Who was really first? Apple vs Samsung F700 Story Truly Debunked

46 Comments 20 April 2011 by Cory Gunther



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This has been a pretty large story over the last few days. Apple is suing Samsung basically for stealing their iPhone design. A photo appeared showing what is the Samsung F700 claiming it was before the iPhone, and that has started a little firestorm of discussion. Both our sister site SlashGear and all of us here on Android Community have it out for incorrect factoids, thusly here come the dogs – onward, to truth!

This picture above says the F700 was shown at CeBit 2006, and then released in 2007, making Apple and the iPhone the one that copied them. This is completely false. We here love Android, not Apple, but this is a interesting story and I just felt like sharing either way. Even if Apple is in the right. According to the picture the F700 was introduced in 2006, and Apple stole the design. I’m not going to get to deep on this, but the F700 was never seen until February of 2007 and our very own slashgear had it completely covered. This is AFTER Apple announced and showed the world the iPhone January 9th 2007 at MacWorld.

We can go even deeper here also. The photo above mentions that the Samsung F700 was “shown” at CeBit 2006, that is wrong it was 2007. Here is the hard proof.

Here is SlashGears Vincent Nguyen live at Cebit 2007 on March 15th getting a look at the phone, at the end of the video he says an exclusive look is coming next.

Here is the next video, and it shows some hands-on of the F700 looking very much like not-final-hardware, or software for that matter. It barely worked. If they had been working on it since 2006, wouldn’t the review model at Cebit 2007 work better than this video below. You’d think so.

We can even go back to February 7th 2007 with iphonebuzz showing the F700, and mentioning it as a copy, and a possible competitor to the iPhone, clearly after the iPhone. When you really get down to this stories deep roots, it looks like in the beginning Apple had the design and Samsung tried to copy it, but failed miserably. You might also be asking that if the F700 was shown at CeBit 2007, Samsung was certainly working on it well before that during 2006, and that is before the original iPhone got unveiled. So did Samsung have the design first and Apple steal it. We don’t know, but this is some pretty hard evidence. Here is another piece of information for you, the orignal iPhone used many Samsung parts, so the question remains – was Samsung privy to some sort of reference design? Or was Apple privy to some sort of reference design?

Either way it takes way more than a month or even 3 to get a design made up and tested and some review models out. Most likely years. Vincent from Slashgear visited the Apple testing facilities and they even told him most devices take around 2 years to develop and test. Although Apple does seem to test their devices more thoroughly than others. So who started first, who knew what. This is all for you the reader to decide. I’ve already spent way to much of my Android time on this Apple story, so I’m going to leave you with one final piece from iphonebuzz. It is a FCC filing from Apple in October of 2006 about the iPhone, asking for confidentiality regarding many details and documents about the iPhone. Meaning they had been working on it long before that.

So what do you all think? Is Samsung going to get their pants sued off? Tell us below in the comments.


  • http://twitter.com/Chaos_Killer Jeroen Heijster

    The samsung F700 was a phone which I almost bought :) I remember it well lol

    Shame apple has to be a bitch…

  • Nospam

    OK, howabout the LG Prada! That was announced in 2006 and seen in January 2007.

  • Nospam

    OK, howabout the LG Prada! That was announced in 2006 and seen in January 2007.

  • http://jazzper.se Jazzper

    Apple needs to grow up

  • http://jazzper.se Jazzper

    Apple needs to grow up

  • http://sucktackular.com sucktackular

    Things look like other things. Apple needs to get over it. Maybe they’re still bitter about Windows.

  • http://sucktackular.com sucktackular

    Things look like other things. Apple needs to get over it. Maybe they’re still bitter about Windows.

  • http://profiles.google.com/ayoubelie25 Elie Ayoub

    No really… I’m trying hard but I don’t see the resemblance…
    Is it because they both have a big touchscreen??
    HOW do these 2 look alike?

  • Xpple

    yep, they both are just a screen, black border around the screen, plastic at the top and bottom of the screen, and icons. . .

