Neo-nazism is Europe's hidden terrorist menace

The anniversary of 7/7 refocused attention on Islamist terrorism, yet the threat from neo-Nazis goes largely unreported

On the fifth anniversary of the 7 July terror attacks in London, the issue of Islamist terrorism and Islamic extremism is back in the media spotlight. While the threat posed by a small number of violent Islamist extremists is very real and the danger of Islamic fundamentalism should not be downplayed or understated, the seriousness of the situation is often exaggerated into a menace of Hitlerian proportions.

In contrast, Hitler's ideological descendants, who have become increasingly emboldened in recent years, constitute a growing, if still minor, threat that largely goes unnoticed and under-reported.

An example of this menace is the Belgian neo-Nazi group Bloed, Bodem, Eer en Trouw (Blood, Soil, Honour and Loyalty), whose trial is to start soon. The group, whose members were arrested in 2006, stands accused of planning terror attacks targeting the National Bank and other institutions, plotting the assassination of a number of prominent politicians and conspiring to destabilise the Belgian state. BBET had even apparently managed to infiltrate the Belgian military and had amassed a large cache of guns and explosives.

More worryingly, perhaps, at least in terms of social cohesion, the neo-Nazi group had intended to sow the seeds of discord by carrying out a "false flag" operation to murder the popular Flemish far-right politician Filip Dewinter in the hope that the blame would be pinned on Islamists, stoking further hatred of the country's embattled and marginalised Muslim minority. During the expected outrage that would ensue, they would then seize the opportunity to assassinate the radical Lebanese-Belgian politician and activist Dyab Abou Jahjah.

Had members of an Islamist cell been planning similar outrages, news of their forthcoming trial would have grabbed headlines across Europe and enough columns to support the Karnak temple complex would have been written on the subject. As it stands, the group has elicited little to no attention outside Belgium.

Not that I feel we should deal with neo-Nazi extremism and its violent manifestations with the same level of sensationalism and mass hysteria we reserve for extremist Islam – we need to be vigilant, not vigilante about it. More attention needs to be paid to the fact that it is a growing menace. We need to build greater awareness and better understanding of the socioeconomic and cultural factors feeding this phenomenon, especially since mainstream society is, in certain ways, complicit in the emergence of this troubling current.

Some, dare I say many, will consider my last assertion as an overreaction and will dismiss BBET and other violent far-right groups as little more than the outer reaches of the "lunatic fringe". And at some level, this is true and can equally be applied to violent Islamist groups. But just because they're mad and bad, that does not exclude the possibility that they are the symptoms of a deeper malaise – there is some warped logic to their madness.

Just like their Islamist counterparts, many people who are drawn to neo-Nazi and other far-right ideologies feel disempowered and marginalised, and believe that the way to overcome this is to turn back the clock to an idyllic "pure" past – based on religion, in the case of Islamists, and based on race and, to a lesser extent, religion for neo-Nazis.

And, as unemployment figures rise and government spending falls, this sense of exclusion and frustration will grow.

And minorities will continue to fill the role of convenient scapegoat, as has long been the case with far-right parties, many of which have gained a sheen of respectability in recent years. In fact, time and again, violent neo-Nazi groups and individuals have been linked to these parties. For example, there are reports that the BBET had ties to the Flemish nationalist Vlaams Belang party, as had a teenager who went on a racially motivated murder spree in Antwerp.

However, this does not exonerate the rest of society. The increasingly mainstream vilification and demonisation of Europe's Muslim minority and Islam in general – based on fear, insecurity, ignorance and political expediency, as well as the worry that extremist groups will succeed in their bid to "Islamise" Europe – since the 11 September terror attacks in the US has created fertile ground for the far-right to lay down deeper roots. Some governments have been complicit in this for foreign policy purposes, while some politicians, such as Geert Wilders in the Netherlands, have skillfully manipulated the situation to enter the corridors of power.

In a bid to downplay the threat, some will play a macabre numbers game and claim that Islamic terrorism in Europe claims far more lives than far-right violence. Although it is true that there have been no spectacular, large-scale attacks, neo-Nazis are responsible for a regular and growing stream of violence against Muslims, Jews, blacks and other minorities across Europe.

