C&C - Case Closed/Detective Conan [7/5 - 7/8]

[The Landstander]

This week, on a very special Conan: TWO truths prevail. =o

[randi]

Did anyone notice on the first epsoide when it shows Jimmy on the Tv in the store its Amy,Geroge,and Mitch looking at it. Yes! Die Richard Die Richard Its your funeral. This wasn't too bad a epsoide. Liked the death points that Richard almost had. Still didn't figure it out...sad.Lol at Conan going through her underwear case.

Wee woo Wee woo
(bubbley)Subba Gear

[Tienshin]

This week, on a very special Conan: TWO truths prevail. =o

Does this double dose of truth involve two hot bi-curious babes? If not, I will be incredibly upset.

[Mr. Pedro]

Hang Richard, hang. :D

A decent episode, though I saw the outcome coming a mile away. The fact that Maya could save her own ass while she had amnesia only sealed it for me. Some nice wise-cracks tossed around during the first half.

Grade: B

[herbkir]

It was almost Richard's funeral. Here he thought he had a chance with a killer babe, only she really was a killer and Richard was her target. Conan saved the day with his power shoes. Still, this one had me guessing just what role Maya was playing in the revenge plot against Richard right up to where Maya revealed herself. Good episode, even if Conan is on at a ridiculous hour. (^_*)

[Mog]

Yeah, that was easy to see. Two options were opened when they showed her hands.

1. She was a hired killer going after Richard.
or
2. She was a hired killer going after the escaped convict.

Either way, she was a killer. It still made a good episode, though.

B+

[Master Moron]

Did I call this one or what? After that ridiculously hard bread clue on the last case, I typed on this message board. "Let's see what are some lesser known uses of necklaces? You could strangle someone with it, or use it as a tassle." And what do you know, she does strangle people with her necklace!

[PaQ]

I totally wasn't expecting that I thought the girl had taken the necklace from the guy..

Damn, I wish I could kick a ball like Conan.. Be able to be so accurate and deadly with a kick of any type of object..

[Fatneck]

Awww Conan's such a gentleman, even when they're trained assassins he still won't kick anything at a woman's face. When I saw the beginning of this episode it makes me wonder why Richard isn't concerned with the fact he keeps blacking out and when he wakes up he has people patting him on the back.

[Happy]

A solid episode. Did they recycle any racetrack footage from the previous time, it looked awfully similar? Also there sure are alot of murderers in Japan, I can't beleive they would show Richard almost being hanged, and I can't beleive he didn't notice Conan's little speach to whats her name.

[Duke]

A solid episode. Did they recycle any racetrack footage from the previous time, it looked awfully similar? Also there sure are alot of murderers in Japan, I can't beleive they would show Richard almost being hanged, and I can't beleive he didn't notice Conan's little speach to whats her name.
He was too worried about getting air back into his lungs.

Much like criminals in the past, the assassin just sits there with Conan after she's been defeated, waiting for the police to come.

I put everything together after I heard Conan say that the guy was after Moore. I knew the Jigsaw puzzle was to the Last Supper painting, but I thought the "9:13" thing was a Bible chapter instead of a street name. Originally I thought the woman was a federal agent or something.

[Anime 51]

Throughout the episode, I kept thinking Maya would turn out to be the escaped convict's wife.:rolleyes:

[Wounded_Dragon]

This might've been less obvious if I hadn't watched The Bourne Identity a few days ago. Despite, this was pretty obvious. As soon as Conan mentioned the wire cuts I was thinking "hmm...garrote?" Her dodging the car clinched it.

[Moonbay]

I feel bad that I laughed when Richard almost got hanged. :shrug: Weird? Anyways, pretty good episode. I didn't really try to solve it, just watched. But even I knew that Yancy fellow was after Richard the whole time, and I'm not too bright at these things. ^,^

Whoohoo! No murder here. Well, aparently there was a murder case before this but no episode was made into it. Hmmmm...

PS. I'm baaack.... though now I don't know anyone anymore. Oh well. Newbie again. :evil:

[lostrune]

Originally an anime-only episode titled "The Mysterious Beauty Amnesia Case:"

1. Yep, the flashback case was made up too. :D

2. When the lady fell on him, originally Conan said she's looking "fit."
What or where do you think Conan's eyes were looking at? :anime:

3. Originally, Conan wasn't able to recognize the Bible right away. I guess it's rare even for him to see in Japan? And yes, the Bible and the hidden scribble "9-13 Last Supper" were both originally in English, maybe signifying that the killer is well-traveled - she's Japanese "Maya Tachibana" (Reardon) yet wrote the note in English.

4. Heheheh, Richard wants to take Maya around to hotels alone... I wonder what else they could do in a hotel.... ;)

5. The kanji sign at the top of the killer's shop (which FUNi didn't sub yet also didn't mention like in the original dialogue) says "Last Supper" (that's why it's even weirder that Maya wrote the note in English instead of kanji).

6. Heh, Rachel said he'll be right behind Conan. She's the big girl with karate skillz yet telling a little kid to go in front of her?! :eek:

7. Ah, another convenient projectile to kick... and yet still not to her beautiful face. Why is it that it's always the bad ones.... :sweat:

I wonder if next time he can't find any, would Conan use the tranquilizer shot and risk Richard figuring out that maybe that's what's been happening to him. :shrug:

8. Either Conan was really smart to go or Maya really stupid to take Richard to the same rundown place that Maya took the bus for. (Rachel probably got the info after waking up the fraudster guy.) :rolleyes:



Throughout the episode, I kept thinking Maya would turn out to be the escaped convict's wife.:rolleyes:

Well, the convict killed his wife for insurance fraud, remember.

[randi]

I think Conan is begining to get old to some people. It used to be like in page two or three by now but now its only fourteen replies to the thread. I don't like the looks of this.

[bigddan11]

Another good episode for Conan. He once again proved why you can't outsmart a true detective. I loved how both he and Richard stood at the edge of a cliff balancing for their lives, and Rachel came to save them. I do wonder if they will ever stop with the "One truth prevails" quote though, and next time if one of these people escape it probbaly won't be Richard they go after. Conan is giving away his identity as a Detective a bit too often to the crooks. The ones that don't mourn will want revenge. For the record, Jessica Damuke played Maya/ Miah, and one of the reasons this thread is probably getting so few responses was the move back in time. More people will probably comment after they watch the recording after work or something.

[Tienshin]

I think Conan is begining to get old to some people. It used to be like in page two or three by now but now its only fourteen replies to the thread. I don't like the looks of this.


It's probably more to do to the later time slot then anything. If that is the case more people are probably taping it and watching the next day.

[Eddy]

Conan being on at 1:00 AM is, dare I say it, teh s uck. Regardless, it's still a good show and I'll still be watching it.

Good episode. I could tell there was something up with Maya the way she reacted when Conan pointed out the scars on her hands and seeing her reaction. How quickly she knew to jump away from the car sealed it, there was something about her.

Rachael is telling Conan that she'll be right behind him? Shouldn't she be in front of Conan when there is a killer on the loose and she thinks Conan is just a little kid?

Oh, no. We almost lost our poor Richard! :eek: Good thing Conan came to save the day with the conviently placed ball. And, you're right, Conan is a gentleman. Being sure not to hit her face like he does with so many other villains.

That next Conan's hint was awesome. *bubbly*Scubba gear!*bubbly*

[Tapout]

My complete lack of short-term memory strikes again...

Was Yancy a guy actually caught by Richard/Conan in a previous episode or was that just a setup for this one? Not like it matters, I'm just curious.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Well I watched it this morning since I thought it was pointless to go to the effort of watching it at 1AM but guess what... I went to bed and woke up at 1AM anyway but I had already missed a bit of the episode and I was tired so I decided to just let it record as planned. But it just goes to show ya, I still subconsciencously crave my Conan. I'll just have to train my self to wait till the next day (not gonna be easy).

Pretty good episode. I guess I don't hate Richard as much as you guys. I didn't laugh when he was hanging.

A bible, interesting... I wonder if they would have edited that for general CN?

[Legato B]

I don't think it would have been edited for general CN. It's being used as the key to a mystery, not in a religious context. That just happened to be paper that was at hand.

On another note, Richard is the best character on the show. Period.

[raykremer]

If he hired a hitwoman to kill Richard, why the hell was he hanging around also trying to kill him? If she hadn't lost her memory, wouldn't she have told him he was just getting in her way? If he was planning on getting Richard himself, why bother with the hitwoman?

[Duke]

If he hired a hitwoman to kill Richard, why the hell was he hanging around also trying to kill him? If she hadn't lost her memory, wouldn't she have told him he was just getting in her way? If he was planning on getting Richard himself, why bother with the hitwoman?
The whole reason he started doing it himself was because she got amnesia. Notice the first time he tried to kill Richard was outside the hospital.


Was Yancy a guy actually caught by Richard/Conan in a previous episode or was that just a setup for this one? Not like it matters, I'm just curious.
The flashback wasn't from a previous episode, it was made up for the story.

[TnAdct1]

My complete lack of short-term memory strikes again...

Was Yancy a guy actually caught by Richard/Conan in a previous episode or was that just a setup for this one? Not like it matters, I'm just curious.
It was a setup for tonight's case. A similar thing happens in the first Conan movie in which the the setup for the main case involves a case that Conan solved before he received the drug that shrunk him into a child.

[Sampo]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM1.jpghttp://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM2.jpg



A beautiful woman with amenisa falls for Richard. So the detective proclaims that he will help this lady (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/memories.jpg) find her missing memories! In the end both meet up in an abandoned building, but Maya leaves Richard hanging... Luckily Conan comes in to save the day with his super shoes.

Once I saw those scars on Maya's hands, I knew that she was some kind of assassin that used a garrotte. Of course I forgot about the fact that escaped convict could have hired her to kill Richard though.

Still a fun episode to watch :)



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2. When the lady fell on him, originally Conan said she's looking "fit."
What or where do you think Conan's eyes were looking at? :anime:
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Hehehe. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/gasp.jpg)




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6. Heh, Rachel said he'll be right behind Conan. She's the big girl with karate skillz yet telling a little kid to go in front of her?! :eek:
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LOL, I was like WTH?!!! Oh well.




... For the record, Jessica Damuke played Maya/ Miah, and one of the reasons this thread is probably getting so few responses was the move back in time. More people will probably comment after they watch the recording after work or something.Ah, I always wondered what Yukina (Yu Yu Hakusho) would sound like when she was PO :D Also that doorman(bellhop?) who greeted Maya at the hotel sounded like Sean Teague (Koenma) with a slight accent.


*Sampo stares at Eddy's avatar*
Dang you changed it?! :)

[bigddan11]

Sean Teague was in the episode. The full list of guest voice actors is as follows:

Chris Bevins
Andrew Rye
James Fields
Sean Teague
Adrian Cook
Steve Cutter
Jessica Damuke
Greg Ayres

[PickHut]

I figured she was some type of professional of something by the time they showed the scene where the one guy tried to run over Richard. But I was guessing she was a secret agent sent to protect Richard:sweat: . And I'm pretty sure alot of people enjoyed seeing Richard getting screwed like that hanging:p .

Nice, fun episode with interesting clues, I give Better Off Forgotten an A-.

[Sanwich]

My really late response, even though I did actually stay up to watch Conan last night. Or this morning. o_-

I was actually wondering if Maya was faking amnesia, so it surprised me to find out it was legitimate. Yeesh, Richard helps the girl remember who she is, and how does she repay him? Going back to her assassin ways without a second thought. c_c A neat episode overall, though.

Here's a question for all the dub experts out there - my apologies if it's been asked before. Is Conan's voice actor actually a kid? I know the practice is generally having adults do kid-like voices, even women playing boys and whatnot... But if Conan's VA is an adult, they're incredibly convincing. o_o

[Frank15]

be Richard they go after. Conan is giving away his identity as a Detective a bit too often to the crooks. The ones that don't mourn will want revenge.I dunno'... Mya seemed to be almost humbled to have been beaten by, seemingly, a small child. Either way, she seemed awfully level-headed for being caught, and just doesn't seem like the type who would try to get revenge.

[Behonkiss]

Here's a question for all the dub experts out there - my apologies if it's been asked before. Is Conan's voice actor actually a kid? I know the practice is generally having adults do kid-like voices, even women playing boys and whatnot... But if Conan's VA is an adult, they're incredibly convincing. o_oNope, he's a woman. Alison Retzloff.

[shogunthethird]

quick show of hands, how many here knew the guy with the beard was the culprit the first time they saw him?


and who here knew something was up with Maya when she went all "Spider-man" the first time?


and how many here are wondering why the hell they still have ATHF at midnight and bumped this back a half-hour for Inuyasha reruns from back when the show and the acting still sucked? (I'm sorry but I can't stand "airhead mode" Kagome, and the show was moronic as hell until Naraku showed up)

[PaQ]

Hmm, almost forgot to comment on the actual episode. Well it was another interesting episode, not really looking for a suspect, but more what the woman's connection to the guy after Richard.

Enjoyed Richard's crack about his luck changing when he sees the beautiful woman.. only to retract that when she falls on them.
I had no clue that the woman would be an assasin, since the wire in the necklace wasn't revealed till the latter moments of the episode. She really confused me, whether she was really amnesiac or just pretending.
Conan kicking the baseball and saving the day, damn that's a lethal kick..
And I still can't get enough of the villains saying astonishingly "A detective??" whenever Conan introduces himself, and then compliment him as they get taken into custody and he has to cover that up in front of Richard and Rachel.
I give "Identity Amnesia" an A-.

[Leathie]

I wish that Richard would have stopped hitting on that Maya woman. That really annoyed me the whole ep. The plot line was obvious from about the middle of the ep. In my opinion not a very good ep.

THE RATING IS!!!!!
B-

[JetMaster5]

This episode was a good change of pace. I almost wanted Richard to get hanged and I was almost rooting for Maya. Almost. Dunno why, since Richard is still annoying.

[Sanwich]

Nope, he's a woman. Alison Retzloff.
Wow - that's pretty impressive, then... One of the most convincing kid-voices I've heard. Thanks for the info!

[PaQ]

I think maybe Nikki(sp?) is the kidnapper..

Conan when remembering about her, said she was a loner, perhaps she was looking for attention. And when Conan was thinking of the kidnapper escaping, he just thought of 1 not with Nikki.. So perhaps.. She want's money.. or something.. :shrug:

[MrBananagrabber]

Wow, this episode was pretty boring. They already had a watch tan line as the solution to that mystery with the festival and mountains, I can't believe they're reusing it, and so soon.

Did anyone else see how similar the father was to Shishio? Survival of the fittest, and he was that close to being burnt alive. Too bad there weren't any red haired transvestites for him to snack on =P

[randi]

I couldn't listen enough to this epsoide to figure it out. This wasn't a too bad epsoide. They didn't edit a staute without clothes on. Weird. Conan didn't use the shoes. Darn.

Wee woo wee woo
Edited looking nine o clock

[Frank15]

Conan didn't use the shoes. Darn.But why would he have used the shoes?

Elizabeth: I'm sorry I'm so sad, Conan. I feel awful for having lost my family.
Conan: Aww, that's--syke!
*Conan runs to a random object on the ground, kicking it hard into Elizabeth's head, knocking her out*
Conan: People like you just sicken me. Heck, you make that elevator lady look like a saint! Heck, George should just eat you. Sicko.
Nikki: Conan! What did you do to her?!
Conan: Oh, no need to thank me. Just making the world a better place.
Nikki: Jerk!

[PickHut]

Mmm, this one just seemed way too obvious to me, I'm surprised Conan didn't figure it out more quicker. I immediately thought it was the assistant the moment she was introduced and I had the whole case figured out after they found the single scuba gear. Wow, the father must've been a really bad parent to have her daughter care more about the assiastant, even after kidnapping her and almost killing him.

I give Counterfeit Ransom Kidnapping a B.

[Freedom Fighter]

Ringing in my consensus... the 1 a.m. showings are really hurting my already sleep-deprived and overworked life. I need a job that doesn't require me to drag myself out of bed at seven everyday.

Anyway, catching up... reviews for this week's first two mysteries...

Monday - "Better Off Forgotten" (2.5 out of 4)
Honestly, Yancey's not very bright, for if he really tried to kill Richard, he would've had to at least taken out Rachel and Conan too, and maybe even Maya, since at the time she was still amnesiac. For the second Monday in a row, we get a case out of the norm... this time, it's all about Conan keeping Richard safe from harm. And why were you all laughing when Maya nearly choked Rich to death? Without him, who do you expect Conan to tranquilize and explain who done it? Don't say Rachel, 'cause you know she'd figure it out way before she'd get 'used to it.' Also, you're going through a woman's belongings looking for clues to jog her memory. Shouldn't it make sense for Rachel to search through Maya's clothes before Richard and Conan did? Then again, considering the states of mind both of the guys were in...

On another note, Maya should've been hurting a whole lot worse if she was hit by a baseball at the speed it came off Conan's foot.

Tuesday - "The Counterfeit Ransom Kidnapping" (2.5 out of 4)
Wow, back-to-back days with non-standard cases? Writers must've been stretching to keep the show fresh again. Anyway, a little better than Monday's episode, though I didn't pick out Elizabeth until Conan first pointed out the marks left by the diving suit. And it seems Richard and Rachel don't care as much for Conan's safety as we're led to believe... they let the kid run off wherever and whenever he pleases, as long as he doesn't get into trouble and is home by you-know-what? Speaking of Conan's safety... I thought Conan was in for it when he got caught by Nikki's dad (don't remember his name, sorry) and Elizabeth snooping on their conversation. And to add one more no-no... Conan hiding in the trunk of the car, when he knows back in Episode 9 what happened when Amy did the exact same thing!

Is this episode that old? The date of the paper said 7-16-1996, which led me to believe this episode first premiered on or around that date. How old is this series again?


Tomorrow's (or rather, tonight's) episode looks interesting. Not for the attacking dog... but because we're back to Rachel wondering where Jimmy (aka the grown-up Conan) will finally return. It's great we don't touch on it with every new mystery, but it's a recurring theme that needs to be dealt with. Let's hope it's not like last time, when Rachel nearly took Conan's head off after hearing him from the bathroom! :sweat:

[Moonbay]

Pretty good eppy, but I did suspect the assistant right about where she scolded the dad for the fake money. Then it all added up with the tan lines and muder story.

Murder story = revenge! Dun dun dun. That was so sad how Nikki ignored her dad, but I don't know if he really desearved it. He tried to save her, then gave up. *shrug*

The picture of the next hint looked like it was edited. Probably doing the same thing as in the swordsman murder, adjusting the time by a teensy few minutes for some reason.