    Funny. . . they aren’t talking about the LG Prada that won the IF award in Sep 2006 and looks like these.

  • Stewart

    The Samsung has more than one button, it could never be confused as an iPhone andApple stole the design from LG.

    Any candybar slate style phone with a big touch screen screen is going to look like any other.

  • http://profiles.google.com/mmartinianoo marti ruiz

    what happen if apple will copy them the next iphone size 4.0 inch

  • kdarling

    Everyone was working on all touchscreen models during 2006. That’s why Apple rushed out the display of the iPhone a half year before it was actually ready for sale. They knew they had to demonstrate something before the early 2007 trade shows, or risk being seen as second or less.

  • kdarling

    Everyone was working on all touchscreen models during 2006. That’s why Apple rushed out the display of the iPhone a half year before it was actually ready for sale. They knew they had to demonstrate something before the early 2007 trade shows, or risk being seen as second or less.

  • moist99

    I am a big Android fan, but I must say I had to look twice when a friend showed me his Galaxy S, and it but me a bit of the galaxy S, I do not want a phone that looks like a Apple Product, even while I am considering strongly to get the new Samsung Galaxy S II, it still something that I don’t like about the phone.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_377KMLXSOX4POJYPHZL6GVNB5E East Coaster

    Really, who cares… Apple sucks –> innovative my @ss they just added Hotspot for the iPhone 4, what 2 years after it was available on Android phones. Lol, they shook up the mobile phone world because they were able to mass market and create a buying frenzy. They’re good marketers; however, as a phone manufacturer they are a FAD item and as a fad, they too shall pass. They have 1 phone. They are losing developers to create apps. They buy all their parts from other manufacturers including Samsung. They launch new phones with old technology and everyone is suppose to pay *more* for it because it’s a premium device. “If you don’t have an iPhone, you don’t have an iPhone.” LMAO, thankful I don’t have an iPhone!! I like customization and free apps!

  • http://twitter.com/xguntherc Cory (xguntherc)

    I didn’t touch bases on the LG Prada, as it was also a very close call regarding who had what first, we wont really know, but I did hear about it winning that award in what Oct 2006. That is when Apple was already filing that FCC paper above, so they were well into deep development.

    We covered the Prada on SlashGear… afterall this is AndroidCommunity. I didn’t wanna talk about apple for long.

    http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-samsung-f700-prada-phone-rumors-debunked-20147320/

  • http://twitter.com/xguntherc Cory (xguntherc)

    I didn’t touch bases on the LG Prada, as it was also a very close call regarding who had what first, we wont really know, but I did hear about it winning that award in what Oct 2006. That is when Apple was already filing that FCC paper above, so they were well into deep development.

    We covered the Prada on SlashGear… afterall this is AndroidCommunity. I didn’t wanna talk about apple for long.

    http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-samsung-f700-prada-phone-rumors-debunked-20147320/

  • SFreptile

    Who is going to care who’s first anymore with the new changes in the U.S. patent laws rewarding first to file not first to invent.

    Well, first to file is 4F, i.e., First to File Fosters Fraud. Anyway, Apple with its 200 patent apps. will recapture what was old and claim it is new and win. Just my opinion people.

  • WiredEarp

    It doesn’t really look like an apple product, apart from the flat screen (duh) and the big home button. Which is a different shape, and its not exactly like there are many options for where to put a button.

    Galaxy S has 3 buttons which straight away provide differentiation…

  • WiredEarp

    I actually think the app store is better on Android. It really annoys me having to enter a password to ‘buy’ a free app on the apple store… I know it caches it for 30 minutes or so but still a PITA, and was a bit difficult to explain to my dad that he needed to put in his credit card to download a FREE app for his iPad…

  • Anonymous

    How is the iPhone ‘old technology’? Either way, the end experience is much more polished. Marketing only goes so far and if you think marketing is why the iPhone is outselling the Galaxy, you are in need of a reality check.

    “innovative my @ss they just added Hotspot for the iPhone 4″

    Yeah, you forgot the main part: the iPhone 4.