Of course, neo-Nazis have yet to pull off any attack as spectacular as those in Madrid or London. But that doesn't mean they don't want to or don't plan to, as the case of the BBET amply demonstrates. In May 2010, a British neo-Nazi father and son – who, in an worrying echo of a bygone era, had set up a group to overthrow the government because they believed it had been taken over by Jews – planned to poison Jewish, Muslim and black people with ricin.

In addition, neo-nazism seems to be going increasingly global, with groups in different European countries and the US building increasingly strong alliances. Examples of this include Combat 18 and Blood and Honour (of which BBET is a splinter group).

The most troubling threat posed by neo-nazism, and the far right in general, as opposed to Islamism, is that it is an indigenous ideology which once held powerful sway in Europe, even in countries that were not run by Nazi regimes. If we are not careful and do not learn the lessons of history, there is the future possibility that Nazi and fascist totalitarianism may rear its ugly face again.


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  • MarkClark MarkClark

    11 Jul 2010, 12:10PM

    The last paragraph would benefit from some editing.

    it is an indigenous ideology which once held powerful sway in Europe, even in countries that were not run by Nazi regimes.

    Sorry, author, in English you don`t hold `powerful sway`, you either hold sway or you don`t. It doesn`t mean `have a lot of followers`. It means `hold power`.

    Also you confuse `neo-Nazism` (which you are talking about) and Nazism (which `once held...sway`).

    These of course, are the types of errors your editors should be correcting for you before it hits the paper. Not your fault so much as theirs.

  • maxsceptic1 maxsceptic1

    11 Jul 2010, 12:15PM

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  • duckoftheday duckoftheday

    11 Jul 2010, 12:17PM

    On the fifth anniversary of the 7 July terror attacks in London, the issue of Islamist terrorism and Islamic extremism is back in the media spotlight

    Not here it's not.

    Hitler's ideological descendants, who have become increasingly emboldened in recent years, constitute a growing, if still minor, threat that largely goes unnoticed and under-reported.

    Not here it doesn't. Every second poster gets accused of being one of "Hitlers ideological descendants"

    The most troubling threat posed by neo-nazism, and the far right in general, as opposed to Islamism,

    How are the beliefs of an Islamist anything other than 'far right'? Why do they get their own category?

  • WeAreTheWorld WeAreTheWorld

    11 Jul 2010, 12:19PM

    I'm more worried about the fascist vibe given off by United Against Fascism than any neo-nazi activity in Europe. Maybe it's under reported.

    But let's face it. Islamists are more mainstream and coddled than the neo-nazis, and the Islamists have greater financial resources and networking.

  • DomC DomC

    11 Jul 2010, 12:19PM

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  • Tbaac Tbaac

    11 Jul 2010, 12:24PM

    MaxSceptic: You are comparing 2 different things.

    The BNP for example are in favour afaik of re-nationalising the railways, as am I. Hitler liked small family cars. It doesn't mean that I would vote for either of them.

    What I am saying is that just because some Muslims may like some of their objectives doesn't mean that they support them. Same with me and the BNP.

  • breisleach breisleach

    11 Jul 2010, 12:26PM

    while some politicians, such as Geert Wilders in the Netherlands, have skillfully manipulated the situation to enter the corridors of power.

    Wilders' rise in the polls is mostly due to a stale governing elite in the Netherlands, that wilfully ignores their electorate as soon as the elections end.

  • NapoleonKaramazov NapoleonKaramazov

    11 Jul 2010, 12:28PM

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    Bollocks, the BNP is a tiny organisation, but that doesn't stop liberati commentators writing hyperbolic language suggesting we are on the brink of a fascist takeover. They are so inept anyway that they are full of factional fighting and will never ever appeal to the mainstream- only borderline psychopaths. They are a tragic joke.

    Meanwhile actual fasicsts blew up tube trains in London, Madrid and Moscow, have consistently tried to blow up airplanes in mid flight, muzzle free speech, killing people like Theo van gough, tried to kill the Danish Mohammed cartoonist in front of his granddaughter, death threats against Ayaan Hirsi Ali, condemn their own women to slavery.

    I have no problem with Muslims who are happy to adapt their religion to fit into a secualr society- as do most Christians (except the fundamentalists). Christianity has been through a five hundred year process of secualristaion- Islam has not had this process.

    No one is forcing them to live here. Europe will never be a caliphate. If the Omar bakris and Abu Hamzas of this world want Islamist fundamentalist laws then fuck off back to the Arabian peninsula.

    The BNP are our own shame that we have to bear, and it is sad that people live their lives like that, based on hatred and fear. But at least they don't go around blowing commuter trains up.

