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April 1, 2010 10:02 AM PDT

Microsoft's big gamble with free Office

by Ina Fried

SAN FRANCISCO--Microsoft has a new plan to make more money from Office: give it away.

With Office 2010, one of the biggest changes is how many ways there are to get Microsoft's most profitable software program for free.

In addition to the free, browser-based Office Web Apps, Microsoft is also offering PC makers the ability to install a basic version of Office on new computers. The new program, Office Starter, includes a stripped-down version of Word and Excel. PC makers, retailers and Microsoft can all make money if the PC buyer later upgrades to a paid version of Office.

New buying options for Office 2010 include a "product key card" that can be used to upgrade the basic version of Word and Excel on new PCs.

(Credit: Microsoft)

"People will be exposed to the Office 2010 experience from the minute they turn on that PC," Microsoft Business Division President Stephen Elop said Wednesday in an interview here. Microsoft is estimating that 80 percent of new PCs sold at retail after the launch of Office 2010 will have the starter edition of Office pre-installed, he said.

It's obviously a huge gamble for Microsoft, which still makes the bulk of its profits from Windows and Office. That said, most of the Office money comes from businesses and, on the consumer side, Microsoft is also trying to contend with free rivals like Google Apps.

Plus, while Starter is new, Microsoft has always had a lower-end productivity suite. Office Starter replaces Microsoft Works, a product that was both sold at retail and heavily pre-installed on new PCs. While Office Starter only shows the user the slimmed-down versions of Word and Excel, PC makers are actually loading the full version of Office, ready to be unlocked as soon as the buyer pays for an upgrade.

To make buying that full copy of Office easier, Microsoft plans to flood stores with options to buy the product. In addition to the traditional boxed copies of the suite, Microsoft is also planning to sell "product key cards" that can be used to upgrade a single copy of Office (boxed copies can be used for two or three computers, depending on the edition).

The product key cards have a number of other subtle differences as compared with traditional boxed products. One is that the cards, like gift cards at a supermarket, are just pieces of plastic or cardboard until they are activated. That means stores don't have to pay for lots of copies of the software upfront.

"We're migrating to an inventory-less model," Elop said.

But saving retailers the cost of stocking inventory is just one aspect.

The move to product cards also allows Office to be carried in more places within the store.

"If it is an inventory product, if it is a real boxed product with real value, there are always concerns about the security of that product," he said.

By contrast, the product key cards can be placed at all the positions where someone might think of buying Office (or be convinced by a salesperson)--in the software section, near the PCs, and, most importantly, right by the cash register.

Microsoft also plans to use the Web apps as a way to sell the full Office. Elop said there will be a prominent button within the browser-based programs to open a document in the desktop versions of Office. Those that have the latest Office will see the document immediately, while Microsoft will have an opportunity to sell those with an older version or no version of Office on the benefits of buying Office 2010.

The challenge, Elop said, is making sure that Microsoft doesn't mess up the user experience in its efforts to sell users on paid products.

"You have to balance the absolute importance of the quality of the user experience against the desire to also have an upsell opportunity," Elop said. "We will bias toward making sure the user experience really hangs together...We've seen situations in other companies, on other days where people have become too aggressive on that."

For more from my chat with Elop about Office 2010, check out the video interview above.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by MikePulsifer April 1, 2010 10:27 AM PDT
I see they're deathly concerned about protecting their monopoly. Not surprised.
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by XCMeathead April 1, 2010 10:48 AM PDT
Yes, it's so wrong of them to want to continue to make profits. And how dare they do that by offering us something for free?!

The audacity!
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by gerrrg April 1, 2010 11:51 AM PDT
@XCMeathead

Funny how you transitioned a post critiquing a monopoly to one about self-interested profit margins...

as I recall in 1998, Microsoft pushed the free IE browser and all but eliminated the competition for years.
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by El_Segfaulto April 1, 2010 12:34 PM PDT
How long before the EU forces Microsoft to display a ballot screen extolling the virtues of OpenOffice and other third party offerings.
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by vikinzer April 1, 2010 12:58 PM PDT
Oh Meathead, your name is so appropriate. If you had an understanding of anti-trust law you would understand why this could (and likely is) be a bad thing. You are allowed to give something away for free unless you have a Monopoly position, which Microsoft still does in the realms of desktop OS and office productivity. At that point what they are doing is considered abusing your monopoly position. This is in fact very close to the stunt they pulled with Internet Explorer.

In this case they don't have nearly as timid a competitor in OpenOffice and Google as they did in Netscape. That and the minimalistic neutered version of what they are giving away for free is likely to protect them in the courts, but it's still a very similar tactic.

The fact is this is going to hurt programs like OpenOffice and possibly Google Apps. If it only takes away a little bit of their business then no big deal, we chalk it up to normal competition and move on. If it were to have a profound enough effect to truly stifle the competition, and either stymie their development, or heaven forbid shut them down altogether then the act has harmed consumers. It has harmed them by taking away choice, it has harmed them by destroying competition which will damage the quality of later versions of Office. Anyone who disagrees with my second point I challenge to find a computer with IE 6 on it and only use that browser for oh say the next 2 months. Then use IE 7 and remind yourself that it only came out after Firefox had proven it's massive appetite for IE market share.

