Saudi king urged U.S. to attack Iran: WikiLeaks

I think these leaks were good overall to bring to light who stands with whom and to what degree. Unfortunately individuals may pay the ultimate price but vastly more people may benefit. Better judgments will be made on future issues based on what is learned from this info.

This is of course more open than the administration would wish, but might ultimately be useful. If nothing else, It to illuminates to detracters the reality of the world. And oh yes, tell Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East to do their own dirty work.

Sickening.
Saudi harboured the 9/11 terrorists.
THIS administration sells then 60 billion
in weapons and the 3000+ dead fellow Americans are forgotten.

Perhaps let Iran take care of the SAUDI
threat.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

It amazes me that all these other countries expect us to fight their battles. Oh yes, then pay for it with our tax money. Does the term “Uncle Sap’ ring a bell?
We live in a world with certified psychotic lunatics and takers beyond comprehension.

These leaks may represent a serious blow to the legitimacy of our government and our ability to deal politically. As individuals in an ideal situation, we would like more transparency in international affairs, however, we do not live in an ideal state, and we can assume that secure back channels are necessary for much of our productive intelligence and diplomatic communications. As interesting as many of these leaks are to the general public, I cannot believe it prudent to betray the trust of individuals who are already risking everything to help ensure national security and international calm.

As commented above, sunlight is a disinfectant — it also can cause melanoma — anyone who thinks that this publication is only positive (all good) or only negative (all bad) is naive — the principle long-term consequence of this will be the tightening of information controls in the higher levels of government(s) — that is, more secrecy, rather than more openness.

What goes around, comes around.

I am beginning to think that the entire Wiki-leaks premise is a fabrication. It seems that this venue can be used for airing ideas that promote the agenda of the various political powers. Now we can justifiably bomb Iran without the bulk of the blame going to Israel. Do you smell a rat?

The U.S. Government belongs to the People of the United States.

It has no business keeping secrets from the People.

The Minutemen of Lexington & Concord, and all the other patriots of the US Revolution fought for decades to free these United States from a King, in England.

Their purpose … their goal … was to free our citizenry from Monarchical oppression … so that we could be free and independent … not so that we could turn around and become servants to another King, this time in Saudi Arabia, two centuries later.

It is time for the 100% conversion of Saudi Arabia to a free democratic republic, with Constitutional Rights for all of its citizens. Unless and until that occurs, the U.S. should no longer defend Saudi Arabia from its enemies, either foreign or domestic.

None of this is any good! Foreign diplomats in embassies around the globe are supposed to be ambassadors of good-will and project the U.S. in a good light especially among our allies. Now, their jobs will be more difficult as they will be suspected of being spies for the U.S. This not only puts our State Department foreign diplomats in jeopardy, but poses great risks to their own families. I suspect that all these sensitive memos and communiques will adversely effect our relations with friends and allies abroad!

Bush’s vision of Freedom in the Middle East as a long term solution to the terror problem is the right long term vision.

But, it should be applied as all US laws are applied, domestically, with “Equal Justice Under Law”.

That means … no exceptions … not even for a generous King who bestows great gifts onto the first families!

Welcome to the world of espionage Mr. Assange. You’ve done nothing revolutionary. The Soviets managed to infiltrate the US government many times. This is classic spy behavior. Mr. Assange merely found weak persons, turned them, and exploited the asset for information. Beware Mr Assange! The US has been immersed in spying for a very long time. When the CIA finally views you as the spy you are, they will toy with you, exploit your organization, and if we are all lucky… your members might become stricken with a mysterious illness. I will personally now only refer to Wikileaks as the “Assange Spy Ring!” For all you people that think the destabilization of world governmental relations is a good thing, remember how life was like during and leading up to WWI, WWII, the Cold War, etc… And, this doesn’t even account for what it took to get beyond there.This is all being done under the guise of “total transparency of governments”(whatever that is), that perspectival wrongdoings should be public knowledge, justice, or whatever other narrow explanation is concocted as Wikileaks propaganda. However, the real goal is obviously being done for more sinister aims. Mr. Assange must think he knows a path to a better world. I’m sorry Mr. Assange, but you vastly underestimate how people, leaders, and territories seek self interests. You are short-sighted, reckless, a spy for a rouge group, and not nearly as smart as you think you are. I would be interested to hear what Mr. Assange’s real ideology is for an acceptable world society and what that might look like. Let’s hear his manifesto and see if it comports with reality.

