(cache) Sony To Charge Everyone For PSN Subscription?

ffrulez
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:28:36 PM
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Is this an early April Fools joke?

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Deadman
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:43:58 PM

I hope so. I kind of think the removal of the install other OS announcement might be a joke too.

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Xra897
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:56:27 PM

It sounds like they're turning it into Xboxlive, witch is why I don't have an XBOX BUT A PS3 INSTEAD

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:06:30 PM

Can't be, it's way too early.

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NiteKrawler
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:16:49 PM

I'm thinking the translation is off. The quote says the premium service won't be optional, and then they say the premium service will be "available" 3rd quarter for everyone to enjoy. It doesn't flow very well...I'm thinking the 60-80 dollars is for premium service and the regular service will remain free.

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mackid1993
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:29:50 PM

It totally is. Why would Kaz Hirai talk to a Dutch site? He would probably talk about this with Engadget or Kotaku. I think this is a April fools joke. Also free access to the network is one of the main selling points. Why would they take one of the biggest advantages over the Xbox away? This article is BS.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:43:09 PM

"we are forced to charge a subscription fee to all PSN users, instead of offering Premium services as an optional subscription."

Seems pretty cut and dry, but I hope it is a mistranslation.

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godsman
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:38:50 PM

*point* APRIL....

wait no it's probably real...

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fluffer nutter
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:10:36 AM

April Fools! Ha ha ha.

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Shams
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:01:56 AM

And besides, April fools is neither a Japanese tradition, nor a Dutch one, if I'm not mistaken. Nor is it a benign prank that can be demystified easily after being played.

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Lazytrappin
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:31:36 AM

There's no way in Hell that I'm paying a subscription when that is one of the main reasons I have a PS3 vs. having an Xbox. If I'm forced to buy any subscription, I will be signing up for Xbox Live just because Sony did this. We will see what happens and we will see if I will be buying an Xbox 360 as well.

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faraga
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:05:30 AM

@ Shams
April fools is a Dutch tradition as well. I can know as I am Dutch myself. Also, I'd love to read the original article but when I click on it it only sais "April Fools' Day" (with a link to a wikipedia article) and, in Dutch, "return to PS3clan.nl".

Last edited by faraga on 3/30/2010 7:05:59 AM

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FullmetalX10
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:47:34 AM

Probably, you shouldn't trust Dutch people, I know, since I am myself, you can trust me though and maybe a couple of hundred others..., just not the rest, they're just not sophisticated enough (and vote for xbox)

Edit, yeah just clicked the link, dam my people... for causing such confusion on my favorite website, no really, 330 sumthin comments, I think that's the most I've seen, probably.

Last edited by FullmetalX10 on 3/30/2010 7:49:40 AM

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Ergi
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 8:27:07 AM

Definitely April's fools, click on the link. Ah, already mentioned, thank god though. Got my heart racing for a while.

Last edited by Ergi on 3/30/2010 8:29:13 AM

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mackid1993
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 8:38:56 AM

Well that was scary.

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rcrodgers
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 9:08:01 AM

I'm pretty sure that this is an April Fool's Day joke, along with the removal of the other OS option... Sony would effectively alienate more than 90% of it's customer base by charging for PSN access, and I doubt more than 25-40% of the existing customer base would subscribe to something that had been free for years. They wouldn't generate enough profit for this to make any business sense. But, I've been wrong before...

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 10:04:28 AM

The removal of the OtherOS is true, and I know the reason why. Frankly all 10 Linux users will be upset, but everyone else needs to know that the removal of OtherOS was not done for the hell of it. There are good reasons that ultimately help keep the costs of games down.

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TheCrazyMerc
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 11:13:55 AM

No, no, no! Whoever wrote this should get stabbed in the face, its not funny!

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bridgera
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 11:56:03 AM

"but everyone else needs to know that the removal of OtherOS was not done for the hell of it."

That is irrevelant, I bought the PS3 partly because of linux support. It is completely unethical for a company to remove key features like that after purchase.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:51:16 PM

@bridgera

Well in that case, your beef is with the nit-wit that tried hacking the hypervisor in OtherOS mode. Sony has always said that they will take whatever action needed to protect the PS3 and PSN against hacking. The EULA you agree to actually contains language that specifically allows Sony to modify the firmware in this manner to protect the security of the PS3 and PSN.

If Linux is of major importance to you, don't update your firmware, your PS3 continues to work the only difference is that you will not be able to access the PSN. The PSN is Sony's network, and only authorized devices are allowed to connect. Authorized devices have to meet strict criteria in order to maintain network security. The removal of OtherOS from PS3s is less about restricting you as it is about protecting the PSN and all the users of PSN. The firmware update is not mandatory, if you skip it the impact is that your PS3 is no longer able to log into the PSN.

Folks, this is what happens when someone tries to mess with the PS3. The PS3 remains secure, but someone tried to open up the security a bit. If OtherOS mode remains and someone does manage to find a way to boot a compromised PS3 into game mode, then the PSN would be compromised. Sony can't allow that, nor would I want them to. PSN hosts financial transactions, and Sony knows this and has a responsibility to maintain the security of the transactions. If someone was trying to break into a bank, we would expect the bank to stop them.

But again, if Linux is so important, you have to choose between PSN access and Linux. I'm sorry if you don't like the choice, but this is what happens when folks start trying to break in.

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bridgera
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:06:56 PM

"Well in that case, your beef is with the nit-wit that tried hacking the hypervisor in OtherOS mode."

No, my beef is with Sony, for penalizing everyone for the actions of 1 guy, rather than actually make a solution that doesn't penalize the legit users.

"The EULA you agree to...."

Also irrelevant. A EULA can contain anything at all and is not binding. A major misconception of a EULA, is that people think it's binding, it's not. I still have rights as a consumer reguardless of any terms in a EULA.

"If Linux is of major importance to you, don't update your firmware.... [then you won't be able to use]PSN."

If I choose that, now I can't play games like Warhawk and MAG. Either way, I loose functionality of the $500 device I purchased, which is a scumbag move to do to anyone after the sale.

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Who_KilledMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:35:07 PM

bridgera
Sony is not penalizing anyone, they are protecting us. It's not a punishment, it sounds like it's security messures that need to be taken. It's not like they're placing a dunce cap on our heads and placing us in a corner;)

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bridgera
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:50:56 PM

Don't see how denying me access to the linux partition on my PS3 ISN'T a penalty.

"they are protecting us"

Explain how denying me access to Linux "protects" me.

I would say it does nothing of the sort, other than to deny me access.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:59:07 PM

Bridgera,

OtherOS mode presents a potential security hole that could compromise the PS3 security and via that compromise the PSN security is also threatened. That is the threat. Sony is preventing PS3s with Linux capability from accessing the PSN, that is the effect of this firmware. You update you keep PSN and lose Linux, you don't update and you keep Linux but yore PS3 isn't a threat.

Sorry, for the vast majority of people this move protects their private information and financial information on PSN, that is Sony's responsibility over and above maintaining Linux support.

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bridgera
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 5:01:17 PM

You are under the impression that PSN is only hackable via a Linux PS3 with current firmware?

If I can hack PSN via a Linux PS3, this update does NOTHING to prevent that.

"Sony's responsibility over and above maintaining Linux support."

Sony doesn't, and I don't *think* ever has, supported Linux. They allowed for installing of "Other OS". I expect that feature to continue to be available.

You may think it's okay for any company to disable any feature after you purchase a product.

I do not think that's okay. If it says "play on PSN" "option to install other OS" on the box, or in advertisements, or promotionals, I had better be able to use all those options.

You don't have to agree with me on that, you are entitled to your opinion.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 6:29:44 PM

@Bridgera,

No of course it's not. But a compromised PS3 that can connect to the PSN is akin to having at least one of the keys to the front door of the house you want to burgle. A compromised PS3 on the network is a security compromise, I didn't say it's the only one (nor did I say it was necessarily running Linux). but you know what, Sony doesn't have control over the rest of the devices that can attempt to get into PSN, but it sure does have control over the PS3.

Sony has in fact supported Linux, merely offering the Other OS option and sponsoring Yellow Dog Linux is sufficient evidence of that.

As I said, you would be better directing your anger at the cause of this change, not the change itself, or Sony.

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shadowpal2
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 6:37:23 PM

OH MY GOD...BEN...YOU GOT ME SO FUCKING GOOD. Oh jesus - I honestly was to the point where I thought that the awesome Sony just got as low as M$!

But honestly now I can't help but laugh! It was a good joke - I loved it.

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bridgera
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:20:39 PM

Actually, I was curious myself. Just pulled this from my PS3 manual:

"Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCE) does not develop or directly support a version of Linux for the PS3™ system"

By support, what is meant is to directly develop for and release software updates for. I would also be able to call them with infomation about how to use Linux. I don't *think* they ever did any of that. Offering OtherOS in and of itself, isn't considered Linux support.

You are correct about them promoting Linux and alternate opporating systems.

Any network, website, PSN, internet, whatever, is prone to hacking. That doesn't mean we disable operating systems on all computers. That means we find ways to make those networks more secure. There are a lot of ways to do that, Sony ignored all of it by going this route.

"you would be better directing your anger at the cause of this change, not the change itself, or Sony."

I disagree with you here. Sony is responsible for disabling features after sale, not Geohot. It is their responsiblity (or problem) to handle people like Geohot, without disabling advertised features after product sale for all users.

Altneratively, if they really had no other option, it is their responsiblity to settle with their customers, not go about it the way they are now.

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Techy
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:52:12 PM

First it was the trophies now this. How do you spell copy cat. Next we'll have TRROD.

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rell
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:41:35 PM
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idk about this I haven't seen it official on ps blog.com

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Deadman
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:42:21 PM
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$60 to $80 a year? There is nothing the PSN could offer worth that much.

God I'm still cringing at the fact I spent $50 on 14 months for LIVE. But Those free trials got me hooked on Last.FM and discless Netflix.

Last edited by Deadman on 3/29/2010 9:42:45 PM

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Sweedie
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:42:52 PM
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I will never pay for an online service. Sony has repeatedly said they won't charge for PSN, so if this is true then I won't play online nor download content anymore, simple as that. I pay enough as it is, 600 bucks for the PS3, $60 per game, internet connection, $1000 for a TV, and extra for the add-on content I want to download.
Sorry Sony, but I think this will bite you in the a$$ if it's true.

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Qubex
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:58:22 PM

Yes, if that happens I am out of the Sony world.. sorry guys.

I will take my future money and invest in an "open" PC gaming rig and then get what I want for it. But I won't, will definitely not, pay a yearly subscription to Sony.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Phoelix
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:10:29 PM

Yes. Absolutely.

This isn't really even a funny joke if it is one.

Sony will lose my membership to PSN if they do this; part of the reason I have one is because online is free.

We should consider a mass protest on their blog.

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godsman
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:42:13 PM

Seriously, I will definitely pull the wireless off from my PS3 if it's mandatory. I just play offline single player games only then. If they start charging $60 a year, they better make it up somewhere else, like MASSIVE pricecut in hardware or online games.

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IronFace2
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 6:35:42 AM

Agree. Im out of Sony World aswell. Thats just not right. I dont need no premium pack. I just want to play online for free.

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Sweedie
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 8:24:04 AM

I hate April Fools... especially when it's two days early... BUT! I'm very happy this wasn't true!

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giant123
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:45:13 PM

uhm looks like we all agree with that thumbs up............ and sony if you make up pay. i quit.

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King James
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:43:09 PM
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I don't think I wanna pay for PSN.

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jor_anbu
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:47:21 PM
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This better be a joke!!! Seriously!!!

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Scarecrow
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:47:43 PM
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This is sad news for EVERY gamer out there...

Better be an April fool's joke

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Victor321
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:51:33 PM
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I do not want to pay for the PSN. This will severely hurt its image if it has to be paid for, and very few people would pay, I can tell by just by looking at the (soon to be many) PSX members here, for starters.

It would also contradict the PS3's message of "it only does everything"...as free online is a staple in the PS3's many features.

First non-PS2 B/C (for most of us, I know it still exists), the removal of Linux, and now charging PSN?

What's next, mandatory installations for every game =*(?

Last edited by Victor321 on 3/29/2010 9:54:15 PM

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GamingBuddha
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:51:34 PM
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This would just be a step backwards for Sony if they followed through with it. I know many people who bought the PS3 simply because of the free online play. If that feature was removed, and PSN started to cost even MORE than XBL, that would only detract people from their own product.

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geovanwitdakick
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:56:07 PM
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Not many people would have paid for the optional service anyways. & with those people not paying for the service, why would the rest of the people get it? Part of the 60-80 fee is for cross-game chat, which they wouldn't use to the fullest extent if not all of their friends have the optional service.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:26:25 PM

Easy solution, come up with something else worth paying for and give the geeks their cross game chat for free.

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Kowhoho
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:30:29 PM

I would pay for cloud storage of my data.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:33:22 PM

There you go.

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Nlayer
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:56:23 PM
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I will not pay that much a year. I made that mistake with Xbox Live, won't be doing it for the PS3. I barely use any online features besides downloading demos and occasionally playing online every now and again. I can easily just unhook my system from the internet without it effecting me, I am not tied to it.

However, if they promise free content with the subscription then I might consider. Like content that premium users would only get, and not just Home material. If they give the premium users free content for games, such as DLC, then I will consider paying.