[Frank15]

Murder story = revenge! Dun dun dun. That was so sad how Nikki ignored her dad, but I don't know if he really desearved it. He tried to save her, then gave up. *shrug*I kinda' had the impression that she probably wasn't the closest with her Father, that he was busy doing business stuff a lot, and not showing her much attention/affection, or something like that.

Perhaps looking deeper into it than I should, I have to wonder if Nikki would have preferred for her Dad to have given up all the money, perhaps if just subconsciously. Maybe she figures that if her Dad did not have all the money, and couldn't be so involved in business stuff, that he'd have more time to just be a dad.

Elizabeth and Nikki were obviously close: I don't believe that Elizabeth had ever actually intended to kill Nikki, and I'm sure Elizabeth felt awful for having kidnapped her to begin with. From Nikki's reaction upon being released, I'm sure Elizabeth's more upset with herself for hurting Nikki than Nikki is mad at Elizabeth for kidnapping her. Likely, Nikki thought of her as just a big sister, and loved her like a sister, as Elizabeth was probably a much bigger part of Nikki's life than her father was.

That probably means I loved the episode. I don't usually feel such "caring" for one-shot characters, but I did today.

...and I'm looking way too deep into this. I must be stopped.

[bigddan11]

I figured ou that Elizabeth was the kidnapper early on just from the way she refused to let the father get anyone else involved. Luckily Conan saved the day once more through his talk. Jennifer Hoiland voiced Elizabeth, Jamie Marchi was Nicky, Kent Williams was the boat captain, and then the other guest voice actors were:

Eddie Hord
Josh Martin
Jeremy Loris
Daniel Katsuk
I gave this episode a B+, a 7 out of 10, 3.25 out of 4 stars, etc.

[tucsoncoyote]

Getting back to the Case Closed: saga, after the 4th of July was a bit harder for myself.. (Considering I missed Monday night's Episode (About the Assassin (the Fit Hot looking Female assassin (Can we say... KILL BILL Here?) I decided to try may hand at Tuesday night's episode.. The Counterfeit Ransom Kidnapping.

The plot around this Case Closed: story was simplicity itself, and for good reason. After all it was a clever ruse of deception and counterdeception here..and for good reason.

A girl of a wealthy, ruthless businessman gets kidnapped and the father (the afforementioend businessman) has to cough up hte 5 Million in ransom cash..to get his daughter back, but the plan backfires and what happens next makes the kidnapping look like a botched ransom exchange and then of course a Murder/Homicide...

But already my keen Nose (and ears) were looking for clues.. and the first key that tipped my off to the assistant was perhaps the assistant saying she had allergies

(Sampo if you have screen grabs of the Assisstant Holding her nose (about her "Allergies") you will see folks this was the KEY element I needed to learn she was the Kiddnapper (or one of them..(as we didn't know there were others.. until.

(Picture of the Scuba Gear) we saw the Scuba gear... and only one suit... (that combined with the broken window in the Hostage van and a hammer made me realize rather quickly we were dealing with a One person job.

but before the first break, I already had figured it had to be "An inside job.. and my own suspicions were already on the assisstant, Elizabeth, as you could see in the last 10 minutes, seeing her mood change from Caring concerned sister-like character to that of a spiteful witch..

but I still lacked motive and I had 3..for her.. Revenge, Greed, or spite... (I chose option 1 and I was by 20 minutes in having the reason why she was doing it. and she would have been nailed on the spot.)

The reason was getting revenge for the loss of her Father, Mother and Her brother (who Jimmy is a dead ringer for (Picture please) Her Father was run out of Business by the Father, and she decided to exact Revenge, and nearly tood the guy out to a major Grilling.. Complete with White Gas..and a Cigarette Lighter.. but thanks to Jimmy/Conan, and his psychology (god this kid is a wizard when it comes to thinking about psychology), the Criminal is caught, and the Hard lesson learned here isn't by the Kidnapper but rather by the Father.. (Mister, if you have a Kidnapped Daughter, and you think more of your company.. dude, pay the ransom.. for a company CAN be rebuilt.. a human life can't..)


but all in all The Counterfeit Ransom Kidnapping was a simple walk in the park for this Smart Detective.. I give it for the clue hunting a B but for over all plot a C+..(the clues were way too obvious and this would have made a perfect story case for a rookie detective, and was a cake walk for a professional/Amateur like myself..)

oh and Sampo, one final picture request on this one.. that Simple "GOOFY" look of Conan as he's getting hugged by the Criminal (Elizabeth) as she says that he looks or acts a lot like her brother Mason..) I think that was perhaps the cutest shot of the night..

and don't worry, I'll be there tonight when Case Closed has tonight's Case Appropriately called.. Jacks Attacks!

Ciao for now

:coyote:

[Andrew T. Hingson]

That was indeed an easy one. I mean the title alone tells you that it wasn't a "real" kidnapping" but an inside job.

[randi]

But why would he have used the shoes?

Elizabeth: I'm sorry I'm so sad, Conan. I feel awful for having lost my family.
Conan: Aww, that's--syke!
*Conan runs to a random object on the ground, kicking it hard into Elizabeth's head, knocking her out*
Conan: People like you just sicken me. Heck, you make that elevator lady look like a saint! Heck, George should just eat you. Sicko.
Nikki: Conan! What did you do to her?!
Conan: Oh, no need to thank me. Just making the world a better place.
Nikki: Jerk!
Well he could be alittle bit later and she like was going to drop it in but like about to and Conan didn't have time to talk her out of it maybe he could like kick the lighter out of the way maybe. Or something.

[Ultra8]

Mon's episode was good, I didn't relize she was an assasin till she pulled the line out of her cool loooking necklace during the falling rock scene.

Tue's was interesting, an I was able to figure it out by seeing the kidnapper's foot in the earlier scenes when the cars going in the water, it was slim so my mind figured it might be a woman, then the other clues just made more sense. I feel sorry for Elizabeth but she might get off easy, as for the Father I don't think he had any intention of paying because if you look at the scene where the case opens up after the van goes into the drink you can see that the flying money all has newspaper backs. Talk about coldhearted.
[Can you Please get a pic Sampo.]

A+
A+

[Sanwich]

Curses, foiled again. I must be losing my knack for solving the cases or something - most of the time I was thinking the girl staged her own kidnapping and there really was no other criminal - though I did notice something suspicious about that Nikki person. Just took me a while to figure it out completely. o_x

Is it just me, or do the hint voice-overs get more lively each day? First, it was 'mmm... piece of bread'. Then, '*bubble-voice* scuuuba gear'... And last night it was Nine o' cloooock! in a singsong voice. ;)

[Sampo]

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Negotations go sour and the kidnapper drives off, while the father of Nikki is left staring at his useless paper money. Nearly everyone believed the kidnapper and Nikki drowned till another ransom is made which leads to the identity of the person behind this scheme.

Not sure, something is missing from this episode to make it enjoyable for me. Although it was very creative how Elizabeth setup the impersonate the victim deal and driving off into the river bit to throw off the cops.

Not much else to comment on. Although I agree the ending was a bit freaky as Nikki was more concerned about Elizabeth than her father (although he was a jerk...)



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(Sampo if you have screen grabs of the Assisstant Holding her nose (about her "Allergies") you will see folks this was the KEY element I needed to learn she was the Kiddnapper (or one of them..(as we didn't know there were others.. until.
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Ok here you go. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/clearing%20ears.jpg)




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oh and Sampo, one final picture request on this one.. that Simple "GOOFY" look of Conan as he's getting hugged by the Criminal (Elizabet) as she says that he looks or acts a lot like her brother Mason..) I think that was perhaps the cutest shot of the night..

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Is this the pic you described? (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/hug.jpg)


But why would he have used the shoes?

Elizabeth: I'm sorry I'm so sad, Conan. I feel awful for having lost my family.
Conan: Aww, that's--syke!
*Conan runs to a random object on the ground, kicking it hard into Elizabeth's head, knocking her out*
Conan: People like you just sicken me. Heck, you make that elevator lady look like a saint! Heck, George should just eat you. Sicko.
Nikki: Conan! What did you do to her?!
Conan: Oh, no need to thank me. Just making the world a better place.
Nikki: Jerk!This is my wacky version of the above. Heh :sweat:

Elizabeth: Conan!
Conan: Put out the lighter he isn't worth it!
Elizabeth: No! He doesn't deserve to live! Not after what he did to my family!
Conan: If you... ah screw it!
*Background music pics up in beat*
*Conan finds some object, fires up his super shoes and sends it flying into Elizabeth's head*
Nikki's father: What the heck?
*Conan runs around with his arms in the air*
Jimmy screaming: GOoOOOoOOoAAAAaAaaaalLLLLL!



...
Is it just me, or do the hint voice-overs get more lively each day? First, it was 'mmm... piece of bread'. Then, '*bubble-voice* scuuuba gear'... And last night it was Nine o' cloooock! in a singsong voice. ;)Now that you mention it, yeah the hints are getting more lively. I was laughing when Conan said "sccuubaa geaaarr" in that bubbly voice. :sweat: I hope they keep it up.

Ultra8, the above pic of the father with his fake cash ok? I didn't see your post till I made mine. Oops.

[tucsoncoyote]

Ok here you go. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/clearing%20ears.jpg)
Bingo.. those are the ones I were looking for.. I mean come on, Look at the "allergies" (I used to be on the Swim Team.. and That was a good way to releived pressure on water on the ears..)




Is this the pic you described? (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/hug.jpg)
Also Note that Look on Conan's Face was priceless... I could also Imagine a goofy moment that could be described as funny. and it's on this last Picture,.. the one with that look

Elizabeth: Oh Conan, you're so much like my younger brother Mason.(Hugs him)
Conan (Goofy Look Thought): I hope she doesn't mine if I feel her up now does she? After all I might try this with Rachel some time when she gives me a Hug!:D

(I'm just waiting for an episode when Conan gets into an episode predicament (Like Monday with that fit assassin) with Rachel.. or god forbid.. (Amy!)

:coyote:

[Anime Freak]

Ya know what i'm starting to get a little annoyed. What was the point of Conan getting all these devices if he never uses them? The only ones he ever uses is the stun gun, voice changer and super scooby shoes! And what about Dr.Agasa?He's supposed to be a main character yet you hardly see him these days.

[lostrune]

Yet another get-close-to-the-target-for-revenge. Yes, it is an anime-only ep. The original title was even more spoilerish: "A Fake Kidnapping Fraud Incident" - maybe that's why they changed the title. :shrug:

1. When she hurt her ears, I knew the secretary was the scuba diver (thru the hint from the previous ep) because I know that you can hurt your ears scuba diving. I also knew then that since it's a girl, she could fake being the hostage in the van. :)
The next question for me was if she was working alone.

2. So, now we know that CN is OK with bare breasts................. of statues. :p

3. So.......... how did Conan open the car trunk from the inside? If the trunk was open all the time, the warning signal would've shown up on the car's dashboard for the driver to see. :confused:

4a. AH! They changed the hint! I guess the original hint was a bit too easy and all written in kanji too. :shrug:

4b. Though I'm confused why (in the next ep) FUNi still changed the name to "Jack" when the original name was John/Jon/Jan. :confused:

4c. Oh yeah, as for the next episode, ya guys should watch out for: Richard finally makes his moves!!! And it's the swimsuit episode!!! ;)
And you'd definitely like the preview!!! (If CN keeps it or a couple in there, that is.) :anime:
But you will hate the weekend!!! Trust me. :D



I think Conan is begining to get old to some people. It used to be like in page two or three by now but now its only fourteen replies to the thread. I don't like the looks of this.

Yeah, I was wondering about that. Though we are in a spate of anime-only episodes right now. :shrug:

But who here still watches live at 1am EST? :D




Is this episode that old? The date of the paper said 7-16-1996, which led me to believe this episode first premiered on or around that date. How old is this series again?

That particular ep originally aired 7-22-1996. We're almost exactly 8 years to the daydate. :)




Is it just me, or do the hint voice-overs get more lively each day? First, it was 'mmm... piece of bread'. Then, '*bubble-voice* scuuuba gear'... And last night it was Nine o' cloooock! in a singsong voice. ;)

Well, they better. For the last several eps now, the original hints had extra "soundFX" (mostly funny) on them, like the ghost sounds for the haunted house ep. :)




Also Note that Look on Conan's Face was priceless... I could also Imagine a goofy moment that could be described as funny. and it's on this last Picture,.. the one with that look

Elizabeth: Oh Conan, you're so much like my younger brother Mason.(Hugs him)
Conan (Goofy Look Thought): I hope she doesn't mine if I feel her up now does she? After all I might try this with Rachel some time when she gives me a Hug!:D

(I'm just waiting for an episode when Conan gets into an episode predicament (Like Monday with that fit assassin) with Rachel.. or god forbid.. (Amy!)

Oh, you won't have to wait long... not very long at all.... :D

[PaQ]

Ugh.. I was way off.. well close, but I didn't think that Elizabeth would use herself to look like Nikki makes sense now though. This was a good episode, I was close but no cigar. After my guess, I had figured Elizabeth was also involved, but that whole backstory was nuts...

It seems like CC always has it revealed that the guilty person has this huge backstory that led them to do what they did, and this episode was no different. Nikki's dad took over Elizabeth's family's company and Elizabeth's dad didn't take it well.. Poor Mason.
When I was reading the synopsis for this episode, I was wondering if I had the wrong description.. The diving watch and suntan on Elizabeth weren't revealed till the latter parts of the episode, and by then, I could tell from her motives that she was behind the kidnapping, so I just thought it was an odd synopsis.
I guess maybe I'm getting caught up with the kicking.. so I was surprised when he didn't go to kick the lighter out of her hands, and reasoned with Elizabeth instead.
And in the preview for next episode, finally Rachel gets back to wondering about Jimmy.. I mean, doesn't she love the guy? Yet he's been gone for awhile now (we're in the 25+ episode range now) and she seems to be just living not worrying.
I give "The Counterfeit Ransom Kidnapping" a B+.

[The Gunnshuu]

4b. Though I'm confused why (in the next ep) FUNi still changed the name to "Jack" when the original name was John/Jon/Jan. :confused:"Jack" is another variation of "John", and I guess they wanted to make the title catchy.

[Duke]

Wow, this episode was pretty boring. They already had a watch tan line as the solution to that mystery with the festival and mountains, I can't believe they're reusing it, and so soon.Well, this episode is over a dozen episodes after the festival one, right? Then the episodes were separated by 3 or 4 months in Japan, unlike the few weeks it was here.


3. So.......... how did Conan open the car trunk from the inside? If the trunk was open all the time, the warning signal would've shown up on the car's dashboard for the driver to see. :confused:I believe starting in the mid-90's, cars started having levers in the trunk so that if a kid got stuck inside they could get themselves out.


And it seems Richard and Rachel don't care as much for Conan's safety as we're led to believe... they let the kid run off wherever and whenever he pleases, as long as he doesn't get into trouble and is home by you-know-what? And this is different from any other anime, how? Japanese parents let their kids do pretty much everything by themselves. :P

I missed the first 5 minutes, so I didn't figure everything out until the tan lines. At first I thought it was another self-kidnapping like in Episode 2, but then I figured Elizabeth was behind it. Also, didn't Conan say at the end that Nikki knew everything?

Also, what is it with $5 million? Wasn't that the ransom in Episode 2? And in the PR DT episode "Lost and Found in Translation," the two Ranger's eyes bugged out when they heard Wacky Wilson was getting paid $5million a year. Amazing, I didn't know $5 million was that astronomical.

[Sampo]

...
Also, what is it with $5 million? Wasn't that the ransom in Episode 2? And in the PR DT episode "Lost and Found in Translation," the two Ranger's eyes bugged out when they heard Wacky Wilson was getting paid $5million a year. Amazing, I didn't know $5 million was that astronomical.
Dang, good memory! Although the amount the kidnapper demanded was $3 million in that episode.

[lostrune]

4b. Though I'm confused why (in the next ep) FUNi still changed the name to "Jack" when the original name was John/Jon/Jan. :confused:
"Jack" is another variation of "John",

Huh? How's that?





3. So.......... how did Conan open the car trunk from the inside? If the trunk was open all the time, the warning signal would've shown up on the car's dashboard for the driver to see. :confused:
I believe starting in the mid-90's, cars started having levers in the trunk so that if a kid got stuck inside they could get themselves out.

That's what I'm thinking too, but I haven't found one in my 2003 car. :confused:




Also, didn't Conan say at the end that Nikki knew everything?

I'm not sure about the dub, but originally, Nikki was only fed bits 'n pieces info by the secretary.

Edit: Oops, actually I edited my previous post instead. :sweat:

[ClockStomper]

This is the second case of statues with nippled breasts on CN...thew first was a TNBA episode (when Batman chases a little person hired to play Scarface.)

[Swordfish_II]

Huh? How's that?
Jack is nickname for John. I don't know why, though. Four letter is four letters. Plus John is easier to type, isn't it? I mean, all the letters are under one hand.

[HumanoidTyphoon]

"Jack" is another variation of "John", and I guess they wanted to make the title catchy.Huh? How's that?I think he means it's one of those fairly common names.

[SirLemming]

John F. Kennedy is sometimes referred to as Jack Kennedy.

[Nin-Nin69]

17 minutes w/out commercials. Best mistake ever. :D

[randi]

What was with the doors closing and then you see the little Conan head with his line and then the doors opened up again? Oh my god. Next epsoide is the one that person was talking about. Conan getting a nose bleed LOL. Unlike Jack that girls dog was trainned to attack any one that came on to her. Sango should get one of those.

Gun

[PaQ]

looks like they moved the commercial break for some reason.. I thought it was gonna go without one for a second there..

[NeueZielZeon]

The clues in this particular case seemed to me, to be a parallel of The Manchurian Candidate, in which a certain command is activated by observing a specific object, and then a phrase/action to carry out the hypnosis after the trigger mechanism had been activated.

The ringing of the phone acted as the triggering mechanism, followed by the 9:00 bells and the specific phrase to carry out the dog's vicious attack. I'm surprised I didn't come to this conclusion sooner.

Gah, I was fooled with the same hypothesis that Conan originally had about the bells by themselves (though I thought it was the bells from the beginning, not the actual call itself)...

[Killtacular]

I really enjoyed this episode because it shows you WHY Richard is able to be called Detective. He does have brains and logic.

