1)Main initial objective is INVESTIGATION to find out what is going onEdit
2)We are NOT asking to recover deleted videos.Edit
3)We are asking to HELP investigation and studying gently, but CONTINUOUSLY.Edit
4)You can think,investigate and study quietly to discover what is going on.Edit
5)The anti-Korean activists and anti-Japan activists are also using SAVE MIKU project. Thus, do NOT respond in YouTube and other.Edit
6)One of the Goals is added. "Collaboration on Vocaloid work between Japan and the West."Edit
7)We are trying to find the problem in International and Japanese Vocaloid community. We are trying to GET the CLUE to solve.Edit
8)[MOST IMPORTANT] Please get the permission from Original Producer for the secondary use when needed. Please check the condition for the secondary use.Edit
9)We are volunteer of Vocaloid fan and creatorsEdit
10)Please check our Website for the updated information.Edit
11)Please help us to Improve English our Website and some other pages.Edit
12)Message was released in February 2012. But, it seems not well known in oversea and others.Edit
2)We have been helping Producer, artist, and fandom who may actively doing in YouTube and international Websites through several side projects. Please find in other pages.Edit
13) Please say Hi to original Producer, if you are using a video for secondary use. This prevent many problems. It may occasionally OK even after use.Edit
6)If original Producer asked to delete your video in YouTube due to several reason, please understand and follow the direction AFTER finding the proper reason.Edit
8)There are big mis-understanding within Producer in Japan that we promote and help copying and re-uploading video. However, it is not true. Please tell right information as listed here.Edit
9) If you are going to delete Vocaloid video by the official claim through YouTube, please write in following page to prevent misunderstanding by us and other peoples.Edit
9)If you are going to warn or advice the owner of video account, please also use this form to prevent many problems.Edit
11)Following is wrong spread information. Everyone need to correct.Edit
"Crypron and Google are already solving actively. Everyone is nothing to do."Edit
12)Many other problems regarding videos are also found during the investigation. Please start to think.Edit
After the Secondary Use of the Videos (二次創作利用後の新規の引用方法)Edit
If you are referring original video after secondary use, it is highly helpful for international user and artist to put URL address of English page of the original video using Nico Nico.com.Edit
Thus, it is highly recommended to write URL of the original video in English Nico Nico.com.Edit
Please get the permission from Original Producer for the secondary use whatever necessary. Please check the condition for the secondary use of Producer.Edit
Please do not copied and re-upload videos without permission from Original Producer. False claimer may delete your video and account.Edit
Secondary use does not include simple copying and re-uploading of video to YouTube from Nico Nico Douga/Video.
Please put URL address of the Original Work to refer. Then, getting permisson and contact may become easier.Edit
1) It was found that many copied and re-uploaded videos were already present in YouTube WITHOUT permission from original Producer. It may harming the activity of original Producer to start near future in YouTube. It is harming the NEW ORIGINAL creations. It may be asked to delete by original Producer. Please find original PV to view original video which is uploaded by original Producer in YouTube. Please change or add proper URL link in your Website to show original videos from P. Please read Piapro as a model of putting creditEdit
調査の結果、まだPに確認しておられない多数の無断転載状態の動画が見つかりました。これらの動画により、オリジナル作者のPが、近い将来YouTube環境で活動を開始するときに、妨げになる場合があることが判明してきています。 新規の創作の妨げになる場合があります。オリジナル作者のPが、将来削除や修正を求める場合もあるかもしれません。
もしオリジナル作者のPが、YouTubeで活動を開始された場合、オリジナル作者のPの動画を見つけて閲覧してください。
その際、オリジナル作者のPの動画が表示されるように、その他の海外サイトの動画のURLリンクを、適正に追加・修正してください。
ピアプロなどで、紹介されているように、Vocaloid関連作品の場合、二次利用後に、ゆっくり後日、作者にコンタクトを取って利用確認が行われる場合もあります。
Instruction for Secondary Use 【二次創作利用の手引き】
During our investigation, many problems are found in international Vocaloid community and user. It was found that English communication between the people who make advice and receive advice was not good very often.Edit
After these kind of problem, videos were/might deleted including mysterious deletion due to bad result of communication and response in English. It may possible that someone may also delete video for joking or something. Thus, continuous investigation and help by everyone is highly requested.Edit
3) How everything start working. HELP request for everyone to continueEdit
It was found that our investigation and monitoring seems protecting from mysterious deletion even something and video deletion are still happening in July 2012. If someone delete one Vocaloid video from YouTube, we can find out usually. We also receive complainment, opinion and suggestion from someone who still want delete videos.Edit
Thus, please DO NOT STOP helping. We don't have enough people to continue for longer. We are doing by minimum number (a few) of people. We need to shift volunteer people to rest near future. We have been protecting, investigating and solving problems for 6 months from January 2012.Edit
Thus, continuous investigation and help by everyone who can participate as minor volunteer is highly requested. Most of the volunteer is helping very minor part from internet. However, if one person stop, major part of our activity is stop. Crypron and Google are not solving problems actively. They are not helping followings. Thus, you may able to help following:Edit
a) promote our activity to international and Japanese Website to correct misunderstanding of our activity
b) proof read and correct of English of this Website.