I cannot believe Sony would do this to it's gaming community. Although from a business standpoint, I guess it does make sense. Although I am very unhappy about it, I am a Sony fanboy because they usually listen to the gamers. I hope they don't go the Microsoft way.

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BlackBriar
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:56:49 PM
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I don't think it's going to happen, People will choose if they want to pay or not.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:57:02 PM
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I won't pay it. I'll stop playing online. Simple as that. If Sony wants to do this, they can go ahead, but they will lose a customer.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:09:47 PM

Well they won't lose a customer, but a lot of online traffic for sure.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:13:38 PM

I spend money on PSN. Guilty pleasure. Ha. I won't pay twice for the content they offer. Sub fee then the cost of the DLC or PS1 classics? No thanks. I buy PS1 Classics when they're good but no more if this is true.

FFIX better come before this unwanted change takes place, Square will lose a sale too.

Also those who don't want to pay would lose Netflix streaming too. I already pay for Netflix, LIVE people are paying twice for movie streaming. Guess I'd have to get me a streaming disc for my Wii. :)

Last edited by Jawknee on 3/29/2010 10:20:03 PM

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Sunni_Boi
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 9:58:17 PM
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Damn Sony.........I Really Dont Know What 2 Say. I Feel Lyk My Gurlfriend Just Told Me She Cheated On Me.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:10:18 PM

I feel like she just told me she sucked 37 d*cks. 37!?

Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 3/29/2010 10:19:03 PM

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Kowhoho
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:27:59 PM

Man, I heard that guy had like, 30 goddamn d*cks. (Washington)

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Qwarktast1c
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:40:16 PM

@ Kowhoho

he once held an opponent's wife's hand in a jar of acid.... at a party...

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Kowhoho
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:49:39 PM

So glad you know what I'm talking about, quark! I knew somebody would...

He killed his sensei in a duel and he never said why! *teardrop*

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:21:06 PM

No one gets mine?

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main_event05
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:43:42 PM

@ world.
in a row??

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BTNwarrior
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:07:43 AM

its a quote from clerks right?

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Sunni_Boi
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:12:42 AM

Hahaha yall wild

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:20:44 AM

THANK you.

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main_event05
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:40:20 AM

its kinda funny how sunni was talking about his gf, then worlds joins the convo with no mention of his own gf.

lol, i'm sure he didn't mean nothing of it. but still very funny.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:07:32 AM

Well, I wasn't talking about mine ;)

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Qwarktast1c
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 9:02:03 AM

@ Kowhoho

Got a whig for his whig, got a brain for his heart

He'll kick you apart! He'll kick you apart!! OOHH!!

lol that video is amazing

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Dridion
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:00:25 PM
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WOW $60 to $80 is pretty hard to swallow. Than again that's only $5-$7 a month. It's still disappointing that they said one thing and are doing the exact opposite...*cough*, hypocrites, *couch*. Guess they have their head in their ass or in they sky after seeing GoW3 sales. I'm just praying they keep their integrity but at the end of the day it is a business. Still I wont pay either.

Last edited by Dridion on 3/29/2010 10:01:27 PM

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B-RadGfromOV
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:39:16 AM

lol, you said HARD to SWALLOW. Funny guy.

Yeah, Sony can suck 37 d*cks for this one.
No more online play for me I guess :/

Not that I play online much anyway.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:01:54 PM
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No thanks, I'm done with online for good. Pitchforks and torches anyone?

Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 3/29/2010 10:02:59 PM

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Kowhoho
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:06:21 PM

Sign me up. I'll not stand for this!

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Snicket
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:08:38 PM

Indeed!

This news, if true, is the worst thing to come out from Sony's mouth.

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Canuck Pride
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:58:54 PM

This is indeed a punch in the face... If this is true, I'll Sell my ps3 and stick to Steam on my PC... Sony just lost a fan...

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Bromus398
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:11:40 AM

Most definitely joining the mob. *Rabble, Rabble, Rabble*

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brighat1971
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:05:06 PM
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Part of me sees this as a betrayal, part of me sees this as Sony putting on its pants just like everybody else and part of me sees this as nothing but an April's Fool joke. We'll see.

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Scarecrow
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:05:41 PM
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cross-game is such a meaningless feature

It's so moronic for people to be talking s*** when they're not even playing the same game

If people are so bored that they need to talk with someone playing ANOTHER game 24/7 why not get Skype? It's free and easy to set up

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Sophist
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:41:13 AM

What a pathetic comment.

I regularly use cross game chat on my xbox, it's one of the best features of Xbox live.

While I play one game my friends can be playing something else but we can still talk about how each others day went at work, what our plans for the weekend are etc etc you get the point; regular people call that a social life.

According to you though I'm a moron for having such a thing. Grow up...

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Maya Buttreeks
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:09:03 PM
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Depends if this new "Premium" suscription blasts a pleasant surprise on us. I hope so.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:11:51 PM
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That pretty much kills MAG.

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Kowhoho
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:26:00 PM

And the chances are low that I could sell it to anybody...

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:35:08 PM

Yup, I was going to buy MAG but not if this happens.

Last edited by Jawknee on 3/29/2010 10:36:25 PM

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:38:20 PM

Going off that logic... I can't see this announcement being anything close to true, unless they plan on leaving only online gaming and psn shopping for free.

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Qubex
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:25:25 AM

Yhea, I don't think MAG has even come close to selling a million copies worldwide!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Jed
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:15:56 PM
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I find myself looking back at the reverse comparability when I thought "oh no, of course they won't drop that. They invented it and it is only a plus for gamers." And then they did it.

I pray to god that this is a misinterpritation. How could Sony go back on the biggest promise they made to all of us time and again. I feel betrayed even feeling that this could be possible. I swear if this is a joke I will call you bad names Ben. (I wanted to say I'd rip you a new one, but from what I've heard about you I would most likely the one getting ripped.)

I'm so disappointed. I need some time to cry.

But seriousley, I can already feel the collective anger of all PS3 owners. I don't think Sony could possibly make a decision worse than this.

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charfan
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:23:48 PM
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"With the new Playstation "Move" controller you can soon "move" into deeper holes of online videogame debt!"

Man, my Warhawk/Killzone 2 days could be numbered...

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oldmike
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:30:34 PM
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this cant be right i call it rummer on this ben

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:31:42 PM
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Hey Ben remember my email about 2 months ago... I was unconvinced then and still unconvinced now but at the same time I need something to quell the bad feeling I have in my stomach

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:34:13 PM

Do share. Not all of us are Ben.

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:41:35 PM

sorry, I'll see if I can dig it up somewhere

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:46:17 PM

I Wrote:
Hey Ben, Hope all is well. I hate to ask this but have you heard of any rumors about the PSN charging for online pay in June? I'm not talking about those annoying chain letters... I heard this from my local Play N Trade who I am very friendly with the owners but I feel they have to be mistaken.

They claim their Corp. HQ told them they need to start carrying PSN cards because of that but I think she might have heard wrong and they really meant this as a preparation for the premium service coming out in Feb. Anyway have you heard any other nasty rumors like this from any decently reliable source. I can't imagine this being true especially with all the articles that reassure us that Sony cares and they always plan to keep it free. Anyway have a good one and keep up the awesome work.
Thanks,
-laxpro2001

Ben responded:

All I can tell you is what Sony has said, and they've repeated many times that they will NOT charge for online play. In fact, one of the directors of the PSN, Susan Panico, once said they consider it a "human right" to play online for free.

At the same time, it's inevitable that a premium service of some kind is coming (likely with multiple package options), which is why the retailers will start receiving more PSN cards. I will not say for certain that Sony will never charge for online play, but I doubt it'll happen. The premium services are in the works and those of course will be optional.

Sincerely,
Ben S. Dutka
Editor-in-Chief, PSX Extreme

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:52:47 PM

ha. I thought you had a link to another article. Thanks though.

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:55:10 PM

no problem bud

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Canuck Pride
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:04:02 PM

well that covers it right there... this has to be false... Either that or sony is just playing the role of a corporation... Fu***ng us left, right and center...

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:13:26 PM

The f***ing part is optional.

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:13:36 PM

I think it is false, but at the same time we won't know anything until we hear more news, so its best we relax until then.

Also for anyone that reads the email that was back in mid Jan I believe

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:18:43 PM

@Jawnkee
HAHA

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moneybag
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:34:32 PM
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R U GUYS F$KING KIDDING ME. I PAID 800 DOLLARS ON MY PS3. 360 PEOPLE PAID AT THE MOST 500 DOLLARS. THEY PLAY 60 DOLLARS A YEAR FOR LIVE AND THAT IS ABOUT $560.00 FOR THE SYSTEM AND LIVE. I PAID 800 DOLLARS MUCH MORE THEN THE 360 WAS AND KNOW I HAVE TO PAY FOR ONLINE. BUT THE WORST THING IS THE ONLINE IS MORE THEN THE 360 IS. WHAT THE F$CK

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:36:03 PM

I might have read your post, but.....

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bigrailer19
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:53:56 PM

... I couldn't!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:22:30 PM

If you paid $800 you got jacked.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:28:54 PM

Turn the Caps Lock OFF. Don't do that again.

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ffrulez
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:37:59 AM

If he paid $800 it must mean hes from either NZ or Australia

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:36:54 PM
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My above conversation with Jawk makes me wonder, will they let us reach the store online for free to download demos and pay for content, but just charge to play? Hmmm...

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COD_death
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:37:49 PM
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I have Two PS3's and each have a few accounts on them. So does that mean I have to pay $100's for all the account or for the two ps3. This is BS, Sony is just starting to make gains against MS, if they do this the will lose me and many other's. This is just like a Bill Gates thing. F'em all

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bigrailer19
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:39:29 PM
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I bought my PS3 for a few reasons. and one of them was the free online service. Ill admit i dont buy a ton of stuff from the PSN but i love to browse it. but my point is Sony has always said it'll be free. Heck it's even a selling point, and they put it on the box and on the xmb.

They can't really start charging without making people angry. Sure its only $60-$80, but that on top of the internet, and throw in netflix, its still $60-$80 more than usual, and that much more we never expected to pay, a reason why i dont own a 360 as well. Most the games i want for the 360 would be played online, and i dont see paying for live.

anyways im not gonna say i wont pay for it, cus i do like the network regardless if i buy alot. But I wont like handing that money over i'll say that!

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 3/29/2010 10:39:44 PM

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XxNoir
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:40:50 PM
Reply

.....Well this is akward....

*Walks out pretending i didn't see what i just saw*

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Kowhoho
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:57:41 PM

HEY, WHOA, you ever heard of knockin'?

o_0

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SvenMD
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:42:32 AM

The sock dude! I had the sock on the door!!! C'mon!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:45:06 PM
Reply

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:47:58 PM

Wow world, despite potentially horrible news, you still managed to make me laugh.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:40:03 PM

Literary allusions are my specialty :)

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Qubex
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:24:13 AM

Lol World!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Alienange
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:46:15 PM
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Is it us that has been taken by a joke, or was it Ben who was taken by a joke? Hard to say at this point...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:56:45 PM

Maybe in that part of the world it IS April Fools day.

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ffrulez
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:36:06 AM

Lol no, NZ has the fastest timezone in the world, and it's only Tuesday here.

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Geobaldi
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:48:06 PM
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Seeing as how I don't go online with my PS3 anyway this has no affect on me. But yeah I can see how everybody else would be upset with this.

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:49:22 PM

what games do you play that you don't use online ever?

Nice avatar btw

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Geobaldi
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:16:37 PM

All of them. I play online with my PC. I just never bothered to hook up the net to my consoles.

And thanks, the avatar is from 3D Dot Game Heroes. My pick as the sleeper hit of the year so far.

Last edited by Geobaldi on 3/29/2010 11:17:42 PM

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:22:39 PM

ah, but what about games like demon souls?
EDIT: aka exclusives that aren't on the pc but have an online component.

and yea 3D dot game heroes would be a day one buy for me if I was home and not studying abroad... can't wait though, SO MUCH NOSTALGIA

Last edited by laxpro2001 on 3/29/2010 11:24:54 PM

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Geobaldi
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:00:19 AM

Don't have Demon Souls. Doesn't appeal to me. I would like to try the NHL and MLB The Show games online though.

I preordered my copy of Heroes. Just gotta wait another month now :(

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Bugzbunny109
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:48:28 PM
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It's a joke............right? If it isn't, no more PSN for me. One of the main reasons I bought this console was not to have to pay for online. But I am certain this is a joke; Ben even threw in a clue in there for us: $80 is crazy and we all know that! Why would Sony first say that their network is going to remain free and then charge 80 FREAKIN DOLLARS A YEAR??! It makes no sense.... What's even more suspicious is Ben agreeing with the "mandatory subscription". If it was actually true, Ben would certainly oppose it, not defend it. It's an early April fools trick, don't fall for it guys.

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NeoHumpty
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:49:45 PM
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No way. If they would offer the premium for a subscription, I may have done it. I don't play online enough to justify it. But why would they offer a "premium" service for free? Sounds fishy. I spend plenty enough on PSN as it is, and I can't imagine that Sony is that strapped for cash. Well, we'll see, I guess.

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:50:20 PM
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Wait... just to clarify that price isn't in US dollars is it?

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TheHighlander
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:52:51 PM
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I'm gonna go on record as saying that Sony will absolutely not charge for online play or basic network services.