[Nin-Nin69]

Great episode. Although I am confused about the dog somehow was at the top of the steps when Conan and Richard barged in.

Next episode looks like fan service galore. How about a gif of Conan Nosebleed? :D



What was with the doors closing and then you see the little Conan head with his line and then the doors opened up again?
That was the bumper for Case Closed that TMS made for Funi.

[Happy]

I got this case completely figured out when Conan heard the clock while visiting the house. Also this is the second victim I didn't feel sorry for.

[Chad Bonin]

Mmm... Rachel in the hot springs.

[MattThomasM2B]

Argh. I got totally derailed by the girl in the house. I kept thinking that she set the dog up to take the fall and had some last minute reason to off the victim....

............Didn't feel sorry for the victim at all though.

[Anime Freak]

Not much explanation at the end on how it was done,but i'm guessing that the attack was triggered by the dog hearing him say that over the phone while the clock was chiming? Is that right? And its true that Richard does have brains and logic, but Conan just has better brains and logic. :p And tomorrow's eppy, heh! Conan fanservice!!!!! Okay that wont happen, but I thought it sounded cool. STill,the conan nosebleed was hilarious.

By the way, was that commercial thing a mistake or on purpose?

[Perfect Cell]

It was a good episode... felt for Jack.. glad he wasnt put to sleep. and yeah Richard Moore is starting to become a likable character


Now tomorows episode... Looks like funny stuff.....

[Eddy]

Wow, we went for awhile without commercials, didn't we? And is it just me, or is Richard becoming a better detective? Anyway, this was a really good episode.

Hmm, next episode looks like their will be some hot springs and Conan getting a bloody nose.

[Fatneck]

Another good episode, keeping things fresh and still entertaining. One thing that I find interesting about this show is how most of the time the victim is a turd you could care less about and you end up feeling sorry for the murderer.

[Cactusjack1999]

Of cource Richard goes for the "cut and dry" detective method. See something make generalization, point finger. No matter how wrong.

Conan on the other hand uses some rather rudimentary forensics and psychology to solve the cases.

I also have a sneeking suspicion that CN won't air the next 2 episodes (if I remember tehy arent' going to air them because they aren't finished yet according to funi's own website) because of the content. Mostly Conan's breaking of anime law number 40.

#40 - Law of Nasal Sanguination
(from Ryan Pritchard and Jason Aylen)

When sexually aroused, males in Anime don't get erections, they get nosebleeds. No one's sure why this is, though... the current theory suggests that larger eyes means smaller sinuses and thinner sinus tissue. Females don't get nosebleeds, but invariably get one heck of a blush along the cheeks and across the nose, suggesting a lot of bloodflow to that region
Of cource these "laws" were compiled by fans and really aren't a rock solid rule in broadcasting. But the innuendo is there and the "bathing" thought bubble as well from the preview might be the reason it might be cut from broadcast.

But this is simply my opinion and doesnt' reflect the opinions of anyone else.

[Mr. Pedro]

Yet another revenge story. This time complete with sympathetic animal character.

I liked this one. It didn't take too long to figure out that Peterson did something that set the dog off. It appears that it was a combination of whistle/clock bell/phone message that drove Jack to murder. I had a bit of sympathy for Mr. Peterson since he did lose his kid and since I wasn't very fond of bullies myself in my school years.

Grade: B

Another two-parter tomorow. I'm definately looking foward to it (even if there is the slight inconvinience of having to wait three days for the conclusion).

[TnAdct1]

What was with the doors closing and then you see the little Conan head with his line and then the doors opened up again? Oh my god.
That was very likely the "made for America" eyecatch for Case Closed. As for why it was shown, it was probably due to the following two reasons:

1. CN not wanting to cut to commercial until they had the bit where Rachael is wondering about Jimmy's whereabouts.

2. CN forgetting to edit out the "real" eye catch.

Tomorrow night: FANSERVICE!!!

[randi]

I also have a sneeking suspicion that CN won't air the next 2 episodes (if I remember tehy arent' going to air them because they aren't finished yet according to funi's own website) because of the content. Mostly Conan's breaking of anime law number 40.

#40 - Law of Nasal Sanguination
(from Ryan Pritchard and Jason Aylen)

When sexually aroused, males in Anime don't get erections, they get nosebleeds. No one's sure why this is, though... the current theory suggests that larger eyes means smaller sinuses and thinner sinus tissue. Females don't get nosebleeds, but invariably get one heck of a blush along the cheeks and across the nose, suggesting a lot of bloodflow to that region
Of cource these "laws" were compiled by fans and really aren't a rock solid rule in broadcasting. But the innuendo is there and the "bathing" thought bubble as well from the preview might be the reason it might be cut from broadcast.

But this is simply my opinion and doesnt' reflect the opinions of anyone else.
They better not. Funi may stink but if they do that I will never forgive them.

[Yash]

Sampo, please get following pictures:

1) "Charlie-Brown Eyes" Conan
2) Nosebleed Conan
3) Rachel Scrubbing Conan

For each one of those pictures I don't find... I'll kill you.

(just kidding... although landing a guest role on Case Closed would be nice... yeah, stupid joke, but see if I care...)

[SamCurt]

That was very likely the "made for America" eyecatch for Case Closed. As for why it was shown, it was probably due to the following two reasons:

1. CN not wanting to cut to commercial until they had the bit where Rachael is wondering about Jimmy's whereabouts.

2. CN forgetting to edit out the "real" eye catch.

Tomorrow night: FANSERVICE!!!
No. Doors are from the original, from ep1 up to now. Closes before ad break, opens at its end.

[Nin-Nin69]

CN let nose bleeds fly in episode 3 of TM OVA everytime it ran. They even put the "You're a naughty boy, Tenchi" in the promos.

What's the big deal with nose bleeds being edited? I know the factor about sexual intentions aren't the problem, but flowing blood seems to be an issue and is edited out. Sometimes edits can change the direction of the story and ruin the overall mood. (ie the poorly executed Tomato Soup gag from Dragon Ball.)

It's not like the character got kicked in the crotch or was bashed upside the head. Besides Lupin/FLCL can be more raunchy w/out the use of blood.

[Killtacular]

I also have a sneeking suspicion that CN won't air the next 2 episodes (if I remember tehy arent' going to air them because they aren't finished yet according to funi's own website) because of the content.
You can always look at the schedule before posting. It's going to air.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

does funi/as think they know where to put a commercial break better then tms? :confused: at the end of the episode Richard really reminded me of Brock from Pokemon the way he slid up on that girl and hit on her lol the why and how of tonights case was figured out by me early on so score one for the rabbit :) good stuffs

[Anime Freak]

As long as there's not tons of nudity then it will air, but even if there was Funi would probably have edited it. :rolleyes:

[TnAdct1]

No. Doors are from the original, from ep1 up to now. Closes before ad break, opens at its end.
I know the doors are from the original. What I meant was the Case Closed logo that appeared in between the doors opening and closing.

[Master Moron]

Wait, why did Detective Moore believe the dogs owner? I mean, couldn't he have in theory used a different phrase on the phone and then lie to the detective?

[PickHut]

Heh, with what was shown in last episode's preview and the introduction of the dog's owner, I assumed he was involved in the killing somehow. Then the woman became a possible suspect for a little bit, but when they started to focus on the owner's son's suicide and his bully, it became obvious that he ordered Jack to kill the man. But the only thing left was to figure out how he went about it, that's what really threw me off. Good episode, guess Richard got a bit too close to that woman towards the end, and no one cared:D . As for the preview: I had a feeling something like that would've happened ever since Conan moved in with Rachel back in episode 2....

I give Jack Attacks! an A-.

[Duke]

Wait, why did Detective Moore believe the dogs owner? I mean, couldn't he have in theory used a different phrase on the phone and then lie to the detective?
The assistant who was with the owner when he talked to Jack backs up his alibi.

I admit I'm just like Conan. I figured that it was the whole "Talk while the clock is ringing" bit until they started performing the experiment before the commercial break. I didn't figure out the phone until the experiment started.

As for the eyecatch, it's been shown before, but most people miss it because CN automatically fades to black right before commercial. You can catch it most episodes it you look for it.

[herbkir]

That was a complex string of commands Peterson used to trigger the dog to attack -- phone rings, clock chimes, voice speaks. The Manchurian Canine.

I knew he'd turned the dog into a murder weapon right away, but every time I thought I knew how he did it, I was wrong, just like Richard and Conan until the end.

Two parter starts tomorrow, with the weekend wait for the conclusion. Bummer. So little Conan will get aroused, eh? Should be amusing. (^_*)

[Frank15]

Richard was awfully competent in the episode. I mean, he was completely right about everything! Sure, he couldn't find the final piece to the puzzle, but for a change of pace, he wasn't just spluttering out random junk.

That was an interesting slip by Conan in the beginning of the episode, pertaining to his age. Considering the kids were just kids, they obviously wouldn't suspect much of anything, though they certainly still found it wierd. Slipping in front of Rachel might be more dangerous to his identity, though.

That random girl in the house seemed like a ditz.

This makes two episodes in a row where the murderer came off looking a lot better than the victim/would-be-victim did.

[Moonbay]

Too easy! I jump to the conclusion it was Mr. Peterson the very first time. Then it really clicked when Conan noticed the cordless/non cordless phone deal, then the chiming. Wasn't this a real case years and years ago? Slightly different, but a man really did train his dog to attack from a certain ring of a phone at a clock's chime.

Richard used his brains... rightly... this time. But even *I* figured it out, which is rare. ^^;; Though he did get pushed along by Conan's observations of the clock and phone. I think all those knock out's from Conan and his wonderful skills have found a way into his brain. =D haha

Was the hint to this episode (nine o'clooock!) really that, uh, hintfull? I think they should've just said clock or chime. 0.o...

[Sampo]

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM5.jpghttp://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/SM6.jpg


Jack, a dog that both Jimmy and Rachel knew way back when they were children, is accused of killing a young man. Detective Richard Moore puts various clues together and solves the case! Or he doesn't... As he was missing one key thing to pin the murder on the owner.

I knew it had to do something with the sound of the clock's chimes. So I was amazed along with Richard and Conan that it didn't work when they tried their first reenactment of the crime. Dang nice, it required both the ring from the phone AND the clock gongs. I didn't see that coming. Good episode!

I still love the various interactions between Richard and Conan. I especially liked the scene when Richard was trying to make Conan clam up (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/quiteconan.jpg). At least he didn't hammer him on the head this time.

I also liked their product placement, like that "Ony" brand CD/Cassette boom box. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/ony.jpg)



...
Unlike Jack that girls dog was trainned to attack any one that came on to her. Sango should get one of those.
LOL, yup sic 'em boy! Get that pervert!!! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/getemdoggie.jpg)


I know the doors are from the original. What I meant was the Case Closed logo that appeared in between the doors opening and closing.Yup, TnAdct1 is talking about this logo. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/funi%20logo.jpg)



...
Next episode looks like fan service galore. How about a gif of Conan Nosebleed? :D
...
Sure here you go :D :

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/bloodly%20nose.gif
[edit] Need the space so animated gif is now broken.


Sampo, please get following pictures:

1) "Charlie-Brown Eyes" Conan
2) Nosebleed Conan
3) Rachel Scrubbing Conan

For each one of those pictures I don't find... I'll kill you.

(just kidding... although landing a guest role on Case Closed would be nice... yeah, stupid joke, but see if I care...)1) Uh, I think this is the "Charlie-Brown Eyes" Conan (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/tiny%20eyes.jpg) you were talking about.
2) As for the nosebleed Conan *Sampo points to the above gif*
3) That one, I'm not going to post just yet. Will do so after tomorrows airing though.

Night all.

[SamCurt]

I know the doors are from the original. What I meant was the Case Closed logo that appeared in between the doors opening and closing.
Now I see it after Sampo showed the clip. OK, the new logo covered the original Detective Conan logo (which is in Japanese).

[lostrune]

The original Next Conan's Hint for this ep: "special command." A bit more spoilerish, I guess. :shrug:

1. Some of the changes:

a. Of course the Japanese names and music turning English ("I didn't think so!" :D )
b. John (8 yrs old) --> Jack (10 yrs old)
c. When the boy's suicide occurred, Rachel 3rd year jr high --> 4th grade.
d. The guy house-sitter just invited that one girl over, no party originally.
e. Originally, Mr. Petersen wanted the guy to walk his dog, and that's why he put the dog on the phone because Jack wouldn't move.
f. At the end originally, Mr. Petersen was apologizing to Jack for using Jack as a tool for revenge, whereas in the dub he was apologizing that he won't ever see Jack again (it was a bit weird in the dub that Richard was telling Mr. Petersen about the law since Petersen is a lawyer, who knew using his dog won't save him from the law.) :sad:

2. Now ya guys had your "swimsuit episode" :p
and Detective Richard Moore finally made "his moves." :D

3. Next up is a 2-parter, and thus you'd hate the weekend for it. :D

The dub kinda "softened" the preview though, as I predicted: whereas the dub Rachel said that "Conan was too embarrassed to look at me," originally they washed each other backs! (And one has to "look" to do that.) :eek: :o

Ah... the joys of being a kid. (And it wasn't an "adult swim" hotspring neither - kids are allowed in.) And Conan originally responded: "If she knew the truth, she would kill me for sure...." :anime:

[see201]

I also liked their product placement, like that "Ony" brand CD/Cassette boom box. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/ony.jpg)
If you look closely, there are often objects labeled with company names that are just slightly changed from the names of real companies. It's kind of a recurring joke in Conan.

As for the nose-bleed, the preview gives too much away! It's much funnier if you see the ep and don't know it's coming. Anyway, I doubt funi will edit anything out. Apart from blood and the occasional mutilated corpse, Conan is a pretty clean anime.

I'm eager to hear everyone's theories after the end of tonight's episode! :D

[Trogdor]

What's up with the nosebleed thing in anime, anyway? I remember the same thing happened to Keitaro quite a lot in Love Hina, but still don't understand how it could happen :shrug: I know why it happens, just not how...

Also, on a general note, I love this show, but I hate how they do eyes :eek: I mean, that perfectly rectangular stripe of shine across the iris, the fact that there's never really a pupil, just a dark spot it the top, I just hate it! It's so unreal :(

Hehe, after watching Yoko change and tonight's upcoming episode, it seems like there are a few perks to being stuck in the body of an innocent little 6-year-old ;)

[SirLemming]

Even though this mystery wasn't extremely hard to figure out, I thought it was overall a very good episode, best of the week so far. It was more fun than usual to watch the characters figure it out, regardless of how easy it was for the audience to figure it out.
It was also cool that Richard Moore showed some determination about his theory.

I was also surprised that the girl had nothing to do with it. She seemed like the kind of person that would be the surprise suspect.


Not much explanation at the end on how it was done,but i'm guessing that the attack was triggered by the dog hearing him say that over the phone while the clock was chiming? Is that right?
Well, it was also the phone ring itself that started the sequence. Conan figured that out when he was watching the swimmers: the coach blew the whistle and the kid jumped, and that reminded Conan of the dog jumping, and the whistle was analogous to the phone ring.

[Sampo]

...
2. Now ya guys had your "swimsuit episode" :p
and Detective Richard Moore finally made "his moves." :D
...

LOL, I thought we would see Rachel in a swimsuit or something. Not the kids :) Although I was cracking up about Richard making his smooth moves. Dang, he looks freaky (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/drool.jpg).

[Yash]

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Jack, a dog that both Jimmy and Rachel knew way back when they were children, is accused of killing a young man. Detective Richard Moore puts various clues together and solves the case! Or he doesn't... As he was missing one key thing to pin the murder on the owner.

I knew it had to do something with the sound of the clock's chimes. So I was amazed along with Richard and Conan that it didn't work when they tried their first reenactment of the crime. Dang nice, it required both the ring from the phone AND the clock gongs. I didn't see that coming. Good episode!

I still love the various interactions between Richard and Conan. I especially liked the scene when Richard was trying to make Conan clam up (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/quiteconan.jpg). At least he didn't hammer him on the head this time.

I also liked their product placement, like that "Ony" brand CD/Cassette boom box. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/ony.jpg)

LOL, yup sic 'em boy! Get that pervert!!! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/getemdoggie.jpg)

Yup, TnAdct1 is talking about this logo. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/funi%20logo.jpg)

Sure here you go :D :

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/bloodly%20nose.gif


1) Uh, I think this is the "Charlie-Brown Eyes" Conan (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/tiny%20eyes.jpg) you were talking about.
2) As for the nosebleed Conan *Sampo points to the above gif*
3) That one, I'm not going to post just yet. Will do so after tomorrows airing though.

Night all.Yeah, thanks. Sorry to have bothered you.

[Swordfish_II]

What's up with the nosebleed thing in anime, anyway? I remember the same thing happened to Keitaro quite a lot in Love Hina, but still don't understand how it could happen :shrug: I know why it happens, just not how...
I guess it's like some sort of ultra-blush or something.

[Fresh V]

This episode was cool. Well, I guess there is only 4 more episodes until the intro changes.

oh, and I forgot to say this, but the last episode, The Counterfeit Ransom Kidknapping, was the first case I solved before Conan explained it!! Yay!!!! I figured a mystery out for once (as soon as I saw the scuba diver watch on Elizabeth's desk)!! :D

[randi]

What's up with the nosebleed thing in anime, anyway? I remember the same thing happened to Keitaro quite a lot in Love Hina, but still don't understand how it could happen :shrug: I know why it happens, just not how...
I think its just a thing they do. Read that thing that person was saying thinking they wouldn't show that epsoide.



When sexually aroused, males in Anime don't get erections, they get nosebleeds. No one's sure why this is, though... the current theory suggests that larger eyes means smaller sinuses and thinner sinus tissue. Females don't get nosebleeds, but invariably get one heck of a blush along the cheeks and across the nose, suggesting a lot of bloodflow to that region
Why they get nose bleeds no one will ever know.

[LightShadow1890]

Jeez....couldn't watch Case Closed last night....too damn late...:mad:

Okay, like some people said, in anime, when a male gets sexually attracted to a girl, a nosebleed happens. Don't worry, you see it once in a while. I found out before seeing it. It must be an easier way to figure it out than the erection thing.

Wait, what's the title for today's episode??:confused:

[Ultra8]

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Ultra8, the above pic of the father with his fake cash ok? I didn't see your post till I made mine. Oops.
Thanks Sampo that's the one.


