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    ------------------------------Google Changing Privacy And User Tracking Policy------------------------------

    Every Search You Take ... Every Post You Make ... They'll Be Watching You
    GOOGLE will now require users to allow their activities to be tracked by the search giant across e-mail, search, YOUTUBE and other services, reports THE WASHINGTON POST. The information will enable GOOGLE to develop a fuller picture of how people use its growing empire of websites. Consumers will have no choice but to accept the changes.

    This dramatic shift in strategy, which starts MARCH 1st, will likely prompt a public outcry about GOOGLE's respect -- or lack thereof -- of their users privacy. What's more, the changes will impact ANDROID mobile phone users, who are required to log in to GOOGLE accounts when they activate their phones.

    The reason for the move, according to the POST, is that after suffering through disappointing quarterly earnings, GOOGLE wants to mimic FACEBOOK's and APPLE's ecosystems by tailoring ads and marketing to its users' personal tastes. For example, a user who happens to watch a YOUTUBE video of a certain band might suddenly see ads for the band's latest records or concert ticket info in his or her GMAIL accounts.

    "If you’re signed in, we may combine information you’ve provided from one service with information from other services," GOOGLE Dir./Privacy, Product and Engineering ALMA WHITTEN wrote in a blog post. "In short, we’ll treat you as a single user across all our products which will mean a simpler, more intuitive Google experience."

    The problem may come from users who may not want their information shared across different websites. A GMAIL user who send messages to a potential business partner about a private meeting may not want the location of that meeting publicized in GOOGLE’s massive database or used for its maps application.

    Privacy advocates recently filed a separate complaint that GOOGLE deceived consumers by using information from its new social network GIOOGLE+ in general search results, while other point to GMAIL users, including some WHITE HOUSE staff, who targeted by hackers who were able to breach the company’s e-mail accounts.

    GOOGLE's changes in its privacy policy and terms of service are for all its services except for GOOGLE Wallet, its Chrome browser and GOOGLE Books.

    Posted on January 24, 2012 - 08:11 PM #
  2. motozak3

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    https://ssl.scroogle.org/

    Use it.

    Posted on January 24, 2012 - 09:58 PM #
  3. RadioBuggie

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    Yes and if you DON'T understand 'Scroogle', let us know HERE...

    Posted on January 25, 2012 - 09:36 PM #
  4. Scroogle is a Google search, but it runs through their servers and trashes the ads and cookies before giving you the results.
    The same place that does Scroogle also has a website about Gmail privacy concerns. Unfortunately, as the article Craig posted says, refusing to e-mail personal contacts with Gmail accounts might work, but that's not going to work if its your business contacts (or your business uses a Gmail-hosted business account). So there's no way of knowing if you're e-mailing a Gmail account or not.

    Also remember that many websites use Google Analytics, which means more sites than just Google are using Google cookies.

    I like to clear the cache and cookies of any browser I'm using before visiting any site. Firefox has CTRL-SHIFT-DEL, for example.

    (The Master of Disaster thinks we're moving into an age where soon using the internet will require signing into a central identity database before doing anything, where everything you do is available on your "personal identity" page for everyone to see. It will be trumpeted by techno-morons and such as the most convenient expansion of the internet ever, while being the most invasive breach of privacy ever. Imagine a site that says something like this:
    5:30 AM: your alarm clock goes off. Snooze button hit.
    5:40 AM: your alarm clock goes off. Snooze button hit.
    5:41 AM: your boss posts to your personal identity page "GET UP AND GET HERE!!!"
    5:42 AM: you turn off alarm.
    5:44 AM: you eat such and such for breakfast.
    5:49 AM: you call 555-whatever and have conversation for 11 minutes.
    etc...)

    Posted on January 26, 2012 - 09:50 AM #
  5. motozak3

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    "Also remember that many websites use Google Analytics, which means more sites than just Google are using Google cookies."