This isn't about yelling "Stick it" to microsoft. This is about understanding what leveraging a monopolistic position means to the entire ecosystem involved, and what it means not only to our rights as consumers, but to the health of Microsoft as a company.
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by Super2online April 1, 2010 2:15 PM PDT
@vikinzer - Offering a free limited function version of Office that only offers 2 of the 4 normal apps has no chance of affecting OpenOffice in the slightest. That's like crying foul when a 10 time indy winner decides to enter with a 6 cylinder engine in his car, the only person he has handy capped is himself. He can't win, he is only in the race to give himsellf exposure. Besides computer manufactures also have to go along and they are more than welcome to offer OpenOffice as well.
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by scifidc April 1, 2010 4:44 PM PDT
I welcome all things free. Companies like Zoho already does the same thing. They offer free watered down online doc softwares. Then there's subscription fee for full functionality. It has a lot better UI than both Google or Open Office(with many re-incarnation including star office). Google can't do this better than a small companies like Zoho? Maybe this'd stimulate their butt to start producing something that someone would actually want to use....
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by lazycat202 April 1, 2010 7:10 PM PDT
nice name: meathead LOL
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by make_or_break April 1, 2010 11:58 PM PDT
All this ranting is superfluous. The freebie 'Office' is dumbed-down; the REAL business model is to entice samplers to pay good money for the full-on versions that are anything but free. OpenOffice will hardly be affected, because it has been free all along in its fully functional glory.

This is the software equivalent of the guy handing out samples of teriyaki chicken on toothpicks outside his take-out stand.
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by deniceels April 2, 2010 1:59 AM PDT
@El_Segfaulto : same goes to Apple with it's iWorks and iLife too; How long before EU start hunting down on Apple for tying Quicktime with iTunes, iTunes and Safaris with iPod Touches, iPhones, iPad.
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by joshsc April 2, 2010 5:29 AM PDT
They may have a monopoly, but with all of the free software out there that is compatible, NOONE should be making a stupid comment like you just did. They have a monopoly because people like the product, else they would buy another or use a free one. Go back to your hole.
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by shuyin84 April 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT
the words Microsoft and free can only be used in the same sentence together when the words "with a catch" appear at the end of it.
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by heygeo April 1, 2010 1:03 PM PDT
and your point?! nothing you get from Google is free... your just not paying with cash but with privacy and advertising time... so grow up and dont be so naive.
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by spitbucket April 1, 2010 1:51 PM PDT
"... your just not paying with cash but with privacy and advertising time."

Personally, its not a problem with me.It's either your wallet or your so called "privacy".
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by Super2online April 4, 2010 8:47 AM PDT
Really? What catch is there other than just using a Microsoft product do you get with all of the online and downloadable apps and services MIcrosoft offers? Just a partial list would include Windows Messenger, Writer, Movie Maker, Photo Gallery, Live Mail, Family Center, Hotmail, Contacts, Skydrive, Groups, Spaces, Mesh, Calendar, Agenda, To Do Lists, Office Live, Web Office, Photo Sharing, Media Encoder, clipart & document templates, Video Sharing & conferencing. Let's also not forget MSN and Bing with all there free services. Then there's the fact that you can get all of this stuff on almost any smart phone and some of it on Xbox Live even with a silver membership. Not to mention all of the apps that come with Windows on a PC. I have looked high and low and haven't found the catch that sucked me into paying for anything!
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by pj-mckay April 6, 2010 12:27 AM PDT
Who cares apart from zealots and folk with other vested interest??? MS are only doing what any other company does but everyone is up in arms because it's them. Nobody moans that Ford only offers Ford branded accessories with their new cars, or that honda does likewise. Nobody ******* that a brand of coffee carries adverts for THEIR other products. Do we really expect Ford to point us to Honda or Halfords? Of coursenot so please get off your high horse and buy what YOU want. If you don't like Office then don't buy it. I wouldn't buy it if it didn't come from my company for under ?20 but then I use it daily, I'm comfortable with it, and it's cheap. I WOULDN'T buy it at retail, and suspect mos t folk wont.

The big problem that I see is that Open Office have made little inroads into user perception, and there marketing has been so poor. How could something free and good FAIL to oust Microsoft Office at home. It makes NO sense unless the product is rubbish OR they're not getting the message across properly.

At the end of the day folk use what THEY want. Not what MS tell them, NOT what you tell them, and no front-end question is going to change that.

ps Does anyone really believe the IE choice thing has made 1 it of difference? Why would I look at using something that's free and might work when I've got something free that does work? It's a no brainer... kill the question, delete the unwanted shortcut, and untick the browser choice in msconfig startup. Seemples!
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by Endbringer42 April 6, 2010 5:48 AM PDT
I guess the catch here is that you are being force to purchase a full copy of Office, right? Is that what you mean? Because I can't tell where the catch is. Perhaps it was my government education that has dumbed me down.
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by freemarket--2008 April 6, 2010 1:44 PM PDT
@Endbringer42: The 'catch' with Microsoft is that anything they throw in for free is actually factored into the price of the OS--whether you want it or not. That's how you extend your OS monopoly to anything else you want.
by indiemixer April 1, 2010 10:31 AM PDT
What a misleading headline. I was pretty stupid to believe it.
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by 1812dave April 1, 2010 10:33 AM PDT
free office? LIARS!!!!!!
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by heygeo April 1, 2010 1:04 PM PDT
did you not read the article? where exactly is the lie?
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by Hernys April 3, 2010 11:11 PM PDT
I actually tested the Starter Edition beta and it was not really crippled. It had actually more features and capabilities than most alternatives, and it kept the same familiar UI. Sounds like a good deal to me.
Exactly what's the lie here?
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by freemarket--2008 April 6, 2010 1:47 PM PDT
Nothing from MS is free. You pay for the 'freebies' in a higher OS price and less competition in the applications market. Look at what they did to browsers before Firefox came along.
by solitare_pax April 1, 2010 10:34 AM PDT
Excuse me, but how is this new?