:D A very good episode and easy/tricky to solve, too. I thank all those times of watching that episode of Columbo where the guy programs his dog to attack at the words "Rose Bud". But unlike that one this guy didn't make as easy to figure out the commands.
The preview was entertaining, looks like Conan's head was going to burst if he didn't release some blood.:anime:

A++

I remember hearing that the reason for the infamous nose-bleed in anime was due to the fact that a common aphrodiasiac is peanuts and other kinds of nuts, and when kind of overused for expressed purposes they cause your nose to bleed.

Also to my knowledge there is at least one case of a female character in anime getting a nose-bleed, and that's in Azumanga Dio where one of the side charater girls has a dream about Saikano(I think that's her name)[the tall blackhaired girl that want's to be a vet] and the end result is a nosebleed. I haven't seen this episode but I did see it in a small pic in Newtype.

[HumanoidTyphoon]

Wait, what's the title for today's episode??:confused:Richard's Class Reunion Part 1


I also have a sneeking suspicion that CN won't air the next 2 episodes (if I remember tehy arent' going to air them because they aren't finished yet according to funi's own website) because of the content. Mostly Conan's breaking of anime law number 40.

#40 - Law of Nasal Sanguination
(from Ryan Pritchard and Jason Aylen)

When sexually aroused, males in Anime don't get erections, they get nosebleeds. No one's sure why this is, though... the current theory suggests that larger eyes means smaller sinuses and thinner sinus tissue. Females don't get nosebleeds, but invariably get one heck of a blush along the cheeks and across the nose, suggesting a lot of bloodflow to that region
Of cource these "laws" were compiled by fans and really aren't a rock solid rule in broadcasting. But the innuendo is there and the "bathing" thought bubble as well from the preview might be the reason it might be cut from broadcast.

But this is simply my opinion and doesnt' reflect the opinions of anyone else.See FLCL. when Naota "swings the bat" the Intersteller Immigration Bureau (all women) get massive nosebleeds.

[Sampo]

...
Wait, what's the title for today's episode??:confused:Richard's Class Reunion Part 1.


Yeah, thanks. Sorry to have bothered you.I seriously don't mind doing requests. If you want just a pic of Conan's nose bleed, I can post a link for that. I didn't know you wanted that pic to make an avatar and I really don't mind... Although I do mind little about being threatened with bodly harm :sweat: Even it was ment as a joke, I don't find that very humorous. (in my opinon anyway, if that matters any)



...
Also to my knowledge there is at least one case of a female character in anime getting a nose-bleed, and that's in Azumanga Dio where one of the side charater girls has a dream about Saikano(I think that's her name)[the tall blackhaired girl that want's to be a vet] and the end result is a nosebleed. I haven't seen this episode but I did see it in a small pic in Newtype.Saikano = Sakaki?

Gah, what about the scene in FLCL with all those women in the control center having nose bleeds?! :D

*Looks at HumanoidTyphoon's post*

Dang it, Ah typed up too much so won't delete my post. :)

[Master Moron]

I seem to recall an episode of Sailor Stars where Sailor Venus gets a nosebleed, so I don't think it's just guys that get nosebleeds. But, you know, the whole nosebleed thing is kind of gross don't you think? I mean, imagine if you really got nosebleeds when you're aroused? Nothing spoils the mood like squirting blood.

[Ultra8]

Richard's Class Reunion Part 1.

Saikano = Sakaki?

Gah, what about the scene in FLCL with all those women in the control center having nose bleeds?! :D
That's the one Sakaki. Hmmm..... I forgot about that one in FLCL, I haven't seen that one in a while.

[Duke]

LOL, I thought we would see Rachel in a swimsuit or something. Not the kids :) Although I was cracking up about Richard making his smooth moves. Dang, he looks freaky (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/drool.jpg).
He also reminds me of Brock from Pokémon. A lot. Except for the eyes, of course.

[Nftnat]

The dog's from Manchuria? Well, it is the part of China closest to Japan... Never mind.
Keeping in mind that Conan's really 17, the nosebleeds will make more sense; although it's going to be embarrassing for him vis a vis Rachel, in more ways than one.
Applying 20-20 hindsight, we should have seen the trigger sequence earlier. Remember in the flashback, Jack got on edge as soon as the phone rang? Switching out the phones should have made all the pieces fall into place. Not pointing any fingers here; it slipped by me too. Like I said, 20-20 hindsight.
I think Richard is getting better too. Remember at the beginning, Jimmy was the big hero at his expense? He was practically washed up! Then when Jimmy becomes Conan, he wants to keep being a detective. What to do? Hey! His girlfriend's father is a detective, so why not do the little boy thing, ingratiate himself into their household, and solve cases using Richard for a cover. As soon as that situation manifested I figured that Conan would set Richard up in the role of a great detective, and maybe Richard would grow into it. Looks like maybe that's starting to happen.

[jeffrey 228]

He also reminds me of Brock from Pokémon. A lot. Except for the eyes, of course.
I really dout that, but more like in the ways of Lupin, but of course it is a little bit of common sense to answer such a question like that, but het, the guy aways has to get a hooked on with Wemon instead of solving crimes.

[Fatneck]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole nosebleed thing in Japanese culture is that people who get nosebleeds frequently are not sexually satisfied. The whole blood shooting out of the nose is probably just an exaggeration like nearly all the other types of expressions in anime.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Jack was such a cute doggy. This mystery was considerably more complex than the last few. That's a lot of commands to figure out. But I agree we all should have been tipped off by Jack getting up before the incident started.

Honestly I thought Jack was just happy and was showing his affection and accidently knocked him down the stairs. But he did look mean for that short moment.
Tonight's episode should be quite entertaining. Hot Springs always bring out some interesting scenes.

[Trogdor]

Another few questions I have about the show in general:

1) Why did they change the name from 'Detective Conan' to 'Case Closed'? It was better off before the change

2) Why'd they go and give damn near everyone of the characters an English name? What's so bad about Japanese names, especially if it appears on a block like Adult Swim? I don't get it :(

[Daizaburo Estes]

Another few questions I have about the show in general:

1) Why did they change the name from 'Detective Conan' to 'Case Closed'? It was better off before the change

2) Why'd they go and give damn near everyone of the characters an English name? What's so bad about Japanese names, especially if it appears on a block like Adult Swim? I don't get it :(
OHH! TMS! He's talking to youuuuu!

[/sarcasm]

[Freedom Fighter]

Wednesday - "Jack Attacks!" (3 out of 4)
Three in a row without the typical 'eliminate all the other suspects and find the criminal'... though it looks like the upcoming two-parter will return things to normal.

Someone's too attached to things of the past. Mr. Peterson, shame on you for using your own dog, a dog that is liked by everyone in the neighborhood, to kill the man who bullied your son to suicide (even though we didn't really see 'Jack' do much, other than knock the victim into the wall). The JDL makes a small cameo here, as we rejoice in knowing they're not trying to help Conan solve a case (even though some of them haven't been 'cases,' so to speak). I caught the 'bumper' glitch too, but I'm more concerned about this. I think it's the scene where Conan and his class (including the JDL) are in their swimsuits... and then it jumps to the balcony scene, where Rachel pines for Jimmy. It was kinda sudden... are we sure there wasn't a cut there?

Kudos to Richard here! For the second time in 20+ episodes, he actually seems competent, and he was definitely on the right track in this one. Too bad he nearly took it all back when he tried to flirt with the girl with a dog. Looks like someone's a little overzealous...


Tonight's episode should be interesting. I agree, too... Conan's becoming so little of importance to the world around him that no one thinks that it's okay to have him around when you're wearing absolutely nothing... especially if that person has no idea the kid next to her is actually her boyfriend, drugged and shrunk to the size of a 10 year old!

[Cactusjack1999]

They better not. Funi may stink but if they do that I will never forgive them.
Well like I said it was just a thought. Plus according to Matt they are going ot air it.

As it pertains to Mr. Wilson's comments, FUNi cut Gohan daydreaming about apples form an episode of DBZ. I wouldnt' put it past them to edit the next 2 episodes heavily.

Also I've checked the caseclosed.com episode list and it stops at episodes 26 "The Counterfeit Ransom Kidnapping) http://www.caseclosed.com/index2_cc.cfm?page=cases_cc

weird.

[Trogdor]

OHH! TMS! He's talking to youuuuu!

[/sarcasm]
I don't get it, what's TMS? Did I say something stupid? I didn't mean to :(

(Everyone Hates Me Now and I Dont' Know Why :sad:)

[Daizaburo Estes]

I don't get it, what's TMS? Did I say something stupid? I didn't mean to :(

(Everyone Hates Me Now and I Dont' Know Why :sad:)Naaah, you're all right. My comment was directed towards Tokyo Movie Shinsha, animators of Case Closed/Detective Conan. Blame THEM for the dub changes. THEY were the ones who pressured FUNI to go through with this shtick. There.

Sorry about that...

[PaQ]

Well last night was another entertaining episode of Case Closed. It was nice to see a character from Jimmy's youth, in Jack the dog. And how Conan was steadfast in proving that Jack was provoked.

I think most figured out that the time, or more correctly the clock was a vital part of the command, seeing as the clue was nine o'clock, but I didn't think of the phone more than just that it was portable, so that the guy would go up the stairs. But i think many like me, had no clue that the phone's special beep would be the signal to start the command. Nuts.
It was nice to see some mentions of Jimmy. It had seemed of late that they had just forgotten about him, but in this episode they obviously haven't. Rachel wanting Jimmy to come back to save Jack, and then Conan slipping about saying Jack was around when he was little.
I think they picked Jack as a name, because it's commonly used as dogs names.. I don't see many Jon's as dogs names, but that's just my theory.
I give "Jack Attacks!" an A-.

[livingfruitvirus]

riiiight. bathing suit.

[randi]

riiiight. bathing suit.
Really. I didn't see any bathing suit.

[NewLib]

FUNi and their stupid edits.

[MattThomasM2B]

Apparently, Adult Swim viewers can't handle the -mention- of nudity.

The guy with the glasses looks just like the guy who was keeping the drugs in the piano in that other case.

[livingfruitvirus]

Really. I didn't see any bathing suit.
That's the point. It's like....why say it? She wasn't wearing one.

[NewLib]

Its especially stupid since later in the episode we see probably the most breast ever shown, even though she was dead.

[randi]

Holy cow. Almost two nudes. Isn't this a must see epsoide:D. I hope Sampo does their thing. Whoa it looked like Conan had one eye with the glasses shining in the light. I wonder what Richard was thinking when he undressed Jaime;). Its always murders with these people. Also this epsoide didn't have to be a two parter I mean you could easily fit this case in 30 minutes. Without the nudity maybe.

The staute with the arrows in his chest

[Chris Sanders MSX]

It's funnier cause she lied. That scene put a question in my head. Jimmy's body was transformed so physically he's a child but since he's mentally still a teen is it physically possible for him to achieve an erection?

Like his nose bled thats usually a sign in anime of being arroused but I don't think he should physically be able to being a kid and all, unless him still being a teen mentally is a factor.

Weird Questions aside I liked this episode. Now we have to wait till Monday see the conclusion.

I want to say the person who killed Jamie is the other cop. I'm not sure why. The jealous wife suspect is too obvious, as is the guy that left that room. I dunno what his motive could be though.:sad:

[Duke]

Other than the really bad edit (if you're gonna go through the trouble of censoring the dialogue, at least paint a damn suit on the thought bubble.), it was a good episode. It was good to see Richard relax with some of his friends (wish we saw it more), and we saw a very competant and serious Moore yet again, which is always nice.

I dunno who the killer could be. The easy answer would be Jim, but that's TOO easy.

[PaQ]

I caught that too. Funi putting the bathing suit line, when obviously in that flash back, Rachel wasn't wearing one.. :anime:

And then with Jaime.. Conan was there to see that too.. haha..

Glad CC is on AS..

[jeffrey 228]

Well it seems tonights episode was Edited, but it was only Cut Scene, and that was teh bath house issue, I mean look at it, Funimation pulled a DBZ/Outlaw Star one, because it probbly had a bit of nude scenes and stuff, but it seems they did not edit the other things out.

[Chris Sanders MSX]

Holy cow. Almost two nudes. Isn't this a must see epsoide:D. I hope Sampo does their thing. Whoa it looked like Conan had one eye with the glasses shining in the light. I wonder what Richard was thinking when he undressed Jaime;). Its always murders with these people. Also this epsoide didn't have to be a two parter I mean you could easily fit this case in 30 minutes. Without the nudity maybe.

The staute with the arrows in his chest
Nah I think this one had to be 2 episodes, it would of felt really rushed otherwise.

[livingfruitvirus]

Well it seems tonights episode was Edited, but it was only Cut Scene, and that was teh bath house issue, Nope.

[PaQ]

I dunno who the killer could be. The easy answer would be Jim, but that's TOO easy.
I agree with you Duke, it is just way too easy to implicate Jim.. The preview sorta gives an impression.. but before I saw that, I was leaning towards perhaps the whole group except the two cops (Richard and the Bald guy) were in on it.. Perhaps they just wanted to get rid of her once and for all..

I think we can all expect some hidden backstory to emerge during the confession next week..

[NewLib]

They didnt actually EDIT anything, I dont believe. Just changed dialogue.

[Mog]

I'm not sure the bathing suit line was a dub change. Maybe Rachel just lied to Richard. It would be kind of silly to change the line and not actually add a bathing suit.

As for the episode, I give it an N/A. I won't grade it until monday because it didn't really feel like an episode, but giving it a bad score because it's a 2-parter feels unjust.

[Tash]

It's funnier cause she lied. That scene put a question in my head. Jimmy's body was transformed so physically he's a child but since he's mentally still a teen is it physically possible for him to achieve an erection?

Like his nose bled thats usually a sign in anime of being arroused but I don't think he should physically be able to being a kid and all, unless him still being a teen mentally is a factor.I remember being able to when I was really little, so I don't know why he wouldn't. (but you didn't need to know that)

Anyhow, tonight's episode was some interestig back story. but why did the Judo club have a reunion :/, and if it was a class reunion, why did only Judo club members show up?

[Duke]

Anyhow, tonight's episode was some interestig back story. but why did the Judo club have a reunion :/, and if it was a class reunion, why did only Judo club members show up?
It's a Judo Class Reunion. I'm assuming they have it every 5 years, much like a high school reunion or something, which means they were probably a pretty close-knit group back then.

[jeffrey 228]

Nope.
Well because I know on the Preview of episode 28 there was that bath scene in that one and I was not sure because they had cut that out during the episode tonight, but again I'm not sure of how it went.

[Yash]

I can kind of understand where FUNi's bathing suit edit is coming from. I mean, if you were a 16-year-old girl would you tell your dad that you went into a spa naked with an 8-year-old boy?

Also, I think it's the guy with the glasses. The one without a girlfriend.

Oh, and to above poster... you spelled "knuckles" wrong in your sig.

[JetMaster5]

I really don't understand this nose bleeding arousel. While nose bleeds?

[PickHut]

It was an intesting episode, but more of a setup for the next episode. Richard seem to have inhaled some intelligence during the last two episodes:eek: . He's acting more like a detective and less of an idiot standing in the background pointing at people. Though, I have a feeling it won't last long:sweat: . Jeez, Richard can't catch a break, he goes to his own reunion and someone gets killed, that Conan is a walking curse...... Eh, I'm not certain who killed her, there are a lot of possible suspects. My top 3 picks are the other detective, the man with glasses, or the married woman....

I give Richard's Class Reunion Part 1 an A-.

[Delthayre]

It's relieving to see Richard showing some genuine intelligence. The bumbling buffoon with a knack for jumping the flimsy conclusions and not much else made it hard for me to believe that the man could ever be any kind of detective.

He has to continue as Conan's less-capable counterweight, but I think I prefer the man showing some skill and cleverness to a uniformly bumbling schmuck. That act grates on my nerves.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Boy I wish I was Conan right then. Good times!

Good episode overall, it's lame that we have to wait till Monday for the conclusion. I wonder if FUNi will have a 5 episode disc because of this (they've confirmed 4 per disc instead of 3 per disc).

[Yash]

I really don't understand this nose bleeding arousel. While nose bleeds?You see, whenever an Anime character gets horny, blood tends to surge through their head, as though they're getting high. Their head will explode from pressure unless they let some blood fly. I think it'd be pretty hard to cry out blood or cough it up, although bleeding from the nostrils, which are always open for business, is much more common than either of the two said examples. So that ends the story of why Anime characters get nosebleeds from being aroused.


(they've confirmed 4 per disc instead of 3 per disc)
Volume 2's only going to have 3 episodes (55-57).

[Andrew T. Hingson]

When did you hear this? FUNi confirmed 4 per disc at Anime Expo.

[Mike JD Silva]

When did you hear this? FUNi confirmed 4 per disc at Anime Expo.
Y'sure Hyper? I remember Lance saying 4 for the first disc and the disc for Season 3 would have 3 episodes; 52, 54, and 55. Unless he mentioned 56 and didn't hear it...

[Frank15]

Ya' know, guys, she probably mentioned being in her bathing suit because she was talking to her dad! Richard did not like that Rachel even went to the spa: I tend to think he would have just gotten angrier if she told him she was there nude :P. I mean, Rachel lying to her dad just makes sense, people.

Richard smacked Conan again. But Rachel didn't see it this time, so couldn't stand up for him.

Jim seems to be the most likely one to have murdered Jamie, far as I can tell. As far as we know, he's the only one to have left the room during the ping pong match, seemingly early on during the ping pong match too. And he seemed very... well, "off" upon his supposed bathroom return. And he mentioned the odd "alarm clock" comment, saying Jamie said she'd set her alarm clock, when she had, indeed, said no such thing.

Why would he do so? My guess: unrequited love. We know he had a crush on Jamie in college, and he seemingly still does. He seemed very unappreciative when she made the joke about how they should get married. I'm guessing he went up to her room when he had said he was using the bathroom, asked to go out/get married/whatever with her, she said no, he shot her.

[MeggieMay]

Y'sure Hyper? I remember Lance saying 4 for the first disc and the disc for Season 3 would have 3 episodes; 52, 54, and 55. Unless he mentioned 56 and didn't hear it...52, 54, and 55 - where's 53? BTW, I actually thought I saw a episode list of the show on a fan site that said Ep 52 is a one hour episode. I remember that because I was wondering how Cartoon Network was going to handle that (I mean, if they bought the show through Ep 52 and it's a two parter, just how are they going to handle that - just show part 1? :confused: ).

Anyway, if 52 is a 1 hour episode, then that would be the equivalent of four episode :cool: .