They will charge for other services, but Sony executives at levels higher than Kaz have re-iterated several times that the access and online play is free and will remain free.

This is either a very poor translation, or a very poor job by Kaz Hirai or a pretty stupid hoax. Either way until I see *official* comment from Sony, I will ignore it as stupid Internet chatter. Good god, they only just finished advertising campaigns that used the free online as a plus feature for the PS3.

Ben, I am really surprised you guys would run this without checking it with Sony first. You have to know the kind of crapstorm this will stir up. You can see it already happening in this comment section.

As for anyone reading this far into the comments, please stop and think before you jump to a conclusion.

Last edited by TheHighlander on 3/29/2010 10:54:24 PM

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:56:18 PM

I agree with you 100% Highlander

And just wait before jumping to a conclusion... we won't know anything until we hear some new news.

Last edited by laxpro2001 on 3/29/2010 10:57:31 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:58:28 PM

I maintain it is April Fools day in that part of the world, this is a mistranslation, or an Xbot hoax. :)

Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 3/29/2010 10:58:56 PM

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bigrailer19
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:59:37 PM

I hoe your right. Id say its a very horrible april fools joke but were still in march!

This is as you said the type of article that stirs up so much controversy that makes the industry almost intolerable.

Ill be upset with PSN if i have to pay as i said earlier for numerous reasons, but regardless i really enjoy it and maybe with a few more "premium" add ons it could be worth the pretty penny.

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 3/29/2010 11:00:13 PM

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Qubex
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:59:48 PM

I think you are right Highlander, nevertheless, the article upset me... it is a bad joke by those dutch gaming people.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:01:24 PM

Maybe they are just bad a playing April fools jokes in that part of the world.

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Kowhoho
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:01:39 PM

I can go to sleep with some real closure now. Thanks Highlander and goodnight everybody! Don't get too crazy about this, I'm sure this'll all blow over soon and we can all forget about it! :D

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:07:31 PM

wait you guys are serious about April fools... it can't be there because NZ is the first country to see the new day and right now its 5:00 p.m. on March 30th. Sorry

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Qubex
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:26:33 AM

Lol Laxpro2001, I will be in NZ next week :)

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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laxpro2001
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 5:11:44 AM

Sweet as! In Auckland or someplace else and for how long? Starting thursday I'll be touring the South Island for about 10 days as we have break for like 2 weeks.

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Alienange
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:53:02 PM
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I can hardly believe the idea of paying to play online exists and that people actually believe the paid service is better than the free. It's been free on PCs for years and it's just fine. Paying for the service doesn't make it better all of a sudden... I'm certain Sony sees that.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:27:22 PM

You're actually using the PC platform in a positive manner, wow....next you're going to tell me you own HL2 and a gaming mouse.

Consoles are lesser versions of a true gaming PC, people that choose consoles over PCs should know this and accept that certain things FREE on the PC side aren't so free on consoles.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:22:25 AM

but there's no reason they shouldn't be LV

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dlte
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:56:40 PM
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that would be a horrible idea.

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Mamills
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:57:48 PM
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if this turns out to be true,

then im going back to pc gaming

fu** paying to get access to play online.

that was one of the main reasons i got a PS3 over XBOX.

Ebay shall get my PS3(BC)

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 3/29/2010 11:29:40 PM

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Qubex
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:02:20 PM

Yes... I feel similarly, I will just get a very nice PC rig with 2 mean SLI GT480 cards from NVidia - welcome to the Fermi world... and she runs hot too :)

Sony will destroy their gaming user base like this...

Funny, M$ wanting a slimmer XBox with PS3 type features all in the same box, and Sony want to emulate XBox Live paid-for features.

Incredible... they are both moving to the centre line...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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NeoHumpty
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:09:08 PM

I'd hate to see the momentum PS3 would lose. I would also be looking for a PC for future gaming needs. Honestly, this was the main deciding factor on why I went with Sony over MS to begin with. Come on, Ben. Let us all know it's a joke now.

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SvenMD
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:45:58 AM

You know, PS3 games have single player campaigns too...you don't have to sell the thing on eBay just cause there is talk of paying money for online.

Are you just gonna miss out on games like GOW III and Uncharted??

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Ogibillm
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 10:59:52 PM
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might we still be able to play online for free? perhaps free online play and a charge for access to store items and extra features?

of course that only makes sense if the store items are lowered in price...

i'm also inclined that a japanese to dutch to english translation may have lost something along the line

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:00:25 PM
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"Release the Kraken."

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Qubex
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:03:20 PM

They may be wanting to charge to make a service like "Home" pay for itself... maybe bandwidth costs are killing the whole deal... who knows.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:11:09 AM

Are you kidding me? They have 8 million plus return visitors to Home and judging by the number of costumes I see in Home a lot of people are buying a lot of $0.49 and $0.99 items for their avatars. That stuff adds up - quickly.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:11:25 AM

Huh? I just thought it was time to release the Kraken.

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SvenMD
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:47:51 AM

Have you noticed that EVERYONE has a Kraken now? And why do they always have to RELEASE the Kraken like they had it locked up somewhere....you can't lock that big arse thing up!

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XxNoir
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:02:26 PM
Reply

@Bigrailer19

Who you callin a hoe!?

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Bugzbunny109
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:17:41 PM

Lol I was gonna say that!

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Bugzbunny109
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:02:47 PM
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fook-a yooh Sony!!!! XD

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Qubex
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:04:23 PM

Naaaaaaahhhh, what's up doc?

*crunch*CrUnCh*crunch*

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 3/29/2010 11:04:37 PM

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Bugzbunny109
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:07:31 PM

I am hunting wabbits lol.... you?

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XxNoir
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:09:36 PM

Duck season....no?

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Bugzbunny109
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:19:53 PM

No, not time for that yet; I need some wabbit feet for good luck :)

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:33:53 AM

fook-a-yooh doll-phens and fook-a-yooh whells!!!

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Snicket
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:04:44 PM
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The more I think about it the more I think that PS3Clan is making this up.

April Fools Joke=Fail

Last edited by Snicket on 3/29/2010 11:05:25 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:06:56 PM
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This would pretty much kill LBP and ModNation Racers too.

Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 3/29/2010 11:07:21 PM

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:11:17 PM

which further demonstrates why its so easy to agree with highlander

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NeoHumpty
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:13:45 PM

Didn't even have time to think of those, yet. I'm calling BS on this story.

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timmy_88
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:08:19 PM
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I went to the site and copy-pasted the statement to google translator, it mentioned nothing about the $60 - $80 price.

Either I messed up or somebody is just tryin to make people unhappy.

By the way, I'm new... Hi.

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NeoHumpty
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:10:46 PM

Hi, timmy. Welcome aboard. I won't be following much ps3 news if this happens. I'll miss you. lol.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:23:22 PM

Tim-Timmay!

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:54:35 AM

Hey sexy.

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puchi
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:09:07 PM
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If thats true...then it's simple, thats the day i buy a xbox360 and use my ps3 just for exclusives

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:15:57 PM

That makes no sense. You would be mad at paying $60-80 a year so you go out and spend $300 on an Xbox then $50 for Live?

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:18:10 PM

LOL great comment Jawk.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:25:38 PM

Ha

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:57:13 PM

Yes, but look how angry and yet confident his avatar looks. I dunno fellas, I for one believe he will do just what he says.

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AcidReign91
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:09:15 PM
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This better be a joke. I only went with a PS3 because it was free to play online. All my friends have xbox 360s so I can't play modern warfare 2 with them, but the free network makes it worth it. If this is true, I guess i won't be playing multiplayer games anymore. Gotta sell Killzone, Uncharted 2, and Modern Warfare 2 then. Oh well. :(

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SvenMD
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:50:56 AM

Again, why would you sell games that have AMAZING single player campaigns, like KZ and uncharted?

Last edited by SvenMD on 3/30/2010 7:51:13 AM

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:10:13 PM
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IMO even though I don't see this happening, if they were to force us to pay, then what if they took the money we had to pay and gave it us as credit we had to use in the psn before it expired a year later?

I end up spending a bunch in the PSN regardless so it wouldn't affect me too much

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:10:31 PM
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I don't have a problem paying to use the PSN.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:24:50 PM

A fee would bring us new features and possibly a better PSN, but charging to play games online? That like paying your ISP then paying Valve to play Left4Dead. Double dipping no?

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:14:10 AM

I do pay Valve, I buy their product.

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:31:59 AM

And that's the problem. lol.

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Qubex
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:29:30 AM

Come on LV, limit yourself and don't pay Valve anymore... :)

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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ADAM WEST
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:10:44 PM
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Let's wait for something official before we light the torches and ready the pitch forks.

My guess is that there will be a premium and free service. I hardly play online games anyway, but if this does happen, I will ONLY play RPGs from now on. And if action and adventure games don't make it past the 20 hour mark, then I'll be buying them used.

Last edited by ADAM WEST on 3/29/2010 11:11:18 PM

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:11:58 PM

what about demon souls?

EDIT: also what about uncharted 2?

Last edited by laxpro2001 on 3/29/2010 11:14:13 PM

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ADAM WEST
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:28:10 AM

Beat both already. Good point.

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timmy_88
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:17:37 PM
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Seems kind of wierd, no other game sites picked this up. Yet

Seems fishy.

Last edited by timmy_88 on 3/29/2010 11:23:07 PM

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Bugzbunny109
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:18:20 PM
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Oh no it's true! *Jumps out window* lol

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Zemus101
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:21:09 PM
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Wow, so many comments already but um ..I'm sure all of this has been said above, but I really don't see this happening. I don't care what was translated, the majority of people don't read these sites or keep up with gaming news. To just have all of them lose their PSN including friends list, Home, PS Store, web access etc overnight (whenever it's released or w/e) is just nonesense. Everyone I know that has a PS3 is mostly casualesque and would be shocked to know they will lose these features. If we hear it officially (in english) in the next few days ..it's an April fools joke.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:28:38 PM

It's fun to go batshit crazy sometimes though.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:31:01 PM

World get JC2 so there will be a 3rd one, thanks.

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:31:46 PM

batshit crazy is my favorite kind of crazy

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:35:01 PM

A third what now? You pay half.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:38:51 PM

F you, F you and your butt.

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Zemus101
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:39:37 PM

I do want to say one thing though. I would like to pay for a psn service from Sony, but not out of necessity because I would lose my current service, or because we all would stop getting demo's (even if Sony says our content will remain the same, we would notice a quiet drop off of content most likely) but because we would get new features that would enhance our experience that "feel" like they would be worth an extra $50 a year. I'm not sure what type of features exactly, but something that is completely new to us (forget cross game chat) that make me feel like it's a must have feature that would make gaming even 'more' fun.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:58:27 PM

What happens to our download list of we chose not to pay? Hmmmmm.....

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:23:54 PM
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You guys are cheap asses. You pay $60 for games that almost always cost $20 cheaper on PCs. You spend who knows how much on DLC (honestly how many of you bought that RE5 DLC?) but heaven forbid Sony chooses to charge you for using their service that currently offers quite a bit.

I've loved every gaming product Sony has produced and I'll gladly help support them by dishing out a few dollars each year. I'm hoping this news is TRUE, I see it as a step in the right direction and a way of expanding the PSN content available to us.

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:28:08 PM

wow limited take it easy. yea everyone is getting out of hand but I think it's only because it comes as a shock (even though we have no confirmation).

It's not that I don't think it's worth paying for, it's just that free online was a staple selling point for the console but even if I had to pay I'd be a little disgruntled but I'd still get it.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:29:02 PM

Dammit! You have a point!

I went from hell no! To wait n' see in less then 2 hours. I still think they should at least offer online for free.

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NeoHumpty
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:31:12 PM

No. Heaven forbid they rip the main reason they talked me into going ps3 away from me. Honestly, I would have went with Xbox because it is American. But I liked the idea that Sony was offering free online stuff. Yes, I spent $40 last week on the PSN on things I decided I wanted. There should always be a free offering that includes all I bought the system for. Give me a choice, and I may upgrade, depending on what you're offering. Heck, I bought Core for a year as worthless as that was. Sony needs to know that you can't advertise something to sell units, then change it up once you have your placements. It's called "Bait and Switch" and it's illegal for a reason.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:37:59 PM

"I would have went with Xbox because it is American"

I don't know what's worse. You choosing a gaming platform mainly on the cost of its online service, buying an electronic device on the belief it's "American", or you're belief that anything from MS is American.

Based on your reasoning I deem you a traitor and I'm offended to know you exist.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:45:40 PM

How does it suck balls?

A few + about PC Gaming...

-Better Graphics than consoles
-Cheaper games
-FREE DLC
-MODS
-Can be played with a controller and TV just like a console.
-Affordable upgrading of hardware
-No limitations

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Jawknee
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:56:55 PM

If I ever get a PC for gaming, I'll want your help. Counter Strike from my couch? Awesome.

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:18:47 AM

LV;
You somehow like being on the other side of everyone's opinion. Why is that? lol.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:23:17 AM

lol, I deleted my comment because it wasn't directly below yours and it busted up your rhythm.

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:29:07 AM

Lol, thanks xD

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:32:55 AM

@Death

That's not always the case. I honestly feel quite passionate about this topic. I feel that Sony is losing out on a ton of money by offering the PSN as a free service and that it's hurting their gaming division. I think we can all help make the PSN a better service by forking over a few dollars every year.

