DREAM again slow to pay fighters, rep says money on the way

Following a recent five-month delay in payment to lightweight contender Nick Diaz, the Japanese-based DREAM promotion has again run behind on compensating its fighters.

The participants in question this time are heavyweight Jimmy Ambriz (13-11-1) and lightweight Todd Moore (9-3). Both U.S.-based fighters participated in September's DREAM.6 event.

"As far as I'm concerned, they pretty much have stiffed us," Moore told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "The fight was Sept. 23, and we're going on into [late November] and they still haven't paid. That's two months. That sucks, man."

MMAjunkie.com was able to speak to Moore despite, what he said, have been his recent attempts at dodging phone calls from bill collectors awaiting the money the Texan earned in a first-round submission loss to Shinya Aoki. The three-year professional said he has never before found himself in this predicament.

"The closest thing was I had one bounced check from one promoter, but he eventually paid within the same month," Moore said. "And he informed me, 'Hey, I had a couple of bounced checks, just to give you a heads-up.' Then he was able to pay me back pretty quickly. (It was) by far quicker than DREAM has been."

Mike Kogan, the U.S. representative for DREAM's parent company Fight Entertainment Group, said the missing money was simply an oversight by the company's accounting department.

"They're not getting stiffed," Kogan said of Moore and Ambriz. "Let me put it this way: They'll get their money. There's been reports in the past that we were a little slow in paying, and to a lot of the American fighters, it might seem a little weird. Because with the commission here against how the promoters pay in the U.S. -- right after the event they get their checks -- we don't do that. But that's disclosed in the contracts."

Moore and Ambriz's agent, Ken Pavia of MMAagents.com, said he was aware of the delayed payment requirements of the Japanese-based promotion. But Pavia points out that the contract stipulated the money would be paid before the end of October, and that DREAM officials have proved difficult to deal with during the process.

"[DREAM] can't [pay at the event] anymore because of some sort of Japanese tax audit, which requires, for paper trails, them to wire the money," Pavia said. "They told us that we would have it soon thereafter. And it's been what, two months now?

"They told us it was wired twice, and it wasn't. We never received it. Once [DREAM officials said] it got kicked back, and the second time they re-wired it, and they don't know what the problem is. But it hasn't made it to us. And that was two weeks ago."

Kogan insisted the fighters would be quickly compensated once the accounting errors were corrected.

"As far as I know the contract stipulates that all fighters will get paid within the month following the month in which they fought," Kogan said. "So if they fought in September, then they would have been paid in October. If they still haven't been paid then, there's probably either some kind of accounting error or backlog or something else unrelated to any kind of a problem -- more of an administrative issue.

"I know for a fact that our accounting department issues payments -- not just for fighters, but in general -- every 15 days. So if they were backlogged in October, they might have put it onto the November roster."

Diaz's most recent appearance for DREAM was a May win at DREAM.5 over Katsuya Inoue. It took until October for Diaz to receive his purse for the bout.

Kogan explained that while that situation may seem controversial at first glance, it was again a simple mistake that was quickly addressed.

"Believe it or not -- some of this stuff sounds kind of ridiculous, but this has happened in the past," Kogan said. "In Nick Diaz's case, I don't know who, but obviously there's a lot of people that work for FEG in our accounting department. And half of them don't even know what Nick Diaz looks like. They're just paper-pushers. Well somebody apparently filed his (account) as paid. So as far as our accounting was concerned, he was paid.

"I don't know why they filed it that way. So after months and months of me bitching and bitching and bitching, they kept looking and kept looking and kept looking. Finally somebody said, 'Well wait a minute. We thought that blah, blah, blah.' And he was paid immediately. Actually he received his money right in time since he's out of a job right now."

Kogan insisted both Ambriz, who took a bout with Sergei Kharitonov at the last possible moment on the September card, and Moore would be compensated fairly and accurately -- and that the entire situation was a non-story.

"I fear for MMA if it's newsworthy that Ambriz hasn't gotten paid yet," Kogan said. "If that's what's on the mind of MMA fans, then fire away and report it.

"I think they're probably more interested in what 80 fighters being held hostage by a ProElite/CBS war, who are unemployed and unable to look for a job, they want to know. Ambriz will get his money, trust me, within the next week at the latest."

Ambriz hopes Kogan's assurances are realized, but feels the situation demands a touch more concern.

"I just really want to be paid, basically," Ambriz said. "I put the work in and it's the compensation time. I don't want this to get stretched out into a legal situation. But if that's what we have to do, that's what I'll do.

"You put your work in and contracts are signed. Live up to your end of the contract."

(Pictured: Jimmy Ambriz)

John Morgan is the lead staff reporter for MMAjunkie.com.

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GraveConcern on Nov 21, 2008 at 6:48 am ET
Two Months IS a little excessive to not pay an employee for whatever reason.
 

Trick on Nov 21, 2008 at 12:00 pm ET
Man, Dream is going BELLY UP!  Damn!
Guess UFC is the way to go with FIGHTERS!.  U listening FITCH!?  LOL...
 