    You need to stop being so biased. Everyone can see right through your fanboyism and you aren’t contributing to the conversation. You can dislike the way a product works, but to say it had no contribution to the market because you hear the world “Apple” is too much.

  • Anonymous

    How is the iPhone ‘old technology’? Either way, the end experience is much more polished. Marketing only goes so far and if you think marketing is why the iPhone is outselling the Galaxy, you are in need of a reality check.

    “innovative my @ss they just added Hotspot for the iPhone 4″

    Yeah, you forgot the main part: the iPhone 4.

    You need to stop being so biased. Everyone can see right through your fanboyism and you aren’t contributing to the conversation. You can dislike the way a product works, but to say it had no contribution to the market because you hear the world “Apple” is too much.

  • Anonymous

    And when it was shown, people were blown away by how fluidly it worked. Everything on the demo was what you got when it was released.

    What do you call the F700 after watching the video? I’m sure that phone was developed and tested long before the iPhone.

    /sarcasm

  • Anonymous

    And when it was shown, people were blown away by how fluidly it worked. Everything on the demo was what you got when it was released.

    What do you call the F700 after watching the video? I’m sure that phone was developed and tested long before the iPhone.

    /sarcasm

  • Anonymous

    Say that to HTC and Motorola who are both making ‘candybar slate’ phones with huge screens that don’t make you think “iPhone” when you see it.

    By your logic, all houses would look the same because they are ‘boxes with doors and windows’

    While other companies are happily designing their own products to further innovation and push the design envelope, Samsung is trying to ride the coattails of Apple. That is not a company that deserves respect.

  • Bad

    or was both copies from myorigos mydevice from 2003?

  • PatentERA_Sundown

    Patent lawsuits become a marketing move to call somebody a copypaster and itself as an innovator.

    NOKIA which can’t win the 40-patents lawsuit against Apple, without which Apple couldn’t create ANY phone or tablet means that tech patents are finally nothing but a kind of media pressure on competitors.

  • Anonymous

    So are you saying a phone can be developed, redesigned in a month?

  • Anonymous

    I see you missed the part when he mentioned LG, which I assume he is referring to the Prada. Actually demoed, reviewed in 2006, released before the iPhone.

    If its about Touchwiz, I kinda agree. But the hardware? Naw…

  • Stuart

    Yeah, next we should address automotive makers, tire manufacturers, clothes manufacturers, etc. for all “riding the coat tails” of some competitor who follow established convention to create products in a form factor that consumers expect, or a form factor that is the best way to achieve an objective.

  • Stuart

    Yeah, next we should address automotive makers, tire manufacturers, clothes manufacturers, etc. for all “riding the coat tails” of some competitor who follow established convention to create products in a form factor that consumers expect, or a form factor that is the best way to achieve an objective.

  • Anonymous

    The Galaxy outsold iPhone in Japan, S.Korea and even the European region.

    iPhone is failing because they innovated on the initail device and then sat on it for years. How long did it take the iPhone to get a camera when even the cheapest flip phone had them? It took how long to implement Multitasking, SMS, MMS? Apple has stirred up a market it can no longer compete in.

    Take the iPhone 5. If rumored correctly it should be dual core. By the time it is release, the first quad core phone will be announced within to months (if Apple can . Not to mention other phones with 1080p recording, 3D recording, glasses free 3D screens, even the Android OS is becoming more polished than iOS because it Apple just cannot keep up.

    Apple is an excellent designer. However, other manufacters are continually implementing better hardware, sturdier and better looking designs, and OSes that are growing at an amazing rate. Apple is about to get steamrolled by a market that it made it what it is today. (talk about drowning in your own feces)

  • Anonymous

    Right right…how many features did it have at launch again?

  • Anonymous

    The iPhone is losing market share and Apple is desperately trying to hold on the the King of the Hill title by suing anyone that wants to release a device that might actually be good.

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/Hadar.Milner Hadar

    Just like what happened in the PC market wars, soon mr Jobes will retire and Apple will dwindle back to it’s niche market.