When will these leaders learn that the solution to these problems is greater FREEDOM, not greater FORCE?

I agree with tangogo68! Yes, this will lead to more secrecy and it plays right into the hands of the “New World Order” gang. In the interim, the safety and security of our foreign diplomats and their families could well be in jeopardy!

The release of these documents will do nothing other than to undermine our standing in the international community. Not only will these documents put the people involved in the discussions at immediate risk but also our ability to uncover terrorist plots in the future. If I had information pertaining to an immediate attack on the United States, I really would not like to come forward knowing that my name will be plastered all over the wikileaks web site. “Sunlight is the best disinfectant.” This attitude will get people killed, not only the informants but also our citizens. This is a really bad for our country and our citizens; the perpetrators that our US citizens should be charged with treason.

Probably a brain child of Obama’s handlers, gone bad. Gone bad in that it exposes the lunacy of this administration.

The number of Gods are equal to the number of people on the planet and so it is with other opinions about whatever you name.
The World War on Error continue….

Here is what we are going to find out, Snakes are Snakes & Skunks are Skunks!
Most Americans aren’t going to care much one way or another, as their focus is on Hip-Hop Music and Dancing with the Stars.
In Reality those who will be harmed by these releases will eventually just find these leakers & their families and make them pay for poking their Noses into places where only certain noses are allowed!
Do I sense a Mass Grave somewhere or just a Mass Disappearance of these leakers?
Who Cares?
Where’s my TV Guide, isn’t there a Football game on?

Can’t help but think that the world would be a better place if:
1. The pope hadn’t sent his troops out to hunt and massacre the infidels.
2. We had given the jews Germany instead of Palistine.
3. We had gone after the Saudis instead of Iraq after 9/11.

Surprise, surprise! Saudi Arabia would like help getting rid of Iran threat!!?
This is some revelation. If this is an example of the incredible new from WikiLeaks then I’ve got one word, or is it a sound–Ho Hum.

Recently I was wondering, who actually stay behind Wikileaks – CIA or MOSSAD. Now no more doubts – everybody knows who actually want Iran bombed :(

I have been expecting an attack on Iran in early 2011. It seems to me that an attack by America would now make it appear that America is doing the Saudi King’s bidding.

I heard that we previously declined to provide Israel with our new version of the bunker buster bomb. We may have to revisit that decision.

If Israel shoulders the responsibility of attacking Iran, most people would believe they were operating in their own interest rather than on behalf of Saudi Arabia.

However, the Sunni Palestinians and Iran’s Shiite friends in Lebanon (Hezbollah) might seize the opportunity for some offensive actions.

Everything just got a bit messier.

Has wikileaks read all of these documents…thought about them? No. Releasing them is reckless.

@breezinthru:

America can’t attack Iran because it’s broke. Israel can’t attack Iran because they just don’t have the means to pull it off.

Maybe they can antagonize the suburbs of Beirut for 30 days, and brutalize the Gaza strip whenever they feel like it, but waging a war against a country 1000 miles away without involving Iraq is impossible. Unless they’re mad enough to run constant suicide runs… and nobody in Israel will accept that for very long.

Otherwise, this isn’t Iraq, nor Afghanistan. It’s a 70 million strong country 5 times the size of France. Only a few countries in the world have the clout to take it over, and last time it was done it was the British Empire and the Soviet Union who did it together.

Nobody wants to get involved in a war with Iran… nobody.

Agreed.

It’s not a war that I was expecting, just a skirmish lasting a few weeks or preferably a few days where nuclear facilities and certain conventional assets would be destroyed.

They might simultaneously angle for a regime change.