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:39:47 AM

LV:
So, we fork over even more money after paying for their games at $60 a piece, buying premium themes and PSN games, downloading demos that LEAD to us BUYING their disc based and PSN games, buying content on Home, buying and renting movies...the list goes on and on. So you would like to take all those things you can buy to help support Sony, and then slam a fee that you are FORCED to pay in order to get into the PSN and buy optional games, videos, and other content, as well download Demos that were free to try in the first place? It sounds to me like you're spoiled rich. Just because you may be rolling in piles of money doesn't mean we are. All the users of PSN already pay Sony loads of cash for a LOT of media, and you're all for paying to pay for that media? Listen to this again..."Paying to PAY!!" Makes you really sound like a snobby little rich kid, lol.

Last edited by DeathOfChaos on 3/30/2010 12:40:38 AM

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:51:40 AM

I'm not a kid nor am I rich. I'm smart with my money and I view the PSN as a free service I currently use that could benefit from more revenue. I trust Sony to make the right choices when it comes to charging their consumers, I don't see why you lack so much faith in the Sony brand.

All the options you listed are currently offered for free, obviously I'm expecting far more content if they're going to want $60-80 from me.

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:59:15 AM

So buying and renting movies, full PSN games, and disc based games are offered for free on PSN? Please, guide me toward that light, and I will indulge myself in the sweet sweet addiction of free stuff. =D

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:12:48 AM

It's pretty obvious I was referring to users having the ability to access such media for free and than choose to purchase them or not.

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:34:39 AM

LV:
"All the options you listed are currently offered for free, obviously I'm expecting far more content if they're going to want $60-80 from me."

That seems pretty obviously to me that all that I said, in your words, was free in general.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:19:36 AM

Congrats, you've demonstrated you can take my words out of context!

Keep up the good work, I'm not going to continue to explain the obvious to someone that continues to refuse.

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spiderboi
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:33:50 AM

Sorry but while I'm also smart with my money, currently I still don't earn enough. I usually only buy 2nd-hand games (sorry devs, publishers) coz i don't have it in my budget to pay twice as much for a game. If this is gnna be true, then this s*cks a** :(

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main_event05
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:59:53 AM

There is one last thing they can try before they charge for the PSN.

The can sale ad space.

I've yet to see a single ad other than games that i already own.

Also i kinda agree with LV, just a little.

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coyo18
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:25:50 PM
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3 problems with this

1: More than 1/2 the PSN population will get pissed and change systems (especially those with more than one account...me included)
2: The PS3 system will drop in both sales and value
3: The PSN store will die almost instantly due to lack of sales

Make an optional premium acc. with special add-ons, demos, and stuff that wont be released to the rest of the free users for a few more months or something like that.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:29:52 PM

1. More than half? I smell a false prophet.
2. Why would it drop in value, when more is being offered for a reasonable fee.
3. Instantly? See 1.

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:29:58 PM

really, wow can you explain to me how you surveyed that many PSN users.

also so since my brother and I have multiple accounts do we have to change systems even if we don't want to?

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NeoHumpty
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:40:21 PM

I'm onboard. I'd certainly boycott for it. But I still don't think Sony is dumb enough to test it.

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:41:14 PM

oh gee limited I wonder who thumbed us down while thumbing themselves up just because we didn't agree with them?

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:43:03 PM

Haha, ya...geee... I wonder!

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:43:53 AM

Neohumpty,
<<<<<I would have went with Xbox because it is American>>>>>

Microsoft may be American, but they are the most UN-AMERICAN company in the USA.

And they're not only a disgrace to Americans with their shady business practices & flawed products, they should also be run out of our country by pitchforks & torches........or rabid pitbull's.

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SvenMD
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:58:10 AM

"1: More than 1/2 the PSN population will get pissed and change systems (especially those with more than one account...me included)"

#1) Don't ever speak for me, or any other PSN user. Just speak for yourself.
#2) Why would anyone change systems, when the only other comparable system ALREADY CHARGES FOR ONLINE??!?!
#3) Sorry, but you're a complete idiot.

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NeoHumpty
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 8:11:39 AM

Ok, let me clarify. Years ago when I was comparing the two new systems on the block, Xbox had the most American roots. Yes, I do believe in supporting your country's products if you have the chance. Which is saying a lot since game-wise I mainly prefer JRPG. I'm not building up anything for Xbox, just stating that PS3 only really won me over by a SMALL margin. Free online play was one of the biggest factors.

PS. I didn't thumb myself up.

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Snaaaake
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:28:30 PM
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Sony is not very smart that's for sure, but they're not stupid enough to charge us for PSN, free online was one of the main reason I upgraded to PS3.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:30:47 PM
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Everyone should bear two things in mind:

1. This is not an April Fool's joke. Not on the part of PSXE, anyway.

2. We're not reporting this as fact. It's only on what the source says...if they're lying or the translation is off, we'll let you know.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:32:22 PM

Please tell me it's true, I want more content and I'll gladly pay for it. If anything this might weed out some annoying minors.

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:34:00 PM

hey ben maybe you should put your post as an update on top too so all the people coming here don't post like mad men thinking its real... kind of like what already has happened a little bit.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:35:42 PM

He doesn't need to, the headline has a question mark in it.

Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 3/29/2010 11:35:51 PM

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laxpro2001
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:37:16 PM

yea... i guess its just the fault of the people who refuse to read the whole article.

my apologies

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Solaris Knight
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:31:20 PM
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I've heard rumors about this for the past 3 months. I think this would have been a viable move for Sony had the APOCALYPS3 fiasco not occurred. Their handling of that situation hurt their PR cred with a lot of people I know. People can say that the two issues are completely unrelated but they are consumer relations wise. How would Sony handle a PSN outage with paid subscribers? Would they correspond through tweets like they did with the APOCALYPS3? Would they reimburse you the days that the servers were down? It would be folly if Sony decides this late in a console cycle to charge for what most consider an inferior online experience. I definitely believe it would dissapate all momentum that they have gained in the past 8 months.

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Bromus398
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:18:24 AM

APOCALYPS3 had nothing to do directly with the PSN. Most of the PR criticisms on that were irrelevant. Really, it was more gaming sites posting outdated information and highlighting the exaggerated claims of a PSN crash (which it wasn't) and never updating their information, or doing so exceedingly late and not putting nearly much emphasis on the actual problem. I downloaded PSN games on my PSP without the network missing a beat.

A set back. Yes. Particularly relevant. Not so much.

That said, I'd be pissed if they tried to charge for PSN - by which i mean, done playing online (which i don't do much anyway).

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Robochic
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:34:34 PM
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If I have to pay to play or even access PSN then I'm out for sure and trust me I'm a loyal Sony fan but this would just throw me over the edge.

I pay alot just for the internet so I get a great connection and have no lag between my husband playing WOW and me on PSN.

Sony listen to the fans we don't want this and this could be the fall of the PS3 if you're not smart about it. LBP, Modnation ect.. Would loose so much money think twice before doing the unthinkable.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:39:36 PM

I'm a fan and I want it...and I pay a lot for my internet too.

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Zemus101
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:44:36 PM

Yeah, but LV, you want it forced upon you? This should obviously be a choice. I believe average PS3 consumers are easily adults, or at least young-adults. But what about those that aren't? They won't be able to pay for this, either due to no money or no credit card. It would only hurt Sony, and it would be immediately apparent with much lower psn sales in all departments. Not everyone would pay for this service obviously. I believe it would be closer to hardly anyone.

Last edited by Zemus101 on 3/29/2010 11:45:55 PM

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:49:10 PM

I see your point. I think anyone that owns a PS3 and uses the PSN has been "living off of Sony" long enough. I think it's foolish to think the PSN will always remain free, it's a goldmine that Sony could use to boost its revenue and give back to the community even better services.

While I think everyone should have to pay for the service regardless of content they use I think the basic cost per year should be significantly lower than LIVE.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:51:03 PM

I plan on sponging off Sony for as long as I can. I'm a sponge.

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Zemus101
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:12:06 AM

...sponge

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:16:03 AM

LV;
...what the hell?

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G8GTdriver
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:35:57 AM

I have to agree, I don't think I'd sign up. The amount of time I have to dedicate to gaming doesn't warrant ANY additional fees. If I played more often I might feel differently.

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Banky A
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:44:55 PM
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I'll cut to the chase...

If this is real, then..
WTF Sony you stupid group of fools. Go to Hell.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:49:54 PM

Cheap ass...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, March 29, 2010 @ 11:58:14 PM

CheapAssGamer Dot Com?

Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 3/29/2010 11:58:33 PM

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Leemo19
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:01:27 AM
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you charge everybody Sony for online your going to lose so many supportive customers seriously will. your probably lose sells and 60-80 dollars isn't worth it, unless I'm really getting something for my wallet that's better than xbl offers. which brings up they charge everybody and xbox fanboys will eat up these sh** like crazy saying you have to pay now haha etc etc. Sony you do understand people like how its free to play online, it will suck having to go online only knowing you cant play with your friends now cause you have to pay. its the reason i don't play xbl really only get the 1 month thing ever so often. hate i have to pay to play a game online were i just spent 60 dollars on the game now going to pay way more just to play it online screw that. i don't care if have to pay for etc feats like if home had a fee, or using cross game chat when ever psn gets it, etc. charge everything for all i care as long as i can play my game online free im happy camper.

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eloquentrave
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:01:41 AM
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How do you spell death-nell, again?

With how many $$$?

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Mell
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:06:32 AM
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This isn't the best of news. I actually checked the date to see if it was a poor joke.

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BTNwarrior
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:13:32 AM
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A move like this would make the ps3's lifespan seem like that of any legendary band from the 70's, They start out kind of slow and then they release a few outstanding albums, after their name gets big though they either break up due to a greedy singer, die in one big airplane crash, or just whore out their band till no one cares because all their new albums are made only to cash in on their name.

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:14:25 AM
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If Sony does this, then we'll just have 2 XBoxes. I hope that if this happens, they lose a lot of money and get rid of the fee before they go bankrupt. Really, Sony, if you think this is smart, you're the most idiotic company in the world. But still, I wont believe this until it happens. Besides, I'm getting games to play for the story anyway, so it really wont hurt me much. But it's the fact that they're taking something like that way...it's gonna kill them, and I think they might deserve it if they force the price down people's throats.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:18:16 AM

360's demise has far more to do with their choice of hardware, not their online fee. The PS3 will be just fine, even if the PSN costs something. Just don't go to Wendy's for a month.

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:27:08 AM

Lol, I barley ever eat out at restaurants. And you trailed away from what I said. I guess I have to spell it out for you: I said that I hope the PSN forced premium will fail so that they will not force you to pay for it. end of story, lol.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:29:50 AM

I hope it flourishes so you have to pay for it.

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:43:15 AM

I wont pay for it, because I'll be busy playing real games that don't need internet, lol. Games with story and progression, rather than playing pointlessly for hours (practically any game online with a few exceptions)

Last edited by DeathOfChaos on 3/30/2010 12:44:55 AM

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:46:03 AM

We must have a lot of the same games in common. I too use consoles for SP more than MP. I'm anxiously waiting for FFXIV though after trying out WKC and enjoying questing online with fellow RPGers.

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:56:02 AM

I'm talking about Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Kingdom Hearts III, Heavy Rain, God of War III, Dante's Inferno...hell, I've got Final Fantasy Chronicles. I'll pop Chrono Trigger into my PS3 and play that game all over again. Get every ending like I did so long ago...

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:10:27 AM

KH3 better actually be GOOD unlike the 2nd one and Versus is looking to be an action RPG which isn't really my cup of tea. JustCause2 is looking to be the most addictive/mindless fun offered thus far this generation. I'm several hours into the game and the amount of things to do and the size of the world is enormous.

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:25:25 AM

The second Kingdom Hearts was awesome, it was better than the 1st. And Versus XIII is going to be even better. Yeah, being able to explore rather than run in a strait path is just too much for you. And Just Cause 2, I downloaded that demo and got bored after like 3-5 minutes. lol. It's big...but you shoot stuff and flail things around. I'll go play the Bionic Commando game, lol.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:38:18 AM

WTF are you talking about. I beat KH2 without even using magic, what was the required age for that game, 10?

I've been playing RPGs since the late 80s, don't even try to imply open word gaming is beyond my scope. Do you own every FF game in brand new condition locked away in a glass case?

Versus is going to be even better? I love how you make absurd assumptions based on almost ZERO information. Using your logic FFXXIV is not going to be as good as FFXXIII.

JustCause2 is simply shooting and "flailing" things around...eh? Then I guess every movie ever made is just a script and a camera. Admitting that you put at most 5minutes into a game and then having the nerve to describe it as if you know anything about it is hilarious.

Kudos on attempting to knock my gaming ability.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:42:30 AM

Bionic Commando was terrible.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:55:17 AM

Ya it was, I wouldn't be surprised if Death played it for 3minutes and loved it.

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Geobaldi
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:51:01 AM

Yeah the new Bionic Commando sucked, but Bionic Commando Reloaded was fun.

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laxpro2001
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:10:47 AM

@Limited
Yea my biggest gripe with the second one was the magic system... total garbage

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TES37
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:18:01 AM
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So far I see nothing worth paying for. It's not like they don't already make enough money off of me as it is . I will not pay for the option to look at what Sony is selling when I can do it for free at Amazon or Best Buy. Talk about a good way to hurt sales.