Every PC I view in the big box stores seems to have "MS OFFICE" loaded inside - as a 90 day trial version. At the end of those 90 days, once you are set in the way it works - you have to pay the Microsoft Tax (TM) or lose access to your e-mail and other data.

I tried to explain this one to a brilliant ex-boss who was a certified genius - I got yelled at about it twice, once for daring to state the obvious catches when he fired the new $299 PC box up, the second time 90 days after the purchase because he had to spend more money on it to access those vital e-mails.

This is just the same thing with different strings.
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by hafenbrack April 1, 2010 10:46 AM PDT
this isn't a trial version that will expire in 90 days. this is a reduced feature version that the user can use in perpituity (sp?) and decide to upgrade if they need/want the additional features the full versions offer.
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by kingstonshottas April 1, 2010 10:54 AM PDT
It is different because this is not a trial that will expire. This is just a watered down version of Office which will replace Microsoft Works which hardly anyone used anyways. Obviously some more technically features will be omitted but it is unlikely that the average home user will need these features anyways. If you are a business user or a home user that requires the features of the full version then of course you will be required to upgrade to the full version. If you're someone like myself however who just really needs the more basic everyday functions then this will be more than sufficient.
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by lazycat202 April 1, 2010 7:11 PM PDT
@solitare
try again please!
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by MeepMan April 2, 2010 12:50 PM PDT
The strings are still obnoxious. And the fact that Microsoft doesn't offer a free, stripped-down version for Mac could be viewed as anti for their Operating System and therefore lead to all sorts of lawsuits. No one will bother, though. Seriously, my biggest problem is that Microsoft doesn't have a central software repository within the operating system allowing the user to get around using terrible programs such as Internet Explorer or the Microsoft Office Suite. They could make requirements for it, like the Apple App Store, and filter out malicious ones. But Microsoft can't put forth the effort. If they would, then their anti-competition charges would go away, as Microsoft could say to any such charges that "the options are right there!" They could even have their own payment options built-in to charge for the different softwares. The possibilities are endless. Plus, I'd never have to touch that ugly mess called Internet Explorer while trying to get to the Mozilla download site.
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by DrtyDogg April 4, 2010 10:15 AM PDT
@Pax, great story. You either a) made it up, or b) are incompetent.
by Big_Wizz April 1, 2010 10:34 AM PDT
I'm for anything that kills off the Microsoft Works suite. What a waste of software that is.
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by douggdangger April 1, 2010 10:47 AM PDT
I love the knee jerk reactions of the anti-Microsoft shills.

Microsoft does NOT have a monopoly on office. There are other suites you can buy out there and there are even FREE ones that are just as good. If you don't like MS Office, do NOT buy it. If you NEED it and don't like the alternatives, you need to PAY FOR IT. What are you waiting for? Obama to Nationalize software?
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by ddesy April 1, 2010 11:31 AM PDT
Gee, a knee jerk anti-Obama reaction. What a surprise.

Microsoft has a near monopoly on office software. Why? Because they refuse to join in on working with open standards. Office 2007 also started setting the default file format to something incompatible with existing Office versions without the use of conversion software.
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by smilin:) April 1, 2010 12:02 PM PDT
@ddesy:

Microsoft has done enormous work with and for open standards. Want to know WHY it defaults to a format that is incompatible with existing office versions? Because it defaults to the open standard version.

Oh...and that "conversion software" was made free to users of older office versions so they could use open standards as well.

Quit being a hater.
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by Random_Walk April 1, 2010 12:31 PM PDT
"Microsoft has done enormous work with and for open standards"

...including stacking ISO committees, getting a state CTO fired for daring to propose a different format, lodging sham "standards" to claim an "open standard" (hint: "WorksLikeWin95" is not an open component), and sundry other tricks to make claims that do not hold up under scrutiny.
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by El_Segfaulto April 1, 2010 12:37 PM PDT
@ddesy

I hate to tell you this but all you have to do is change the file extension on any 2007 versioned file to .zip and you can peek see your entire document, formatting and everything in XML. This is open, this is good. Microsoft is still a corporation out for its own good, but over the last few years even I have to admit they've been working to clean up their image.
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by Random_Walk April 1, 2010 1:02 PM PDT
"all you have to do is change the file extension on any 2007 versioned file to .zip and you can peek see your entire document, formatting and everything in XML"

Sure - because that's totally a legible option to some ordinary employee who opens it and sees:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?>
<Types xmlns="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/content-types"><Default Extension="bin" ContentType="application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.printerSettings"/><Override PartName="/xl/theme/theme1.xml" ContentType="application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.theme+xml"/><Override PartName="/xl/styles.xml" ContentType="application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.styles+xml"/><Override PartName="/xl/worksheets/sheet6.xml" ContentType="application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.worksheet+xml"/><Default Extension="rels" ContentType="application/vnd.openxmlformats-package.relationships+xml"/><Default Extension="xml" ContentType="application/xml"/><Override PartName="/xl/workbook.xml"

...
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by GajaKannan April 1, 2010 1:10 PM PDT
@ddesy, which open standard. Care to explain? Do you know google apps is using its own standard and not openoffice.org.. There is no open standard for office type apps.
by topgunb2 April 1, 2010 1:12 PM PDT
@random, talks of openness coming from you (you being an apple supporter) is hypocrisy.

show me any xml which end user can read like word, what's your point? get a life random get a real job!
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by wirelesscaller April 1, 2010 1:23 PM PDT
Agreed, I opted to use open source instead by using OpenOffice for document processing and Thunderbird for emails. I simply used the pendriveapps version which can be downloaded from a safety and security of Cnet so I can simply copy the files over to my pendrive to use between multiple computers. MS has a great suite and for those that loves it's integration and easy syncing with their smartphones it's great and convenient. For those who would prefer a more frugal option they are out there but will require more work and free time to learn to use it as a replacement. The money spent may be a great savings for those who earn enough that their free time is more important, for the rest of us our time may be worth more than the money to purchase it. Luckily we all have a choice.
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by Random_Walk April 1, 2010 3:39 PM PDT
"...talks of openness coming from you (you being an apple supporter) is hypocrisy."