    Sad, but no amount of marketing double-talk bullshit can prevent it.

  • Dai

    That’s clearly just bullshit. Apple has over 40% of the market in Japan and Europe, Android less than 20%. A single Android handset is clearly not outselling the iPhone there. In Korea, maybe, because Samsung is Korean

  • Dai

    If Apple isn’t innovative, why did Android abandon it’s plans for a Blackberry type phone and go back to the drawing board to produce an iPhone-alike?

  • Dai

    Apple’s suit against Samsung is about the trade dress of Samsung’s products aping Apple’s, alleging that Samsung have based a whole range of aspects of their design on Apple products. It’s not just about a grid of icons, or a black rectangular case, or a touchscreen with one prominent button: it’s about the whole package, including the Galaxy Tab and the Galaxy Player. Have you seen Samsung’s accessories for the Tab? A keyboard dock, just like iPad; a non-keyboard dock, just like iPad; a case with a folding cover, just like iPad; even white headphones, just like iPad. They could at least have made the headphones black! Compare the picture of the Tab case on this site with the case for the original iPad:
    http://androidheadlines.com/2010/08/found-accessories-for-samsung-galaxy-tab.html

    And before anyone says it’s obvious, it’s only obvious after someone does it first.

  • Tryten9

    I said nothing of marketshare. It is going o take some time for anyone to unseat Apple’s large portion of the market. We all know that. It is a fact that Samsung did outsell the iPhone in all of those Areas.

    Don’t get upset, it was bound to happen. Apple is known for stirring things up and then falling flat on its face.

  • willy

    the truth is, the Android is a bit of a different animal and there are still Blackberry-esq Android phones being made.

    Android doesn’t make phone, it runs on them. Google, who created Android have commissioned several phones, but the majority of Android phones are designed and made by traditional phone companies like HTC, Samsung etc.

    each of these can customize Android to fit the device.

  • willy

    the truth is, the Android is a bit of a different animal and there are still Blackberry-esq Android phones being made.

    Android doesn’t make phone, it runs on them. Google, who created Android have commissioned several phones, but the majority of Android phones are designed and made by traditional phone companies like HTC, Samsung etc.

    each of these can customize Android to fit the device.

  • willy

    the last report I read showed that in the UK, and Germany, (this is wholly O/S based btw) iOS device *sales* have only just begun to be beaten by Android device sales, but that turnaround was pretty fast and immense, so the O/S (but not device) share is looking good for Google right now.

    (personally I’d love to see some more action from PALM-HP and webOS, as Palm were always good at applying new ideas)

    p.s. I have an iPhone 3GS + Galaxy Tab, and at one point (around y2k) had a Windows touchscreen phone, the “Triump Mondo” (got it for free, but it would have cost about the same as a laptop!) that was umm an interesting device…

  • willy

    I still can’t believe how crap both their official appstores are!

    no filtering or sorting by price, annoying browsing through different options of the same app to make your choice. Seems like they’re not designed to have more than a few apps listed in them.

    There are (IMO) better 3rd party appstores available for both!

    I can’t see why they both don’t just give app dev’s an API to the appstores an let the market decide who can make the best app to access it.

    I mean, the web version of the Android market is much better than the App for my liking, so a better appstore can be done.

  • willy

    I’m still bitter about Acorn’s RISCOS
    (being pretty fantastic & innovative, but not gaining a decent share of the market, going under, then having ARM tech, and software features bought up, cannibalized or pillaged by all and sundry!)

    Where’s my RISOC touch phone and tablet!
    I want 1 now!

    Hell, if Duke Nukem is finally going to make a comeback, a shiny new Acorn PC can’t be just a pipe bream, can it?

  • WiredEarp

    You are so correct, and your idea about an API for the appstores is a good one! I mean, you can choose free apps, or free games, etc, but when doing a search, there is no way currently to sort by price as you point out. STUPID…

  • Anonymous

    shame that you are a bitch