ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 684 times:
It's been said that the primary focus (and at times, source of contention) within in the modern Republican party has been the 3Gs--- for those of you unfamiliar, they stand for Gays, Guns, and God; the issues that stir the passion of its base. Some say this current administration has been much more concerned with being Moral Police than Border Police.
And while we're on the subject of policing..... commentators such as Hannity, Savage, and to a lesser extent Limbaugh; have long used the catchphrase of Borders/Language/Culture as a counter to the somewhat crass perception associated with the 3Gs... but now some have gone on to condense BLC into M&M--- Muslims and Mexicans.
So my question is this:
to those here whom are registered as, or identify themselves as, Republicans: which issue means more to you? 3Gs? M&Ms? Economic issues sans social? All three? None of the Above?
NWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4728 posts, RR: 15 Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 677 times:
3Gs and M&Ms to a lesser extent. I want illegals OUT, no matter where they came from. I don't hate Muslims, but I do hate radical Muslims. Gun control is unconstitutional according to the Second Amendment. Shunning religion (especially Christianity) is also unconstitutional according to the First Amendment. Gay rights, I'm sorry, but that's not marriage.
Flying an aeroplane with only a single propeller to keep you in the air. Can you imagine that? -Capt. Picard
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 667 times:
As a traditional Republican, my priorities are:
- Sound fiscal and monetary policy
- Minimal government interferance in business and personal life
- Respect for the Constitution and what it stands for.
- Enforcement of the law
- Strong defence / foreign policy
Gays? I don't give a damn about them. God? That's your business. Guns are covered by the Constitution.
Mexicans and Muslims - see the Enforcement of the Law.
I find your 3G and M&M categories far too simplistic and probably intentionally so.
NWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4728 posts, RR: 15 Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 655 times:
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3): Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
Gun control is unconstitutional according to the Second Amendment
No it isn't
Right to bear arms not phasing you?
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3): Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
Shunning religion (especially Christianity) is also unconstitutional according to the First Amendment.
What on Earth are you talking about?
Freedom to express your own religion without the government interfering.
Flying an aeroplane with only a single propeller to keep you in the air. Can you imagine that? -Capt. Picard
NWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4728 posts, RR: 15 Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 616 times:
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 5): ...nope, just the knowledge that "Right to Bear Arms" in no way equates to "Right to Bear Arms with no restriction/regulation/exclusion imposed"
Licensing I'm all for. Background checks, I'm all for 'em. Banning guns, NO NO NO.
Flying an aeroplane with only a single propeller to keep you in the air. Can you imagine that? -Capt. Picard
That would make Bush a bad Republican since he's been for gun control multiple times.
And as much as some people want me to be a Republican poster child, I don't care about Gays or God... so that's right out. It's kind of funny that it takes such a ridiculously stereotypical definition of Republicans to finally point out my schism with the party
DL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 592 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 600 times:
My number one issue is national defense, because that's the main and most important job of any national government. I guess that falls into the "M&M" category, although that's overly simplistic because the issue has nothing to do with Muslims or Mexicans. It has to do with: 1) people who have been conditioned to hate our free secular society and murder innocents to try to damage free democratic societies, and 2) millions of people illegally coming into this country and using our resources, some of whom may have malicious intent as described in 1). If someone is in one or both of those categories, our government's first responsibility should be to remove them and arrest them if necessary, regardless of their religion or nationality. Republicans have been fair to good at 1) and terrible at 2); Democrats want us to utterly fail at both.
A close second is economics - stop taking people's money and giving it to those who didn't earn it or spending it on useless junk. Republicans have been wasting untold billions of dollars on nondefense spending, but as bad as they are, the Democrats are chomping at the bit to spend even more, and to raise taxes to boot.
I believe gun control has gone too far in this country, especially in certain cities and states, but it's of lesser importance to me than the first two. Republicans are, of course, better on this issue than Democrats.
Gays? Who cares? I think marriage should be a private affair between people and their chosen religion, if any, and they can sign any contract they want for things like joint ownership of property, right to make medical decisions, etc. Failing that, I have no problem with gay marriage. Democrats are better on this issue than Republicans, but it's not a very big issue for me.