BravexHeart on Nov 21, 2008 at 6:49 am ET
Wow.. pay ur fighters!
 

coreymb on Nov 21, 2008 at 7:01 am ET
I'm surprised to hear this still happens, all too often in fact.
I remember Barnett was doing an interview and he stated while he only fought once for Affliction they were the only company to pay him as quick as they did.

Barnett said he had to wait a decent amount of time to get paid from Sengoku too. I clearly remember Barnett saying back in 2000 he waited a very long time to get paid from UFC.(Of course that was just before Zuffa took over) On top of that he says PRIDE still owes him money.

These companies need to treat their fighters better in general. I don't care what the problem is they fought for you, you both aggreed to a fighter salary now pay them.
 

unregistered on Nov 21, 2008 at 7:14 am ET
The only thing that kills me more than Dream stiffing this guy is that they won't own up to it. Just freaking own up to it. We don't need to hear your sob story or some fair tale about how you didn't know he wasn't paid. Just pay him and get it over with! It takes three seconds to goto your account office and have them write a check.

This must be a normal thing with these Japanese organizations because this is like the fifth time I've heard a fighter complain about not getting paid by one of them.

They sound real professional.
 

Maulwalker on Nov 21, 2008 at 7:30 am ET
"I don't know why they filed it that way. So after months and months of me bitching and bitching and bitching, they kept looking and kept looking and kept looking. Finally somebody said, 'Well wait a minute. We thought that blah, blah, blah.' And he was paid immediately. Actually he received his money right in time since he's out of a job right now."

What an incredibly ballsy attempt at spin that is.  So, you stiffed your guys for "months and months" while your inept accounting team either filed these guys as paid in full or intentionally strung them along due to a Japanese tax audit or because the wires were getting rejected, and then once you finally decide to get around to paying Nick Diaz you want to come across as some sort of hero due to the fact that he's in complete desparation mode with the EXC fiasco. 

Dream, if you need the money that badly, take one of your gigantic glowing light cubes to the pawn shop, and pay these guys. 
 

Shotokan_BJJ on Nov 21, 2008 at 7:59 am ET
I agree, that's f**ked up, those guys need to sort themselves up, we need for Dream to be a real company and a real threat to the UFC monopoly, they won't be that if they keep treating fighters like that.

Those guys have those purse moneys already commited, mainly to pay the training camps they had to prepare for their bouts, two months to pay an employee and them five months to pay another one that just so happens to be a bigger figure, accounting mistake my ass, and I agree, to say it's nice he received now since he is unemployed, like he's doing some kind of favor.
 

Iainkelt on Nov 21, 2008 at 3:34 pm ET
Yeah no kidding. Their rep is a 100% certified D-bag. Let me guess, he is getting his money on time but if it started showing up maybe two months later he would be just fine with that right? Because it is totally understandable that a company of their size is incapable of processing checks in a timely manner and misfiles peoples checks yeah? To imply that he did Diaz a favor by not paying him on time is incredibly insulting and arrogant.

Of course he also went on to claim that this issue is not newsworthy and that anybody who does show any interest in the story doesn't know what they are talking about or doesn't have their priorities right. Here is an idea about how to make this story go away, PAY YOUR FIGHTERS!



Stay classy, Dream!
 

pigdogg on Nov 21, 2008 at 8:05 am ET
They just lost a ton of credibility. It’s gonna be hard to get fighters when word is you don’t pay your bills.
 

Maulwalker on Nov 21, 2008 at 9:01 am ET
No doubt it's going to hurt them when it comes to attracting fighters, at least those outside of Japan.  Doesn't seem like they're having any problems paying the Japanese fighters.  You can't use that convenient "rejected wire" excuse when the figher you owe money to might show up at your front door and pound the money out of you.

 

coreymb on Nov 21, 2008 at 9:18 am ET
Actually It has been reported the first time that Japanese and American Dream fighters were not getting paid. Just to clerify that.
 

NickHavok on Nov 21, 2008 at 8:10 am ET
Let me be heard loud and clear...DREAM, THIS SUCKS!

There is no excuse not to pay the fighters. None whatsoever.

Going on 2 months now? That is ridiculous!

WTF are they doing over there in Japan? What, you can't figure out how to transfer some money to somebody in America all of a sudden?

They need to pull their heads out of their asses.
 

mmaatc on Nov 21, 2008 at 8:25 am ET
Agreed.

DREAM SUCKS  j/k    



I pity the fighter's.  They move to an organization that either doesn't pay on time, cancels entire events, or worst- falls under.  Fighters either don't want to join the UFC (exclusive rights) or can't (prior relationships/record) but are getting boned by the other orgs.

"They need to pull their heads out of their asses. " Havok

The best advice for these promotions!
 