What a surprise-the Saudi’s want someone else to do their dirty work-they are without a doubt the most sickening bunch-on the one hand they trash us ‘infidels’ to put it mildly,beleive they are superior to the rest of the arabs which is a joke because the rest of the arabs laugh at what imbeciles and cowards they are,support and allow extremisim both inside and outside Saudi Arabia-they are the ones who funded and continue to fund the madrassa where little boys are turned into religious fanatics-they subjegate women and yet London and Cairo is full of the hypocrites drinking and whoring and yes on top of this we should go and attack Iran for them!
Ive got a novel idea for them-how about sending some of your 2000 strong ‘royal’ family to defend Saudi Arabia and get rid of Iran-make THEM earn the billions they extort yearly from the countrys oil revenues,foreign contracts and anything else they can get their greedy hands into…

@taochanger22 you’ve hit the nail on the head.
Just as the last set of “leaks” set the supposed official US count of Iraqi civilian casualties at a fraction of real number, the content of these latest “leaks” are so far mostly benign, with a strong undercurrent of supporting the invasion of Iran and North Korea which we all know the MIC is pushing extremely hard for.
My guess would be that the CIA or similar has “gotten” to Mr Assange, and Wikileaks will just be a convenient tool to drip feed thinly veiled propaganda to us from now on.
We’ll see I guess.

Let’s bomb Saudi Arabia instead. They need a regime change. That fat bloated monarch is ready for his Kentucky Fried grave.

Maybe someone will actually read the documents and we will learn that US diplomats form opinions of foreign leaders and countries spy on each other. This sounds like a whole bunch of nothing.

It wouldn’t shock me if the Wiki leaks weren’t planned to use as an excuse to grab more control over the internet.

We can see now that Obama and Clinton have a highschool mentality. No respect for heads of states or respectful diplomats whatsoever. Imagine comparing Putin and Medvedev to Batman and Robin. And making King Abdullah looking like a beggar for trouble? And suggesting that Khadaffi travels the world with hotlips beside him!

The United States doesn’t act at the command of any nation, and other nations know that which is why the Saudi govnernment felt free to urge action against Iran. that comes as no suprise to anyone.

What is a surprise is that a lot of what is claimed as disruptive seems to amount to high level gossip and shooting the breeze. It reminds me of the days when Western Diplomats estimated a developing nation’s national output of food by gooding to a few local markets and basing estimates on available of grain products like bread in those markets within a natioin.

My only real concern is with revelations of sources that the article implies Wiki Leaks included.

I’m dismayed be all these claims that some how the disclosure of delicate diplomatic conversations will some how upset foreign policy objectives. Transparency is quintessential to a functional democracy.

Diplomatic cover is a privilege granted to men of honor. But obviously this cover has been abused beyond decency, and it is clear that American efforts at achieving good through the channels of diplomacy have yielded no result. Backward and primitive cultures have had their day abusing diplomatic cover provided to them by the civilized world. So Wikileaks is indeed doing the US a favor, tearing off the emperor’s new clothes and showing the world how the third world is not yet ready to assume responsibility. Thanks a million wikileaks. Hope you get credit for your good deed.

Wikileaks seem to have dropped a truth bomb… but, in reality, it could be creative smoke… who the hell knows? Could it be that even this conspiracy hunter is the conspiracy itself? There is so much mis-information flying around, its hard to believe any of it.
What I see are a bunch of maniacs with ignorant amounts of wealth, and some really big weapons, all vying for a chance to blow us all to hell.

… Pass the chips… Dancing With The Stars is on…

More skeletons are in store . Now it is washing dirty linen in public. Saudi’s behest, U.S’s attack and China’s cyber attack , all go in to gather sadism and cruelty.

Those people in the government today… remember when they used to celebrate any effort that forced government transparency, back when they were younger and believed in something? Amazing how quickly people can forget where they came from, once they get a little bit of power.

Obama accomplished a campaign promise! Yes, sunlight is the best disinfectant “and” it promotes actual democracy. I’m glad this happened and it looks like others are happy too. Accountability breeds excellence in the civilian workforce. Our government needs more accountability and to be more candid with its citizens. Talking about it is cheap. Only action matters.

Sure, American lives and the lives of others may be put at risk, but those persons lives were at risk before this leak. Espionage is a career choice for many Americans. They know the risks, just as well as the foreigners that deal with them. Face facts. That’s life. You want a safe career? Sell Avon.

To be able to ask a friend to kill my neighbor, whom I do not like, the friend has to be very, very good one. Are we so good friends with Saudi? What is criteria to be very good friend of somebody? I know, being up to our democracy standards.

I am not sure what is more disconcerting. The actual leaking of such senstive information or the level of ignorance in the shared observations.

Back when the 2nd Bush was president he spoke of fighting wars using “disinformation”. The US government has been one of the most secretive organizations in the world. If you think these “Wikileaks” were not planned…. disinformation is working as planned.