[Sampo]

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Rachel cons her cheap dad into taking her and little Conan to the Reunion, so she could go to the hot springs. That *&(&(& freaking Conan! :D Everything seems to go well as Richard reacquaints himself with old friends from the University Judo Club. Untill Jamie ends up dead which at first looked like suicide until clues started to show up, now its a homicide.

I have absolutely no clue who did it... The only hunch I can go on is that Jim fellow (with the glasses). When he came back from the bathroom, he seemed spooked and sweating for some reason.

Other than that, it is odd. There appears to be not much of a motive. They seemed so happy together in those two photos. Here is one (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/photo1.jpg), taken when they won second place at the Judo competition. Here is the other (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/photo2.jpg), taken 5 years ago with cute Rachel.

Nice work on Conan's part pointing out some of the clues. Dang I wasn't aware of some of them... I didn't notice that Jamie was wearing a men's robe. I almost missed that one about her not having her finger on the trigger. While Richard pointed out what would happen if she held the gun to her head (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/gun2head.jpg). Interesting. Also it is odd for Jamie to not wear any clothes (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/disrobed.jpg) under that robe...

Favorite scene from this episode. Watching Scott and Nancy compete (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/pingpong.jpg) against each other during that ping pong match. Man, Richard looked so irritated. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/upset.jpg) :)

Last pic for now, here is a chart of the characters for this episode.




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[tucsoncoyote]

Last pic for now, here is a chart of the characters for this episode.





http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/Judoclub.jpg
Time to put this case to bed befored it gets started..

Here's a Case of a Class Reunion gone Horribly Wrong.. (Hope next Year when I go have mine I don't have to solve a murder!)

but Let's cut to the chase in this case. .

Jaime Hummelford (Our Victim in this case of apparent suicide, which is now actually a Murder) really can't be a suspect here as it seems she was offed by one of the others... but whom? That's a good question...

Well Each person has some motive but some more then others..

Scott Andros could have been the murderer, but it's very unlikely as it seems that He and Jaime were perhaps okay, but he's right now number 2 on my list of potential killers.. but what about his Wife Nancy? (Sure Jaime was the Head Manager of the Judo Team, and Nancy was the 2nd in command.. but when you think about it, it's very unlikely that she would be the one.. So already we can eliminate her. (or can we?)

so that really cuts it down Scott Andros , Craig Newberry, and Jim Fleming...

but then this is where things get crazy... and in fact only 2 of them (Both Jim and Craig were absent from the group at any time beetween 3PM and 6PM.. but you have to think.. who could be it .. Scott never really left the group at anytime so you could eliminate him as well

so that leaves just 2 people... and for good reason..

Jim Fleming, and of course Craig Newberry.. (both have potential motive, but if you noticed tonight.. you can see who it is who is the killer.. if you want me to give you a hint.. well here it is...

it's the one who acted the most nervous

so if you can take my one clue you already know who it is.. but my question is why? Why would the killer kill Jaime.. and I'm thinking it has something to do with the next Episode's hint..

Also would a 16 year old girl be caught naked in a spa with an 8 year old kid and passing Conan off as her son? (Incredible..)

but I can tell you who the killer is... it... well I wait till later ah heck no tell them now! (it's Jim... pure and simple..)

okay there now, are you happy??? (but then watch me be wrong on this one and we find out it's Nancy..) after all maybe Jaime was crowding her out for Scott's affections, and trying to steal him away.. after all you never know..(but My money's on Jim..)

:coyote:

[Freedom Fighter]

Thursday - "Richard's Class Reunion, Part 1" (3.5 out of 4)
Back to a normal case, even though it has to be on a vacation/reunion for Richard. No one can get a break on this show, can they?

People say Richard is cheap for not wanting to bring Rachel (and Conan) along on the trip. But here's another theory... he doesn't want her to go because he wants to protect her, i.e., keep her from exposing herself to complete strangers. Rachel probably knew that, so when she went on the trip and went to the hot springs anyway, Conan with her, that's why I think she lied about going. Richard did ask if she went 'au natural,' and she responsed by saying she was wearing a bathing suit. Sure, WE know she wasn't ;) , but you think she wants dad to know that?

I was thinking the 'hot springs' scene was edited too, but then I thought back to two other series that have had 'hot springs' scenes in the past. Tenchi Muyo and Outlaw Star, both on Toonami. Tenchi's was edited so that the girls were wearing digital bikins, while the episode of Star with the springs wasn't even aired at all! Then I think again... unlike this show, those two were not meant for kids to watch. So there was no way we'd actually see a full-frontal shot of Rachel (or anywhere close to it) because this is supposed to be a show for children in Japan... whether you want to believe it or not. :p

Okay, Conan's in the hot springs, where he's likely to get wet and his glasses might fog up. So why is he still wearing them?

Um... yeah, there was a murder mystery, but I'm not touching much on it because I don't believe there was much to go on. The few clues given were abstract, and not enough for me to make a wise prediction. So, I'll sleep on it (a few nights), and hopefully I'll have a hunch on Monday who to pick.

[Eddy]

That's odd... Rachel didn't look like she was wearing a swimsuit. Silly FUNi and their silly edits. As for who commited the murder... well, it's too hard to say now. Not enough solid evidence has been given. As for now, Jim is my best bet since he looked freaked out when he came back from the bathroom... but still...

This sucks... we have to wait till Monday for the conclusion... But if they could wait a week in Japan I'm sure we can wait a few days.

[Nftnat]

I think I've finally figured out that whole nosebleed thing; it's so obvious actually that I'm probably not the first. They have blood rushing to the head because they can't show blood rushing to, er, other areas. And that's all I'm gonna say about that.
Now that that's out of the way, about the time of death. Is there any chance that it could be wrong? It seems I remember an episode or two of Matlock where the victim was in a sauna and that threw off the estimate of the time of death. Maybe Jim being fingered was too obvious here. Maybe he went to her room and propositioned her, she said no in no uncertain terms, and that was why he was flustered when he came back. Then Jaime went to the hot spring, and then during the fireworks, when no one could find anyone else...
I mean maybe Craig still has a torch for Jaime. Maybe Scott does. Maybe Nancy was just a little too jealous. Maybe the married couple was in on it together; Jaime would be heavy for Nancy to lug all the way back from the hot spring, or anyone for that matter. Except for a police officer, who would have to be in excellent shape; maybe it was Craig. He would know about fixing time of death, factors affecting it, etc. He was quick both to assume command of the case and to rule it a suicide before Richard - prompted by the boy wonder of course - figured out the holes in that theory. That clue which I'd better not name (on account of I don't have this spoilers thingy figured out) must mean something.

[Daizaburo Estes]

Nice bo-err, bathing suit there Rach. Heheh... :D

Hmm...well, I don't have any MAJOR clues here, but from the looks of it, Jim seems to be getting quite a bit of focus here....so it can't POSSIBLY be him. That leaves Craig, but why would he ever do such a thing? C'mon! THINK! THINK!

Ah well. It's only a matter of days...

[HumanoidTyphoon]

I knew she didn't kill herself right away due to her finger not being on the trigger and the bullet hole.:sad: The only person I can think of is Jim due to his nervousness but that seems too easy. Too bad we have to wait the weekend for the rest.

Was anyone else amused at how Rachel looks up at the fireworks and says oh no we're missing the fireworks.:sweat:

Now that that's out of the way, about the time of death. Is there any chance that it could be wrong? It seems I remember an episode or two of Matlock where the victim was in a sauna and that threw off the estimate of the time of death. Maybe Jim being fingered was too obvious here. Maybe he went to her room and propositioned her, she said no in no uncertain terms, and that was why he was flustered when he came back. Then Jaime went to the hot spring, and then during the fireworks, when no one could find anyone else...
Not sure that would be a possibility it appears she was killed in the room or at least shot in the room the blood was all on the wall. Maybe she could have been killed there drug into the sauna then back:shrug: oh and spoilers go like this ][/color] just type stuff in between the the 2 tags.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Yay Sampo I knew you wouldn't let me down.

Rachel looks so happy in that pick. It cracks me up.

[Pepperidge]

Anyway, if 52 is a 1 hour episode, then that would be the equivalent of four episode :cool: . Right you are. Or ONE of the episodes is a 1 hour episode, in any case..

[Samurai Karasu]

I really don't see Jim being the murderer. Jim seemed to be hoping that Jamie would like him. ....nevermind. I guess I'll just wait till next week. Are the dvd's for sale yet?


Also this is the first full episode of Detective Conan I've watched and I still don't quite get it. Oh well.

[Mike JD Silva]

52, 54, and 55 - where's 53? BTW, I actually thought I saw a episode list of the show on a fan site that said Ep 52 is a one hour episode. I remember that because I was wondering how Cartoon Network was going to handle that (I mean, if they bought the show through Ep 52 and it's a two parter, just how are they going to handle that - just show part 1? :confused: ).

Anyway, if 52 is a 1 hour episode, then that would be the equivalent of four episode :cool: .
:sweat:

Crap, typo. I meant 53, which begins season 3.

:sweat:

Damn my typing at 2 in the morning....

[the Amanda]

Other than that, it is odd. There appears to be not much of a motive. They seemed so happy together in those two photos. Here is one (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/photo1.jpg), taken when they won second place at the Judo competition. Here is the other (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/photo2.jpg), taken 5 years ago with cute Rachel.


Good ep. I have a question about the years. You say that that pic was taken five years ago, but Rachel certainly doesn't look thirteen there. Also, what reunion is this? I got the impression from the show that it's the ten-year... which would make Rachel eight when Richard graduated from college... :sweat:

I think I missed something, it makes much more sense if it's the twenty-year reunion and the last was the ten-year reunion, making Rachel eight in that picture and putting Rachel's birth two years after Richard graduates. But maybe the writers just didn't really care...

[Nftnat]

Consider these things. If she'd been shot before the fireworks, or after, wouldn't someone have heard it? I guess there's a possibility the ping-pong tournament would have made too much noise, but to cover up a gunshot in the same building? And who suggested that they not wake her up? Also, the fact that she was wearing a man's coat, and nothing else. And was her hair wet or was that just my impression?
How about this. Before the ping-pong tournament the killer either found out Jaime was going to the hot spring or suggested that she do so. Then afterwards, as they were leaving for the fireworks, the killer slipped over to the hot spring - maybe while putting away the ping-pong equipment - and did the deed, killing her some other way than shooting. The spring might have kept the blood from congealing. Then it's wrap her in the men's coat, haul her back to her room, shoot her there - during the fireworks, which would be the only time that no one would notice the shot - and then hit the shower to wash off the powder burns and get rid of whatever other physical evidence there was.

[Sampo]

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Now that that's out of the way, about the time of death. Is there any chance that it could be wrong? It seems I remember an episode or two of Matlock where the victim was in a sauna and that threw off the estimate of the time of death.
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Hmm, I think you got something there. If Jamie went to the hot springs or took a shower, that might have affected the time of death.



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Maybe Jim being fingered was too obvious here. Maybe he went to her room and propositioned her, she said no in no uncertain terms, and that was why he was flustered when he came back. Then Jaime went to the hot spring, and then during the fireworks, when no one could find anyone else...
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I was thinking about this, most likely the killer shot Jamie when the fireworks were going off. The sound of the fireworks might mask the sound of the gun shot, also almost everyone was attending the fireworks display. So there would be less witnesses around to hear the gun going off.


I really don't see Jim being the murderer. Jim seemed to be hoping that Jamie would like him. ....nevermind. I guess I'll just wait till next week. Are the dvd's for sale yet?

Based on the info from Rightstuf.com (http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/OB7c7thk4KZdkGEeW0/browse/item/63016/4/0/0), it goes on sale on Aug 24.



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Also this is the first full episode of Detective Conan I've watched and I still don't quite get it. Oh well.
This is not really a full episode, since its a two parter I guess. Welcome aboard though!

You pretty much try to figure out who the killer is before Conan does... But don't be a Richard Moore :). You should also find enough of the clues so that you can reenact the crime and pin the murder on the suspect.



Yay Sampo I knew you wouldn't let me down.

Rachel looks so happy in that pick. It cracks me up.

:D

[Dark Soul]

This week I give it an 9/10. Last nights episode was good. I'm not taking any guesses at the killer. Well it I think it has something to do with Jim. I would not count anyone out. I have hunch everyone knew before hand. But thats just a hunch. Oh yeah Conan is gonna give himself away I just know it.

[Dark Soul]

The time of death I would say around the fireworks just like Sampo said. The people who were in the house was the bald guy. Yeah but Jim was acting suspious so I wouldn't count him out. Basically everyone was acting suspious.
But how did the killer escape the scene and come back without anyone knowing.

[Sampo]

Good ep. I have a question about the years. You say that that pic was taken five years ago, but Rachel certainly doesn't look thirteen there. Also, what reunion is this? I got the impression from the show that it's the ten-year... which would make Rachel eight when Richard graduated from college... :sweat:
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Actually Rachel said that pic was taken 5 years ago, so I just wrote down what she said. As for the Reunion, it appears that these guys like to get together after a certain amount of years and catch up on each other's lives.



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How about this. Before the ping-pong tournament the killer either found out Jaime was going to the hot spring or suggested that she do so. Then afterwards, as they were leaving for the fireworks, the killer slipped over to the hot spring - maybe while putting away the ping-pong equipment - and did the deed, killing her some other way than shooting. The spring might have kept the blood from congealing. Then it's wrap her in the men's coat, haul her back to her room, shoot her there - during the fireworks, which would be the only time that no one would notice the shot - and then hit the shower to wash off the powder burns and get rid of whatever other physical evidence there was.
Just one problem I see in the above (good theory though), is that it appears that Jamie was standing when she was shot. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/shot2.jpg)

Good point about that person hauling her off. Although, it might draw too much attention. Unless the killer used some kind of excuse like "She had too much to drink." to throw people off.

[Samurai Karasu]

It's gotta be Craig...it's just gotta.

Lemme give the VA's I know

Craig=Chris Sabat(Vegeta)
Jim=Kyle Hebert(Karasu)
Scott=Robert Mccollum (Sensui)

[Anime Freak]

It's gotta be Craig...it's just gotta.

Lemme give the VA's I know

Craig=Chris Sabat(Vegeta)
Jim=Kyle Hebert(Karasu)
Scott=Robert Mccollum (Sensui)
no!no!no! I'm pretty darn sure that Craig sounded like the va for piccolo not vegeta!

[livingfruitvirus]

no!no!no! I'm pretty darn sure that Craig sounded like the va for piccolo not vegeta! Piccolo is also Chris Sabat.

vvvvvvv see what happens when you type too much :sweat:

[Samurai Karasu]

...yeah he is Vegeta. He's also Piccolo/Yamcha/Nappa/Recoome/Guru/Kami/Popo/...too many :(

and he's Kuwubara and Gama He's also gonna be one of the last four villians in the series

Edit: LFV :mad:

[tucsoncoyote]

It's gotta be Craig...it's just gotta.
Alright then I got a good question to ask then to anyone out there, whould would be Craig's Motive here? After all he was the Captain of the Team... and I see him the Least Likely to Kill Jaime unless there is some other motive that someone isn't Tellming me about...

After all the Three Most Likely Suspects that would have motive, would be Scott (who was still pining for Jaime), Nancy (a Jealousy Angle) and Jim.. (Namely Rejection)

But what Exactly Would Craig's Motive be?
since his seems the Least plausible.

:coyote:

[Samurai Karasu]

well remember he said. There was one person who kept beating me "blah blah blah" never finished.

What if that person was Jamie?

[PaQ]

Another entertaining episode of Case Closed. An episode that really showed the benefits and reasons why it's on Adult Swim. Perhaps the only downer on this episode is that it's a 2 parter and we don't get to see it solved till after the weekend.

Several reasons to be on AS: Nekkid Rachel washing/having fun with Conan in the hotsprings. Seeing Jamie's head with the bullet wound, followed by Richard's interpretation of how she was shot. Seemed messy and not to mention Jamie being nude underneath the robe and Richard revealing it.
It was nice to see Richard be both serious and laid back in this episode. Seeing him chase after that gunman and knock him down after Conan kicked the gun out of his hands. And then reflecting with the Judo club, it was definitely a nice sight to see.
Ok, so the obvious choice was Jim. He's was obviously rushed when he returned to the table tennis room. I then suspected the whole group outside of the two cops. The preview seems to lean towards the bald cop being the one. Makes some sense, a cop could've picked up the gun for him, and he put away the tt equipment by himself, giving him ample time to take care of Jamie. Perhaps the rest of the group wanted to kill her too, and when each went, they found her already dead.. It just seemed to odd that they all went up together to see her. It'll be interesting to find out the reason she was killed and who did it, that's for sure.
I give "Richard's Class Reunion Part 1" an A+.

[Anime Freak]

Piccolo is also Chris Sabat.

vvvvvvv see what happens when you type too much :sweat:
Heh, I just thought of that after I made my reply. It does seem that they're making good use of their former dbz vas though.

[Samurai Karasu]

We should start a poll for who's guilty :eek:

I still think it's Craig and I stand by that thesis.

God damn this show's addictive :D

[tucsoncoyote]

Consider these things. If she'd been shot before the fireworks, or after, wouldn't someone have heard it? I guess there's a possibility the ping-pong tournament would have made too much noise, but to cover up a gunshot in the same building? And who suggested that they not wake her up? Also, the fact that she was wearing a man's coat, and nothing else. And was her hair wet or was that just my impression?
How about this. Before the ping-pong tournament the killer either found out Jaime was going to the hot spring or suggested that she do so. Then afterwards, as they were leaving for the fireworks, the killer slipped over to the hot spring - maybe while putting away the ping-pong equipment - and did the deed, killing her some other way than shooting. The spring might have kept the blood from congealing. Then it's wrap her in the men's coat, haul her back to her room, shoot her there - during the fireworks, which would be the only time that no one would notice the shot - and then hit the shower to wash off the powder burns and get rid of whatever other physical evidence there was.Good theory there Nftnat, but the question I have to ask is what would be the Killer's motive here (since you are hinting at Craig being the killer) also take a look at what Richard said when he examined the body... that Rigor Mortis was starting to set in.. (Now in this case this would be a nice theory but one piece of Flawed Logic here.. Putting a person in a Hot Spring would increase the Time that Rigor Mortis would have taken..and hence the Murder could have occurred well before 3PM, thus making it really impossible with one exception...and this again points back to Jim Flemming..)

if you take a look, we narrow our susects down to just 2 people Craig or Jim.. Now Craig was there at the ping pong Tournament the whole time while Jim stepped out to use the bathroom (or to Kill Jaime), now unless Craig and Jim are in this together, it's very unlikely that either Jim nor Craig would be the likely person to kill Jaime, as Craig was at the ping pong tournament and Jim is probably the most unfit (health wise) to carry Jaime's Lifeless body to the Hot Spring and then back..) the couple would have had the least motive as well as neither of them left the tourney.. but what if Jaime was poisoned and then Jim was used as "The Fall Guy" to make it look like anyone ..(hence now we're back to square one..) but removing the couple and Craig, there really are very few suspects left.. hence it comes back to Jim Yet again..

in short unless Craig was able to do the dead in 15 minutes or less, it's very unlikely that he could be the one..yet for a fit person it's possible, but then he would have had to change Robes..and that in itself is a hard act..(Remember one clue is Jaime is Wearing a MAN's Robe.. not a womans..)

so then who could it be?