  • Nielsgeorg Nielsgeorg

    11 Jul 2010, 12:34PM

    The most troubling threat posed by neo-nazism, and the far right in general, as opposed to Islamism, is that it is an indigenous ideology

    No Khalid Diab, you are wrong, the neo nazis are our own guys, and we know them; they are generally despised; the radical islamists are not our own breed, and they are generally not despised by their own.

  • CraigSummers CraigSummers

    11 Jul 2010, 12:35PM

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  • NapoleonKaramazov NapoleonKaramazov

    11 Jul 2010, 12:37PM

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    In May 2010, a British neo-Nazi father and son – who, in an worrying echo of a bygone era, had set up a group to overthrow the government because they believed it had been taken over by Jews – planned to poison Jewish, Muslim and black people with ricin.

    They were two whackos. There were only two members, fahter and son. They probably had the same mental state as Raoul Moat.

    I don't accept that Al Qaeda is a vast global coordianted network as the security/state wants us to believe. Rahter, like Adam Curtis, they are more of a meme, an uncoordianted and spontaneous movement.
    But they are an idea- based on Islamic extremism. Which means the Muslim community needs to question itself more, becuase 'Al Qaeda' is not controlled by a high council in a cave in Afghanistan- it is spontaneous- something is radicalising young muslims and Imams may either look away or actively nurture such extremism.

  • liamnsw liamnsw

    11 Jul 2010, 12:37PM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni

    well Mohammad Amin Al Husayni, a President Of The Supreme Muslim Council actually MET Adolf Hitler & asked Hitler to back Arab Independence, and you have the audacity to complain that Nazisim is an indigenous ideology, when millions died to oppose the very same.

    Fascism is a problem, and the current face of fascism that worries most people is Islamic not Christian or European Indigenous in origin.

  • Achilles0200 Achilles0200

    11 Jul 2010, 12:38PM

    DomC

    Stupid white men.

    Isn't that as racist as saying stupid black or brown men. They are stupid and they are white but if you used the same conjunction of atrributes (skin colour + intelliegence , or rather lack of it) to describe the followers of Mugabe one would expect to see that remark heavily (and properly) censored. Michael Moore has a lot to answer for it - it is symptomatic of liberal hypocrisy that political correctness only flows one way.

  • genoawitness genoawitness

    11 Jul 2010, 12:41PM

    You should have some peace and quiet from Italy for a while, Khaled Diab. Myself and other victims, after a nine year battle secured 70 italian police convictions during the G8 Diaz raid and the Bolzaneto G8 torture trials. Muslims are not the only people being hit by neo-nazis or fascists as they are called in italy.

    so-called anti-globalisation protesters and journalists were on the menu of neo-nazis before 9-11. the result of these verdicts (Bolzaneto-march 2010) and Diaz (18 may 2010) is the neo fascist italian police and their command chain under Lega Nord Minister Moroni has been severely damaged and the italian nazi cops (who tried fto kill me) have lost faith in Berlusconi and Fini who promised Immunity. I can actually say that most of the italian police command chain are corrupt convicted criminals now.

    However, there are very dark clouds gathering in italy as soon as Gianfranco Fini gains power. He will unite all fascist and nazi groups in europe and attempt to do what hitler did in the vacuum of the 1929 wall street crash. The Diaz and Bolzaneto victims, despite cost alliance nationale 11 million euros in defend the neo facist police on trial, have only delayed the inevitable. Fascism will rise again as a polished, tech savvy, riot cop in business suit, 21st century fascist empire.

    If you want to read my story goto here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/17/italy.g8

    Finally, since nazism is in the title of this article, i hope the guardian does not sensor me for using the word.

  • Bangorstu Bangorstu

    11 Jul 2010, 12:41PM

    The threat isn't reported much because it's minor.

    When neo-Nazis get to the stage of trying to stage operations to down several airliners simultaneously, they'll get more coverage.

    The Islamists get the coverage not due to any latent racism but because they are demonstrably a bigger problem.

  • 2H2G 2H2G

    11 Jul 2010, 12:43PM

    This article is as terribly written, agenda-pushing, fear-mongering and ill-informed as any I have ever seen.

    'Let's compare everything to Islamic fundamentalism,' is the doctrine.

    Well no. Let's go by Hiroshima as the single worst act of terrorism in human history, and work our way up from there, shall we?