The thing I’m the most alarmed about is that WikiLeaks didn’t black-bar the names of the sources. Isn’t that one of the protections that whistle blowers are supposed to have? Anonymity? None of those sources will ever talk again & many of them (in the most volatile countries) may start to die. Did WikiLeaks think about that consequence before they released these documents? Does WikiLeaks usually protect their sources? Are they going to put the name of the source of all these documents out there? Hmm.

For what it’s worth….

After going through the article and the comments of my commenter friends I found known facts appeared with documentary evidence as is also known that secret of all miracles killings that happen in the world are being created by the trio US, ISRAEL and SUDI ARAB. We forget that nothing is a secret in this world. All secrets are matters of time factor as after a limited time all get automatically known to public.
We Americans are anxiously waiting to know the secret cause of our deep friendship with the terrorist country which kills Americans as if it had been issued with the license to kill them and our Government keeps silent.

As today, we know why Israel is killing Palestinians and the role of Saudi Arab and Egypt. Therefore, one of these days will know why all super powers including UN are scared to death of Israel. One factor is over 300 nuclear bombs in its possession. But other factors are unknown
World game of death Muslim vs. Muslims is an interesting game wherein the causalities are world economy, finance, commerce and national security that has hit all countries of the world.
The only beneficiary is Israel. getting milk, honey and cash that too tax free grants and most sophisticated human killing machines free of cost, with which it is target practicing on Palestinians and killing them like birds.
Israel should carry on doing it as one day in future when the same is repeated on it, will not have any repentance.
Saudi Arab will also not be spared for the wrong collaboration. Wikileaks did one job is that it has put all countries on logger head to go ahead with free style fight.

Are there entities within our government that are allowing WikiLeaks to continue? What bothers me is what is missing from the whole WikiLeaks situation. Why isn’t anyone being held responsible for the leaks? Are only certain secrets being allowed out in order to help someone’s agenda within our government? WikiLeaks said that it’s website is being attacked. It this possibly only a “token attack”, to make it appear that our government does not like what is happening? I do not know if any of this is true, but I am believer in the concept of “passive conspiracies”, where things are sometimes just allowed to happen or continue on even though a lot of people know it is wrong.

Can’t believe these leaks are out.Distraction causes distraction.The leaks do raise questions..There is a strange smell in the air….

Five New WikiLeaks Revelations:

1. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is severely allergic to cigar smoke.

2. Black Friday is part of a CIA plot to undermine Santa.

3. Russian spies can see Sarah Palin’s house from their surveillance outposts, and were wondering if she could please leave the drapes open.

4. The term “global warming” was coined by one of Al Gore’s “massage therapists.”

5. The American Tea Party is actually a sales promotion campaign by Old Navy that got out of hand.

It seems to me that there should be a natural alliance between the Arabs and the Israelies. And the US can just sell everybody arms.

1 Fact released recently: Religion is the cause of all wars.

here is the deal. if diplomats are afriad to speak frankly then that will damage our F.P. Just because a leader thinks another is a scumbag doesn’t mean that both nations don’t have mutual interests

@Billfaceeee
really? How about the 2 world wars, the spanish american war, korea, vietnam, the american civil war, the american revolution, the french revolution ect…the list could go on and on.
I know is sounds nice to say and it’s easy to do. But saying “Religion is the cause of all wars” as you did is simply not correct.

The King of Saudi Arabia should send in his own planes to bomb Iran. Isn’t that why We sold them planes in the first place? Did they ask Us permission to bomb Iran or did they really think We would do that for them?

Our government shouldn’t keep any secret. We will become the servants of the government. Remember this, fellow Americans: YOU CAN FIGHT TERRORISTS, RAPISTS, MURDERERS, ETC. HOWEVER, YOU CANNOT FIGHT THE GOVERNMENT. In another word, I rather live amongst the lowest of low criminals than to live with a tyrannical government. Keep up the good work, Wikileak. The guy deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. Obama, hand over the prize. The end.

theinsaneo: Actually, he’s absolutely correct. Religion is your set of beliefs, not your belief in a god necessarily. In a way, everyone has a religion, even if they don’t follow a god. Religion is your way of perceiving the world which guides your decisions in life, which is what causes one man to kill another. For instance, Taoism is a religion, but there is no god, and “Tao” just means the way (of life).