c) contact original Producer to get information of permission guideline for the Secondary Use.
d) make video, illustration or other creative works related to our new massage and Websites
e) translate main part of this message into other language.
f) do many minor things
g) Donation and gift are welcome.. such as Vocaloid goods.
4) To the people who make advice and receive advice (アドバイスする方と、される方へ)Edit
During the advice and receiving advice for correction or something, it was fond that many kind of fights and additional problems were generated very often. It may cause mysterious deletion of videos sometime. Thus, this feedback is generated to solve problem in advance.Edit
If original Producer ask to change something or delete video, please make fundamental relationship by communicating ordinary talk for about 1 WEEK before entering the discussion of major problem. It was found that immediate discussion regarding problems usually cause debate and fighting. It was also found that high school and middle school kids were occasionally causing problems in English WebsitesEdit
Even some Japanese people in YouTube tried to make advice to correct something, it was/may recognized as some kind of spam or similar activity due to poor communication skill in English. Please understand that original Producers and some people who is helping them may not use good communication skill in English.Edit
This is not the level of English writing. This is the experience level to understand foreign culture in different language/country. Experience to solve problem is needed for maintaining good communication. Please understand this is not the normal English advice nor normal conversation anymore.Edit
According to the report, it was also found that some English translator in Japan may cause problem due to aggressive writing during correction. This person may expand problem even poor communication skill in basic English.Edit
If original Producer is visiting you for several reason, please make sure the objective. P may also busy. Please understand Japanese creator may not good at English communication. If a volunteer from Vocaloid community is visiting for your advice or correction, please do not blame back. Please use simple English instead of slung.Edit
If an adviser start blaming or writing negative comment, please stop advising and rest for at lease several days or 1 week. It may cause additional problems. It may cause very bad impression of other advisers too. Please have a fun instead of doing uncomfortable advice.Edit
You can show and use our Website to help understanding and summarize even in poor communication in English. Use several weeks for thinking if the problem is big.Edit
Crypton and Google are NOT solving the video deletion problem actively according to Crypton and our investigation. They are just collecting some information as written in J-CAST News on February 2, 2012. We received several unofficial letters from Crypton regarding this case 7, the articles from MikuFan.com written in April 16 and 23, 2012.Edit
Most of Japanese fan knew that the information from MikuFan.com were wrong regarding Crypton and Google due to the original News in February 2, 2012 and some minor information from Crypton. However, their articles were expanded in international community in English. Their articles have been causing confusion in Vocaloid community.Edit
We spent 2 months to investigate this case to find out what is the truth, quietly. We spent 1-2 month to tell about misunderstanding or incorrect information in order to convince MikuFan.com, with minor unofficial help from Crypton. Please read our report which is on going even not good English yet.Edit
Case7 mikufan.com 【Are Crypton and Google really solving problems actively or NOT?】
We also found many problems related to Vocaloid community and SAVE MIKU during the investigation. Since Crypton and Google are NOT actively solving many problems, someone have to take care to solve problems. Coping videos and permission problems for secondary use are also remaining for international user. Who is going to take care? Edit
In addition to us, Crypton is also asking gently to fandom and user in order to think about coping videos and the permission problems for secondary use. Google can not protect if the video is copied and re-uploaded without permission. Downloading and re-uploading of a video violate the general user term of Youtube. There are no people or organization to take care so far.Edit
Did SASA Jyunichi try to solve problems illegally by massive deletion?Edit
(某 笹純一さんは、違法な大量動画削除により 動画問題を解決しようとしたのか?)