I'm not exactly an "Apple supporter" there, sport. ;)

You are of course free to continue operating under bad assumptions and ignorance - I don't mind.
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by fudbuster77 April 1, 2010 5:12 PM PDT
@Randomwalk:

"I'm not exactly an "Apple supporter" there, sport. ;) "

It's true, you mostly are a Linux fan boy, but grudgingly approve of Apple if only because they both hate Microsott.

It's all about the hatred. :)
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by Mergatroid Mania April 1, 2010 10:49 AM PDT
The basic version will likely be ad supported.

Considering there are quire a few email, word processing and database options out there I would definitely not say MS has a monopoly on office software, although it has become a standard. That would be because it's good software.

I don't know why everyone is whining about MS selling Office, and a "Mircosoft Tax". They made the software they have a perfect right to sell it. On top of that it looks like the vast majority of offices around the world agree.

I'm not a Microsoft fanboy, and I don't like the new "ribbon" interface, but it IS good software. Simple as that.
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by RobertAPierce April 1, 2010 11:25 AM PDT
No argument on their right to sell it in whatever way they want, but regarding the reason it became a standard: MS used their OS monopoly to drive out Lotus 123 and replace it with Excel. Each version of windows would break something in lotus, and IBM/Lotus repeatedly got incomplete or inaccurate information on internal api calls and documentation. MS standard MO: leverage OS dominance to crush other competitors in a specific market, then gain dominance in that market.
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by kojacked April 1, 2010 11:48 AM PDT
"MS used their OS monopoly to drive out Lotus 123 and replace it with Excel. Each version of windows would break something in lotus, and IBM/Lotus repeatedly got incomplete or inaccurate information on internal api calls and documentation."

This is pure FUD. Lotus lost their way when IBM bought them up. While it's true for a time Office used undocumented calls their use did not break the Lotus products nor make them as craptastic as they were.
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by Drake3000 April 1, 2010 11:50 AM PDT
@RobertAPierce: You obviously are young :) If you go back to the time Lotus 1-2-3 was based on MS-DOS and Windows 3.0 debuted, Lotus did not port their software to the new Windows version... Microsoft did - they created Excel to run in Windows 3.0. The software took off - obviously consumers wanted to use a spreadsheet in a windowed environment. Lotus had to play catch-up, but by that time it was too late.

Bottom line: Microsoft invested early to get a windowed spreadsheet program out, Lotus didn't. As a result Lotus lost share quickly.

At the company I worked for at the time, when Lotus did finally port 1-2-3 to Windows, it worked well. Not sure what you are talking about Windows 'breaking' Lotus - I never had a problem with Lotus 1-2-3 working on WIndows - it was just that Excel was better, more functionally rich, and easier to use. And shouldn't it have been? I mean MS did have a large head start... Lotus chose not to invest at that time.

Don't blame MS - put the blame where it belongs, and at least in this one case, it belonged to Lotus.
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by ikramerica--2008 April 1, 2010 5:36 PM PDT
Revise your history.

MS released Excel on the Macintosh years before Windows 3.0. It was MS's first WYSIWYG product, though MS Chart for DOS was close. The W3.0 version of Excel was a port of the Mac version, and customers responded positively. But did MS give Lotus early access to Windows 3.0 in order for them to port it? How much of a time advantage did MS have? Lotus had a mac version, but the DOS version was better, so WIndowizing the DOS version to WYSIWIG or porting the Mac version were not good options, so Lotus would have had to come up with a new version entirely while supporting two other versions (as there was still strong DOS based demand).

Even way back then, MS owning the OS and using it to leverage their office product DID hurt the competition.
by regulator1956 April 2, 2010 10:57 AM PDT
I used Excel way before Windows 3.0 came out. It opened a run-time version of Windows 2.11 and then ran.

Many products ran on run-time Windows 2.11. I worked for a company that started developing software under Windows 1.07 and sold lots of software under Windows 2.11 - Wonderware process automation software. Lotus could have done the same, but market leaders usually stay away from change. That's why market leaders lose ground to more nimble competitors.

At my office (before Wonderware), we painfully went from Lotus 123 to Excel the day Excel for the PC was released. The pain only lasted a few weeks and then life was good - Excel was so far superior to Lotus.
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by farokh April 2, 2010 12:30 PM PDT
I worked in the marketing department of Ingram Micro when Windows 3.0 came out. Lotus refused to believe that Windows would take off. It was a fad, they said. Windows 3.0 crashes all the time. No one will switch to it. It took us at least a year to convince them and WordPerfect to port their software to Windows.

Excel was not created by MS, it was purchased. An excellent product that is superior in many ways to OpenOffice. I use both both different purposes and have compared them extensively.