It’s all Obama’s fault

SO WHAT who cares china has been a thorn in our back side for a long time and the people of america are to blam.Everyone was out to make a big buck and let china take control of all the jobs and now who’s to take them back.Hang it up Iran is going to do what they want and China is to.Theirs no hope but to give in do what they want MONEY talks and goverment and rich people controls the media.

What’s Obama’s fault, the leak? What about the stuff back in 2007, when it was W in office?

I think Iran might be right, this was no leak but to try to damage Iran relations with its neighbors.

Why should we believe all these leaks as true facts?

taochanger22 wrote:
I am beginning to think that the entire Wiki-leaks premise is a fabrication. It seems that this venue can be used for airing ideas that promote the agenda of the various political powers. Now we can justifiably bomb Iran without the bulk of the blame going to Israel. Do you smell a rat?

Tao, your conspiracy theory makes no sense. If indeed this was all a fabrication, why wouldn’t the governments all be screaming bloody murder. Clearly the words must ring too true to deny. For the record, I do not support assange and feel he should be prosecuted to the full extent that he can be as a foreign national as this type of information is not that interesting or surprising and will frankly have more of a chilling effect than one that fosters openness.

Skylor, no government has yet to come forward to deny this. Does this surprise you given your theory?

Those who tow the Bush legacy are blamed why not the main culprit and the
Worst criminal for its deed that culminated to all these horrendous activities made open by Wikileaks. Is it because of the God gifted skin color?

It is not a fight of any nation it is the fight started by the pronouncement of crusade by Bush and his accomplices engulfing all religions on the advise of the only self proclaimed terrorist nation of the world.

Fact must be faced and said boldly. It is our fault that we allowed these criminals like Bush to do what he did..

G W Bush destroyed our country on the advice of so call best ally and friend. In addition the world leaders got together to doom the entire world.

Blast open North Korea, Israel, India, Pakistan, and Iran to bring back peace to the world.

@ r1ghtm1nd
though I understand your point I have to disagree with you. According to that logic then you have a job because of your religion or you drive a car because of religion. That’s no different than blaming the Boogeyman for your troubles.

@ MESTRAW
no offense intended but that is ridiculous. So governments should just tell the world everything that they are going to do? Companies should just let everyone have access to thier trade secrets? That doesn’t make sense at all. It sounds a little on the “hippy-dippy” mentality. Do you live your life that way? I doubt that you do. Now I am not saying that you are not an honest and open person. What I am saying is that everyone has things that they keep to themselves.

why doesn’t king abdullah do it himself?

I think that most people are misunderstanding the point of the article. King Abdullah didn’t insist or demand anything. He made a suggestion based his understanding of the regional balance of power. It is no different than two football players discussing strategy. My point is that people seem to be blowing this way out of proportion.

@theinsane,
people are not blowing it out of proportion. Its a huge deal and supports Israel and the US’s desire to prevent Iran from becoming an even bigger menace.

Radicals claim the US is waging war on Islam. Yet Saudi Arabia is Muslim and supports bombing Iran. So, the question then is, how many other Muslim nations would prefer Iran be restrained?

I think its a huge deal and speaks to the seriousness of the Iran threat.

@theinsaneo,
Comparing countries to football might be a little of a stretch too. Lives and nations are at stake, not the Sugar Bowl. Any conversation about possible war is very very serious.

While it is somewhat interesting to hear diplomats using frank language like the rest of us would, these leaks are otherwise pretty uninteresting to me. I frankly haven’t heard anything in them that I didn’t already know from reading between the lines, or already heard discussed piecemeal over the many months. The fact that the Saudis are nervous over Iran shouldn’t surprise anyone. The whole region has been on a weapons spending spree lately, with Saudis and UAE leading the pack. Surprised we have a post N. Korea strategy? No kidding – we’d be incompetent not to. Surprised that Medvedev is in the shadow of Putin? That was discussed at length when he took power. The part that hurts US diplomacy is that this got out at all. That’s the news story here.

Putting lives at risk?
Well I do have memory, and I remember when the ‘The Iraq War Logs’ were disclosed by Wikileaks the enemies of free speech used these exactly same words: “Put lives at risk.”
Always with the intention of causing fear among the average citizen.
What they dont tell you is that, later the Pentagon released a statement saying that no lives were put at risk because of the documents released by Wikileaks…

The only ones interested in SECRECY are the ones acting in an IMPROPER MANNER.