Please start thinking instead of saying there is no problem. We are still not sure the initial person, who try to take care the coping videos and the permission problems by massive illegal deletion, was SASA Jyunichi or not. lol.. We found some information that SASA is/may related to musician. Please read our report and summary page of this Wikia.Edit
Why misunderstandings have been causing big problems to usEdit
The big problems of their articles from MikuFan.com were that they removed the most of our promotion activity. We highly need to promote our new massage to change BIG misunderstanding in producer and other people as described above. We highly need help to maintain current situation in order to protect and investigate.Edit
Another big problem is that when we tried to release message, everyone ask us if Crypron and Google are already solving and nothing to do. If Crypton and Google are actively solving the problems instead of us, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO. We can watch as advised by their article. Thus, we are not able to release and spread the new massage until nearly finish the investigation of this case. We needed to solve/finish the case of MikuFan.com before spreading our new message.Edit
If we can not spread the message enough, we can not provide the proper information to other people. There are also several other problems too.Edit
We carefully investigated what is going on regarding MikuFan.com for 2-3 months. Meanwhile, most of our visitor by Facebook was stopped for 2 months after their articles as shown in our top page.Edit
Correction request of inaccurate information which is under spreadingEdit
It's still causing confusion and big problems. We and MikuFan.com need to correct wrong/inaccurate information in their article and need to spread correct information. It is normal to write correction in the field of Journal printing for more than 100 years.Edit
Many international people believed their news that "Crypron and Google are already solving actively. Everyone needs nothing to do." When we start to discuss, everyone ask us if Crypron and Google are already solving and nothing to do. We can not correct information one by one.Edit
Their spread message are still active in many other Website. It still causing confusion to many people. We and they need to wipe out inaccurate part of previous spread message from them.Edit
Correction request for previous wrong informationEdit
We found some information that "SASA Jyunichi" is/may related to musician. Did "SASA Jyunichi" try to solve problems illegally by massive deletion? We don't know yet. We found that some Producer may hiding and protecting information of "SASA Jyunichi" in very small SNS community.Edit
We can not get full information from Producers due to BIG misunderstanding. There are big mis-understanding within Producer in Japan that we (SAVE MIKU) promote and help copying and re-uploading video. However, it is not true. Please tell right information as listed here. This is the next thing everyone can do. We still get many spams due to this misunderstanding in Japanese Websites.Edit
Thus, we highly need to correct the information within Producer. We also need to correct this "Crypron and Google are already solving actively. Everyone needs nothing to do."Edit
It was found that English communication between the people who make advice and receive advice was not good very often. After these kind of problem, videos were/might deleted including mysterious deletion due to bad result of communication and response in English.Edit
It may possible that someone may also delete video for joking or something. Thus, continuous investigation and help by everyone is highly requested.Edit
6-2) Since many account may start to lost contact, it is very good to make contact for reconfirmation each other. During reconfirmation please tell correct information and this page. It is also helpful to ask for the deletion of wrong information and videos as follows:Edit
It was discovered that many Vocaloid videos in YouTube were copied and re-uploaded since original video in Nico Nico Douga/Video may difficult view by international user. If you can view or show Nico Nico Douga in international Website, it solve many problems. Please help to show original works by putting proper links and embedding system of video to Website.Edit
Most (95%) of the normal Producer don't have enough viewer in the original site. Most of original Producers need comments and viewers for the original video.Edit
Thus, if you are user of international Website or administrator, please ask the improvement of embedding system of your Website. Then, you can see the original videos in your Website.Edit
How to view or show Nico Nico Douga and others in English including your WebsiteEdit
8) Do NOT use SAVE MIKU for copying and re-uploading videoEdit