Tubekid on Nov 21, 2008 at 10:28 am ET
Japan's in a recession and their economy is in the toliet too.  This sucks... Not paying for 2 months?  People can hate on the UFC all they want but they definitely give the fighters financial security.  Ya gotta weigh your options..sign some deals maybe you don't want to but at the end of the day you get paid well and on time. That is huge

Dream is in trouble..  I worked for a company that started pushing out commissons to 90 days and eventually the company fell apart.  Not paying low level fighters like Ambriz and Moore is scary if they don't have the funds for that then that is no good.

Another ones biting the dust..
 

Gunslinger20 on Nov 21, 2008 at 8:20 am ET
I bet that ring announcer with the crazy voice got her money!!!

After watching this past DREAM show, the production costs for those shows has to be through the roof with all the clicks and whistles they have.

Either way, you can paint over rust... but in the end, its still rust.  DREAM is nothing without their fighters and there is no way they can put on a show without them. (All UFC comparisons are thrown out the window at this point, especially after the events of the last few days)

Pay the fighters first, then pay Fedor to sit in the crowd and the lady who sounds scarier than Pinhead from Hellraiser.
 

Maulwalker on Nov 21, 2008 at 9:04 am ET
Don't forget to pay your florist bill, too, Dream.  I would hate for some poor shlub to have to go repossess the flowers from Overheim and Cro Cop that Fedor gave them.
 

CopperHeart on Nov 21, 2008 at 9:21 am ET
hmmmm    Those nipples look a little sagging...
 

Gunslinger20 on Nov 21, 2008 at 9:41 am ET
Ahhh... the sign you are losing your looks... your nipples constantly look depressed and they are as big as dinner plates, anyone in the mood for some KFC? 
 

coreymb on Nov 22, 2008 at 11:40 am ET
haha. I'm wait late on  this but that was seriously funny and gross!
 

Simonalbin on Nov 21, 2008 at 9:42 am ET
Hi,

It´s not good to pay late but honestly it´s no big deal!
I work with japanese and chinese companies and they are ALWAYS a month or two late even when invoice´s stipulate that are going to pay within three month´s or one month.
But... I have only seen invoices not been paid at all be americans actualy!

Better be late than not to pay at all. Should be handled with more care and not be pushed "maybe" to another month like he says in the article. That part is just plain stupid. If this is a problem one employee should be taking care of this specificaly as one of his/hers duties.
You got to have a saftey net. Come on! Is this a kindergarden company or what?

 

mmaatc on Nov 21, 2008 at 9:49 am ET
Dude looks like he was having a hard time when the photographer told him to "look at the camera"!

 

Gunslinger20 on Nov 21, 2008 at 9:50 am ET
I wonder if my local Japanese Sushi Restaraunt will allow me to pay them for my food 2 months after I ate it?  Something tells me no... but I'm gonna give it a whirl and say there is some crazy American Tax Audit that prevents me from paying them right then and there after they have provided me my food.
 

ThomasJ on Nov 21, 2008 at 10:04 am ET
Man, Ambritz took a whipping in that fight too! Just pay the guy his money. Thats' the least you can do for a fighter who flew all the way to Japan and took the fight with about a week and a half notice.
 

Morpheus on Nov 21, 2008 at 10:22 am ET
Two months is a long time not to get paid and I wonder if its cos Dream is going bankrupt - i heard rumours that its in debt and its events arent profitable -

I wonder are ufc and strikeforce the only mma companies making a profit? I want these other non-ufc companies to stay afloat so the fighters have a choice where to work and i think ultimately competition between different companies vying for the fans ppv bucks will lead to better ppvs and better fights!

U do wonder if this is another mma company goin down the tubes tho...!
 

Trick on Nov 21, 2008 at 12:02 pm ET
This just to show UFC is an all around MMA ORG? 

FIGHTERS SUBMIT to your BOSS or be out the door real quick!
 

-Hammer- on Nov 21, 2008 at 2:00 pm ET
It really doesn't surprise me, this one. I mean, Dream always struck me as nothing more then Pride Light. Hopefully the UFC can make some inroads into Japan, and start getting some of the prime lightweight fighters.
 

ev on Nov 21, 2008 at 3:06 pm ET
Kind of off topic, but I would love to see Eddie Alvarez in the UFC.  He is the one lightweight who I want in the UFC the most.  I think he could beat the majority of the UFC lightweights right now.
 

NickHavok on Nov 21, 2008 at 3:12 pm ET
I agree.

Eddie could come in and destroy some guys in the UFC.

It would be fun to see.
 

wildweasel1962 on Nov 21, 2008 at 3:13 pm ET
Morph.......The Extreme Fighting promotion in Florida does very,very well. Those guys pull in crowds .....10,000 at some shows.
 

armbar on Nov 21, 2008 at 3:23 pm ET
quit crying.....in japan fighting spirit is a measure of pay and since both these guys got slaughtered in their debuts they're getting a slow wiring. I bet Eddie Alvarez gets paid on time. Next time you fight, fight harder you'll get paid quicker
 

ThonolansGhost on Nov 21, 2008 at 3:36 pm ET
This is just more  evidence that Dream is in financial trouble (it's been rumored for quite a while).
 

powers on Nov 21, 2008 at 7:25 pm ET
asian economics.
 

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