@BHOLied: Right… Saudi Arabia has legitimate security concerns that should be adressed by the ‘world’ community??? Iran is a bigger risk to world security than Saudi Arabia??? Saudi Arabia’s concerns of Iran justify a bombing campaign from the US and Israel???

What planet do you live on brother? It’s definitely not the same as mine…

@ BHOLied

First the story itself is a non story. People are up in arms on here that the Saudi’s talked to us about Iran. To read some of the comments on here you would think that the US takes it’s orders from King Abdullah. As far as the other Muslim nations and thier veiws on Iran….they all see Iran as a threat. And yes I know it’s a very serious situation….I would be one of the people going over there.
But the football comaprison is valid. Why? Because one must come up with an analogy that people may understand. Why? Because, again, to read some of the comments on here you would think that the Saudi’s dictate our F.P. So I came up with an example for people to realize “oh the King wasn’t telling us what to do, he was discussing his view and more to the point what he views as important to the balance of power. Because that is what all nations do (or should do). They look at the world and see what is in thier States best interests based on the cold analysis of power.
Your comments make it seem that I am some how just making flippent comments without thought. I would suggest that perhaps you should read a comment. Think about it and then make a reply instead of reading something and jumping to a conclusion.

And again the Saudi’s (and the rest of the region) view Iran as a threat, as they should. THAT is a big deal. The fact that they gave us thier opinion is NOT a big deal.

@ Life1

Saudi Arabia simply gave us thier opinion. Keyword Opinion. The United States does NOT take it’s marching orders from the Saudi’s or any other nation for that matter. Which is exactly what you seem to be implying in your post.

If a friend (I know Nations don’t have friends they have interests but for this example we will say freind) gives you thier opinion on something. Are they giving you a command? If they say “Hey you know you this is the color you should paint the living room” Are you obligated to do what they say? No ofcourse not. A normal person would say “oh well thank you for your advice, I think about it.” But at the end of the day YOU make the decision. You may or may not take thier advice, but it is just that advice.

@ Gusbrum
“The only ones interested in SECRECY are the ones acting in an IMPROPER MANNER”

No it’s people who have thier lives on the line out in the field. Again I will use the football analogy. Should the coaches go on TV and tell everyone “hey we will use this formation and this play. Then we will do this, ect…” No ofcourse not. Why? Strategy.

Come on who’s gonna be the first to freak out over this comment?

@life(1)none,
I’ll try to reply but it’s going to be hard because you didn’t really say anything. Great argument, ask questions and say nothing but here goes…

Um, yes Saudi has legitimate concerns that should be addressed by the world community. Yes, Iran is a bigger threat than Saudi Arabia, many people here (in the US and even on reuters) agree.

Iran wants a nuke, and they have repeatedly said they want to destroy an entire race, end of debate.

And I never said that anything anyone says justifies a bombing campaign on Iran. However, I did actually say that it speaks to the seriousness of the situation when neighbors like Saudi want us to bomb a regional member. Its serious because the violence spills over into other places as it has with the wars in Iraq and Afghan. So yes, it is serious that they want us to bomb them because they are neighbors and they are muslim.

If you care to add anything to the conversation, I’ll be happy to respond to an actual comment…

@theinsane,
I hear what you are saying and didn’t mean to offend. I did read you comment which was:

[He made a suggestion based his understanding of the regional balance of power. It is no different than two football players discussing strategy]

I just think its more serious than a football analogy. Its about going to WAR which is, to keep it with your football analogy, more like deciding to fire a head coach or not. Not run or pass which would be a ’strategy’. We are waisting our time with this really. I didn’t mean to offend and I did think about what you said. Even more now, and I still disagree, not a bid deal. This is what the comments sections are for. If you disagree then we can agree to disagree.

I do however think its a big deal when a regional power wants us to bomb someone. And like life1 freakd out about, no, no one thinks Saudi controls us or tells is what to do.

All I am saying is that it surpises me to hear a Muslim nation asking us to bomb another muslim nation. What I hear from the majority of the media is that we are in this alone with Israel. To hear otherwise is surprising. Thats all I am saying.

No that’s cool. I am sorry for kind of going off on it lol. So it sounds like we agree on the broad strokes