    Good reason to copy the following entries in your hosts file--

    127.0.0.1 localhost

    216.197.121.236 google.com http://www.google.com #http://scroogle.org:80/ (alias redirect for G??gl? main search page)
    127.0.0.1 pagead2.googlesyndication.com
    127.0.0.1 googlesyndication.com
    127.0.0.1 ads.googlesyndication.com
    127.0.0.1 http://www.googlesyndication.com
    127.0.0.1 adwords.google.com
    127.0.0.1 googleadservices.com
    127.0.0.1 http://www.googleadservices.com
    127.0.0.1 googleanalytics.com
    127.0.0.1 ssl.googleanalytics.com
    127.0.0.1 http://www.googleanalytics.com
    127.0.0.1 .google-analytics.com
    127.0.0.1 ssl.google-analytics.com
    127.0.0.1 http://www.google-analytics.com
    127.0.0.1 http://www.googletagservices.com
    127.0.0.1 ssl.googletagservices.com
    127.0.0.1 .googletagservices.com
    127.0.0.1 googletagservices.com
    127.0.0.1 doubleclick.com
    127.0.0.1 .doubleclick.com
    127.0.0.1 gan.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 .doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad-g.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 googleads.g.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.ie.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ajax.googleapis.com
    127.0.0.1 partner.googleadservices.com
    127.0.0.1 plusone.google.com
    127.0.0.1 apis.google.com
    127.0.0.1 ssl.gstatic.com
    127.0.0.1 ajax.googleapis.com
    127.0.0.1 googleapis.com
    127.0.0.1 .googleapis.com

    #Doubleclick-associated garbage
    127.0.0.1 domains.googlesyndication.com
    127.0.0.1 pagead2.googlesyndication.com
    127.0.0.1 adservices.google.com
    127.0.0.1 video-stats.video.google.com
    127.0.0.1 4.afs.googleadservices.com
    127.0.0.1 feedads.googleadservices.com
    127.0.0.1 imageads.googleadservices.com
    127.0.0.1 partner.googleadservices.com
    127.0.0.1 http://www.googleadservices.com
    127.0.0.1 apps5.oingo.com
    127.0.0.1 http://www.appliedsemantics.com
    127.0.0.1 service.urchin.com
    127.0.0.1 m1.2mdn.net
    127.0.0.1 rmcdn.2mdn.net
    127.0.0.1 rmcdn.f.2mdn.net
    127.0.0.1 n339.asp-cc.com
    127.0.0.1 ads.cc-dt.com
    127.0.0.1 clickserve.cc-dt.com
    127.0.0.1 creative.cc-dt.com
    127.0.0.1 clickserve.dartsearch.net
    127.0.0.1 clickserve.eu.dartsearch.net
    127.0.0.1 clickserve.uk.dartsearch.net
    127.0.0.1 doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad-g.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad2.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.ae.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.ar.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.at.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.au.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.be.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.br.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.ca.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.ch.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.cl.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.cn.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.de.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.dk.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.es.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.fi.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.fr.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.gr.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.hk.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.hr.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.hu.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.ie.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.in.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.jp.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.kr.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.it.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.nl.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.no.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.nz.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.pl.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.pt.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.ro.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.ru.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.se.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.sg.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.si.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.terra.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.th.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.tw.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.uk.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.us.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.za.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.n2434.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad-emea.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 creatives.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 dfp.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 feedads.g.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 fls.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 fls.uk.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 googleads.g.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ir.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 iv.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 m.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 motifcdn.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 motifcdn2.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 n4052ad.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 n4403ad.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 n479ad.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 optout.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 paypalssl.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 pubads.g.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 s2.video.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 doubleclick.ne.jp
    127.0.0.1 www3.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 http://www.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 doubleclick.com
    127.0.0.1 www2.doubleclick.com
    127.0.0.1 www3.doubleclick.com
    127.0.0.1 http://www.doubleclick.com
    127.0.0.1 tpc.googlesyndication.com
    127.0.0.1 ad.rs.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 code.adtlgc.com
    127.0.0.1 keywords.adtlgc.com
    127.0.0.1 svd2.adtlgc.com
    127.0.0.1 affiliate.2mdn.net
    127.0.0.1 s0.2mdn.net
    127.0.0.1 static.2mdn.net
    127.0.0.1 clickserve.us2.dartsearch.net
    127.0.0.1 ad-apac.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.mo.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 adclick.g.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 gan.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 gdfp.g.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 googleads2.g.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 n4061ad.hk.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 securepubads.g.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 ad.bg.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 cm.g.doubleclick.net
    127.0.0.1 log2.quintelligence.com
    127.0.0.1 http://www.destinationurl.com
    127.0.0.1 doubleclick.shockwave.com
    127.0.0.1 www3.webhostingtalk.com