The one issue I have with MS is that they were not bothered by questions of intellectual property when Windows 3.0 first came out. All their software applications could be easily pirated. Aldus Corp had developed anti piracy software that was very effective. Adobe killed that when they purchased Aldus. MS did not use it either. Giving the software away ensured market dominance. Lotus insisted on selling their product for $495. Excel could be pirated with impunity.

Once they achieved market dominance, MS started crying about their intellectual property. The stats on user upgrades is dismal. A new incarnation of a software app does not guarantee that users will migrate to it. This new plan is not a bad one. Replacing the useless MS Works with a dumbed version of Office should be very effective from a marketing point of view.

The only caveat is that general users take advantage of very few features in a software application. A dumbed version might be all they need. Allowing for future upgrades is a win-win proposition.

I also do not think this will affect OpenOffice in any way.
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by cpmeeker April 1, 2010 10:57 AM PDT
What the hell is a 'slimmed down' version of Office? Excel won't multiply? The backspace/delete keys in Word are disabled? You can receive e-mail but not send it in Outlook?

A little more specifics please, CNET.
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by cloudmatt April 1, 2010 11:11 AM PDT
Nothing official but I would have to imagine the slimmed down limitations are going to be mostly back end kinda things. Office has piles of interoperability functions to bring all the different parts to a single whole. That's probably where the limits come in, sure you can use word to it's "fullest" writing documents but you might not be able to link tables from excel as an example. Maybe it won't publish to web for you or not offer a self executing power point option.

Sure it's speculation on my part but that would seem to be the way to go about it.
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by bemenaker April 1, 2010 11:18 AM PDT
My best guess would be missing some thing like maybe macros, ability to connect to a database to pull data. The kinds of features a home users doesn't need but business users do.
by Renegade Knight April 1, 2010 11:36 AM PDT
If your lucky it will be the 20% of the features that you actually use and the other 80% you never did not cluttering up your menu.
by smilin:) April 1, 2010 12:04 PM PDT
@Renegade:

"Cluttering up your menu"?? Have you actually seen the ribbon?
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by fudbuster77 April 1, 2010 2:01 PM PDT
I would suspect that most of the functionality that will be removed would be likely enterprise-level integration with other products or services- does the home user writing a book report for school really need to access and store their documents on a Sharepoint site?

As a simple version of Office, they may have something here.
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by nSeika April 1, 2010 6:03 PM PDT
They don't have details on what's being crippled yet.
But as long as Styles doesn't get removed (Zoho doesn't support it, don't know Google, but OpenOffice had it too) then I'm fine. That and other text formatting options.

Never understand how to use Mail Merge anyway
by Jack_Smith56 April 2, 2010 4:08 AM PDT
I'd Be Gutted if they took out spellchecker! :L
by jltnol--2008 April 1, 2010 10:57 AM PDT
Ohh would you like to SAVE your document? That's going to cost extra.
Spell Check? Anything more than basic formatting? Color? Font selection and size? That'll be more, please.

I can hardly WAIT on this fiasco.
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by douggdangger April 1, 2010 11:12 AM PDT
That's like me walking into a restaurant and getting upset at the waitress because she refuses to put my left overs in a doggy bag simply because I'm freeloading.
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by Random_Walk April 1, 2010 12:36 PM PDT
"...because she refuses to put my left overs in a doggy bag simply because I'm freeloading."

Err, if you paid for the meal (computer), you have the perfect right to take home the breadsticks (app) in a doggie bag.

...unless those breadsticks came from Microsoft, apparently.

BTW - how about we get to invoice Microsoft and/or the OEM for the disk space being eaten by the unused features that come pre-packed? After all, Office 2007 (minus Project, Visio, etc) weighs in at nearly 2GB minus compression.
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by heygeo April 1, 2010 1:14 PM PDT
@Random_Walk

have you never installed an application using options? you know like the options to only install the components you need?

i know you hate MSFT that is evident but now your just beligerent.
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by heygeo April 1, 2010 1:49 PM PDT
kinda like Google? except with google its let me have your privacy make a crap load of money off you and you can have access to a mediocre web part to keep shearing you like sheep... yeah that sounds better right?
by fudbuster77 April 1, 2010 2:04 PM PDT
@Random_Walk:


I know you like to brag about how OS X is so much smaller in the base installation over Windows. That's fine. It IS a lot smaller than prior OS X installations and that was great.

This week I downloaded just over a half gigabyte of updates for OS X Snow Leopard. That, plus the iTunes, and iWorks updates put me up there at a full Gb in updates. The install is now *larger* than OS X was before it was slimmed down.

So... before you start complaining about Microsoft taking up hard drive space to make it easier to offer features instantly, please call Steve Jobs up and ask him my my hard drive space keeps shrinking.
by Random_Walk April 1, 2010 3:46 PM PDT
"have you never installed an application using options?"

...which usually have a polite habit of not wasting space on the hard drive with near-literal gigabytes of unnecessary features, unlike this wee adventure. Your point?

==

"This week I downloaded just over a half gigabyte of updates for OS X Snow Leopard."

...which likely replaces a near-equal size of existing files, much like Windows does with updates and patches. It also gets used (in the OS). aside from the ability to revert, it doesn't eat HDD space on balance - at least not to the tune of multiple gigabytes.

OTOH, we have this free MS Office version, which sits around on your hard drive doing nothing but waiting for a sales opportunity.

Nice try, though.
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by gggg sssss April 1, 2010 8:27 PM PDT
@Random_Walk so 2 terabytes of disk is $150. Why areyou whining about 2 gig? Except to whine?
by Random_Walk April 2, 2010 7:05 AM PDT
"so 2 terabytes of disk is $150"

On your home computer, it does.