Hard to say, but I'm going to stick with Jim as usually emotions/Action are a give away here.. he was acting Too jumpy when he came back from the bathroom.

:coyote:

[Duke]

Hey Sampo, can you get a screen of the person picking up the gun from the beginning of the episode? The hand seemed almost female to me...

[tucsoncoyote]

We should start a poll for who's guilty :eek:

I still think it's Craig and I stand by that thesis.

God damn this show's addictive :DBut again I reinterate Samurai Karasu, what is Craig's Motive behind the Killing of Jaime? It can't be revenge now could it?

the only other person who fits that idea would be Scott Andros' wife, Nancy, and that is because she was the Assistant Manager of the team. but it's very unlikely that she herself would be the one.. besides here comes the thought or comment that pulls the blame off Craig...

Craig makes a comment that there was one better then even him.. now that leaves Scott, or Nancy, but unless we can find some reason or motive here, then we leave it to either Craig Newberry, or Jim Flemming..and those are the only two.. Craig would have the Least viable motive here unless he wanted to be manager.. but then it's anyone's guess what Jim's Motive was..but I'm thinking a rejection angle.. as it seems the most plausible.

and yes this show is addictive, and it makes you think HARD...

:coyote:

[Samurai Karasu]

Good theory there Nftnat, but the question I have to ask is what would be the Killer's motive here (since you are hinting at Craig being the killer) also take a look at what Richard said when he examined the body... that Rigor Mortis was starting to set in.. (Now in this case this would be a nice theory but one piece of Flawed Logic here.. Putting a person in a Hot Spring would increase the Time that Rigor Mortis would have taken..and hence the Murder could have occurred well before 3PM, thus making it really impossible with one exception...and this again points back to Jim Flemming..)

if you take a look, we narrow our susects down to just 2 people Craig or Jim.. Now Craig was there at the ping pong Tournament the whole time while Jim stepped out to use the bathroom (or to Kill Jaime), now unless Craig and Jim are in this together, it's very unlikely that either Jim nor Craig would be the likely person to kill Jaime, as Craig was at the ping pong tournament and Jim is probably the most unfit (health wise) to carry Jaime's Lifeless body to the Hot Spring and then back..) the couple would have had the least motive as well as neither of them left the tourney.. but what if Jaime was poisoned and then Jim was used as "The Fall Guy" to make it look like anyone ..(hence now we're back to square one..) but removing the couple and Craig, there really are very few suspects left.. hence it comes back to Jim Yet again..

in short unless Craig was able to do the dead in 15 minutes or less, it's very unlikely that he could be the one..yet for a fit person it's possible, but then he would have had to change Robes..and that in itself is a hard act..(Remember one clue is Jaime is Wearing a MAN's Robe.. not a womans..)

so then who could it be?

Hard to say, but I'm going to stick with Jim as usually emotions/Action are a give away here.. he was acting Too jumpy when he came back from the bathroom.

:coyote:In the preview apparently she had shot him a mean glare. Wouldn't he kind of been upset about that because of the fact she was being so flirtly with him before hand (or so he thought) I'm just trying to defend Jim cause he really seems like an innocent man.


But again I reinterate Samurai Karasu, what is Craig's Motive behind the Killing of Jaime? It can't be revenge now could it?
...why couldn't it be revenge?

[Sampo]

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It was nice to see Richard be both serious and laid back in this episode. Seeing him chase after that gunman and knock him down after Conan kicked the gun out of his hands. And then reflecting with the Judo club, it was definitely a nice sight to see.
Heck yeah, when I saw Richard tackle that gunman I was like dang that guy has some moves.



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Ok, so the obvious choice was Jim. He's was obviously rushed when he returned to the table tennis room. I then suspected the whole group outside of the two cops. The preview seems to lean towards the bald cop being the one. Makes some sense, a cop could've picked up the gun for him, and he put away the tt equipment by himself, giving him ample time to take care of Jamie. Perhaps the rest of the group wanted to kill her too, and when each went, they found her already dead.. It just seemed to odd that they all went up together to see her. It'll be interesting to find out the reason she was killed and who did it, that's for sure.
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The odd thing about Craig being the murder is that he should have known that Richard was a detective. So Craig must have known that at some point Richard would notice the gunshot wound to Jamie's head and her finger not on the trigger of that gun. It was really messy of him not to cover those clues up, unless Craig wanted it to look like an amateur did the killing.

Thinking back about the episode, it was strange that Jamie freaked out a little when the rest of the group wanted to play Ping Pong. That's odd.


Hey Sampo, can you get a screen of the person picking up the gun from the beginning of the episode? The hand seemed almost female to me...
Sure here you go. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/hand.jpg)

[DarthNuriko]

Like a few others in this thread, I'm also leaning towards Craig having done it. It could also be one of the Andros. Jim is the last one who did it. Like it was said earlier, Jim was too obvious. Maybe at some point before she died, he went to talk to victim or something and that's why he looked flustered/nervous at one point.

[Dark Soul]

Craig is a detective too you know. But then again it could be a cover up for the murder so he would not be suspected. This is a hard one

[Yash]

I believe it's Jim. Remember earlier on in the episode they're talking about how their love lives have gone, and Jim and Jamie were the only two who didn't find anyone... then Jamie jokingly tells Jim that she and him should get together. I don't know but he looked pretty happy to me when she said that. I bet he was disappointed when she told him she was only joking. Remember he left for a bit (I think he said he was going to the bathroom) while they were playing Table Tennis, and came back with a... semi-sad look on his face. As for how she got nude underneath, I'm thinking rape.

But I gotta say, if it's not him than it HAS TO be Conan...

[Master Moron]

Did they ever mention why Craig and Jaime broke up? That might have something to do with his possible motive. Also, many characters were sweating throughout the episode, I guess due to being in the hotsprings.

By the way, I'll be extremely dissapointed if the killer is Jim. It just seems so obvious. I mean, he's always somewhere else, and he even made up a lie about Jaime saying she would set her alarm. I'm surprised no ones pointed the finger at him yet.

[Yash]

Did they ever mention why Craig and Jaime broke up? That might have something to do with his possible motive. Also, many characters were sweating throughout the episode, I guess due to being in the hotsprings.

By the way, I'll be extremely dissapointed if the killer is Jim. It just seems so obvious. I mean, he's always somewhere else, and he even made up a lie about Jaime saying she would set her alarm. I'm surprised no ones pointed the finger at him yet.
Richard does in the preview.

[Dark Soul]

My two suspects are Craig and Jim if its not one of those two then I'm stumped. Jim would be too obvious but then again always suspect the obvious

[Sampo]

Good theory there Nftnat, but the question I have to ask is what would be the Killer's motive here (since you are hinting at Craig being the killer) also take a look at what Richard said when he examined the body... that Rigor Mortis was starting to set in.. (Now in this case this would be a nice theory but one piece of Flawed Logic here.. Putting a person in a Hot Spring would increase the Time that Rigor Mortis would have taken..and hence the Murder could have occurred well before 3PM, thus making it really impossible with one exception...and this again points back to Jim Flemming..)
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Hmm I went web surfing and found info about temperature affecting Rigor Mortis. (http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/IA/SRP/vfp/timeofdeath.html) Good point, but if the hot spring accelerated/increased the Rigor Mortis, wouldn't that place the killing past 3PM though??? So the scenerio of Jamie being killed during the fireworks makes sense.

[lostrune]

OK, I've waited long enough reading yaz comments first, so here's my take:

1. First off, let's start with the controversial naked bath issue. As far as I remember, there's NO VIDEO EDIT. What you see is what you get - I could understand that ya guys want to get a lot more. :anime:

Here's a paraphrase of how the scene originally went:

Richard: Where were you this whole time?
Rachel: The outdoor bath.
Richard: The outdoor bath?! It's for both guys and girls! :eek:
Rachel: Don't worry! No one else was there. Right, Conan-kun?
Richard: Hey, you guys took a bath together? :eek:
Rachel: That's right. But Conan-kun was all embarrassed, and it was hard to get him to go.
[To Conan] But wasn't it fun scrubbing each other's back? :sweat:
[Conan splurts noseblood. :o ]
Rachel: A nose bleed? I guess you got it from the bath.
Richard: He probably saw you naked and got excited.
Rachel: That can't be. Conan-kun is still a child!
[Conan thinks: If she ever finds out my true identity, I'm dead for sure! :evil: ]

2. BTW, originally there's a new ED theme this episode.

3. I have a question for you guys: how are you sure that there's only one guilty party? Also, remember the theory about the quiet ones. Figure out to whom Richard was pointing in the preview. Just more things to think about. ;) :D

4. BTW, the Next Conan Hint is "Benkei." Edited from Gilles Poitras' The AnimeCompanion:
A legendary (mythical?) warrior monk who challenged samurai on a Kyoto bridge and always won and took their swords. He was finally defeated by and thus became a servant of Minamoto Yo*****une, in whose defense Benkei died in battle still on his feet with multiple arrows on his back. The Deva statues that guard Japanese temples are reminiscent of him.

4a. And here's another clue for youz just because it's vague: ;)
Any of yaz play ping-pong? I only sometimes do, but I met a friend in college who was ranked 2nd in the state. He always kicked my ass, but I frustrated him because I played against him like a regular tennis player the way I held the racket/paddle and spun the ball. The end. :p



What's up with the nosebleed thing in anime, anyway? I remember the same thing happened to Keitaro quite a lot in Love Hina, but still don't understand how it could happen :shrug: I know why it happens, just not how...

It's actually quite simple: when you blush, you turn red because blood rushes to your head (like when your drunk), and the nose has thin exposed blood vessels. That's basically the assumption. :o




Okay, Conan's in the hot springs, where he's likely to get wet and his glasses might fog up. So why is he still wearing them?

Silly FF. It's so he can have a good look! :cool:




I think I missed something, it makes much more sense if it's the twenty-year reunion and the last was the ten-year reunion, making Rachel eight in that picture and putting Rachel's birth two years after Richard graduates. But maybe the writers just didn't really care...

It was a 15-year reunion, and the last reunion was indeed 5 years ago. The dub "blue boxes of doom" didn't include the original written info that the classmates are all 37-38 years old.



maybe it was Craig. He would know about fixing time of death, factors affecting it, etc. He was quick both to assume command of the case and to rule it a suicide before Richard - prompted by the boy wonder of course - figured out the holes in that theory.

Actually, it was Richard who initially assumed suicide. Craig was the one who told Richard not to jump to conclusions until the police gets there.

And remember, Richard and Craig both confirmed (without Conan objecting) that the rigor mortis estimated the body to be dead for a long while.



What to do? Hey! His girlfriend's father is a detective, so why not do the little boy thing, ingratiate himself into their household, and solve cases using Richard for a cover. As soon as that situation manifested I figured that Conan would set Richard up in the role of a great detective, and maybe Richard would grow into it. Looks like maybe that's starting to happen.

Oh, you're in for a ride. ;)



It was an intesting episode, but more of a setup for the next episode. Richard seem to have inhaled some intelligence during the last two episodes:eek: . He's acting more like a detective and less of an idiot standing in the background pointing at people. Though, I have a feeling it won't last long. :sweat:

It's relieving to see Richard showing some genuine intelligence. The bumbling buffoon with a knack for jumping the flimsy conclusions and not much else made it hard for me to believe that the man could ever be any kind of detective.

He has to continue as Conan's less-capable counterweight, but I think I prefer the man showing some skill and cleverness to a uniformly bumbling schmuck. That act grates on my nerves.

Oh then, you gonna HATE to see, in the next episode, Conan's tranq-arrow of doom! ;)
(Ironically, Scott made a joke about shoot a tranquilizer at a mad Jamie. :D )

[anime_guru]

so it seems my theory is correct...my theory is-

well I theorized that around 3pm jaimie and jim probably had a quickie, and craig killed her

but that is just me...but more than one killer?
could be craig/jim
it is tough to say

[Sampo]

...
3. I have a question for you guys: how are you sure that there's only one guilty party? Also, remember the theory about the quiet ones. Figure out to whom Richard was pointing in the preview. Just more things to think about. ;) :D
...
Because the last time I thought there was more than one person involved, I was wrong! :D

Hmm, seriously that's something to think about...

BTW, thanks for clearing up that dialog bit between Rachel and her dad.

[Sanwich]

Well, I'm sure there are plenty of twists and turns in this case that have yet to be revealed - in my opinion, it's impossible to come up with enough evidence to convict anyone just yet. Still, it's always fun to guess. ;)

I'm in agreement with some folks about Jim - he's waaaay too suspicious to be the killer. I mean, this show is all about making you (and Conan) think one thing, then turning around and yanking you in a new direction. I think Jim was perhaps up to something (maybe he saw the dead body while he was 'going to the bathroom' or whatever), or maybe the entire group had intended to kill the woman (since everyone conveniently disappears at some point, especially during the fireworks). In any case, I seriously doubt Jim performed any criminal actions on his own, though I'm sure the finger will be pointed at him during the next episode.

Right now, I'm personally thinking there's more than one person involved in the murder, but I have no idea who it could be - everyone seems suspicious at this point, even the cop.

[see201]

Interesting. Also it is odd for Jamie to not wear any clothes (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/disrobed.jpg) under that robe...
As for how she got nude underneath, I'm thinking rape.

Nope. Yukata robes are often worn without any other clothes on. This makes it easy to drop by the hot springs anytime. As for the rape theory, rape has never appeared in a conan episode nor in any of the movies. Remember, it's a kids show in Japan.




Okay, Conan's in the hot springs, where he's likely to get wet and his glasses might fog up. So why is he still wearing them?
He probably insisted so that Ran (sorry... Rachael) won't figure out who he really is. Remember, they were childhood friends, and without his glasses, he looks like the young Jimmy.
As for the hot springs, it's very natural for a mother go into a hot spring with her son, even at age 10, and so as Ran (sorry... Rachael) likes to take care of Conan as if she were his mom, she naturally brings him in with her.

And finally, for those of you who still think Richard is always completely clueless...
don't miss the next episode. Sometimes he just needs a little help.

[the Amanda]

Sampo, thanks for the response. I know Rachel said so in the show, but it just didn't make sense... I should repeat to myself "it's just a show, I should really just relax" :D


Semi-OT: I just got a Conan action figure! It's sooooo cute! *eeeee!* *regain composure* :D

[HumanoidTyphoon]

well remember he said. There was one person who kept beating me "blah blah blah" never finished.

What if that person was Jamie?He said he's staying at the same hotel so that would probably eliminate her thought she was all mad when they mentioned ping pong. I was thinking it would be Richard.

Assuming she was dead when Rachel first knocked it couldn't be Jim as he was with Richard unless he killed her another way before that. I'm thinking it's the Andros' just because they sort of disappeared for a while.

[Youko Minamino]

Oops. Got names mixed up. It's the other girl in he group whom once dated the cop. If that wasn't Jamie. It's the other girl, put it that way. She's the reason they broke up, but there relationship ended short after as well. Just a shot in the dark.

[lostrune]

Because the last time I thought there was more than one person involved, I was wrong! :D

Hmm, seriously that's something to think about...

BTW, thanks for clearing up that dialog bit between Rachel and her dad.

No problem. BTW, I always do an ongoing edit of my posts, so it would not pay to respond to my posts so soon, because my statements may have changed. :D





As for how she got nude underneath, I'm thinking rape.
Nope. Yukata robes are often worn without any other clothes on. This makes it easy to drop by the hot springs anytime. As for the rape theory, rape has never appeared in a conan episode nor in any of the movies. Remember, it's a kids show in Japan.

Though technically, Detectives Craig and Richard shouldn't discount it.......... in the real world. :shrug:



Really? I thought the 2nd ED theme started on episode 30.

Love is burning.... :D

[PaQ]

Here's a paraphrase of how the scene originally went:

Richard: Where were you this whole time?
Rachel: The outdoor bath.
Richard: The outdoor bath?! It's for both guys and girls! :eek:
Rachel: Don't worry! No one else was there. Right, Conan-kun?
Richard: Hey, you guys took a bath together? :eek:
Rachel: That's right. But Conan-kun was all embarrassed, and it was hard to get him to go.
[To Conan] But wasn't it fun scrubbing each other's back? :sweat:
[Conan splurts noseblood. :o ]
Rachel: A nose bleed? I guess you got it from the bath.
Richard: He probably saw you naked and got excited.
Rachel: That can't be. Conan-kun is still a child!
[Conan thinks: If she ever finds out my true identity, I'm dead for sure! :evil: ]Damn. That scene is pretty funny like that in the original. They certainly don't beat around the bush, that is very cool. Good ol' Conan, much funnier than this english dubbed version. I guess our version relies more on insinuation.

4. BTW, the Next Conan Hint is "Benkei." Edited from Gilles Poitras' The AnimeCompanion:
A legendary (mythical?) warrior monk who challenged samurai on a Kyoto bridge and always won and took their swords. He was finally defeated by and thus became a servant of Minamoto Yo*****une, in whose defense Benkei died in battle still on his feet with multiple arrows on his back. The Deva statues that guard Japanese temples are reminiscent of him.Ah, so that's what the hint was. I was wondering, I had just seen the pic of the statue and some odd name. Hmm, I wonder if this points to any character in particular.. I guess I'd still lean to Craig, but I'd say that anyway since that's where I'm thinking.

4a. And here's another clue for youz just because it's vague: ;)
Any of yaz play ping-pong? I only sometimes do, but I met a friend in college who was ranked 2nd in the state. He always kicked my ass, but I frustrated him because I played against him like a regular tennis player the way I held the racket/paddle and spun the ball. The end. :pI'm assuming the hint is with the grip of holding an object (perhaps the gun), and I have no idea with spin of the ball.. Perhaps Craig deflected the bullet with his paddle? That would just be too impossible.. :anime:

[Prince Valmont]

Hey, I'm the new guy on here, nice to meet you all.
The main reason I joined was this Detective Conan thread going.