    Barring that, disabling Javascript also helps since Analytics uses Javascript to function! But that isn't as cool as just blocking it outright.....

    (BUG: For some reason this board's software seems to be preceding some entries with an "http://", which it obviously should NOT be doing. Just delete that part when you copy them into your hosts file.)

    Posted on January 26, 2012 - 12:55 PM #
  6. edust1958

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    I have uninstalled Google Chrome from my computers. I have deleted my former Google+ and GMail accounts... every time they ask me why, I tell them it is because I do not like their proposed policy direction.

    If you have a gmail account for me and try to use it... sorry it will bounce as "user unknown"

    Posted on January 26, 2012 - 05:01 PM #
  7. motozak3

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    "The reason for the move, according to the POST, is that after suffering through disappointing quarterly earnings, G??GL? wants to rip off F---BOOK's and CRAPPLE's methods by tailoring ads and marketing to its users' personal tastes so G??GL? don't feel like they're being outdone (which they outght to be.)"

    Which actually is code for "The Gu'mint's pressuring us to maintain stronger unwarranted surveillance on Amerikan Internet users, so being the good little corporate Amerikan sleazeballs we are, we're only more than happy to give in willingly. After all, we're G??gl?, so it's not like we don't know everything about everybody's whereabouts already."

    (I'm going to cancel my two G??gl? M??l files just as soon as I can find a decent free E Mail system that supports IMAP and doesn't "expire" if you don't log-in after X number of days. Hushmail's out of the question. So are Yahoo, American Offline and Micro$haft's E Mail system. Can anybody suggest a good one?)

    Posted on January 26, 2012 - 07:18 PM #
  8. motozak3

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    I'm going to cancel my two G??gl? M??l files just as soon as I can find a decent free E Mail system that supports IMAP and doesn't "expire" if you don't log-in after X number of days. Hushmail's out of the question. So are Yahoo, American Offline and Micro$haft's E Mail system.

    Can anybody suggest a good one?

    Anybody? Hello??






    Operator...*tap tap tap taptaptaptaptap*...Operator!!......

    Posted on January 27, 2012 - 12:58 PM #
  9. Chico

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    Not original with me, but this statement I read a few months ago about Facebook applies here as well: "If you are not paying for something you are not the customer. You are the product to be bought and sold."

    Posted on January 27, 2012 - 01:59 PM #
  10. motozak3

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    So why aren't F---book dicking money out of their hapless victims (read: users) yet, then? Seems pretty self-contradictory.....

    Posted on January 27, 2012 - 02:43 PM #
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    "Not original with me, but this statement I read a few months ago about Facebook applies here as well: "If you are not paying for something you are not the customer. You are the product to be bought and sold."

    Exactly. True for Google, Facebook, Twitter, et. al.

    Although in the case of Google, they have invested heavily in Motorola's intellectual property and their whole cellular phone and set top box division.

    It's data that is the commodity being developed and sold. But in reality it's nothing new. The telephone companies of old built the first addressable networks and began selling their info long before any of us were born (well, maybe not Deane). Customer databases even without personal information attached have been sold for ages. After all, and in respect to the industries, radio and television ratings are based in the same paradigm. You watch free TV over the air, and don't fill out a ratings book, but your viewership gets lumped in with the folks that did keep books due to the sketchy math skills of marketing people and sold to advertisers.