Now go price disk space per TB as sold by folks like NetApp, EMC, Hitachi...
by gggg sssss April 2, 2010 3:35 PM PDT
@Random_Walk and who in their right mind runs Office on a netapp device?
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by Random_Walk April 2, 2010 5:36 PM PDT
VMWare View users.

Next question?
by gamathers11 April 1, 2010 10:58 AM PDT
Open Office is a great alternative. http://www.openoffice.org/
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by jheinikel April 1, 2010 12:03 PM PDT
Open office? You are kidding right. If they charged $1 that would be way overpriced. It's barely compatible with itself, much less any newer office programs. You must be a cheap person to think open office is an option. Spend the money and get the world standard.
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by smilin:) April 1, 2010 12:04 PM PDT
Open Office is an alternative. http://www.openoffice.org/

...fixed that for you.
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by Notjub April 1, 2010 12:37 PM PDT
Oh, jheinikel, isn't it rich to accuse OpenOffice of being incompatible with itself, when I've been here at work installing "Compatibility packs" so that the "World standard" can understand word documents it wrote itself 5 years ago?
by Notjub April 1, 2010 12:38 PM PDT
Oh, jheinikel, isn't it rich to accuse OpenOffice of being incompatible with itself, when I've been here at work installing "Compatibility packs" so that the "World standard" can understand word documents it wrote itself 5 years ago?

I'd say OpenOffice is more complatible with word docs than Word itself...
by heygeo April 1, 2010 1:46 PM PDT
Open office is a great alternative.... To root canal.. absolutely attrocious to use, terrible usuability and short of the absolutely basics really can't be taken seriously.
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by fudbuster77 April 1, 2010 2:09 PM PDT
Hey now, I *LIKE* OpenOffice. It's a great suite- and it's free!

But it's not something I would give to new compute users. The interface is for experienced veterans or computer geeks- not neophytes. Sure, there are some who adapt to it readily, but it is not an intuitive approach. And since there isn't any support for it that end users can easily access, that is somewhat of a show stopper right there.

iWorks and... yes, MS Office (*grumble*) are the better choice for a home user.
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by gggg sssss April 1, 2010 8:32 PM PDT
OO is NO alternative. OK , maybe an alternative to Works

@ Notjub have you actually installed that compatibility pack you speak ill of? Do you actually know what it does? It allows those old versions of Word to open and create the newest version documents, not the other way around. Probbaly explains why you call yourself Notjub, Cant spell No job or nut job. Same diff.
by MeepMan April 2, 2010 1:43 PM PDT
Actually, I dislike OpenOffice and I use Linux. KOffice is a much better application for me. Try it if you'd like. http://windows.kde.org/download.php will get you the downloader, which in turn lets you get the office suite. Right now it's not extraordinarily stable, but it should be fine most of the time. For Linux, it's astounding, and is what OpenOffice.org is not.
by assman April 1, 2010 11:10 AM PDT
Terrible idea for MSFT.. this will only result in loss of revenue for them. People with a limited edition aren't going to buy a full edition. Their stock just dropped 2% in response.
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by douggdangger April 1, 2010 11:18 AM PDT
I agree that demo and lite versions are a terrible idea.

Who needs to be able to try a product out, seeing if you like it or not before buying it. Car companies should follow your idea and abolish test drives.
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by Renegade Knight April 1, 2010 11:18 AM PDT
You have to step back and look at the bigger picture. They are competing agasint Openoffice and others who are free. If they continue to charge what they charge they will lose marketshare to the competition. No matter what their future is less revenue in software, but better a large peice of a small pie than losing it all.

This is a smart move on the part of MicroSoft.
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by ddesy April 1, 2010 11:33 AM PDT
@douggdangger

This isn't about "try before you buy" anymore.

What is happening is that they are releasing a version that people can use for free without having to buy anything else. People generally buy as little as they can, so this could easily lead to lost revenue compared to having a trial version.
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by El_Segfaulto April 1, 2010 12:42 PM PDT
Let's be realistic. An office suite is like a graphing calculator. 90% of people won't use more than 10% of the actual functionality. Will the average home user care if their version won't connect to a sharepoint server? Or can't pull data off of a SQL database? Or doesn't support versioning? (note: These were all just the items that I personally believe Microsoft will leave out, your mileage may vary)
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by kingstonshottas April 1, 2010 12:56 PM PDT
Despite some of the bonehead moves that Microsoft has made in the past, I do think this is a great move for Microsoft. This will have a very minimal (if any) impact on their sales. People don't by Microsoft Office because they think it's cool, they buy it because they need it. It's no secret that the majority of sales come from Corporate customers. I can't imagine that corporate and business customers are going to bypass purchasing the full product because there is a lighter free version available. If this was the case then more corporate customers would have ditched the product a long time ago for the free alternatives. The vast majority of Office feautures were intended for corporate use and most home users will barely scratch the surface and may use 5% of available features, if that much. This will have the biggest impact on home users, who in the past would simply just go to the library, or to a friend who owned the product, or use their school/work computer, or switch to a free alternative and lets not forget about the piracy. This move will at least expose home users to the product and give them less of a reason to use a free alternative or pirate the software.
by heygeo April 1, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
they are giving away office as a web app .... how can this hurt them even more?
its not so hard to see why this makes sense... but let me point this out.