My guess that it's Craig. He's got the perfect cover-up as the crime scene investigator or something along those lines of authority. And plus, did anyone see his reaction as he went into the lobby with Rachel & Conan? He seemed suprisingly shocked to see Scott & Nancy in the lobby. And a little time before, when he found Rachel & Conan, he was all sweaty from "that huge workout" of taking the ping pong equipment away. I find those little clues interesting. After all, as a cop or whatever, he may know more about guns then the other suspects..

So yeah. Nice to be here. Can't wait till Monday's conclusion.

[bigddan11]

Here's the additional voice credits for Richard's Class reunion, Part 1:

Chris Cason
Mike McFarland
Christopher R. Sabat (alot of epole have thought Dameon Clarke was him on previous episodes. Clarke does a decent Kuwabara impression, but this was Sabat's actual debut on Case Closed.)
Pam Dougherty
Kyle Hebert
Laurle Steele
Robert McCollum

Now to my opinions on the episode, I didn't get to see Wednesday's episode due to one of my roommates playing my Final Fantasy IX game and then not turning the VCR off when he was done with it. That made me a bit mad, but I was able to catch Part 1, and I began to see why Richard can cal lhimself a detective. Conan may have given him a few hints to get him on the right track, but Richard is the one who realized the evidence made it where it couldn't be a suicide (even before the other detective). I'm impressed that he is also calling out his old roommates, and it was hillarious to see Rachel catching her dad in all these old lies. I give it a 3.5/ 4 or an A.

Now, to the DVD releases, unless FUNi changed their mind, then Season 3, Volume 1 is supposed to only have episodes 53 through 55 because that is what they said it would have nearly 3 months ago. Also when you look at the DVD description, it lists 3 episode names.

[bigddan11]

Here's a link that shows what episodes will be on the second DVD:

http://store.yahoo.com/animenation/fp17812.html

[Prince Valmont]

Why does it go from the first 4 episodes on DVD 1 to episode 53 on DVD 2? Big jump there...




Here's a link that shows what episodes will be on the second DVD:

http://store.yahoo.com/animenation/fp17812.html

[Swordfish_II]

Why does it go from the first 4 episodes on DVD 1 to episode 53 on DVD 2? Big jump there...
Because FUNi wants people to be able to see episodes that aren't on TV.

[RedBoot]

In my opinion, the murder had to take place at the same time as the fireworks, to mask the gunshot. This puts Jim in the clear, since he was with Richard during the fireworks until the very end (at which point I think Jamie was already dead).

This leaves the married couple and Officer McPiccolo as the prime suspects. I can't figure out who from there, though.

Most evidence points to Craig, but there's also some evidence against it, namely the fact that he corrected Richard when Richard automatically assumed it was a suicide. If he killed her and tried to make it look like suicide, then why try to give the only other detective there (that he's aware of, anyway) any other ideas?

As for the married couple, there's no real evidence to support them being the killers other than:

1. They weren't with Richard when I assume Jamie was killed, which was right as the fireworks started (IMO Jamie was dead when Rachel and Conan went up to her room and met Craig).
2. They've been quiet, and it's always the quiet ones.

I think the major pieces of evidence we're missing are:

1. Why Craig and Jamie broke up.
2. Who was the one person who could beat Craig in judo?

I'm thinking Craig right now even though there's still plenty of reasons why it couldn't be him, and the answer to those two questions would clear a lot up. We'll just have to wait on Monday.

Still, the last two parter on the boat was solvable by the end of the first episode, so I have to assume this one is too. The two hints on that episode (bread and sketchbook) both directly pointed to one person, too, and I don't know if the gun and the statue do the same.

The question of who actually picked up the gun is valid, as well, and it seems to me the only people it could have been would be Jamie (since she was there) or Craig (Craig could conceivably have been there, and he would know to pick the gun up with a cloth to avoid fingerprints).

I suppose it could also have been a collaboration between a few of them. Hell, maybe it was all four of them.

[SirLemming]

I haven't seen anything about an edit here. I guess I was wrong. It really looked like there was a classic floating FUNi edit near the end of the episode, on Jamie's head. I have no idea what else they'd be editing since there was a big ol' gun wound with blood coming out of it, but it just looked weird.

So let's see... Jim had that odd trip to the bathroom, looking very flustered when he returned. Conan seemed to notice that. However, he doesn't seem to have a motive.

But then again, does anyone?

I did notice that Conan looked curiously at the hot springs as he walked by. It's possible that Jamie was murdered while in the hot springs, which might explain why she was nude under the robe (which of course was not her robe). I'm not sure what he would see at the hot springs that would make him suspicious, but that's what I'm getting out of it.

As for the statue hint... wow, I have no idea what that could have to do with it.

[tucsoncoyote]

I haven't seen anything about an edit here. I guess I was wrong. It really looked like there was a classic floating FUNi edit near the end of the episode, on Jamie's head. I have no idea what else they'd be editing since there was a big ol' gun wound with blood coming out of it, but it just looked weird.

So let's see... Jim had that odd trip to the bathroom, looking very flustered when he returned. Conan seemed to notice that. However, he doesn't seem to have a motive.

But then again, does anyone?

I did notice that Conan looked curiously at the hot springs as he walked by. It's possible that Jamie was murdered while in the hot springs, which might explain why she was nude under the robe (which of course was not her robe). I'm not sure what he would see at the hot springs that would make him suspicious, but that's what I'm getting out of it.

As for the statue hint... wow, I have no idea what that could have to do with it.Now you've brought up a very valid point and now this is what I am thinking.. and it could really alter my decision off of Jim and Onto Craig...

and this could be something that someone else suggested..

what if Jaime and Jim had a Fling and Craig knew about it.? After all Jaime and Craig had broken up months if not years earlier.. and this makes me wonder..could Craig have caught both of them doing "The Wild Thing" at the Hot Spring? Then after Jim Left, Craig Killed Jaime by Drowning perhaps? then to cover up his tracks disappeared just long enough to inflict a gunshot wound on the Now Dead Corpse?

that's an interesting theory we're going to have to wait for.. and then it shifts blame off of Jim and onto craig...

but then another possibility.. and this could be the key...

Could Jaime and Scott Andros have had a Tryst, and Nancy caught them and Drowned Jaime then without throwing suspicion on anyone taken and made it look like either Jim or Craig could have done it?

after all it's funny that no one is currently suspecting Nancy..but that could change come monday.. so right now the way I got this lined up is as such..

Craig (Primary suspect) Motive Revenge against Jaime for having Tryst with Jim.

Nancy(Secondary suspect) Motive Revenge against Jaime for having Tryst with Scott.

Jim (Tertiary suspect) as Jaime sort of Mocked him he decided to prove what kind of man he was by giving her her wish by killing her

(so right now we got two motives and a third which was sort of a "Mercy Killing")

so let's see which one of these three it is..

:coyote:

[LightShadow1890]

Hiya! LightShadow here. Good thing I managed to see Part One (I always see part 1 of every two parter! Damn it!:mad: ).

At the preview for the episode, The fat guy (Jim? Craig?) said that he saw her (I think her name was Liz, I dunno) on the second floor, peering at him when he took so long at the restroom.

Hey, maybe he did. She must've been mad at him maybe since Craig did something to her and Jim relationship. They must've had a fight, and maybe Craig killed her in self-defense.

I dunno. I like it better to leave the suspense.

The couple couldn't have done it. Beside, they were with Moore, Rachel, and Conan almost all the time. One of them couldn't have gone to the hotel again while the fireworks show. Jim could have been with them and got a good view. Maybe Craig did it during his time at the bathroom or while being lost in the crowd. He had more chances of killing her. And Richard must've gotten his times wrong. It was 3 pm when she left. Craig must've gone to the restroom later, like 4 or 3:30. It was 6:05 PM when they left for the fireworks.

This is a like "Scooby-Doo, Where Are You?" type of thing. Jeez, just leave it as it is and wait for Monday.

Later!

[SirLemming]

what if Jaime and Jim had a Fling and Craig knew about it.? After all Jaime and Craig had broken up months if not years earlier.. and this makes me wonder..could Craig have caught both of them doing "The Wild Thing" at the Hot Spring? Then after Jim Left, Craig Killed Jaime by Drowning perhaps? then to cover up his tracks disappeared just long enough to inflict a gunshot wound on the Now Dead Corpse?
I've got an idea: maybe he shot Jamie underwater, so no one could hear it!

...wait, is that possible?

If it is... Hmm.


Oh, and it's Jamie, not Jaime. Jaime is a male Spanish name.

[Ashara]

I've got an idea: maybe he shot Jamie underwater, so no one could hear it!

...wait, is that possible?

If it is... Hmm.


Oh, and it's Jamie, not Jaime. Jaime is a male Spanish name.
No...because the blood was on the wall and would have washed off in the water.

I don't think the killer shot her at the time of the fireworks, because when Richard and Mr. Piccolovoice examined her, she was already dead for several hours. (The only thing I can think of is that normally before they start to launch fireworks, they fire off a few at certain times before they start (such as 30 min, 15 min, 5 min, etc..) and the shot could have been pre-meditated that way)

[Nftnat]

Drowning! Of course! But that's still a human body's worth of weight, which is a lot to lug back to the hotel.
How about this. Craig took Jamie by surprise at the hot spring, overpowered her, and walked her back to her room, where he shot her. That might account for her having been standing when shot.
Or maybe Nancy caught Scott and Jamie together, or maybe not; maybe it was jealousy which doesn't necessarily need a good reason. Anyway, maybe Nancy drowned Jamie in front of Scott. Scott then, either plagued by guilt or badgered by his wife or both, helped dispose of the body. It could be that they both walked her back to the hotel and shot her there.
As to witnesses, the killer was probably banking on everyone being at the fireworks.
And as to time of death, we have been discussing how things like the hot spring could affect body temperature, rigor mortis, etc; thus throwing off the time of death. I can't speak authoritatively on this subject, but I have heard things.
Well, it's just two days and change to go; we'll see.

[Ashara]

Drowning! Of course! But that's still a human body's worth of weight, which is a lot to lug back to the hotel.
How about this. Craig took Jamie by surprise at the hot spring, overpowered her, and walked her back to her room, where he shot her. That might account for her having been standing when shot.
Or maybe Nancy caught Scott and Jamie together, or maybe not; maybe it was jealousy which doesn't necessarily need a good reason. Anyway, maybe Nancy drowned Jamie in front of Scott. Scott then, either plagued by guilt or badgered by his wife or both, helped dispose of the body. It could be that they both walked her back to the hotel and shot her there.
As to witnesses, the killer was probably banking on everyone being at the fireworks.
And as to time of death, we have been discussing how things like the hot spring could affect body temperature, rigor mortis, etc; thus throwing off the time of death. I can't speak authoritatively on this subject, but I have heard things.
Well, it's just two days and change to go; we'll see.
Somehow I don't think it was drowning...
I think there should be at least some traces of water if drowning was the way the killer killed Jamie.

[PaQ]

Ok, after taking some time off, I think I've got a good reason to accuse Craig.

Perhaps Jamie was the one that had beaten Craig before, and he'd found out that Jim was perhaps seeing Jamie. So when he saw Jim leave and come back, he saw the perfect opportunity to blame Jim with the murder. So when he went to put away the TT equipment, he went up and killed Jamie, then took her to the hotsprings to alter the time things would have seemingly happened earlier, since he did say he took a shower or something to that account when he ran into Rachel and Conan in the hallway. Perhaps he had to get rid of his blood clothes.


I was working on a theory of perhaps Jim being in on the murder and perhaps actually killing her and then leaving her in the hotsprings, since he was seemingly sweating when he returned to the tt room, but I can't figure out why Craig would go along with it in that scenario.

[see201]

Still, the last two parter on the boat was solvable by the end of the first episode, so I have to assume this one is too.
It is, acutally! ;) There's a REALLY BIG mistake the killer makes in the first episode :eek: and I haven't seen it posted here yet. Maybe it was editied out in the translation, however, as I've only seen the Japanese version and don't get the cartoon network here in Canada. :(

[HumanoidTyphoon]

One thing that seemed odd to me that I don't think anyone pointed out is when Richard explains how she shot herself Craig suddenly looks kinda nervous.

I like the idea that there was no gun fired but the bullet was launched with a ping pong paddle.

[Master Moron]

It is, acutally! ;) There's a REALLY BIG mistake the killer makes in the first episode :eek: and I haven't seen it posted here yet. Maybe it was editied out in the translation, however, as I've only seen the Japanese version and don't get the cartoon network here in Canada. :(

You mean, putting a man's robe on her body? I still can't figure out why he did that. I mean, she must have had a robe herself. Unless, as others have mentioned, she was sleeping with someone and they traded robes somehow. Or wait, maybe Jaime got out of the shower and she was naked and the killer shot her naked, but wanted it to look like a suicide, and most people don't commit suicide naked, so he put his robe on her. The shower could also perhaps change the amount of time it takes for rigor mortis to set in.

[SirLemming]

Anyone have any theories as to what the hint could possibly have to do with it? I sure can't think of anything.

The spoiler here is only due to the fact that I discuss the hint. (Are we past that at this point?)

The statue was near the hot springs, right?
...
...That's all I got.

Something tells me this is one of those hints that won't make sense until we find out something else about it in part 2.


Whatever it is, there's no way the hot springs don't have anything to do with it. Why else would they even have it in the story?
...oh, right. It's an anime. But still, Conan looked at it suspiciously that one time.

Hmm... If someone drowned Jamie, or at least used the hot springs to alter rigor mortis, perhaps he dried her off with her robe so she wouldn't have lots of traces of water on her at the "crime scene", and then, realizing that her robe would seem too damp, put his dry robe on her.

[Ashara]

Anyone have any theories as to what the hint could possibly have to do with it? I sure can't think of anything.

The spoiler here is only due to the fact that I discuss the hint. (Are we past that at this point?)

The statue was near the hot springs, right?
...
...That's all I got.

Something tells me this is one of those hints that won't make sense until we find out something else about it in part 2.


Whatever it is, there's no way the hot springs don't have anything to do with it. Why else would they even have it in the story?
...oh, right. It's an anime. But still, Conan looked at it suspiciously that one time.

Hmm... If someone drowned Jamie, or at least used the hot springs to alter rigor mortis, perhaps he dried her off with her robe so she wouldn't have lots of traces of water on her at the "crime scene", and then, realizing that her robe would seem too damp, put his dry robe on her.
But after giving his robe to hers...where would he get another?

I really like your theory though. Maybe she was already dead after she was shot

[SirLemming]

But after giving his robe to hers...where would he get another?

He switched 'em.

...of course, if that were the case, they'd just have to notice one of the males wearing a female robe...

Maybe he really is naked, but it's like The Emperor's New Clothes... ...in reverse.

[SirLemming]

(hint discussion)

Okay, I saw this part on the tape again... When I thought Conan was looking at something in the hot springs, he was actually looking at the statue. It showed them all walking past the statue, then it cut to a close-up of Conan turning his head, then it cut to an exterior shot from the hot springs, then it cut to Conan walking away with his head turned, looking back.
I wonder why they cut to the hot springs.
And I didn't notice anything different about the statue... but maybe he did?

Of course, that was long before the fireworks. It was also before the table tennis. But it was right after Jamie left to "take a nap".

[lostrune]

Here's a link that shows what episodes will be on the second DVD:

http://store.yahoo.com/animenation/fp17812.html

Or go directly to FUNi's store for info: http://www.zstore.com/Search.bok?keyword=dvd



In my opinion, the murder had to take place at the same time as the fireworks, to mask the gunshot. This puts Jim in the clear, since he was with Richard during the fireworks until the very end (at which point I think Jamie was already dead).

No, he wasn't. Jim left in the middle of fireworks and never came back, remember. The same for the others - they all never made it to the viewing-spot.




At the preview for the episode, The fat guy (Jim? Craig?) said that he saw her (I think her name was Liz, I dunno) on the second floor, peering at him when he took so long at the restroom.

Or............... he could be lying. ;)




The couple couldn't have done it. Beside, they were with Moore, Rachel, and Conan almost all the time.

They were with Moore et. al. about as much (or lack of it) as Craig. All 3 never left the table tennis room, and all 3 were late to the fireworks, and yet all 3 never made it to the viewing-spot.



I've got an idea: maybe he shot Jamie underwater, so no one could hear it!

Hmmm... about that.... ;)
to muffle the sound, then later splash blood on the wall to make it look like she died there....? :D



It is, acutally! ;) There's a REALLY BIG mistake the killer makes in the first episode :eek: and I haven't seen it posted here yet. Maybe it was editied out in the translation, however, as I've only seen the Japanese version and don't get the cartoon network here in Canada. :(

It wasn't posted, but don't worry - it was kept. I just didn't say anything about it. ;)



Anyone have any theories as to what the hint could possibly have to do with it? I sure can't think of anything.

Well, I already tried to help ya guys out in my "Deep Thoughts" about this ep. The rest is up to you. :p




I really like your theory though. Maybe she was already dead after she was shot

Goodness knows she couldn't have been still alive after she was shot, right? :anime:

[bigddan11]

Or go directly to FUNi's store for info: http://www.zstore.com/Search.bok?keyword=dvd :anime:
Actually FUNi's store gives the Volume names, but it doesn't give any specifics regarding the DVD until about 2 weeks in advance, and sometimes not even until afterwards. You always have to go to other sites to find out the actual episodes.

[lostrune]

Are we gonna keep this thread for Part 2?
Or will there be a new thread for the week?

[RedBoot]

No, he wasn't. Jim left in the middle of fireworks and never came back, remember. The same for the others - they all never made it to the viewing-spot.
Like I said, he was there until the very end, when he left Richard. His leaving was suspicious, and his excuse was weak, but I think Jamie was already dead at this point.

However, the weakness of Jim's excuse at that point is what leads me to still consider if there's more than one person in on the murder.

[Yash]

The theory on McYamcha getting revenge on Jamie for being better than him at Judo is nothing. You see, when he was talking to Rachel about the only person that could beat him, he clarified the person as a he, by saying "I could never beat him" and "he's staying at this hotel".