We are now studying and investigating how to improve Vocaloid related environment. Please Stop posting and using “Save Miku” at the time of copying and re-uploading video without permission. There is some possibility that someone who don't want SAVE MIKU campaign may also abuse these kind video and posting. Someone who don't like Vocaloid may also abuse.Edit
Thus, please delete this kind of video by yourself. We don't need this kind of video. These kind of videos were mainly uploaded in February 2012. This kind of video cause misunderstanding of SAVE MIKU. As shown in our feedback page, copying and re-uploading video increase deletion of videos. We currently need other help instead of this.Edit
9) Please delete these kind of video and message by your selfEdit
Do NOT use SAVE MIKU for copying and re-uploading video. This kind of video cause misunderstanding of SAVE MIKU. As shown in our feedback page, copying and re-uploading video increase deletion of videos. We currently need other help instead of this.Edit
Again, Crypton and Google are NOT solving the video deletion problem actively according to Crypton and our investigation. They are just collecting some information as written in J-CAST News on February 2, 2012. Since Crypton and Google are NOT actively solving many problems, someone have to take care to solve problems. Coping videos and permission problems for secondary use are also remaining for international user. In addition to us, Crypton is also asking to think about Coping videos and the permission problems for secondary use.=Edit
Following are wrong message spread by someone:Edit
There was a news from J-CAST News on February 2, 2012. In this news, Crypton was telling they are only started to collect the information regarding video deletion. The person from Google was out of office.Edit
However, we found that "J-CAST News on February 2, 2012" may caused wrong or inaccurate translation during international transfer by someone within 1-2 days.Edit
(Crypton is telling that [Crypton KNOWS about the issue, video deletion is happening in YouTube. Crypton is COLLECTING information.])Edit
However, these kind of information was mistranslated very often into followings:Edit
>[Crypton reported they would investigate the claims and try to resolve the matter with YouTube.]Edit
1-3 days after from J-CAST NEWS (on about Feb 3, 2012), following message are already started to post in YouTube. Someone add the wrong or inaccurate information to the original news as listed in above (9).Edit
Then, started to spread as wrong information by someone as follows:Edit
BY http://piapro.jp/t/7Uu0 (Where to download.) This illustration does not indicate about the relationship of Hatsune Miku and YouTube. このイラストは、初音ミクとYouTubeの、提携などを含めた、関係を示すものではありません。
Simple Summary of our message in English (version3)Edit
We are announcing again since there are too many misunderstanding regarding SAVE MIKU project. We have changed the direction just after initial promotion in early February. We are NOT asking to recover deleted videos. We are asking to help investigation and studying quietly. You can think, investigate and study quietly to discover what is going on. One of the Goal is added "Collaboration on Vocaloid work between Japan and the West." .Edit
During the investigation and studying, we are trying to find what is the problem for the international transfer of Vocaloid works. We are trying to find the clue to help by analysis and investigation.Edit
We are trying to monitor and search the environment of Vocaloid works and fandom in YouTube. Then, we developed the checking system for Vocaloid videos in YouTube, in order to protect Vocaloid works and fandom.Edit
Please help if you are interested in. Please tell us if you find any new information about it.Edit
We found that anti-Korean activists and anti-Japan activists are also using SAVE MIKU project to promote their anti-Korean campaign. We are asking NOT to stimulate NOR respond the anti-Korean activists who are sitting in the comment place of the YouTube video of SAVE MIKU. Thus, please try to discuss more detailed topics of Vocaloid with other Vocaloid fan in order to reduce the intention of anti-Korean activists.Edit
Propose of the initial message was only informing to other person that "mysterious deletion has been happening". The initial aim, which was telling about deletion of videos, seems successful. However, responses were too aggressive from oversea sometime. Therefore, we shifted more mildly as written in Main Menu+ Japanese and Save Miku Overseas Wiki . During our investigation and studying, many thing has been discovered as written in summary and others.Edit
It was found that more than 70-80% of the Vocaloid videos in YouTube are/maybe copied and re-uploaded from Nico Nico Video without permission form the Original Producer. Many original Producer of video did not interested in recovering the deleted video. Therefore, we changed the direction. We started to inform and study how to prevent or reduce unwanted copying.Edit