A FREE LIGHT VERSION OF OFFICE THICK APP IS BETTER THAN ANY VERSION OF A WEB APP FOR CREATING CONTENT!!!!

there i said it.. So the play for MSFT here is that if you own a thick app and have MSFT web app you'll have no need to play with GApps or Gmail for that matter, also you cant use a free thick app on Google's chrome OS can you....now say it with me ... AHH I GET IT.

this is a dagger to Google to nueter them in coming into the OS world and productivity.
by fudbuster77 April 1, 2010 2:14 PM PDT
How many new computer user were likely to be spending $250 for the full version of Office anyways? Somehow I just don't see that happening. Sure, there will be some power users who do, but the home user isn't th sort that needs to be spending as much on the software as they do on a simple cheap laptop.

I don't see this really affecting their software sales, but if they do an ad-supported web version, then this could be very important for their advertising revenue. And as we are moving away from the OS/Application model on a local system to a server/client based system, then this may be a move that is very timely indeed.
by assman April 2, 2010 12:38 AM PDT
Some good and not-so-good rebuttals to my comment. I agree this probably won't affect corporate sales so much, except for some small businesses looking to save money perhaps. I was focusing on home users. Like others have stated here, most only need or want 5% of the features so a free version would be more than enough for a majority of them most likely. Ad-supported web apps make more sense to me from a profit and competitive perspective. Google is certainly a potential competitor in this realm that is beginning to gain some ground, albeit very little ground as yet. I might have been too quick to call this a "terrible" idea, as I do not yet have enough information about this proposal.

To douggdangger, I'm not suggesting Microsoft shouldn't offer Trial versions of their products. They already do that. Your analogy does not fit here. This is more like race-car makers giving consumers free models of their cars that have some high-end features removed.
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by Anita090 April 1, 2010 11:24 AM PDT
I am thoroughly fed up with Microsoft. I have had Office 1997/2000/2003 and Office Professional 2007 (this edition since April 2008). I now find out that if you purchase Office 2007 between April and September 2010 you get a free copy of Office 2010. Obviously, Microsoft is not concerned with keeping loyal customers.The organization is very short-sighted, as I am sure many Microsoft customers will be feeling really peeved at the cavalier way in which they are overlooked.

Perhaps it would be a good idean for all prevously loyal Microsoft customers to change to Softmaker. The software is Office and Open Office compatible, simple to use and very much cheaper that Office.
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by smilin:) April 1, 2010 12:08 PM PDT
*** are you talking about? Really I don't understand your words?

You purchased a product in 2008 and now the 2010 version is releasing. What is it you want? You think that you should get a free upgrade too? I mean you've gotten over two years of use out of your existing product and it's going to continue to work fine for years to come.
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by monkeyfun14 April 1, 2010 12:11 PM PDT
Uhm hello they do this because they don't want to slight people who just went out and bought Office 07 with Office 2010 a few months away.

How is this not concerned about keeping loyal customers tell me.

"They should screw their customers right oh you bought the old version 2 months before the new version oh too bad"
by fudbuster77 April 1, 2010 2:18 PM PDT
I'm with you, Anita!

I took my 2008 MacBookPro down to the Apple store and they REFUSED to give me a free new MacBookPro. They even refused to give me a discount on a new one because I already owned the previous model.

The NERVE of them!

But wait, that's not all! I went to get my car's gas filled up at Chevron and I told them that I had bought gas last week and it worked great, and that I expected them to fill my tank this week for free. And you know what they said? Well, I can't repeat it here without violating the TOS for CNET, but let's just say there was a lot of laughing going on.

I can't believe a company would be so crass- so *selfish* to not want to give away their products to me free because I bought an earlier version. It's simply not acceptable behavior today.

I won't even tell you about Hardee's..... *shudder*
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by SergeM256 April 1, 2010 5:23 PM PDT
Sometimes returning/loyal customer gets some discount, sometimes not. There are things such as preferred cards in grocery stores that give 5-10% discount and cost nothing. Sometimes upgrade may cost less than buying a new version. Obviously, you should not expect to buy something once and have a free refill for the rest of your life.
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by deniceels April 2, 2010 2:13 AM PDT
Oh wait, I just bought the house 2 years ago, don't I get a new one free? Sigh.... if this goes, how about saying, why not give us the subsequent products, appliances, applications free then? or Since your staff has been paid for the past 2 years, why not ask them work for you for free subequently?
by macman1138 April 1, 2010 11:27 AM PDT
No thank you! I will use Office 2008 until whenever and I plan to upgrade to iWork and iLife every other year.
Apple gives me more of what I want in software and Microsoft gives me what it wants me to have.
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by douggdangger April 1, 2010 11:36 AM PDT
"No thank you! I will use Office 2008 until whenever and I plan to upgrade to iWork and iLife every other year."

Why not dump Office now? If it's so horrible why prolong your "misery"?


"Apple gives me more of what I want in software"

That's fine if all you want is 3 software.


"Microsoft gives me what it wants me to have."

I think you meant the other way around. When was the last time Apple gave you choices? Apple users basically are given what Steve Jobs WANTS you to have.
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by picomos April 1, 2010 11:48 AM PDT
"Apple gives me more of what I want in software and Microsoft gives me what it wants me to have."

I didn't realize Apple takes request of software features and updates. Since you have apple's ear can you please ask them to add flash to the iphone and while you are at it tell them to stop adding bunch of useless crap to each itune revision they release.

thanks
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by badmojo42 April 1, 2010 12:23 PM PDT
You do know that Microsoft and Apple work together to make Office 2008. It is not Microsoft who is giving you what it thinks you want. That would be Apple who it giving you what it wants you to have.
by heygeo April 1, 2010 1:33 PM PDT
LOL... so based on "what you want" i've deduced that you are either a highschool student or just someone who wastes time on their computer.
by fudbuster77 April 1, 2010 2:21 PM PDT
"Microsoft gives me what it wants me to have."