    May enlightenment soon fill everyone's lives.

  • NotAnApparatchik NotAnApparatchik

    11 Jul 2010, 12:45PM

    Neo-nazism is not a threat to Europe and to claim so, by spinning and exaggeration an actions of a couple of isolated individuals is laughable; the far right are simply not a menace and far less the far left.

    Simply this is a childish attempt to divert attention away from Islamist extremists, who are happy to slaughter innocents and do hold sway in the majority of Islamic countries; to the point I can remember a Islamic that doesn’t have extremists in positions of power.

    As for Geert Wilders, he is only an MP and was elected only because of Islamist extremists, remove them and he would have been elected of a position without power.

    So instead of whining about non-existent threats in Europe the author searching intellect would be better spent attacking the Islamist extremists how do cause suffering especially to Muslims in the Islamic world; could course you properly wouldn’t published in the Guardian but your conscience may be eased.

  • apint4me apint4me

    11 Jul 2010, 12:46PM

    Neo Nazis are unpleasant (a definate understatement) and to a certain degree dangerous but most people in Europe, indigenous or otherwise despise them.

    However really dangerous fascists are also in Europe most of them seem to have big beards, a god fixation and claim to be moslem.

    I know which group I consider to be the most dangerous to me and mine, both in terms of our physical health and in terms of our freedoms etc..

  • davesays davesays

    11 Jul 2010, 12:47PM

    Neo Fascists, Theocratic Fascists, Muslim fascists, what's the difference? They are all Intolerant and trying to raise an imaginary spectre of neo fascism becoming any more than a sidelined bunch of extremists is a distraction from the main issue. Preserving freedom of speech, thought and action from those who would dictate your every move and even your beliefs.

  • nottydave nottydave

    11 Jul 2010, 12:47PM

    The politics of hate, and authoritarianism, be it european or not, christian or muslim, left or right should be a concern for us all. There is no point arguing over which bunch of arseholes is the worse - an arsehole is an arsehole.

    ....and we shouldn't forget that Hitlers lot started off as a very small group of nutters, and look where they got us - complacency is not always a good idea.

    So yes, we mustn't concede to Islamic Fascism, but we must not concede to European Fascism either - both are shit.

  • sham144 sham144

    11 Jul 2010, 12:49PM

    Europe is full of "I'm not racist as I've a friend who is from that section"!! If the media published just 1% of what it does on "Islam" then we would really find out how tolerant Europe is. Just look at the case of the Egyptian lady that was shot dead inside a German court, which virtually received no coverage in the media - can you imagine if this was done by a muslim??!!

    Europe is full of double standards and mostly run by rightwing media and government!! They haven't learnt nothing from their own history, just as the Jews were blamed for everything previously, now it's the turn of muslims!!

  • olching olching

    11 Jul 2010, 12:49PM

    Good article, thanks.

    Interesting, yet depressing and ultimately predictable, to read the comments below the line - the neo-Nazis are 'ours' whereas the Islamists are 'theirs' (and they embrace them far more!).

    Khaled Diab is right to point to disenfranchisement as a common denominator of radicalisation, and in light of the current economic problems, it does not bode well.

    @NapoleonKaramazov:

    Bollocks, the BNP is a tiny organisation, but that doesn't stop liberati commentators writing hyperbolic language suggesting we are on the brink of a fascist takeover. They are so inept anyway that they are full of factional fighting and will never ever appeal to the mainstream- only borderline psychopaths. They are a tragic joke.

    Do you not feel a little embarrassed complaining about hyperbolic language when writing your own posts?

    And I don't recall any 'liberati commentator' suggesting anything of the kind - just simple vigilance of Europe's long-standing threat.

    Meanwhile actual fasicsts blew up tube trains in London, Madrid and Moscow

    Believe it or not, the world existed before 9/11 and problems occurred in that far-away distant other universe. There have always been frequent far-right attacks in Europe (and the US! Let's not forget Timothy McVeigh...), but they usually consist of 'small-scale' violence against the vulnerable (immigrants, outsiders etc...) so they dip under the radar (though there have been big events like the Octoberfest bombing in 1980).

    Consistently, commentators have been warning of the (re)rise of the far-right and the increase in corresponding violence. Yet NapoleonKaramazov et al deem it more appropriate to rant about fantastical 'liberati commentators' and paint an 'us and them' picture ('I don't mind Muslims, but...' - classic!).