Last edited by TES37 on 3/30/2010 12:19:39 AM

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Charger7302
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:50:00 AM

"So far I see nothing worth paying for." Agree with you there buddy.
You know, I can already see SCEA telling us that Playstation Home is worth the price of the proposed subrcription.

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TES37
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:23:00 AM

Speaking of Home. They're making a killing off of virtual items that cost almost nothing to create.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:43:07 AM

Yup, a dollar plus for a couch none of my friends will ever sit on.

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TES37
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:51:26 AM

And no borrowing a friend's shirt if you pass out on the floor and wake up the next day with food and drink stains on your clothes.

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Mell
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:18:53 AM
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I think our strong reactions come from the fact they pretty much made a promise it would remain free. Well it seemed like a promise.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:25:25 AM

True story, I still have my promise ring.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:34:18 AM

They never promised it would ALWAYS be free.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:39:37 AM

actually they pretty much did.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:43:25 AM

"actually they pretty much did"

So they didn't? lol...

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TES37
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:43:33 AM

Usually when you pay a cover charge you get the option to buy drinks as well.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:46:47 AM

"Usually"

So you don't?

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:51:03 AM

I remember them saying something along the lines of 'We will never charge PSN customers for online connectivity.' It was somewhere along those lines.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:52:43 AM

"It was somewhere along those lines."

So they didn't?

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TES37
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:54:49 AM

You 'actually' have to manage to keep from being cut-off before getting the first one ordered. I won a bet with a friend in a situation like that. I bet $5 I could get cut-off before having one drink and won by calling the bartender a tarbender.

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:56:58 AM

LV:
Fail for repeating yourself, lol.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:05:28 AM

I'm not repeating myself. I'm simply replying with an obvious statement pointing at the flaws in your responses. Don't suggest an absolute thing than back it up with doubtful words.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:06:30 AM

@Tes

That's a pretty funny story. I've noticed as long as you tip the bartender quite well they will never refuse you service.

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TES37
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:07:09 AM

There's no failure happening with LV.

In a debate class, LV would be whipping almost everyone's *ss.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:17:05 AM

@LV the words "shall remain free" were in fact uttered in regard to all the currently free services of PSN. The words were uttered by more than one Sony person, I believe Howard Stringer has said something along those lines, Kaz (reported in English without bogus translation problems) and other spokes-critters from SCEA and SCEE have also said identical or similar things in the base. They have advertised the PS3 with free online as a virtue and mocked the opposition for charging. Is that good enough for you?

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:24:13 AM

Coming from you, yes, that is good enough. You've never let me down.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:44:20 AM

LOL! Thank you for your faith, although people might as well believe in the tooth fairy as I have no inside knowledge or connection with Sony. I just call it as I see it. When Sony was rumored to be removing the BC in the original PS3 models, I said time and again that I thought it was a suicidally stupid move by Sony. I still think it was. I think it slowed adoption of the PS3. But here we are with 35 million or so units sold, so I guess I can be right, and they can too. But I was wrong, Sony did remove the BC, and I was completely convinced on the basis of logic and common sense that they would not remove it.

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SvenMD
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 8:07:14 AM

HA - LV I disagreed with almost everything you said here, but your quoted rebuttals were phenomenal!!!

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:25:16 AM
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I just tried searching for some news on this being true. This is the newest info I could find on the subject, and nowhere in the article does it say anything about having to be forced to pay for the PSN. I honestly think that the source is an XBot who is jealous that eh has to pay for his XBL service and us PSN users get to do what he does for free.

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/03/20/tretton-says-premium-psn-service-would-be-justified/

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Geobaldi
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:03:04 AM

There are multiple websites that are now reporting that a fee is forthcoming.

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:10:23 AM

Geobaldi;
I search it up and only look through latest dates, and the latest dates are either in Oct, Nov, and Dec of '09 and some occasional articles dates March 20th of this year, which the one I posted was one of those. None of them say the PSN will be required to pay to play online, except for the old ones which are all just speculations.

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Charger7302
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:42:10 AM
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I wouldn't mind paying 40 or 50 bucks, but in no way am I spending $60-80 dollers just to play a game, that I already payed for, with my psn friends.

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Qubex
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:30:39 AM

Only way is to use your PS3 is for the single player campaign experiences only.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 3/30/2010 1:30:57 AM

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Mamills
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:58:06 AM
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this should be a poll on this site.

make sure you have an option to sell the ps3

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:04:41 AM

That would be good. If this is real, then maybe it could reach Sony and they'd be like 'Oh, crap. Maybe we should rethink this..." Seriously, though.

Last edited by DeathOfChaos on 3/30/2010 1:05:11 AM

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:13:47 AM

Please don't ruin my fun.

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:20:28 AM

LV:
No matter how much you may love paying extra money for content that you already pay for, it's still going to negatively impact the PS3 in so many ways...

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:24:15 AM

I never said I enjoyed paying for services I already get for free. You CLEARLY haven't read a single thing I've written; other than "Sony", "Pay", "Poop".

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DeathOfChaos
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:44:32 AM

LV:
You're all over this commenting about how you can't wait to pay for all the things that that we can already access free, but now you say you don't like it. Make up your mind.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:51:13 AM

Actually, you're wrong...AGAIN.

I'm all for a PSN that costs us money due to the potential growth which in turn benefits us consumers. If anyone can justify charging people for a service it's Sony. They've never failed me yet when it comes to videogames or technology. I've continued to express this thought, evidently you've continued to ignore it and make your own false assumption on what I like. You've demonstrated this before, I'm not surprised.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:56:04 AM

No one likes to pay for things they have been getting for free. Almost like an entitlement program, but LV is correct. If we want PSN to grow, small fee might be necessary. =/

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SmokeyPSD
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:14:29 AM
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Fuck OFF. I'm certainly not paying SHIT for a mandatory fee after they've taken away other OS support. This surely can't be true aswell. Sony Ur respect level from me has gone from a 100, to -20 in the space of a couple of freaking days.

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OriginalSin
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:24:44 AM
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Well if this is true or not I can't really say. But if they do charge for it it won't really bother me that much never really used PSN that much anyway. Mainly because of how expensive bandwidth in our country and also the lack thereof so to speak.

But people that now all of a sudden get their panties in a knot and saying they will ditch PS3 if that happen should grow the h3ll up.

So you are willing to give up on the Uncharted 2's, Heavy Rain's and GOWIII's just like that? Well fine go get an Xbox then and pay $50 per year for online anyway.

You seem to somehow forget that Sony untill recently never made a profit on any of their consoles made... They lost for years on any profit just to give us the PS3 as cheap as possible. I think the least we can do is support them when they need us now.

If they have to charge so they can give a great service and give us the best online experience possible then I am willing to support them. Even if means paying $5-$8 per month.

I mean EA wants to charge $15 per demo now but yet Sony charging $60-$80 a year is an issue???

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:28:24 AM

I'd worship you if I didn't already know god was dead.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:28:41 AM
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Lets see if we can pass 300 before day light.

:)

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:39:02 AM

I've got enough Irish Coffee and a paper to write to insure that happens, ha.

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TES37
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:40:07 AM

We could make this the last stand. Only I don't want to dine in hell. I hear all they have on the menu is a rotting corpse.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:52:03 AM

Everything on the menu in hell gives me heart burn.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:54:39 AM

If you want Hell just go to any Denny's in the LA area.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:56:46 AM

Ha been there. Many times.

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Xzer0
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:38:18 AM
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It´s an april fools joke and its not early, because I know other sites did the same thing in last year. And if we think logically about Gow III mp dlc news(which is not true) then it is definetly a joke. And Sony is having a good fiscal year and they do no need to charge for psn. It is not logical. If it is oficcialy why on playstation official site is no info about it.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:41:43 AM

Either way it makes for good conversation and shows people's true sides.

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___________
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:01:38 AM

huh it is on the US PSN Blog.
its not a april fools joke, if it was they would not of posted it on their official forums its stirred quite a ruckus and sony are going to get a bad reputation off this.
not that they ever had a good one!
year of the playstation my a$$ actually no thats probably right, the year the playstation crashed and burned!
out of all the companies i would of expected sony to be the last to do this.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:25:43 AM

I just checked the US blog no name. There's no announcement of a PSN sub fee. If there was Google News would be lighting up like a Christmas tree.

If you have a link, do share.

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aaronisbla
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 5:28:23 AM

______ why don't you shut the fu** up sometimes and stop posting sh** that ain't true? the US PSN blog hasn't reported on this story

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:49:24 AM
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Okay, after contemplating this for a bit, i think a fee would be a net benefit for all of us in the long run. Under 4 conditions.

1. It has to be cheaper the LIVE.
2. Those who don't wish to pay should still free access to online play.
3. Those who don't wish to pay should still have access the their download history.
4. Those who don;t wish to pay should still be able to access their Netflix streaming.

If those conditions can be met along with what ever new goodies Sony pull's out of the bag...I'd pay. >.<"

Last edited by Jawknee on 3/30/2010 1:55:31 AM

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:53:53 AM

I'm fine with 2 and 3. I have a problem with 1.

The premium fee IMO has to be more than what LIVE currently costs to justify enough additions to appease me.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:58:08 AM

Wait, I'm confused, so will there be two options to chose from like the Gold and Silver memberships? is that where they got $60 and $80?

I was thinking they were just ball parking the fee over all.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:01:33 AM

Based on this article I was under the belief that there would be 2 different fees. A base fee for using the PSN and a more expensive fee for using premium services.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:08:58 AM

Ah, in that case i agree.

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___________
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:59:02 AM
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huh isent it funny how there minds are so easily and quickly changed?
i remember just after E3 i think it was last year jack was asked since the ps3 had a price drop will they be removing any features like they did previously with the USB ports to cover the costs, and suggested maybe the other OS feature would be removed.
than jack replied nothing will ever be taken out of the system from now on, were focusing on adding features not removing them.
than here they are not even 6 months later and good bye linux!

even BC.
father ken kicked up such a stink and really stuck it into the competitors when the ps3 first released, than they remove it like its no big deal.

and now with PSN.
ever since the ps3 released sony have been adiment and always hammered in PSN would be free, like it was federal law or something.
and now they are changing it.

ive said it once, twice, 3 times and ill say it again.
the day sony charge me for acsess to internet i already paid for is the day my ps3 goes on ebay.

i absolutley hate society these days, companies have become so fu**ing greedy its not funny.
making enough cash to buy a bently is no longer enough, now they need enough to buy 4 of them.
soon they will be charging us a small fee if we want to save our games, or a small fee to power the bloody system on.
i already paid for my ps3, i already paid for my internet, so i should have accsess to every feature advertised.
you can not advertise a feature than remove it, that is called false advertising and is illegal!
some one should take sony to court over this, shame i dont have the time nor money otherwise id be first in line!

what happened to the good old days where customer satisfaction was a companies number 1 priority?
these days companies could not give a royal a$$ about their customers, as long as their wallets are full thats all they care about!

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:03:25 AM

Funny that a majority of GREAT games on the PS3 offer a far more compelling SP experience than MP experience and you're already informing us you'll jump ship regardless of the fee Sony imposes.

BYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:37:49 AM

How about you wait for an actual statement from Sony instead of an auto-translated comment published in Dutch? You know, before you actually take your burning torches and pitchforks and do some damage, it might behoove you to check your facts.

I cannot believe how fast people jump to conclusions on absolutely no actual information these days. It's like the whole health care 'debate' in the US. Regardless of your politics (if any) the health care debate in the US has been dominated by lies, falsehoods and hyperbole that served to whip people up into a frenzy that is so out of proportion to the actual legislation that it's almost laughable. It's so bad that even trying to point this out in a calm manner is enough to get you branded a socialist. I guess stopping and thinking is a socialist trait now? Morons.

People are so willing to believe what they want to believe that any information, no matter how poor or unreliable is taken as the gospel truth and suddenly people are all emotional and irrational and maybe 1 out of 100 stops to think before reacting, the other 99 are chanting slogans and trying to storm the winter palace.

I don't know what the solution to this is, but it's sure as hell a big problem.

For once people, please, stop and think this through, look for the logic, and wait for official comment before reaching for the torches and pitchforks.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:42:45 AM

Highlander go drive down mains street and count how many churches you see then you wont be surprised by this thread.

Last edited by LimitedVertigo on 3/30/2010 2:42:56 AM

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:52:59 AM

I live in the South, in most small towns there are usually more than 20 different Baptist churches, each claiming to be Baptist, but each being segregated from the other, and each having some slightly different view from the other. Each being unable to discuss their differences in a rational manner.

Oh, I'm *more* than aware. The US is going to hell in a hand basket, and if I had to put a reason on it, I would put the collective stupidity and irrational, illogical minds that simply cannot stop for a moments thought before reacting right up at the top of the list. People don't listen, discuss or debate any more. They rant and rave and talk over people. A pity really, a wasted opportunity.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:34:45 AM

I blame MTV.

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:41:57 PM

I blame divorce. And the tv dinner.

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DIsmael85
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:12:36 AM
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My take, it would be a stupid idea, thankfully I'm aware of what time of year this is, and take most gaming news with a grain of salt. At least until April 1st blows over.

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Xzer0
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:16:32 AM
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it is april fool. It is not logical to do that satement when your bussnisse is great and you know you will lose many customers. You guys are bunch of sheeps who will belive all and please be rational not emotional. Is this news are on european official playstation blog or this news are on gamespot or other foreign gaming website? Answer is NO!!