    In other words, there has been a data set associated with just about everything you consume, paid for or not.
    And it gets sold to someone who wants it.

    Posted on January 27, 2012 - 02:52 PM #
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    "In other words, there has been a data set associated with just about everything you consume, paid for or not.
    And it gets sold to someone who wants it. "

    I can attest to this absolutely. I went to a luncheon yesterday, put on by our local Economic Development Council, introducing the new partnership that they were entering into with a Ft. Worth-based company named Buxton. Their representative went on for about a half-hour about the "granular" household-based information they were able to provide to their clients. She claims to have a database of 112 million American households, gleaned from 250 databases. She says that they can provide a wide range of information, down to the car you personally drive, the TV shows you watch and the number of times you go to MickeyD's (along with what you buy) each week. It was one of the scariest presentations I've ever been to, and she closed with "I hope I haven't freaked you out." I joked with a local police chief who was there, and he said "I need a warrant to get that much information on someone." The scariest realization? All of this information is gleaned from information we willingly provide to people on a daily basis. None of this is done under the table or through criminal activity.

    http://www.buxtonco.com/

    Posted on January 27, 2012 - 04:44 PM #
  13. Skybill9

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    It is scary how much information is out there. It's too bad we can't have a "delete" button to erase us from their databases.

    If the government wants to do something worthwhile then they should pass regulations that people/companies cannot collect personally identifiable information on us without explicit permission.

    Posted on January 27, 2012 - 04:54 PM #
  14. Alfredo_T

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    Thank you, motozak3, for the extensive list of google and doubleclick servers. I will make sure that these are blocked from my home network. It will be interesting to see how (or if) google searches work when these servers cannot be reached.

    I recall that around 1995 or 1996, I suspected that once the Internet became a mainstream electronic medium, it would become the most heavily researched medium ever simply because it is so much easier to collect data about who uses specific websites (even if the content is free) than it is to determine who watches or listens to specific television or radio broadcasts. George Orwell's nightmare of two-way television has come true, and David Weinberger, on the other hand, was a complete Pollyanna in predicting (circa 1998) that the Internet would spell the end of advertising.

    Posted on January 30, 2012 - 11:38 AM #
  15. Alfredo_T

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    Are there any Web pages that do not load fully if the servers on Motozak3's list are blocked? So far, I have not run into any problems, but I haven't had these servers blocked on my home network for very long. I note that if I connect to my work intranet through VPN, the work laptop routes traffic to these blocked sites through the VPN connection (thus defeating my firewall).

    Posted on February 1, 2012 - 02:29 PM #
  16. So why are their no, or not many, laws to protect the consumer privacy? Oh yeah, we don't have a lobbyist.

    Posted on February 1, 2012 - 02:43 PM #
  17. motozak3

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    Haven't had any problems myself; obviously the pages mapped above won't open if you try to access them directly, but then, why would you want to? ;o)

    In fact, I have noticed a decent increase in the loading speed on sites which use the recources 127.0.0.1'd above. I also have the hosts file on http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.txt in mine, which is where much of the above compilation came from, and helps block a lot more of the nasty little surprises you'll encounter "out there".

    (You could also try replacing the 127.0.0.1's with 0.0.0.0's if it's making your localhost page load. You may recall I had mentioned here that was the workaround we used in the Evergreen district. [And no, "127.0.0.0.1" is *not* the correct format!])

    Posted on February 1, 2012 - 02:58 PM #
  18. Alfredo_T

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    It appears that in order to load, Google/YouTube now require that certain of the tracking servers that Motozak3 listed be reachable. I was blocking the servers that he listed on my home network. A few days ago, I started having performance problems when loading Google or YouTube, with the sites either loading slowly or displaying error messages. I then re-directed requests to those servers to my own Linux server (instead of blocking them outright). That caused my Linux server's Web page to be displayed when I go to either Google or YouTube!!!

    I stayed up WAAAYYYY too late last night trying to figure this out. Do any of my geek friends have other suggestions on how to steer clear of Google's tracking technology?