    Khaled is right to point to the more mainstream manifestations of Vlaams Belang and I think it's worth bearing the English Defence League in mind, too. Coupled with the power of the internet, the far right is clearly a threat, which must not be taken lightly.

    @NK(again):

    No one is forcing them to live here.

    Classic racist line. 'They' are born here, play football for their corresponding countries, speak the language(s), contribute toward society, and 'they' are therefore as English/British/German/Dutch etc as anyone else.

  • Psalmist Psalmist

    11 Jul 2010, 12:50PM

    Thery may be unpleasant but so far have shown no will to blw people to smithereens or dominate the world.

    In some cases they regretably rpresent the voice of the disenfranchised where no other party will venture.

    Not the biggest threat, that would be radical Islam.

  • Psalmist Psalmist

    11 Jul 2010, 12:52PM

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  • PeculiarDemocracy PeculiarDemocracy

    11 Jul 2010, 12:52PM

    First, far right parties MUST NOT resort to violence, because it's a road to nowhere and all nationalists must understand it. What must be done is to penetrate into all state institutions on the legal basis and grasp the power from inside. Slowly, without revolutions. What is going on now, but not at a desirable pace. To improve the situation all far right parties all over the world should unite in order to share information and experience, although for that certain differences must be overcome.

    neo-Nazis are responsible for a regular and growing stream of violence against Muslims, Jews, blacks and other minorities across Europe.

    It's a lie. There ARE parties who are anti-semits (like in Russia national bolsheviks, who combine communist and nationalist ideology), but it's a marginal stance, and real nationalist parties, ON THE CONTRARY, support Israel. Meanwhile, many leftists are actually victims of anti-semitism.

    Just like their Islamist counterparts, many people who are drawn to neo-Nazi and other far-right ideologies feel disempowered and marginalised

    You must obviously enrich your experience. Sure, you may watch on the streets hooligans, using far right ideology to ground their hatred to the society, but they are not representatives of the far-right ideology, they are just always noticeable and covered by the media. From my experience of communication with people of different views I must say that the majority of real nationalists are intellectuals and very creative people. The problem is that we all have a number of far right parties/movements, which are not all the same, and in this case people must not compare apples with oranges.

  • apint4me apint4me

    11 Jul 2010, 12:54PM

    @sham144
    "Just look at the case of the Egyptian lady that was shot dead inside a German court, which virtually received no coverage in the media - can you imagine if this was done by a muslim??!! "

    ???

    I think it did I remember reading about it.

    Yes Europe is full of double standards, just like every other continent.

  • kbg541 kbg541

    11 Jul 2010, 12:54PM

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  • StaffordS StaffordS

    11 Jul 2010, 12:54PM

    And, as unemployment figures rise and government spending falls, this sense of exclusion and frustration will grow.

    Exactly and your so-called 'Neo-Nazism' is a result of Liberal Socialist policies of encouraging mass migration or being too incompetent to stop the flow.

    This is no different to the current financial crises in the USA (Greenspan) UK (Brown) ... easily identified as inevitable in 1987 onwards (USA) and 1997 (UK) because of flawed economic policies.

    Coverage of Islamic Parties and their activities is going to be driven by Countries whose foreign policies are in opposition to those of the Islamists. Hence much more effort to denigrate any Islamic movement especilly in Europe and the USA just because there is a determination backed by Governments' propaganda departments.

    It is also easy. Islamists can be charactured as bearded, ragheads, hook nosed etc and very different to the white male identical with most Caucasians apart from the obligatory tatoo, shaven or close cropped hair and difficult to differentiate from the tabloids portrayal of an English Football supporter.

    Indeed, many unskilled indigenous Caucasians feel very afraid of either competition for their jobs and blame the Capitalist system or 'Jews' (shorter & possibly easier to spell) and the hard working others when the Liberal EU States pay out masses in Welfare Support to 'foreigners'.

    A few Neo-Nazis are seen as rebelling against what many others would like to- the contraining and thieving State.

    The article fails to address the key factors: Islamists might upset Uncle Sam's (& Israel's) apples 'n oil cart in the Middle East, a few Belgian skinheads won't .

    BTW: Iran is criticised as an Islamist State but Saudi from which the funding for many of the Sunni Islamists flows is rarely mentioned- not above....