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DIsmael85
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:19:52 AM

I second that.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:20:40 AM

We're all sheep for discussing an article posted by Ben?

FU@K OFF

Oh and if you're going to continue to post on this site I suggest using a language you're familiar with. It's quite clear English is not for you.

Last edited by LimitedVertigo on 3/30/2010 2:21:55 AM

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DIsmael85
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:23:52 AM

I think you misunderstood what he was getting at LV, and this is what he meant by emotional. I also don't think he was directing that at anyone in particular but making a generalization. I would expect a personal of rational thought to come to that conclusion. So in all kindness maybe you should FU@K OFF!

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:27:17 AM

LV's been arguing in favor of the fee, not against. The emotional people Xzer0 is talking about are he ones telling Sony to eat it before we even know if this is true or not. My self included. Although in my case it wasn't emotion. More of a case of being a cheap skate.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:27:35 AM

He called us a bunch of sheep, he can FU@K Off.

Oh and FYI, his attempt at being "polite" was very similar to the ole "No offense but, (insert something offensive)".

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main_event05
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:54:45 AM

LV when u say that whole "no offense" thing, why do i hear Ricky Bobby in my head?

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SvenMD
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 8:19:05 AM

In all due respect, he can fu@k off.

"What? I said it with all due respect!"

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:31:23 AM
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The more I look at this the more I mull it over the more it seems to be a terrible translation from the Google translation and the original article which of course translated Kaz's original remarks in English into Dutch for the Dutch readers. So you have a double translation which immediately renders meaningful automatic translation problematic.

The more I read his quotes the more I get the sens that he was saying that the premium service will be offered as part of PSN and that to get it you pay a fee. However, while we might take that as meaning that the premium service is an extra and everything else remains free. By the time it's been translated into dutch and then auto-translated back to English, the construction of the sentence could easily lead to subtle qualifiers in the language to be lost. Si in stead of the implicit meaning being that premium services are extra, but part of PSN and you only pay for them (the premium services), it comes out sounding like you're saying everyone has to pay and the whole of PSN goes premium.

Apart from anything else, what in heck is the point of calling it premium services if it is in fact the defacto standard service? It's clear from a linguistic point of view that a premium service is extra, over and above the standard. The two are distinct and you pay for the Premium elements.

I don't know, I just do not believe that the translation is accurate, something is definitely being lost in the translation.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:33:55 AM

Wrong or not what I took from it was 2 different fees. One for basic PSN service and another more expensive fee for Premium service.

Given the date and the source it's hardly believable at this point but I'm hoping it's true.

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DIsmael85
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:35:37 AM

Well as read down the page it seemed you were all aboard no matter if it was just one service. That's the impression I got from most of what you typed. You were all or nothing and arguing that people were being cheap if they didn't fork up something Sony should take advantage of. Hmm?

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:38:12 AM

I'm all for Sony charging for PSN service across the board, correct. I've never said otherwise. Having said that, I've also mentioned I believe there is going to be a Premium service that costs more but offers quite a bit of additional service.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:40:15 AM

PSN is a single service. There is only one PSN we currently have premium content and free content. I don't see the problem here, nor do I see any indication that this is a fee to be charged of all PSN users. The language that the translation at google renders is extremely poorly formed and misleading.

I won't comment further about the substance of this until I hear/read something from SCEA, SCEE or SCEI in English.

Last edited by TheHighlander on 3/30/2010 2:40:34 AM

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DIsmael85
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:41:35 AM

And if that is the case, then the core user, who should not be subjected to this "Premium", should retain the "FREE" ability to play their games of choice online and with buddies. It would be a win-win situation for everyone. Which I believe Kaz Hirai spoke off and was made into an article on this website.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:45:02 AM

Hmm...as a PC gamer at heart I agree people should be able to play online for free. But any additional features the PSN offers I feel should require a small fee at least.

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DIsmael85
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:48:26 AM

And they do. To download DLC, you must pay, to download PS1 classics, you must pay, to rent/buy movies, you must pay. I don't see how Sony is losing out on any money, when most of the things we could want on the PSN, we have to pay. Now a Premium that costs up to $80 would have to be a good premium, not just some cross-chat feature and demos before everyone else. I'm talking stuff like you get access to some unlimited stuff, and to keep that, you must pay. It's like getting a Magazine subscription, you pay for a year, and you get the magazines and all it's content with no additional cost. Pay once a year, get all the stuff you want. I say that's pretty fair.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:48:30 AM

OK, look folks, last comment.

PlayStation firmware updates are handled through PSN, PSN has to be free for that. There are a huge number of existing applications that already give free service that would either be rendered useless or require users to pay. Home is free, you only pay for the clothes and the drinks. These are all things that are here now and changing that would be nigh on impossible. The amount of user resistance would be immeasurable. The damage that just this rumor is doing is incredible. There is just no practical way to stuff the genie back in the bottle. Basic services remain free, premium services will be charged by subscription. End of story, until advised otherwise by Sony itself.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 5:13:29 AM

Highlander,
Well, your thinking would go along the same lines with what that earlier PSXE "premium Service" article" also said, which was posted a few months back.

If I can remember it right, it said there would be 3 tiers to the PSN service....

The 1st tier would be just what you already have now, and it would remain free.

The 2nd tier would include some premium services, and it was suggested back then, to be around $69.99.

Then the 3rd tier would include even more/other assorted/ premium content, and be around $89.99.

Now with that said, I DO think(and surely hope) this IS a bad translation too.

But if that does happen, I don't do multi-player modes, so except for missing those free game demos, a few game trailers, & the few trophies I might get that still need syncing up, it would certainly be bye, bye, PSN,

And then I'll just use YouTube to check for all my trailers & game-play demos.

I don't buy Live for my 360, & I'm certainly not going to start paying Sony, especially for what's always forever been advertised as "FREE" content.

Anyways, only time will tell, and we've only got a couple more days to sweat it out, before I know whether to start handing out the torches & pitchforks.

And BTW, EA is another one who can shove their thoughts for any new "Pay for demo's" service right up their ole Moon Pies too.

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DIsmael85
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:31:56 AM
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Well I guess I pulled something different out of it, but like I said: It's that time of year again. I just take gaming news like a grain of salt. I don't think Sony would charge, and honestly if they did, I wouldn't pay for it unless that premium cost including unlimited downloading of all PSN content. $60 - $80 a year would seem pretty fair then. I could watch all movies and play or do whatever I wanted. Otherwise, no I don't think it'll happen. To much invested and to many people who own a PS3 based on the word "FREE". It's only logical that people would say "Hell No" to the PS3 if it's gonna cost them so much to do what is advertised as "Free" already. People aren't stupid. Especially in these times.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:35:03 AM

People buy/rent movies off the PSN. You sure people aren't stupid, especially in these times?

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DIsmael85
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:37:57 AM

Speak for yourself buddy. You act very all mighty with that comment. Maybe you can prove to me otherwise? As I said, if the premium service included "Unlimited" downloads for that fee, which you are so up for, then I'd be as well. You should calm down a bit man, it's the internet. I can understand both points, but they way you are commenting makes you seem like well an ass.

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DIsmael85
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:38:12 AM

Stupid Internet and its making me double-post. Grr!

Last edited by DIsmael85 on 3/30/2010 2:39:54 AM

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:40:42 AM

You're the one that chose to speak for all people by assuming they're not stupid. I offer a pretty simple example that shows otherwise and you get all pissy about it.

BTW I've never said I'm for unlimited downloads, especially not movies.

Oh I see, I disagree with you and offer valid points and I'm an ass. You're a very reasonable person.

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DIsmael85
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:43:50 AM

I don't speak for all, but I speak as a person who worked a lot of retail. People these days spend money on more than just games, and games aren't important. So this coming up would make a lot of people think otherwise. Use logic. I said I was for unlimited downloads, would be fair for me having to pay such a high price. Also, I apologize about the ass thing, but some of your comments seem to portray you in that manner. Again I apologize. Just my opinion.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:47:25 AM

Games are still a rather cheap hobby to have. Just going to the movies with the family can cost $100 on one trip. People blow money in so many ways, to save money they stay home and entertain themselves. A few extra dollars for using the PSN will seem rather fair in a world where people buy DLC already on the disk (RE5).

No harm done, I sometimes come across as a jerk, I won't lie.

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DIsmael85
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:55:09 AM

I agree about the movie thing, which is why I have connections. I understand people all don't have that. Then again going to the movies is supposed to be a fun experience and we all don't do it all the time, only when we want to see something we like. I agree with the on-disc DLC, that is a load of garbage, then again that is the developer doing that to the consumer. This premium could be beneficial to people if it offers some "unlimited" things, especially to those who want to stay at home with their families and be entertained, but I can understand that not everyone is that way, and it can upset some people. When I worked at Gamestop, I would upsell the PS3 because of it's free online gaming feature. The xbox can be very expensive to a customer, and the PS3 is very cost efficient. You get everything in the box and most of all you can play games with family and friends for free. It sold to people very well. This mandatory "premium" would not go over well with a lot of people. Especially those who invested early. Future purchasers will shy away when they get news of a price tag on top of another price tag and you better believe Microsoft would take advantage of that.

Think about it now, they have a 360 core for 199.99 and you can add on to it later. Sure we all know it's scam and it's crappy, but to consumers who can't afford 299.99 immediately it's very appealing. Stacking $80 dollars on top of a 299.99 system will not sit well with people. It just wont.

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Xzer0
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:44:20 AM
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And by the way on 1st april will be new firmware update 3.21 and this news are on european official ps blog.

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DIsmael85
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:45:22 AM

Yeah it was on the US blog as well, but then again, it's April 1st. So I'm sure you already connected that, haha.

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main_event05
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:49:18 AM
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How many people here own multiple consoles? How many of those are Xboxes? How many people pay $50 a year for Live? How many people are gonna pay a total of $130 a year for online gaming?

Wii's online is still free right?

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:51:52 AM

PS3 and Wii.

Owned an Xbox. No longer. Never paid for Live.

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:54:27 PM

How many people have multiple consoles?

Well, if you own an XBOX360, you probably have 3 or 4 of them.

1 that currently works, and 3 broken 360's in the closet. Oh yes, I went there.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:08:34 AM
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OK, look, I know I said no more comments from me, but I wanted to share this with you, hopefully it will help. It shows that as far as SCEA is concerened, what is free, remains free. In fact it's 'key'.

Here are a couple of quotes (no translations required) from Jack Tretton - head honcho of SCEA - in a interview on 3/20/2010

“As far as a subscription service is concerned, we’re very proud of of the offering we have for consumers for free. There is no question if we think we can come up with a compelling experience that will warrant an investment from consumers that’s something that we’d consider, but that its not anything that we have … to announce.”

and when asked about the free service and whether it would remain free, he said;

“No I think that’s the key. We already feel we brought a lot of value to the consumer… but until we feel we have something, like PlayStation Move, that justifies an investment, we aren’t going to come out with half cocked technology or product offerings.”

Here's a link to the original story,

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/03/20/tretton-says-premium-psn-service-would-be-justified/

Good night all.

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laxpro2001
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:16:42 AM

Goodnight Highlander and thanks for your insightfulness (sp?)

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main_event05
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:11:25 AM
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WOOOO!! 3oo comments

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Dridion
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:24:39 AM

LOL I was just gonna say wow over 300 comments. LOL I see we are VERY passionate about our online service. What's more crazy is that this post has only been up for a couple of hours. Good going guys ;)

Last edited by Dridion on 3/30/2010 3:25:23 AM

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hehateme
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:36:21 AM
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i dont mind paying for it.... you guys purchased a top highest quality system out there..... what the heck is 7 bucks a MONTH.... what is that? a extra value meal Large at MCdonalds? come on dont be a cheap you know what.... xbox makes all this money from live... which fund their whole thing they got going on.... think of the improvements they could add if everyone who wanted to play online had to pay 5-7 bucks a month.... and if it means that to stomp all over microsofts "baby" then im all for it!@!

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Ultimadream
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:18:07 AM
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If thats the case i simply wont go online.... end of.

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Akuma07
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:21:04 AM
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Can you provide us with the ACTUAL link for the article?

ORRR is this a PSX Extreme april fools joke? I hope not, im splashing this all over the place.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 5:28:08 AM

@Akuma07,
Huh????
Why would you even want to splash this all over the place way, way, ahead of time???

Especially since you've also read right here that so far, this is only a rumor, a bad translation job, or an A.F.'s joke???

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Xzer0
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 5:12:37 AM
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It reminds me behaviorism test, when somebody do something an other react on it and psychologist do his analys on people reaction. It is really funny how all react on this news differently and most of all reacted emotionally. I thin that Ben must tell us is this a true story or joke. I think it is joke - and a bad one. Too much negative emotions. Jokes must be funny to all.

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RadioHeader
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 5:25:16 AM
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This can't be true. If it WAS, it would mean Highlander was wrong about something and the whole Universe would collapse!

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frylock25
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 5:43:02 AM
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my roommate and i both agreed that we would just shut off the internet. im not payin for online gaming and internet service. i really dont want to see this happen. that would actually ruin my ps3 experiance.

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Richy
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 5:52:59 AM
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hello ...

certainly another April Fool joke like the one for 'remove OtherOS', SONY already commented in the past about 'never' to charge for the actual PSN & 'never' to remove the 'OtherOS' function.

