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)08:30
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44371572
>>44371540View same Nice to know I'm arguing with an illterate faggot who has to resort to weeaboo insults when his arguments are crushed. What, you think America and Japan is full of Hanseatic towns, now? Also, show me what Pagan spirit fits Horo. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)08:33
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44371619
>>44371390View same You know, characters in Grimm Tales also have not many real traits corresponding with real characters or mythes. Must be influenced by Japanese anime too? Its a novel for fucks sake! The character is made up! I can name you tenths of European fantasy novels with the same setting and kinds of characters. Of course, the novels are writen by japanese, though he projects some of his beliefs and traditions into how he writes - but hes not intending to depict and write a shinto goddess. He is writing about just about what he is state he is writing about - a pagan wolf harvest deity in European setting! |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)08:03
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44371279
劇中の街の景観と今のヨーロッパの景観が似ているという比較をする奴がいるが、その街はドイツにある。View same Someone made comparison shots of towns that resemble those in europe. They were located in germany. But there was no germany at that time. So Prusian empire, baltic states, nordic empires would be more acceptable. Also for the kind of semigod she is, it's more likely to be a germanic nordic thing. We have more of those around. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)08:29
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44371544
>>44371419View same Exactly. It's a wolf that kills people. Horo is a wolf that they worship and sacrifice to, who provides them with a better harvest. She's several centuries old and can turn into a human. Find that in your rye wolf mythology. Seriously, did any of you actually watch the show. The myth is clearly supposed to be a bastardization of the real Horo, whom they no longer believe in. They specifically indicate that the myth is false. So yes, she supposed to be where the rye wolf mythology came from, but she's clearly based on a shinto spirit. Jesus Christ you people are fucking stupid if you can't see that. |
Anonymous
01/05/11(Wed)10:44
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44374177
File1294242284.gif-(1.87 MB, 400x225, 1293570461222.gif) 誰かヨーロッパっぽい設定でカタナが出るアニメについてしゃべってなかったか?View same Did someone say katanas in vaguely medieval European settings |
/* 爆死した聖剣の刀鍛冶は関係ないだろwいいかげんにしろ */
/* ライ麦狼については日本語で検索してもいろいろ出てきそうですね。 */
/* ラノベでも漫画でも筆者の考えとは別に出版社の担当さんが取材する部分は多いので、ヨーロッパの神話の何かを下敷きにしているのはアリアリでしょうね。 */
15 件のコメント:
海外から見れば結構気になるところだろうね
日本人の西洋観はときにあいまいで、ときにデタラメだからしかたのないことなんだろうけど
日本と中国がごっちゃになった東洋観みたいで気持ち悪いのかもな
そういう俺も、日中は明らかに別ものだが、西欧は基本的に根っこは同じだと思ってるけどね
>お前らバカか、それともメリケンなのか?
笑ったw
『狼と香辛料』は大好きな作品なので、取り上げていただいてうれしいです。
もし発言者の国籍が分かれば、さらに興味深かったと思います。それにしても神道にやけに拘る発言者は同一人物なのでしょうか?
ともあれ、3期を切望します。
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4chで国籍を知るのは、2chでお前どこ出身と聞くのと同じぐらい意味がない
ガイドブック「狼と香辛料ノ全テ」によるとモデルは14世紀の北ドイツ近辺が中心だって。
実際のライ麦狼?の話はよく解らんけど、神道云々は筆者が日本人だからそういう自然崇拝の解釈が混ざってくるんじゃないの?
>>2011年1月16日21:58
× 4ch
○ 4chan
なぜなら4chというのは4chanとは別に存在してるからなんだよねー
これはなかなかの大作記事ですね。読み応えありました。最後ワロタw
ファンタジーの設定なので曖昧な部分はあることを了解した上で、それでもやってみる真面目な議論が興味深かったです。
ところで、weeabooってカタカタにするとなんかしっくりこないですね・・
ホロ=トヨウケビメ=稲荷神=荼枳尼天
ってことで舞台はインドってことにしよう
>本当に、どの糞メリケンウィーブーも日本のことに取り憑かれてて、話してることと全く関係の無いアジア人の趣味的観点から全てを見ようとするから困る
これは最高に笑ったよ。だってうんざりするほど本当のことだからね
wikiによれば作者自身が北ドイツと言及していたそうだ。誰かこいつらに教えてやってくれ。
>(※ホロの綴りはHoroまたはHoloだが、外人はHoroのほうがしっくりくるらしい。公式はHolo)
No, the picture of Holo/Horo's sloppy cursive handwriting from the anime actually spelled out "Korbo". Western fans like to joke around with the studio's mistake and call her Korbo.
>もし発言者の国籍が分かれば
残念ながらわかりません。しかしアメリカ人だけではなく、欧州の人々もたくさん混じってると思いますよ。
>actually spelled out "Korbo"
Oh, that's why this picture was posted frequently. I don't know it until now.
Thanks.
日本語で「ライ麦狼」と検索すると、・・・すんません、変なブログが出てきやがります。
あの綴りは自分が見ても違和感がありました。
間に一文字ありそうで、それはrっぽくて。
ゆとり世代は筆記体を習ってないそうですが
そういう人が関わったんでしょうか?
みんな自国との関係を強調してて面白いな。
その内一人のコメントが真実を付いてる。ポーランドであるべきだ、だってこいつはアニメだもん。
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