  • JedFanshaw JedFanshaw

    11 Jul 2010, 12:59PM

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  • VoNguyenGiap VoNguyenGiap

    11 Jul 2010, 1:04PM

    The Muslim-haters of Europe are neither of the left nor of the right, they are legion, they are everywhere, and they have been doing it for centuries. Neofascist parties are making gains all over Europe, riding the rising tide of anti-Muslim xenophobia. If you hate Muslims today it isn't even hate, it's common sense. After all it's always the Muslims who blow themselves up, never we civilized Westerners, who instead blow them up, on an industrial scale. Is it any wonder then that neonazis are seen as young hotheads who get a bit carried away but basically mean well?

  • cbarr cbarr

    11 Jul 2010, 1:07PM

    The rise of the far right in Europe has being systemic but usually voters change they're minds pretty quickly from Le Pen's close run on the presidency of France a few years ago to the Netherlands now. Although, this rise in attitudes can be attributed to a large number of factors from no concrete alternative on the left and the death of mainstream politics into one singular grouping with ideology no longer coherent the far right can offer a coherent ideology (well in most cases those in the UK always seem like the equivalent of Fascists if they where run by Basil Fawlty) and can play on the growing disparity in European society with social deprivation and economic catalysts such as high unemployment in Europe even during the economic boom leaving fertile ground for they're recruiters.

    However, far right politicians have also managed to capitalize by simply touting they're mantra of national identity claiming the symbols of nationhood under they're own flags and pushing the idea of a homogeneous state. It doesn't help that the mainstream media toe the line and push similar ideological ideals on nationhood and that the moderate right capitalize on these ideals. It's wrong to dismiss the danger that this mixture between conservative realist models of the nation state as a strong singular unit to be promoted and the ability of the far right to then run with this idea and run it into they're economic models can produce. The danger, of course being that you legitimize they're arguments and put them center stage whilst the same conservative media refuse to refute them for they're own ideological grounds creating a vacuum where only a singular message is put forward especially whilst the left in Europe has being in disarray for over a decade.

    The results of this can be seen in the growth of the far right in countries such as Austria, Denmark, Italy, Poland.... this problem is not isolated to northern Europe or to those nations in Europe who are economically struggling it is an issue across Europe and one that needs addressing removing coherent or apparent ideology from mainstream politics a process that has happened to the parliamentary democracies across Europe was clearly a dangerous mistake leaving a vacuum as to real power which in the parliamentary process was derived through engagement something the body politic can no longer achieve and the Fascists can offer.

  • MartynInEurope MartynInEurope

    11 Jul 2010, 1:07PM

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    Very good article Khaleb.

    I think that more can be said on this subject. But, aside from that, I have a couple of comments.

    The difference in how we lump together all Islamists, as if everyone was a potential terrorist, and how we situate right-wing and extreme-rightwing groups is quite indicative of a key reason for generalizing about Islamists. It would as if we lumped together the BNP, Stop the Islamification of Europe, English Defence League, British National Front, UK Independence and the 1922 whateveritscalled, and just called grouped them together as Extreme Rightists; not necessarily violent, racist and homophobic, but in some people's minds, perhaps potentially so – although, come to think of it, I would be more comfortable with a second opinion.

    In the last ten years, down my way, ultras and neo-Nazi gangs have staged on average four thousand acts of street violence a year, and since the transition, have committed almost 100 murders. I would call that a problem, and not just some electoral or social anomaly.

  • sarka sarka

    11 Jul 2010, 1:08PM

    In this country we have the least proportion of Muslims in Europe, and so no Islamists even worth demonising. The only person (as far as I know) ever to get into legal trouble here in connection with voicing support for Islamism was the neo-nazi youth leader who yelled support for Osama bin Ladin at a football match - he thinks Al-Qaida is a good organisation because it hates Jews as much as his organisation does.

    It is reasonable to worry about far right groups, but remember that neo-nazis are a relatively specific category of these...
    This whole article, I'm afraid, seems a not very convincing example of a "tu quoque". Neo-nazis are perfectly real - in this country your argument doesn';t work - we hear much more about them than we do about any Muslims/Islamists! - so far from being overlooked they are in the public eye, and often in the dock! But the problems they characteristically cause - usually to innocent Roma, are quite different in kind to those caused by Islamists...The vast majority of them are very thick, uneducated youths...much thicker than the Islamist extremists. .