God? Ditto. Don't let public schools teach creationism, but don't completely cleanse the country of any reference to religion either. There is a common-sense middle ground, and I don't think either Republicans or Democrats know where it is.
Fr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 2492 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 573 times:
Limited federal government.
Enforcement of current laws, as opposed to making new laws, that won't be enforced. That applies to a whole bunch of topics.
Strong defense. You know, "speak softly, but carry a big stick." But for God's sake, be willing to use the stick in our interest.
Appoint justices who interpret the Constitution, not rewrite it. Rewriting belongs to the people.
As to religion; strict application of the establishment clause. Belief in God is personal and government should stay out of. But, being in a nation where most of the inhabitants regard themselves as religious to some extent, religion can't simply be ignored. But catering to the very few who are offended by religion and use the 1st amendment as a stick, is as wrong as endorseing a religion.
Gun control? Two hands on the firearm at all times. Background checks and see line 2.
Gay marriage? I really don't give a darn.
Border control? Lock it down and let the legal immigration process work.
Official language? That would be English.
Economic policy? Simple; income good, taxes bad. Taxes are a necessary evil. They are a negative influence on the economy. Tax cuts, to an extent, stimulate growth and revenue. This has been proven time and again. But taxes are necessary to make the government work. To provide for the defense and all the necessary buerocracy. But if we look at line 1, we can certainly do better on federal taxes.
I could go on and on.
When seconds count...the authorities are minutes away!
Kalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 514 times:
I'm a Republican-Libertarian. I pretty much agree to other replies.
Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who set the planets in motion.
Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 499 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2): As a traditional Republican, my priorities are:
- Sound fiscal and monetary policy
- Minimal government interferance in business and personal life
- Respect for the Constitution and what it stands for.
- Enforcement of the law
- Strong defence / foreign policy
Gays? I don't give a damn about them. God? That's your business. Guns are covered by the Constitution.
Cfalk, you sound like a true libertarian, not so much a Republican. Regarding fiscal and monetary policy, I'm completely with you. Regarding government regulation of the economy and certain welfare state aspects, the market should come first, however in cases such as public goods and other areas subject to market failure, government intervention is the more efficient solution.
Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1): Shunning religion (especially Christianity) is also unconstitutional according to the First Amendment.
Shunning religion is unconstitutional, however no special preference is specifically given to Christianity.
Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 6):
Licensing I'm all for. Background checks, I'm all for 'em. Banning guns, NO NO NO.
I'm going to agree there but with one stipulation, bring back the assault weapons ban. Need a firearm for personal protection, fine. Need a firearm for hunting purposes, fine. However, there's no need for assault weapons to be in circulation. If you need an AK-47 to go hunting, maybe you should pick up another sport. Regarding personal protection, a hand gun or a shotgun will do just fine.
What is dangerous however, is the possession of guns without proper knowledge of gun safety.
Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 9): God? Ditto. Don't let public schools teach creationism, but don't completely cleanse the country of any reference to religion either. There is a common-sense middle ground, and I don't think either Republicans or Democrats know where it is.
The Republicans seem to eager to flaunt religion everywhere, while the Dems seek to suppress it. The proper place for religion is in the home or the respective Chuch/Mosque/Synagogue. Regarding prayer in schools, it's mind boggling that a simple compromise has not been agreed to. Let there be prayer in schools, but make it in the form of a minute of silence each morning where every student, teacher and administrator is free to have a silent prayer to them self, regarding whichever religion they follow.
StealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 4641 posts, RR: 53 Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 489 times:
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 5): ...nope, just the knowledge that "Right to Bear Arms" in no way equates to "Right to Bear Arms with no restriction/regulation/exclusion imposed".
Damnit C.Boy over the years I have found much to disagree with you but you got me with ths one!!
Of course old planes are safe, how do you think they got to be old?