    Posted on February 17, 2012 - 11:44 AM #
  19. Skybill9

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    Hijack on:

    Alfredo and all, are you going to Rickreall tomorrow?

    Hijack off.

    Posted on February 17, 2012 - 11:45 AM #
  20. Alfredo_T

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    I can't make it to Rickreall tomorrow.

    Posted on February 17, 2012 - 12:52 PM #
  21. Skybill9

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    Bummer!

    Anyone else going?

    Posted on February 17, 2012 - 01:30 PM #
  22. I stayed up WAAAYYYY too late last night trying to figure this out. Do any of my geek friends have other suggestions on how to steer clear of Google's tracking technology?
    Easy answer: Discontinue using Google services. Master of Disaster uses other search engines, for example. If the general public flees Google products and services the way they threatened to leave mega-banks, Google would have to rethink their policy strategy.
    Other ideas: Use browser settings, such as blocking cookies or other methods. (Chances are good they'll find a way to circumvent the user doing this as well.)

    The Master of Disaster guesses Google is figuring out (or already has) a way of tracking users (even non-logged-in users) without their knowledge. ISPs have always had these kind of logs at their disposal (think music companies subpoenaing ISP records early last decade), and I discovered recently that Google offers services to ISPs, so that one's entire traffic record goes through Google in one form or another. One of these days (sooner than later), it may be impossible to use the internet (or even any non-face-to-face communication!) without using/agreeing to the TOS of someone like Google or Facebook.

    Posted on February 17, 2012 - 01:43 PM #
  23. motozak3

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    You could also use a proxy server, but even that's questionable where anonymity is concerned for the very reasons discussed in that second paragraph. The tips in the first paragraph are ones I've been exercising for years.

    There's another decent "anonymous" G??gl? search front-end at https://ixquick.com/ (and a secondary site, https://startpage.com/ ). Same basic idea as Scroogle, except it also covers a couple search systems (M$ and Y?h??, I think) and it reportedly doesn't keep any logs. This is what I have been using more, mainly because Scroogle's been rather flaky and unreliable lately.




    //still not going to help me find another free E Mail system, are you guys?

    Posted on February 17, 2012 - 03:37 PM #
  24. jr_tech

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    Might be some useful info here:

    http://email.about.com/od/freeemailreviews/tp/free_email.htm

    But really, why change? G-Mail seems to work well enough... so what if some ads pop up that are directed towards your particular interests? Free is a very good price!

    As AB said above:
    "If you are not paying for something you are not the customer. You are the product to be bought and sold."

    Posted on February 17, 2012 - 05:34 PM #
  25. motozak3

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    Thanks for the link--too bad they listed M?sp?c? in the article, but at least it's near the bottom of the list. How much do you think G??gl? paid ?b??u.c?m to list its system in position #1? ;o)

    Considering how little I even use E mail for personal stuff these days it's not even worth giving some company money for it. At least I don't have ads on G??gl? M??l going through Thunderbird/IMAP. Wouldn't even if I went through Firefox/HTTPS since the URLs the ads originate from are 127.0.0.1'd and Javascripting disabled. But why would I want to access it that way in the first place?

    Posted on February 17, 2012 - 06:09 PM #
  26. Alfredo_T

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    still not going to help me find another free E Mail system, are you guys?

    Have you tried sdf.lonestar.org ? SDF lets you access your mail through POP, a telnet login shell (with Pine) or via a Squirrelmail Web-based interface. There are not ads (although they do appreciate small donations).

    Posted on February 17, 2012 - 06:10 PM #
  27. motozak3

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    *slaps forehead*

    Can't believe I forgot about good old SDF! Used to use it in high school, think it was around the time they were getting off the X86es and going to Alphæ. Some of my very earliest Linux adventures happened on Lonestar.

    Hopefully my old login credentials are still valid, having not been utilised in almost 10 years.....

    Posted on February 17, 2012 - 06:18 PM #

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