  • Ilovemisty Ilovemisty

    11 Jul 2010, 1:10PM

    ....neo-Nazis are responsible for a regular and growing stream of violence against Muslims, Jews, blacks and other minorities across Europe.

    I think you will also find Europe's Jews are under attack from minority Muslim communities as well. Better not mention that though.

  • PeculiarDemocracy PeculiarDemocracy

    11 Jul 2010, 1:11PM

    As for migration, read this article and ask yourself a question - WHY?
    http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/cover-ethnic-cleansing-most-likely-reason-abolition-national-census
    Although we all know the answer ... because big business needs cheap labour to prosper at the expense of the workers, for whom this country is home.

  • thepointis thepointis

    11 Jul 2010, 1:12PM

    Many commenters show couble standards by declaring that neo-nazis have little support in Europe and therefore aren't a threat. They don't seem to realise that if this standard was applied to islamic terrorism, it could only be concluded that it was even less of a threat.

    They seem to believe that there is more support for radical Islam in Europe than for nazism. This seems to be because they can see the far right terrorists as isolated examples of a whole group (white, "indigenous", whatever). They don't seem to understand that there are different strains and currents in Islam, and just see all Muslims as part of one, monolithic whole.

    This is impressively wrong and at very best shows how badly informed they are about the acceptance of violent strands of political islam in muslim and non-muslim communities in Europe.

  • NapoleonKaramazov NapoleonKaramazov

    11 Jul 2010, 1:12PM

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    Olching, the 'no one is forcing them to live here' is a reference to those who hate the liberal secualr west.

    Anjem Choudry is a British born citizen. There is nothing racist about saying if he has such views, and plans for the UK, that he can freely emigrate to somewhere where Sharia fantasy is a reality.

    Just as I would be happy if all the (white native) BNP members flocked to the Antartic, so too would I be happy if those who seek to impose sharia decided to leave this country.

    That they were born here and play football here is of no relevance. Indeed that shows a degree of integration and is a postive, hiopefully more integration would equal less extremism.

    You also talk aobut atrocites like those committed by Timothy Mcveigh, of course they happened. I do not deny the repusliveness of the BNP/NF et al. They are our cross to bear, a repulsive stain on our country. But the point is there is no comparison between establsihed and entrenched Islamic fundamentalism that has caused atrocites and fringe lunatics.

  • MartynInEurope MartynInEurope

    11 Jul 2010, 1:14PM

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    kbg541

    11 Jul 2010, 12:54PM

    The neo-nazi's didn't bomb the London Underground. Al-Quieda did. By the way, by neo-nazis do you include Hilter's muslim supporters amongst them whose only criticism of Hitler is that he did not exterminate all the jews during the holocaust?

    The previous time that the Nazis bombed London, people had to take refuge in the London Underground, didn't they.

  • Ilovemisty Ilovemisty

    11 Jul 2010, 1:16PM

    @MartynInEurope

    The difference in how we lump together all Islamists, as if everyone was a potential terrorist, and how we situate right-wing and extreme-rightwing groups is quite indicative of a key reason for generalizing about Islamists.

    Yes, the Islamists which vote Labour and Respect are perfectly OK, they do after all hate the US and Israel so cannot be all bad.

  • petrifiedprozac petrifiedprozac

    11 Jul 2010, 1:17PM

    This article has no scholarship or insight into the subject it is about. He lumps mindless racist yoofs with rightwing protest parties, with serious rightwing activists. The one thing about all these rightwing groupings and some of them are miniscule, they'll never be able to decide whether they wanted fish & chips or a hamburger at the local cafe, never mind form a political grouping that could take action.

  • Ilovemisty Ilovemisty

    11 Jul 2010, 1:17PM

    @MartynInEurope

    The previous time that the Nazis bombed London, people had to take refuge in the London Underground, didn't they.

    Yes but then some on the Left did not make excuses for them for doing it.

  • ngavc ngavc

    11 Jul 2010, 1:18PM

    More of the standard line from the left. The actions of a few deluded, non-Muslim, idiots on the right are always blamed on a massive international conspiracy; while the devastation of the international conspiracy that is Islamo-Fascism is blamed on a few deluded individuals.

  • MartynInEurope MartynInEurope

    11 Jul 2010, 1:18PM

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    If someone is as legally British as I am, they can say that the UK is all crap, and it doesn't make them any less British, or mean that they should go and live somewhere else. Where would most of us be if every time we complained we were told to piss off to somewhere else?

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