Fr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 2492 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 438 times:
I don't give a darn. They want to get married, have a ball. I apathetic. I don't think we need any new laws to protect marriage or gays. Let the people of the various states decide. Of course it will eventually go to the SCOTUS due to the ...full faith... clause (I believe), but it should be up to the people not the Federal Government.
Quoting Cba (Reply 13): bring back the assault weapons ban
The assault weapons ban was the stupidest piece of feel good legislation ever passed. All I had to do to bring one of my firearms into compliance was remove the bayonet lug. What the hell good did that do? Please see my 2nd point in post 10.
When seconds count...the authorities are minutes away!
MDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 425 times:
Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 18): The assault weapons ban was the stupidest piece of feel good legislation ever passed. All I had to do to bring one of my firearms into compliance was remove the bayonet lug. What the hell good did that do?
You didn't even need to do that.
The AWB grandfathered pre-existing weapons. Nothing need to be brought into compliance. To make a new one though, you had to remove the bayonet lug or flash suppressor.
Thetuna From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 140 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 407 times:
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 22): Absolutely! The notion that Christians are somehow being persecuted in the US is load of BS.
I don't think that the poster ever used the word persecute. SIR you seem to think in the extremes, please try looking at all sides.
He just ate the big one! Hog!...get away from that thing!! Just get away from it!
25 JpetekYXMD80: America? Marriage? Decide? The? You seem about as educated as your commentary. Really, how so? Do explain the sparkling record majority opinion has w
26 Thetuna: Thanks for pointing out the mistakes So you let one judge decide whats best for america. You have got to be kidding. I would love to hear the next de
27 Delta787: Economic issues are the main reason I identify with the Republicans. I guess national defense is another reason I am a Republican, On social issues, m
28 JpetekYXMD80: One judge? You advocate dis-empowerment of the entire judicial process as a viable part of the governmental landscape. All we get from you is the sam
29 Thetuna: Uhhhhhh It's not race, we all are one race HUMAN. My color is black Actually the reason I brought this subject up is because radical judges are makin
30 JpetekYXMD80: Oh quit these ridiculous semantics. You're the one that brought it up in the first place. Why not 'as a human being, I sure do' ? Race as an obsolete
31 ConcordeBoy: That's not completely true. Beautiful! what "one judge" are you referring to? You're not alone, there's plenty of us out there--- more than either si
32 Thetuna: Hell I don't even know what you are talking about. Thats why I have not addressed anything. What do you want me to address? Which subject? What time
33 ConcordeBoy: ...then you might want to clean the crap out of your ears and try again.
34 AirTran737: I don't think we all can fit into one of your categories. I am very conservative on some issues, but liberal on others. For instance, I am pro choice
35 ConcordeBoy: From what? If you'd step back from emotional fervor for a minute, I'd like you to tell me: do you truly believe gay marriage to be a more imposing th
36 Cfalk: Elimination of no-fault divorce. I do not believe that divorce should be granted for anything less than infidelity, abandonment, or abuse. But let's
37 ConcordeBoy: I'm (drolly amused) but curious as to why those who think like you take issue with the name or something but not its content. Why do you? Not caring
38 Cfalk: If your name is Mark, and I call you Dick, it doesn't matter? To be serious, Marriage is probably the oldest institution in civilization. While Briti
39 ConcordeBoy: if nothing you do could/would affect me, then call me Princess Nefertiri for all I care. Next? barely half of you, which isn't saying much for the es
40 Cfalk: I agree. But as I said, MOST of us do take it seriously, even if Elizabeth Taylor doesn't.
41 ConcordeBoy: there seems to be less (if any) evidence of that with each and every day, particularly recently. After years of decline, it took off in '02 and has b
45 DL787932ER: I got no dog in this fight, as I don't see marriage (gay, straight, or three transsexual strippers and their lawn mower) as an issue for government.
46 Dtwclipper: Yes, but that doesn't help anyones argument. From the same article. "experts say relationships are as unstable as ever -- and divorces are down prima
47 StrasserB: Oh, and I thought this is just another Gay / Straight / Bi thread.
48 ConcordeBoy: ...quicksearch random pick: Source here