So i'll stick with that & i just hope it's not a vain tentative from the competitors to create doubt in soon to be PS3 owners, using april fool joke as a base...

cheers!

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redman479
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 6:25:12 AM
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Sony just cut their own jugular!!!! What could they possibly offer to justify $60-$80 for a year subscription? I love my Sony products but this cuts deep! I have the money but it could be used to purchase a new game or a few used one's.

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ChronowerX_GT
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 6:40:02 AM
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Just let me play a game online for free. If people want to pay for a premium service and get all the extras then good for them. Sony don't even own all the game servers.

Reduced functionality of the free service would be better. Like no PS home or whatever.

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Gabriel013
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:13:22 AM

I'd much rather get access to services and content online for free and instead have a pay scheme in place for gaming.

I'd rather have both free but if I had to sacrifice one, online multiplayer would be the first out the window.

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0_o
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 6:53:05 AM
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No Way! Period.

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faraga
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 6:59:59 AM
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I clicked the link. It said april fools.

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RadioHeader
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:12:48 AM

Thanks for bringing that to my attention, faraga. Hoaxers have no patience nowadays.

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Maya Buttreeks
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:27:45 AM

SON OF A B-

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RadioHeader
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 8:22:49 AM

If anything, this serves as an extra kick in the teeth for the poor xbots. They may have been thinking it was suddenly an even playing field (everyone gets $hafted). Nope, sorry, just you guys.

...Unless the declaration of the hoax turns out to be a hoax! Is there time for another twist? *checks calendar* Yep, still not April 1st.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:56:03 PM

It's kinda sad that PSN is now arguably better then LIVE and they pay for it.

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JackC8
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:20:31 AM
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First he says they'll be charging everyone a fee, then he says "the full Premium services package will be available to anyone without additional subscription fees." That makes absolutely no sense.

Whatever. I'm sure not paying for it. I played a few hours online the other day and it was like being on a junior high school playground, except everyone was ten times more asinine and childish because it's all anonymous on the network. I'll miss my free demo's a bit, but oh well.

This may change my plans as far as getting a second PS3. I was thinking of getting the 250GB model, but if I won't be able to download movies and TV shows without paying an additional $80 a year just for the privilege of browsing through their inventory, then I guess the 120GB model will do just fine. And it saves me another $80 bucks because I won't have to get that wireless router I was thinking would be so useful. And no more need to download their buggy firmware updates.

Thanks $ony!

Oh wait, when I click on the link to the original article, it says April fools.

Ahem...never mind.

Last edited by JackC8 on 3/30/2010 7:22:48 AM

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:23:42 AM
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Yup, now it says April Fools.
Damned Danes, I hope their dogs shrink down to the size of a floor-hugging Dachshund, and that all their Danish cookies go stale! LOL

Last edited by BikerSaint on 3/30/2010 7:26:10 AM

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 10:08:28 AM

What a bunch of a$$holes. I hope Sony sues their eyebrows off them. That's absolutely BS. April Fools my fat behind. That was pure and simple a hoax and they deserve to be sued. I know one thing, any chance those fools had of getting anything whatsoever from Sony, ever, just flew out the Window.

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phade2blaq
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:24:34 AM
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I sure hope Kaz takes some of that sybscritpion fee money and upgrade the PSN because I get randomly disconnected when playing online !

I also hope they find a way to stop people from disco glitching on games like Madden 10 and NBA 2K10 because it seems everytime I play online and winning someone pulls this stunt on me and I end up with a loss when I should have won the game !

I won't pay any amount of money to be cheated on !

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Aerifale
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:27:10 AM
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I will not be paying for PSN after having it for free. It makes no sense. Making us pay for something we've had free for so long is weird.

I h8 to admit it but from wat i've played i feel lik xboxlive is still better, its just the headset chatting is so much easier and on the PS3 its sorta a clunky add on that hasnt been implemented well and thats always bugged me. Does anyone agree with me on this?

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Maya Buttreeks
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:38:03 AM

Actually click on the link and delete your comment before you look a twat.

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chedison
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 11:36:56 AM

does looking a twat= saying something the ps3 fanboys don't want to hear?

Not saying I agree with him, but there is no reason for a straight up insult.

Last edited by chedison on 3/30/2010 11:37:44 AM

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Milonakis
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:39:04 AM
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This is bull crap. Straight up.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 10:09:56 AM

It's an April Fool. I suggest everyone take the anger and spite directed at Sony in the last 12 hours, bundle it up and hurl it at PS3clan's forum. They made the joke, they deserve the results.

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FullmetalX10
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:55:13 AM
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Probably the most comments I've seen on here until now.
But yeah an April fools joke, and so many damage, I only read through about 10% of the comments, but already I see people sayin scrw Playstation n all, even though it wasn't officially announced, I mean yeah I get it, it would be terrible if the free online would be turned in to mandatory pay, but still people, don't go into one website saying this all of the sudden, especially not round this time of year, just sayin'.

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Karosso
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 8:12:51 AM
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I also heard they will release another "Firmware Downgrade" besides the "NO! Other OS Install", this one will remove BC from all models :(
I Kid I Kid :)
But if this is true, I think Sony just shot themselves in the foot... I don't play enough online to justify paying for it but, I do buy games on the PSN.
Plus, 60 to 80 is way more than what M$ charges, what's up with that $ony??

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 10:17:24 AM

That one is very believable. Removing the OtherOS option would plug a potential security gap while affecting only 10 or so bearded Linux users. It's not like all those PS3 clusters running linux in academic institutions are either significant to Sony's business or interested in updating to the latest firmware.

Last edited by TheHighlander on 3/30/2010 10:17:47 AM

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:54:41 PM

Linux was something i wanted to try but oh well. I have beard do i count as the 11th? ;)

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SvenMD
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 8:24:32 AM
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For the record, let it be known that I made a prediction in the comments section of the PS3 Review of Slider that when Ben came back we would get an article with over 300 comments.

By the way, the world will end in 2015. And yes that WILL be before the release of Half-Life 2: Episode 3.

Thank you.

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gumbi
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 8:31:13 AM
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Haha, April Fools. Good one Ben... you got me all fired up for a moment there.

Click the "PS3Clan" link everyone, it's a joke.

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chuygr35
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 8:37:28 AM
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It better be a joke, cuz all hell will break loose! and i will, mark my words SONY, will leave you!!!

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Dante399
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 8:43:37 AM
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That's our gift from Sony after all those years supporting it, especially with the PS3. They should give us the "Optional service" as free as we're their loyal fans, not charge us everything.
But who cares it's probably an April's fools joke ,but it's good to get out the feelings of BETRAYAL LMAO

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gumbi
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 9:01:16 AM
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Holy Crap! I just read through some of the comments here... Chill out everyone. It's a joke, of the 'not real' variety. The entire internet gaming community would be abuzz if this was for real. Take a few moments to validate what you're reading before you blow your top.

Also, I find it a little disconcerting the number of threats to jump ship here, yikes.

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Arvis
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 9:11:56 AM
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April Fool's on March 30th? LAME! :D

-Arvis

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Hezzron
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 9:11:56 AM
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Good joke. But is it some kind of internet tradition to start April Fools' Day a couple of days early?

Only an April Fools' joke could make the Xbox Live Gold subscription start to look good.

Last edited by Hezzron on 3/30/2010 9:20:29 AM

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 10:12:22 AM

No, not a good joke. This was a hoax. For it to have been an April fools joke, it would be customary for it to happen, in April. In fact if I remember my customs right anyone trying to pull of a April Fool's day joke early or late (i.e. not on April 1st) is in fact the fool. PS3Clan have earned the ire of the PS3 community, they most surely deserve it.

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Arvis
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 9:15:28 AM
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...and in other news, Microsoft has announced that new research shows that the RRoD is "not their fault" and have asked the Supreme Court to issue a mandate stating that all recipients of free replacement 360s must pay up or face jail time.

-Arvis

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RadioHeader
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 9:38:02 AM

That would be more believable :)

ps. I'd be okay, all my 360s broke within the standard one year warranty.

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www
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 9:16:06 AM
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Well I don't care anymore, I got better things to worry about. If it's even true, then I'll be glad paying for LIVE rather.

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vicious54
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 9:21:48 AM
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I would pay for a premium service if it will enhance my psn experience but these April Fools jokes are getting ridiculous. It is funny though seeing everyone get all bent out of shape about it.

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sonic1899
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 10:07:40 AM
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I should've known Sony wouldn't stoop to Microsoft's level. I did find it odd for such an announcement to be made by a random dutch site.:)
Besides, how can any company have a service that's been heavily marketed as free for more than three years suddenly make it into a paid one? That's a self-inflicted shot to the foot right there.

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sonic1899
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 10:09:21 AM
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This has to be the most massive post in PSXExtreme history :O

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 10:15:41 AM
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Ah, I see that this turned out to be the third option I suggested.

"This is either a very poor translation, or a very poor job by Kaz Hirai or a pretty stupid hoax. "

A pretty stupid hoax. I could call this an April fool if it was April, but it's not. And if I remember correctly playing an April Fool on someone a day early or a day late makes the one trying to pull off the 'joke' the fool.

Personally, I think this falls into the unfunny, stupid hoax variety of thing.

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sonic1899
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 10:24:46 AM

My guess is that they didn't want it to be so obvious. If you think about it, this wouldn't be nearly as believable as it was if it was posted on 4/1/2010 instead.

Last edited by sonic1899 on 3/30/2010 10:25:31 AM

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B-RadGfromOV
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 10:58:19 AM

Yeah, sonic1899 that's true.
and I agree with Highlander, this kind of joke is just... cheap. A quick way to try and get a couple thousand extra hits. The problem is now less people trust you.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 11:51:25 AM

The thing is Sonic, that that's the point of an April fool, it's supposed to happen on the 1st so you can question whether it's real or not. Are we to stretch April fools day to a week either side of the 1st of April now? What's next, April Fools day cards?

Their 'story' was published a day early in the Netherlands, and two days early in the US, that's not an April Fool, that's a March Hoax.

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Ultimadream
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 10:54:54 AM
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I hate Aprils Fools day enough as it is, let alone when they dont stick to the correct f***ing day.

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OtisFeelgood
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 11:33:17 AM
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lol @ 380 posts. I can just imagine what the comments are....

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chedison
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 11:40:07 AM

alot of ppl were going apesht and saying they would sell their ps3s lolz.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:13:52 PM

I don't think anyone said they'd sell their PS3, just stop going online.

Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 3/30/2010 1:14:31 PM

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:01:15 PM

I think only two people they would hawk their PS3's on Ebay.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:03:54 PM

I'm with chedison, tons of people on here were talking about switching sides and abandoning ships.

I will never forget who you people are, EVER.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:07:35 PM

You threw me a life preserver and i got back on ship LV.

;)

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:12:47 PM

AWW!

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OtisFeelgood
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:25:05 PM

lmao @ LV

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kevyd09
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:36:20 PM

@lv id never sell my ps3 i love it too much!!

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SolidFantasy
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 11:36:12 AM
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Wow! the article has turned some heads. I don't care if this is some kinda of sick early april fools joke or not. I just don't want to pay subscription fees. The "free" PSN is one of the many +++s we have against the competition and SONY is considering doing away with it. Man business hurts.

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nath08
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 11:42:51 AM
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Well i dont know if this is an early April fools joke, but i bloody well hope it is :P

One thing where i think the Xbox is better than PS3 is the fact that they can have parties. Other than that, yes, PS3 whoops some Xbox arse. Anyways, yeah, I would be more than happy to pay to play if they make the connection better and faster, and if they include something like party chat.

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Bugzbunny109
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 11:45:36 AM
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Lol knew it from the start....

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 11:52:02 AM
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BASTARDS!

How the heck did you find that article anyways Ben?

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bridgera
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 11:59:46 AM
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Charging for online...

... taking away Linux options.

Next they'll be paying for timed exclusives instead of paying for development of new games.

Dear Sony, please stop acting like Microsoft scumbags.

Edit:Oh it was April fools charging for online? Bad timing with the removal of linux announcement.

Last edited by bridgera on 3/30/2010 12:01:44 PM

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:01:12 PM

Sony isn't removing anything from anyone. You have the option to decide for yourself what to do. Firmware 3.21 is not mandatory, you have a choice. If you want to keep PSN access you need 3.21, if you don't, or find Linux more important to you, then don't apply the firmware update.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:11:52 PM

Go out and buy a Slim for gaming and PSN and use your old fat model for Linux if you want to keep it that option open you. :)

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bridgera
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:18:21 PM

When you present someone with a choice of which features they get to use, you are taking away something from someone. You can't tell me "Sony isn't removing anything from anyone."....

.... then deny me access to the Linux parition on my PS3, or deny me the ability to play Warhawk (online only game).

Both are things I was of the understanding that I could use when I purchased my $500 PS3.

Companies aren't typically allowed to remove functionality AFTER purchase like this.

Last edited by bridgera on 3/30/2010 2:20:22 PM

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:09:30 PM

The problem is that circumstances change. Had the Hypervisor hack not happened, had the system security remained intact, then this would be unnecessary.

What would you have Sony do? Leave the systems potentially vulnerable so that the minority of users who make use of both the Linux and PS3 functionality are satisfied? I'm sorry, I understand the dilemma you're in. However I also see that Sony were faced with two alternatives and chose the one that hurts fewer paying customers.