Um, this is exactly what Apple does now. Just look at the iPhone. They choose what you can and cannot have on the product.

Look at the desktop/laptop line- again, they choose what OS you are permitted to use.

And you know what? That's fine with me, because for the most part, what Apple has decided I want *IS* what I want. And when there are things that I want that Apple had decided that I am not permitted, then that's why I have a dual boot system and can load up Windows on the other partition. Heck, I can use the Ubuntu box under the desk for even more freedom.

It's all about choices.
by Anita090 April 1, 2010 11:27 AM PDT
I am thoroughly fed up with Microsoft. I have had Office 1997/2000/2003 and Office Professional 2007 (this edition since April 2008). I now find out that if you purchase Office 2007 between April and September 2010 you get a free copy of Office 2010. Obviously, Microsoft's not concerned with keeping loyal customers.The organization is very short-sighted, as I am sure many Microsoft customers will be feeling really peeved at the cavalier way in which they are overlooked.

Perhaps it would be a good idea for all prevously loyal Microsoft customers to change to Softmaker. The software is Office and Open Office compatible, simple to use and very much cheaper that Office.
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by smilin:) April 1, 2010 1:57 PM PDT
Your duplicate post is as dumb as your first
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by gggg sssss April 1, 2010 8:36 PM PDT
still does not compute
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by brian.lee April 1, 2010 11:31 AM PDT
Whatever happened to Microsoft Works?
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by Random_Walk April 1, 2010 12:37 PM PDT
"Whatever happened to Microsoft Works?"

1) it doesn't. ;)
2) they deprecated it a couple of years ago.
by Renegade Knight April 1, 2010 11:38 AM PDT
Office Starter is a good idea. However they need to expand it to let anyone download it and install it. Not just have it as an OEM bloatware option. If they are going to compete against free, their "free" product needs to be easy to get.
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by douggdangger April 1, 2010 11:41 AM PDT
"by ddesy April 1, 2010 11:31 AM PDT
Gee, a knee jerk anti-Obama reaction. What a surprise."

Gee, a liberal Obama brown nose that wants things that companies produce to be GIVEN to them for FREE, hating Microsoft what a surprise.


"Microsoft has a near monopoly on office software. Why? Because they refuse to join in on working with open standards."

That's their choice. I hate where Saab cars put their ignition keys, I don't buy their cars. You don't like it, don't buy it.


"Office 2007 also started setting the default file format to something incompatible with existing Office versions without the use of conversion software."

You can CHANGE that format to be compatible. You're an ignoramus.

You don't like something, don't buy it.
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by gggg sssss April 1, 2010 8:37 PM PDT
Microsoft has a near monopoly on office software. Why?

Because everything else is crap
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by bpw60010 April 4, 2010 9:08 PM PDT
You sound like so many other hate-mongering stuffed shirt Repuglican'ts.

Get a clue. Nothing from Microsoft is free.
by Xenite227 April 1, 2010 11:43 AM PDT
Bleh why bother? OpenOffice has everything I need and no string are BS attached.
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by heygeo April 1, 2010 1:37 PM PDT
now if it actually worked....
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by gggg sssss April 1, 2010 8:38 PM PDT
you could probably get by with notepad.exe I am guessing
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by zeroplane April 1, 2010 11:47 AM PDT
Frankly I feel that Office has been bloatware for 11 years now. I have started installing open office for all of my friends and personal computers. I can open most documents from Office users and it is more easy to work on local copies of file and upload the documents to Google docs.

Office 2007 really turned me off with the whole ribbon interface. It didn't make my user experience easier, rather it required me to learn how to get to features.

So far Open Office + Google Docs = Win.
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by heygeo April 1, 2010 1:36 PM PDT
the fact that now you have to deal with:

1. incompatibility
2. open office to create the content
3. google docs to use them

as opposed to using a single product sure seems like thats a winner to me ;p
your argument that learning the ribbon was so hard that you prefered to learn 2 totally different interfaces instead was easier?! i mean listen to yourself.
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by spitbucket April 1, 2010 1:58 PM PDT
Wow! heygeo is the new n3dt3v MS shill?
by jessiethe3rd April 6, 2010 12:02 PM PDT
Quite honestly - you are saying Office is bloated and then you turn around and say OpenOffice is not? Are you kidding me? OpenOffice is a resource Woohore! That thing sucks up more processes then a 10 cent h00ker. I'm just being honest here - I ran it and for all the complaining on Office "bloat" OpenOffice takes the cake. Add to that you need a mail reader standalone in Thunderbird with a different interface and more connections to learn (and it sucks when working with Exchange backend - it's not even in the same ballpark.) Sure for the TinkerBells who love to fiddly do with getting their computer to run and trying to go the extra mile for free OpenOffice is a great alternative. For those who want to run things like 100,000+ row spreadsheets, get an excellent grammer/speller checker, resize, edit and modify images in-line to the app, and get a similar user interface with ONE unique skill set to learn Office wins and is worth the extra buckage.

Doing something productive? Need a standard? Want a simplied user interface? Want integration across the "stack" (App to Server backend?)

Office

Want to tinker and fiddle to get what you want? Enjoy spending time messing with software to make it work? Enjoy having your computer slow down to a snails crawl? Enjoy trying to get things to actually work together?

OpenOffice
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