Originally posted by KSigMason

Originally posted by squandered
Isn't the premise of freemasonry to worship people they will never meet?

No it is not.

How am I wrong?

You are at the bottom of an hierarchy, and you don't know what's above you but you give it worshipful status.

Originally posted by Skylonda
I have a genuine question; is there such a thing as a secret Masonic code book?

Yes.

If so, what would it look like, what would the uses of it be?

The ones I've seen are blue and pocket-sized. The text is almost entirely in cipher. It's used by a Mason to help memorize the ritual work.

What would happen to it if the owner died with no children.

It would probably go wherever the rest of the owners' belongings went, I'd wager.

Would it be so secret, the Masonic brothers would normally gather it up and perhaps other items so as not to be circulated amongst the general non-Masonic population? Or is it something worthless to a non- Mason?

It's pretty much worthless to anyone who doesn't already know what it says. Kinda tricky that way, actually, but that's honestly the best way I can describe it... the words and rhythms of the ritual are very particular, and it's not likely that someone would be able to read it cover to cover without having experienced the rituals first-hand a number of times. But it's not particularly of any value to the Masons as well... it's not like anyone would necessarily go out of their way to snatch it up to keep it out of circulation—you can buy them on Amazon…

I saw something of that nature perhaps in a box auction of an old man's belongings and have been curious ever since. It looked old and well worn. What would a thing like that be used for, besides the obvious? How secret would it be? Is every member issued one or just at certain levels or to a Mason tasked with certain duties?

It's not issued, but can be bought. There aren't any earth-shattering secrets in it, just the way we do our initiations and other ceremonies. If it came into your possession, you could keep it, or sell it on eBay to a collector, or donate it back to a local lodge—again, it's of no real value, but they might add it to their library if it's particularly vintage. Up to you, really. They can be fun to try to decipher, and you might even get the gist of most of it with enough effort, but probably wouldn't get all the particulars without help.

Originally posted by squandered
How am I wrong?

You are at the bottom of an hierarchy, and you don't know what's above you but you give it worshipful status

First, you're wrong by assuming any of us are at the bottom of a hierarchy. KSig in particular has more titles and is a member of more appendant bodies than you could shake a stick at.

Second, we know full well what the hierarchy is and who's at the different levels within it. You're the one who's in the dark about our structures.

Third, the term "worshipful" means someone we respect, not that we literally worship.

Originally posted by squandered
What a terrible misfortune that you are here and not somewhere using your powers of association if you are high ranking members.

Not at all. I had a meeting tonight, actually. World domination plans really do run themselves without much need for maintenance.

It's a club with a hierarchy.

It's really not. You just imagine that.

So you've drawn a line in the sand claiming to be holier than thou and now make claims against people based on the obvious reaction from non-members. Frankly you have to do much better than that.

Not at all. We're not here claiming any superiority. We're stating as fact what actually goes on in a Masonic lodge. If non-members don't believe it, that's their problem.

That fact you are in suggests I will never convey my outsiders view. Regardless, it's good to know you have something to care for.

Originally posted by squandered
Semantics. See my other response.

What is semantics? The fact that the word doesn't mean to worship, but one of great respect? Or that I have sat as a Worshipful Master and know that there isn't any worship being done? The Lodge is not a church and so worship does not occur. It's just that plain simple.

Originally posted by squandered
What facts can support the professed ideology of a secret society. You guys can tell any stories you like.

Have you not paid attention to the posts? Everything I've posted is factual about Freemasonry.

Originally posted by squandered
.. even secret societies

Yes, we're so secret that our meeting locations and times are known. Our leadership is known, even to the public if you would just look. Car decals, rings, shirts, and on and on.

Originally posted by squandered
You have drawn a line in the sand.

How? Where was this drawn?

Mr. David Rockefeller and his CFR clans plan a evil event on March 20th, 2012, do they?

1. The Israel Embassy in Japan unconventionally announced on web site that the office will be closed on Mar. 20th, however, the topic was instantly erased next day. The embassy staff and their families are scheduled to leave Tokyo at once, do you on March 20th? You are always watched. The white folks who work at Jewish financial institutions in Tokyo are also breathed on their neck. Will the Roppongi high-rise buildings where thousands of Jewish work become empty on March 20th just like WTC building at the time of 911 inside job?

2. Just after the Jewish population in the whole world pre-celebrated their victory in Purim Fectivsal, a stealth Jewish President G.W. Bush has initiated the invasion to Iraq on Mar. 20 2003. As a result Judea's old enemy, Saddam Hussein was thrown over.

3. The Sarin gas attack at Tokyo Subway by Aum Shinrikyo was also taken place on March 20, 95 which killed 12 people and injured more than 5,000 Now many of Japanese understand that Wall Street Jew worked behind the scenes.

4. We are told March 20 is "the religious retaliation memorial day of Judea" . Is that right?


WHAT SORT OF EVIL INCIDENT ARE YOU PLANNING ON MARCH 20, 2012, DAVID?

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