[see201]

The theory on McYamcha getting revenge on Jamie for being better than him at Judo is nothing. You see, when he was talking to Rachel about the only person that could beat him, he clarified the person as a he, by saying "I could never beat him" and "he's staying at this hotel".This is one problem about translation to English. In Japanese they can say things using gender neutral wordings. It's a lot harder to do in English, so things people say sometimes can give more away.

Well, if it's not Jamie who's better at Judo, then who could it be, I wonder... Hmmm.... :D

[HolyPineapple]

I'm NEW, as you can see what of I wrote above. Not that I'm new to Case Closed. Just was reading and wanted to watch. I bought the books, you see, so I... um... already know who the killer is....... and that's about all. .... *groans* Ignore my randomness....

[SirLemming]

I saw the episode again as my brother was watching the tape, and it's looking more and more like everyone was in on it. Or at least a few of them. There was just so much suspicious going on. Jim was the most suspicious, but everyone was being kinda weird. The most obvious example is that they were all MIA during the fireworks.

And about the fireworks... Rachel and Conan got to Jamie's door 1 minute after the fireworks started (that's not my counting; they said so themselves). If the gun was fired at that time, that doesn't leave much time for the criminal(s) to go through the process of staging the suicide and escaping in time. It's still physically possible, but the difficulty is something to consider. Also, despite it being physically possible, they couldn't have known that they had to rush it. They couldn't have known that Rachel and Conan would be coming back at that time.

One piece of evidence related to that: When Rachel and Conan came back, I believe there was some old servant lady in the main hall. So they'd have to have planned it in such a way that she wouldn't know about the murder, knowing that she's always in the house.

They should examine the robe to see if the blood on it looks like spots or splatters -- in other words, whether it was on when she was shot or it was put on afterward. I'm not sure how useful that info would be, but it would be interesting.

[HolyPineapple]

And about the fireworks... Rachel and Conan got to Jamie's door 1 minute after the fireworks started (that's not my counting; they said so themselves). If the gun was fired at that time, that doesn't leave much time for the criminal(s) to go through the process of staging the suicide and escaping in time.

Wait... remember that they said Jamie was shot at 3PM? That leaves the killers much time to kill her and leave and be done with it.

[Duke]

Stupid question, but couldn't the gun have had a muffler barrel attached when the weapon was fired, then removed afterwards to make it look like a suicide?

[Sampo]

Stupid question, but couldn't the gun have had a muffler barrel attached when the weapon was fired, then removed afterwards to make it look like a suicide?Silencer? Depends on the type of gun though. If I knew more about guns, I would give a better answer than that :( Oh well.


Wait... remember that they said Jamie was shot at 3PM? That leaves the killers much time to kill her and leave and be done with it.Not really, Richard and Craig came to that conclusion since Rigor Mortis had already set in. Problem is that if she was in the hot springs, that can alter/accelerate the time Rigor Mortis takes affect.

So her death could have taken place after 3 PM. It would make more sense if she was shot during the fireworks as the sound of the fireworks would drown out the sound and there would have been very little people around.

Oops forgot to say, hello there and welcome to the board/thread. BTW, cute avatar.


After reading these past posts here is the revised events that I believed took place:

Jim left the Ping Pong match to meet up with Jamie. The both of them discuss various things and maybe they talked about having a closer relationship.

Jim returns to the Ping Pong match, I'm still uncertain why he looks nervous or sweating.

After the match, Craig is taking back the supplies and spots Jamie in the hot springs.

Craig also gets into the bath and talk about old times. Jamie tells Craig about Jim (maybe about their relationship getting closer).

Craig is dumbfounded and disgusted at this. Corny idea--> Jamie had beaten Craig at Ping Pong on numberous occasions so he views her as a person to look up to. That's why he was going out with Jamie during College.

So Craig asked Jamie to head back to her room so they could discuss something privately. There Craig pulls out the gun he retrieved at that crime scene and shoots her in the head just as the fireworks go off. He places the gun in her hand and leaves the room.

Craig then goes off to do something (change clothes?) and when he returns he runs into Rachel and Conan who are outside Jamie's room.

That's about it. I have no idea about the men's robe Jamie is wearing. Unless that is Craig's robe... But the robe Craig is wearing looks correct fit for him, so GAAAHHH. :sweat: Looking forward to tomorrow to see how this story finishes up.

[Happy]

Guns are hard to find in Japan, right? Then a silencer would be nearly impossible to get, especially since the murderer had the weapon only for a short while.

[Gruntling]

I love 2-parters. Moonlight Sonata and Smooth Sailing have been my favorite episodes so far. Because the episodes are divided into two, the case always leaves you on edge at first, and it gives you lots of time to think.

Anyway on this case, I'm not entirely sure who did it, but I think know how it was done. Because Jamie was found almost nude, this would lead me to think her murder took place near the hot springs. Perhaps she was shot underneath the water? The killer could overpower her and force her into the springs. Then the killer could pull the trigger and the water would surely "drown" out any noise. (No pun intended...:D ) Then it would just be a simple case of drying her off, putting on a new robe, and making it look like suicide by placing the gun in her hand. I do not know what the motive could have been though...

I give "Richard's Class Reunion Part I" an A.

[Happy]

What about the blood on the wall?

[LightShadow1890]

Alright, here's what I think:

(No hint)

Jim: while during his bathroom break, he might've went up to Jamie's room, just to talk (this might be weird, but I'm not a detective and I'm trying to plug up everything with the preview). Could have been that Craig and Jamie broke up because of Jim. Jamie could've have gotten mad at him, like a druken rage. Jim grabbed the gun (Jamie could've actually been planning suicide) and killed her. In an rush he came back to the Ping Pong match. When he said he got lost in the crowd, he must've actually went back to the hotel, made it look like a suicide, and changed her robe (could've gotten blood on it), then, when knowing the fireworks show might be over, went downstairs to eat. The gun may have a silencer, but she was killed during 3 PM (several hours), and she can't be killed during the fireworks show. Then the whole time thing wouldnn't make any sense.

Craig: It must've been after the Ping Pong match. He went up to Jamie's to talk. Jamie must've gotten mad or something. Whatever provoked him, Craig fired the gun. I'm not sure if any could've murdered her during the show, becuase Rachel and Conan went back at the beginning. But wasn't Craig at the hallway when Rachel and Conan were there? But it doesn't make any sense becuase he and the couple were at the lobby. He might've pretended to go with the couple when they seperated with Rachel and Conan, then went back to the hotel, covered up everything, then went with the couple. They must've got a good spot for them to disappear.

Or maybe Jim and Craig both did it. I don't know though. :shrug:

I'm not sure with the hint. Like one of you said, the statue was near the bath springs. Considering that, maybe Jim got to her at the baths (which might explain why he was flushing when he came back. Conan was really hot when he got back from the springs), or Craig......but that doesn't explain the blood on the wall. Soaked up some bloody water and made it look like the murder just took there?

I'll have to watch...but it's at one in the morning. :sad:

[HolyPineapple]

What about the blood on the wall?

Well, if Jamie was standing up when she was killed, then the bullet shot through her head would cause mass blood to shoot out of the side of her head facing the wall, and then there would be blood all over the wall. And if you looked closely then you would see that there is a giant splatter of blood, and then a trail that leads downward as if she slid down the wall.

Oh, and also she couldn't have been shot in the onsen. That would be... well.... let's just say all the blood would get into the water and the water would turn bright red and EVERYONE would know that she was shot in the water and there would be no reason to believe she commited suicide.

[tucsoncoyote]

Well, if Jamie was standing up when she was killed, then the bullet shot through her head would cause mass blood to shoot out of the side of her head facing the wall, and then there would be blood all over the wall. And if you looked closely then you would see that there is a giant splatter of blood, and then a trail that leads downward as if she slid down the wall.

Oh, and also she couldn't have been shot in the onsen. That would be... well.... let's just say all the blood would get into the water and the water would turn bright red and EVERYONE would know that she was shot in the water and there would be no reason to believe she commited suicide.and yes you brought up a VERY valid point here Holy Pineapple..and in fact there are a NUMBER of things wrong here.. in fact one of them is perhaps the way the body was Positioned in relation to the wall stained with blood, and the gunshot wound..(Ballistics are all wrong!)

I mean Sampo if you could post up a PICTURE of crime scene tonight please and thank you you'll notice something doesn't add up here..

The Stain on the wall comes straight down the wall (while the gunshot wound is at roughly a 45 Degre angle to the wall (to the right temple of the head)

(which means the bullet would have left a stain to the left of the victim.. yet the victim would have had to turn to the left to get the desired streak effect behind her.)

The problem is if you look at the victim, (Jaime) she's Laying Paralell to the wall! (Hence the Ballistics of the "Suicide" are all off.. also if you look the blood is streaked down the wall like she slumped down after she was shot.. but again ballistics would disprove this..and in fact as if the gun shot was done even by the killer the head would have had to be turned 45 degrees to the left to get the desired effect (and if you look at the intial shot of the crime scene when everyone finds Jaime Dead.. again the Head is Perpindicular to the wall!

(so perhaps the killer (after killing Jaime by some other means turned her head to the left and shot her in the head..then making it look like a suicide by placing the gun in the hand (but forgetting to put the finger in the trigger lock.. makes this indeed more of a murder then a suicide..

after all the ballistics don't add up (as even a bullet in the head doesn't usually variate in it's path unless it hits a very solid object (the skull is so thin that even a slight bit of deflection would occur, but not a sharp 45 degree angle turn to the left (from the bullet's POV)

but who did it? Well we'll have to see tonight.. but again we have 3 potential suspects...

Jim (who is the most Likely but the least one to do it..)
Craig, (best bet right now, but probably is a case of Good Cop gone bad)
Nancy..(finds Scott in the room with Jaime making out and shoots her..)

that's all I'm going to say.. after all this could get real interesting tonight.

:coyote:

[Sampo]

and yes you brought up a VERY valid point here Holy Pineapple..and in fact there are a NUMBER of things wrong here.. in fact one of them is perhaps the way the body was Positioned in relation to the wall stained with blood, and the gunshot wound..(Ballistics are all wrong!)

I mean Sampo if you could post up a PICTURE of crime scene tonight please and thank you you'll notice something doesn't add up here..
...
Sure here you go, if you need another one just ask.


http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/shot2.jpg

[Yash]

Maybe it was everyone? They all had their reasons.

1) Craig: he and Jamie broke up.
2) Jim: Jamie being an ass to him, as well as that "Loser's Club" bit.
3) Nancy: See last part of above (Loser's Club).
4) Scott: Loser's Club.
5) Richard: ...

[tucsoncoyote]

Sure here you go, if you need another one just ask.




http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Detective%20Conan/shot2.jpg
Nope Sampo that's perfect.. and yep sure enough.. there's the proof..I mean also if this was the case, the bullet exit point would have been to the point at the center of the top of the Stain with is off camera..)

but because you notice the head is turned.. that's the KEY tip off.

:coyote:

[LightShadow1890]

and yes you brought up a VERY valid point here Holy Pineapple..and in fact there are a NUMBER of things wrong here.. in fact one of them is perhaps the way the body was Positioned in relation to the wall stained with blood, and the gunshot wound..(Ballistics are all wrong!)

I mean Sampo if you could post up a PICTURE of crime scene tonight please and thank you you'll notice something doesn't add up here..

The Stain on the wall comes straight down the wall (while the gunshot wound is at roughly a 45 Degre angle to the wall (to the right temple of the head)

(which means the bullet would have left a stain to the left of the victim.. yet the victim would have had to turn to the left to get the desired streak effect behind her.)

The problem is if you look at the victim, (Jaime) she's Laying Paralell to the wall! (Hence the Ballistics of the "Suicide" are all off.. also if you look the blood is streaked down the wall like she slumped down after she was shot.. but again ballistics would disprove this..and in fact as if the gun shot was done even by the killer the head would have had to be turned 45 degrees to the left to get the desired effect (and if you look at the intial shot of the crime scene when everyone finds Jaime Dead.. again the Head is Perpindicular to the wall!

(so perhaps the killer (after killing Jaime by some other means turned her head to the left and shot her in the head..then making it look like a suicide by placing the gun in the hand (but forgetting to put the finger in the trigger lock.. makes this indeed more of a murder then a suicide..

after all the ballistics don't add up (as even a bullet in the head doesn't usually variate in it's path unless it hits a very solid object (the skull is so thin that even a slight bit of deflection would occur, but not a sharp 45 degree angle turn to the left (from the bullet's POV)

but who did it? Well we'll have to see tonight.. but again we have 3 potential suspects...

Jim (who is the most Likely but the least one to do it..)
Craig, (best bet right now, but probably is a case of Good Cop gone bad)
Nancy..(finds Scott in the room with Jaime making out and shoots her..)

that's all I'm going to say.. after all this could get real interesting tonight.

:coyote:
Her body could have been moved, or she moved due to the gunshot. Then, the person could've changed her, then put her body in an upright position, having her body against her.

Or, she was hit sideways, but then, she would fall vertically. :sad:

Considering my way of how dear Jamie was murdered, the trickles of blood could've been made by the killer, whatever time he/she had to make the change.

They didn't show if the back was bloody or not. Even if the angle was different, the back of her head should have gotten blood stains, or the hole the gun shot went out (if it did). And if the bullet hit the wall, it could've stayed there or fell, leaving an indent. There was none.

Sorry if my reasons did not make any sense, or it didn't seem right, but I was trying to explain. I'm no detective, that's for sure.

PS: Or maybe she was hit in the head position she was found. It could explain the splatter of blood. And she might've fallen horizontally. Anybody's brain clicked from this?:confused:

[tucsoncoyote]

Her body could have been moved, or she moved due to the gunshot. Then, the person could've changed her, then put her body in an upright position, having her body against her.

Or, she was hit sideways, but then, she would fall vertically. :sad:

Considering my way of how dear Jamie was murdered, the trickles of blood could've been made by the killer, whatever time he/she had to make the change.

They didn't show if the back was bloody or not. Even if the angle was different, the back of her head should have gotten blood stains, or the hole the gun shot went out (if it did). And if the bullet hit the wall, it could've stayed there or fell, leaving an indent. There was none.

Sorry if my reasons did not make any sense, or it didn't seem right, but I was trying to explain. I'm no detective, that's for sure.

PS: Or maybe she was hit in the head position she was found. It could explain the splatter of blood. And she might've fallen horizontally. Anybody's brain clicked from this?:confused:Actually LightShadow1890, good theory but here is one FLAW in that..
and again refer to the pic..(and Also I'm no detective either, but I am a Keen Observer)

Now that I see the entry point.. and the blood pattern in the back.. there is no way the body could have ended up in that position..

after all when a suicide occurs, the body would either end up Face up or more likely Face Down... also note the entry wound.. since it's against the right side of the temple and the blood pattern would to the victim's left.. the victim wouldn't be ending up in that particular position.. they would be almost 90 Degrees to the way the body is shown...(Either face up or more likely face down.. after all remember the elevator case.. where the body was readjusted with the back to the door so that wnen the body fell out guess what? SHe ended up face up!)

and It's very UNLIKELY that Dear Jaime would have turned her head 90 Degrees to the left just to inflict that wound.. It's theoretically not possible to turn the head more then 90 degrees anyway.. besides usually when a death like this occurs the body also would fall in the direction the body was looking so therefore, if Jaime was standing and looking left odds are very good that the body would fall to the left..and there would be some sort of Blood pattern where the body hit the floor..(or a pooling effect..)

sorry to blow a hole in that theory, but hey, that's the logic behind human physics.. and ballistics..

:coyote:

[SirLemming]

Wait... remember that they said Jamie was shot at 3PM? That leaves the killers much time to kill her and leave and be done with it.
I'm just offering a possible refutation to the theory that she was shot when the fireworks went off. The killer(s) only had 1 minute to properly arrange the crime scene and run away, assuming they did it as quickly as possible, which they might not have if they didn't know Rachel and Conan were coming.

[Nftnat]

I don't suppose it's possible that the bullet went through her and out a window, nicking the (clue to tonight's episode), is it? Other than that, I'm still of the hot spring persuasion. Well, we'll find out in a couple of hours now, and I'm not going to be back here until several hours afterward. Things happen.

Have fun discussing the way it was done and how it doesn't fit. Good night everybody.

[HolyPineapple]

Wait... remember that they said Jamie was shot at 3PM? That leaves the killers much time to kill her and leave and be done with it.

Heh heh. Funneh, quoting myself... o.O;;. Just wanted to say I COMPLETELY take this back, since after rereading the episode and carefully seeing what was written about when she was shot, I realized that no, she could not have been shot at 3PM. I'll just go with what everyone else says, she being shot during when the Fireworks were on. They'll explain about the statue and what it's meaning is, I hope, and it better be similar to that of the book, or I won't be able to improve my Japanese.... *cough* *cough* *stupidFuni* *cough* *cough* *cough*

[SirLemming]

One last piece of evidence I want to remind everyone of, since I didn't see any comments on it:

When Rachel, Conan, Richard, and Jim (and others?) were going to the fireworks show and Rachel realized that Jamie wasn't with them, Jim said that she said she would set her alarm. Of course, Jamie NEVER said that, as Rachel herself pointed out.

This definitely implicates Jim. He lied for no particular reason. Of course, there are many possible reasons for the lie, and it doesn't mean he's the only perpetrator.

[lostrune]

I'm just offering a possible refutation to the theory that she was shot when the fireworks went off. The killer(s) only had 1 minute to properly arrange the crime scene and run away, assuming they did it as quickly as possible, which they might not have if they didn't know Rachel and Conan were coming.

Good point. In that scenario, the killer or killers wouldn't have expected anybody to come so soon, so he/she/they wouldn't have anticipated to work so quickly, resulting in most likely caught unprepared.... Hmmmm....


BTW, expect to see Conan's tranquilizer watch though.
Just to warn ya and head off any complaints of its overuse. ;)

[tucsoncoyote]

I don't suppose it's possible that the bullet went through her and out a window, nicking the (clue to tonight's episode), is it? Other than that, I'm still of the hot spring persuasion. Well, we'll find out in a couple of hours now, and I'm not going to be back here until several hours afterward. Things happen.
That's True there Nftnat, but I was thinking.. How could a bullet fly out a window and strike (Tonight's clue) without some way of possibbly hitting a stray passer by? that's the curious part... but we'll see soon enough.. and when we do, Conan's case will be closed..

:coyote:

[HolyPineapple]

Heehee. T'was remarkably funny at the end. I suppose Richard will always be the same ol' guy. Stupid idiot that he is, anyhow.... *cough**cough**pervert**cough**cough* *drops a sign that says "Censored" on Richard's head*