There are BIG misunderstanding within Producers in Japan that we promote and help copying and re-uploading video from Nico Noco Douga to Youtube without permission. However, it is not true. Due to misunderstanding, most of Producers may not read our message yet. Thus, if you find an original Producer, please show our new message and ask for understanding of our activity. There is some possibility that some creator related people are helping to hide major claimers in small community.Edit
We started to help getting permission from the original Producers. Many Producers seems expecting some kind of contact even After secondary use of the video. It seems better to say hi, if you are using for secondary use. It may also fine to confirm in order to check English translation of lyric. It was discovered that there are many mistranslation in the video. It was realized that translation of lyric is translation of poem. Thus, It is very difficult. It was found that some English translators did not understand the meaning of Japanese lyric.Edit
It was also found that if you can use Pipro, Website for creators made by Crypton, it is very easy and simple to get permission for secondary use. Many original Producer are already registered in Priapro for collaboration or secondary use. Please find more in the following page:Edit
We also started to investigate if false claimer may targeted to bad and mistranslation as written in summary. We are now studying and investigating how to improve Vocaloid related environment. Please Stop posting and using “Save Miku” at the time of copying and re-uploading video without permission.Edit
We also develop the special method to check all Vocaloid videos in YouTube nearly everyday. Due to Daily Check of Vocaloid video and precaution with everyone, deletion of the additional video has been stabilized. If you find additional deleted video, please contact us and leave some comment in the Wiki. We are also discussing and investigating every day to find the evidence related to the mysterious video deletion.Edit
Protection of creative environment is also important according to creator and Producer regarding Save Miku in order to produce new video and secondary works. Proper secondary use and protection of the chain of creation may also Save Miku.
Many of our previous video may showing the previous message which was initially released in January, 2012. Several days from the initial message, we already CHANGED a lot. It was found that several private Website may also showing very old message. Thus, please find the latest message from this page.Edit
3) Crypton and Google are NOT solving the video deletion problem actively according to Crypton and our investigation. They are collecting some information as written in the News in February 2, 2012. We received several unofficial letters from Crypton regarding this case 7, the articles from MikuFan.com written in April 16 and 23, 2012. We spent 2 months to investigate this case to find out what is the truth, quietly. Please read our report which is on going even not good English yet.Edit
Case7 mikufan.com 【Crypton and Google are solving according to the articles of mikufan.com or NOT TRUE】
We also found many problems related to Vocaloid community and SAVE MIKU during the investigation. Since Crypton and Google are NOT actively solving many problems, someone has to solve these problems. Coping videos and permission problems for secondary use are also remaining for international user. Who is going to take care of this? Please read our report and summary page of this Wikia.Edit
The big problems of their articles from MikuFan.com were that they removed the most of our promotion activity. We highly need to promote our new massage to change BIG misunderstanding in producer and other people as described above. Most of the visitor by Facebook was stopped for 2 months after their articles as shown in our top page. We and them need to correct wrong information in their article.Edit
It is very helpful that if someone could check the English spelling or grammar to improve our writing such as written in this Website since we don't have enough person to do all the work. It is also helpful to translate our main message into other languages.Edit
One of the Goal is added "Collaboration on Vocaloid work between Japan and the West." as written in main menu.Edit
Please think what kind of things do you want to do next. We are making new website for this.Edit
http://piapro.jp/t/kutZ (Where to download.) This illustration does not indicate about the relationship of Hatsune Miku and YouTube. このイラストは、初音ミクとYouTubeの、提携などを含めた、関係を示すものではありません。
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