The honest truth is that your PS3 continues to work as it does now if you do not update to 3.21. Nothing is taken away from you. You paid for your system and your games and you can play them. The truth is that accessing the PSN is strictly controlled and if your system doesn't beet the terms and conditions, you can't access the Network. That still doesn't take your system or anything on it away from you. Sure it cramps your style, but Sony are not taking anything away from you.

Sony is not taking any functionality away - they leave the decision up to the user, the update is not forced onto your system, you have to agree to it. The firmware update is something YOU have to initiate in the full knowledge that it disables Linux mode for security reasons.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:44:08 PM

I agree with High, this guy found a weakness in Sony's security, it's gotta go.

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bridgera
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 5:11:10 PM

"What would you have Sony do?"

I would have Sony find a better solution. They are not a bunch of mindless weeklings that are incapable of finding legitimate solutions, let's not act like they are.

"Nothing is taken away from you."

Yes, it is. Either my Linux partition Xor PSN access to play games that are online only, such as Warhawk.

Posted this above, but I'll post it here to.

You may think it's okay for any company to disable any feature after you purchase a product.

I do not think that's okay. If it says "play on PSN" "option to install other OS" on the box, or in advertisements, or promotionals, I had better be able to use all those options.

You don't have to agree with me on that, you are entitled to your opinion.

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tlpn99
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:12:07 PM
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Most comments ever I think, had an idea it would be an April Fools joke :)

Last edited by tlpn99 on 3/30/2010 12:12:35 PM

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spiderboi
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:13:37 PM
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stupid hoax.

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NeoHumpty
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:16:13 PM
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Wow. Limited Vertigo talks a lot.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:52:56 PM

And we are grateful as it is entertaining.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:02:38 PM

...and your mouth tastes good, so what?

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NeoHumpty
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:04:20 PM

Ew. I haven't brushed my teeth in two days. Even I think it tastes bad. lol.

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Shadow786
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:21:42 PM
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That was one sick joke....

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 12:56:58 PM
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Man. No offense to all you guys/gals that I have been posting with for along time, but I can't believe any of you took that serious.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:02:38 PM

Well it was two days before April 1st and in Dutch. So there weren't many clues to suggest it was a Hoax. That said, as I kept saying, people would have been better served waiting for a real announcement before blowing their gaskets.

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spiderboi
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:14:38 PM

Yeah. April fool's jokes are supposed to be on april or at least a couple of hours near April 1st. This one was so far that it makes it one very very bad joke.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:16:00 PM

I prefer to pretend it's real, go insane and destroy everything, then settle down when it gets updated.

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NeoHumpty
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:06:13 PM

I was calling BS the whole time, but damn,....just the thought of it fires me up.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:05:31 PM
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The world makes sense again.

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:28:15 PM

I dunno, I really enjoyed your "Release the Kraken", and then followed by "Huh? I just thought it was time to release the Kraken."

I remember something about dicks and Denmark too. Real knee slappers.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:54:25 PM

Oh SH*T! I forgot to put the Kraken back in the cage!

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Dridion
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:09:46 PM
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400 lol :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:16:28 PM
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I still would never pay for online.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:23:37 PM

This thread has left me open to the idea of paying for a Premium service. I want to see what Sony's going to offer in terms of new features for a price. Like LV i do trust the Sony brand and would love to see what else PSN could be and the fact is they would need revenue to due that. What a learning experience this has been. ;)

I still wouldn't pay to play like LIVE people though. I'd just go back to playing Counter Strike on my Vaio before of pay to play Killzone 2 or MAG.

Last edited by Jawknee on 3/30/2010 1:24:17 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:51:16 PM

yeah the premium service is still a good idea, and if it offered stuff I wanted I would pay for it.

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NeoHumpty
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:11:16 PM

I'm really curious as to what they will offer. I still think Core was a waste of money. They'll need to offer me some discounts, free games or rewards somehow to keep me interested in paying extra. Guessing that's why it's taking them so long to create the service. Hoping that E3 sheds some light on all of it.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:30:32 PM
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See, the Dutch are just terrible at April Fools pranks.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:51:21 PM

They're great with slavery.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 1:54:32 PM

Ha!

"The Dutch invented the slave trade you know?"

"THOSE MOTHER F***ERS!"

Terrible movie, but that was pretty funny.

Chicken and Waffles anyone?

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:04:53 PM

If you're going to do something at least do it right, I tip my hat to them.

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FullmetalX10
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:21:11 PM

We're also good at building bridges and dams...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:55:34 PM

I enjoy their dikes.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:32:30 PM

fag

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sunspider13
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:02:12 PM
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Good God, I see what happens when I'm out of the loop for a few days dealing with H1N1 AND a death in the family (service was last Thurs). I hope that Sony sues the bejesus out of them.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:06:07 PM

Sorry to hear about your troubles, glad to see you back on.

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FullmetalX10
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:22:54 PM

I'm sorry for your loss.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:56:20 PM

Sorry for your loss. H1N1 sucks as well. Watch out for the Bronchitis that can follow on from H1N1.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:39:09 PM

Sunspider,
Sorry to hear about all your troubles, & hope things get better from here on out.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:05:30 PM
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Anyone else pissed that this news is fake? I was really hoping they'd start charging us for the PSN.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:10:39 PM

Not pissed but now I'm more interested in what their Premium service will look like.

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NeoHumpty
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:13:26 PM

C'mon. It's a little silly to want to pay for something we already get for free. You gotta see that, right?

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:35:38 PM

Not when I expect there to be more content to go along with the fee and the fact that I believe Sony deserves to get paid for PSN usage.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 5:22:34 PM

Don't worry LV you can still pay for the premium service, or just send me a check now and then.

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www
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:06:01 PM
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I already knew it was April Fool's story but I was playing along with it ;)

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:06:27 PM

LIES!

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FullmetalX10
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:21:53 PM
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XD

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OtisFeelgood
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:27:32 PM
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That was a pretty good prank, Ben. When I read it last night I was shocked but I took it with a grain of salt until I see a confirmation.

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sha4dowknight05
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:41:45 PM
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I HOPE THIS IS NOT TRUE!!! because $60-80 a year that's more than xbox-live and we don;t even have as much as they do on it hope sony makes and optional priminm service with ther features and keep the ones right now free of charge sony will lose a lot of customers because of this policy!! one of the main key points the system sells is because of free online!

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piratedrunk
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 2:44:14 PM

I am confused by your posting this AFTER the update..unless it took you half a day to write it.

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Victor321
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:01:34 PM
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I really find no humour in a prank like this.

Last edited by Victor321 on 3/30/2010 3:05:58 PM

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MyWorstNightmar
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:31:37 PM

Especially when you are the butt of the joke.

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Victor321
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:53:57 PM

Yup.

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giant123
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:49:27 PM
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i may have just pooed myself.... but anyway when are we getting cross game chat? or will that come with the mandatory fee? (never)

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Evilincarnate
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 3:58:39 PM
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Damn you Sony! Now I've got to sell my PS3 and buy an Xbox360 and Wii. I hope your happy with screwing over your loyal fanbase. J/K:)

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Squirreldriver
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:10:54 PM
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Can we just get rid of April Fools Day? It's pointless and stupid. Just like DST.

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Bugzbunny109
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:12:57 PM
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Hey, lets go for 500 comments!

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:21:58 PM
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ROTFLMAO!

Well, I guess that PS3Clan are ashamed of their joke or something. After they hastily pulled their story and replaced it with an April Fools Day message, the story is no longer linked on their news page, you can only get to it if you have the link already.

I guess it's not so much of an April Fools Day joke if it happens two days early and then goes missing before April Fools Day itself.

Wonder if they simply screwed up, saw the reactions and realized they screwed up, and then yanked the story in a hurry trying to save face by claiming it was all a big joke?

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:36:29 PM

That site must be full of idiots. Who does an April Fools 2days ahead of time then retracts the story completely.

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kevyd09
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:32:14 PM
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i always had faith in sony to keep what we have now free but i do believe that there will be a premium service that will require payment!!
and i new it was a joke!!
and lets get to 500 every 1 else has a comment so i thought id stick my 2 pennies in

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:34:27 PM

Maybe if you jerks spammed the thread as much as Death, Jawk, World, Tes, laxpro, DIs, and sorry to say it but Highlander we'd be at 500 by now.

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kevyd09
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:37:21 PM

i have finaly been insulted by lv i feel accepted now!!

Last edited by kevyd09 on 3/30/2010 4:37:42 PM

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:41:06 PM

Theres no I in Team!

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kevyd09
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:41:54 PM

but theres a ME

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 5:02:58 PM

NO.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 6:45:25 PM

Me? Spam? I thought I was offering information wherever I could!? LV I'm Shocked. Shocked I tell ya. Such accusations...

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:12:30 PM

There is good spam (ME) so no worries.

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sha4dowknight05
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:46:52 PM
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lol good thing this was one big joke i mean i was a littl bit worried but hey PSn will remain free!! YAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYAAAAAAA!!!

"carelessly walk off a cliff"
"dies"
"tears"
"sad life."

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:48:45 PM
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LV,
Dontcha think you've gotta add yourself in there too this time though, LOL

And Spam can be great thing
(but I prefer to slap a few well done slices on some toasted Rye bread and a coupl slices of cheddar, with a few thinly sliced red onions & slathering on some horseradish sauce....... MMMMMMMMGOOD!!!)

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kevyd09
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:51:42 PM

leave out the red onion and horseraddish and ill take 1 of those!!

Last edited by kevyd09 on 3/30/2010 4:53:39 PM

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:13:10 PM

LOL, I didn't include myself in hopes someone would notice!

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sha4dowknight05
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:51:44 PM
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@TheHighLander

Are you sure that update 3.21 is optional because it really seems mandatory and also they could make it optional for awhile only to make it mandatory after awhile.

I really hope they reconsider.

Or do you mean optional as in DON'T UPDATE YOUR SYSTEM!

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kevyd09
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 4:56:31 PM

if ya dont update ya cant get on the psn so to me that sounds like its compulsary, not optinal as they say

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bridgera
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 5:02:18 PM

It's not really optional, unless you consider not connecting to PSN optional.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 5:04:14 PM

Its mandatory if you want to continue using PSN. So in a way its mandatory but it's also avoidable with a sacrifice.

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 6:47:28 PM

It's optional because you have to decide to do the update. You have the choice of whether to access the PSN or not. Yes, I know PSN is kind of important to online gaming. But the point I am making is that it's not necessary to perform the update for your PS3 to operate correctly. It's required if you want to log in to PSN. It is optional because your PS3 will not cease to function if you skip it.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 5:38:29 PM
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Hey Highlander,
OK I can kind of understand from a few of your earlier statements on why Sony might really be taking away the "Other OS" option, for the security reasons.

But let's just say for argument's sake, a 60Gig user decides to keep his Linux by refusing to update any more firmware on it & just uses one of the newer 120/250 slims to do the firmwares, gaming go online, etc.

So being non-tech noob, my question is, wouldn't Sony still be in the same security/hackable predicament from those who kept their Linux & didn't upgrade, or has Sony got that route pretty much covered too????

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TheHighlander
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 6:43:47 PM

Not really. What I think Sony is concerned about is that the hack that exists represents a chink in the armor of the PS3 that could potentially be widened. Right now it's very hard to do, you have to effectively dismantle your PS3 and potentially fry the motherboard if you mess up. However, what was demonstrated was an ability to cause the hypervisor (in OtherOS mode only) to act in particular ways by directly modifying memory used by the hypervisor. In other words, a hacker can gain control of the hypervisor. The security of the PS3 is very complex and robust. The designers actually assumed that a hacker would one day gain control of the hypervisor and so the system and Cell CPU were designed to be secure even from a compromised hypervisor.

Now, the thing is that the security of the Cell is hardware based, there are encryption keys burned into the Cell CPU that are not accessible by software. The worry is that even though it is in theory (and by design) impossible to get the keys, somehow someone might find a way. Since the way into the system is through OtherOS mode, as soon as it was confirmed that someone had broken into the hypervisor in OtherOS mode I figured that the OtherOS mode would go away.

In terms of the threat, in the scenario you describe, of course the user with Two PS3s offers no more security threat and Sony is not mandating the update be installed. It's optional so if your PS3 doesn't ever need to talk to PSN, you don't need to update it.

Sony is taking a precaution just in case someone somehow turns this exploit of OtherOS mode into a way to open up the GameOS mode and custom firmware. A PS3 with custom firmware and an insecure GameOS mode is a security threat to PSN because it is capable (until detection) of getting into PSN and past the authentication security of PSN.

You remember that old expression that you give someone an inch and they take a mile? I think it applies here. If Sony gives an inch on security, what's to stop hackers taking a mile. Sony cannot work on the basis of what is proven to be, they have to plan for potential threats.

Removing OtherOS is a precaution. I know it's upset some who did in fact use their PS3 both for Linux and for games. But the number of such users is in reality very, very small. So the pain is limited, it's not that I don't care, it's just that I don't want to see the PS3 or PSN hacked.

Researchers using PS3s as low cost super computer clusters are not affected by this because they have no reason to update their firmware in any case.

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Jed
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 6:49:41 PM

If they are that concerned about security/hacking they will probably make it mandatory. In that case you would have to update if you want to play while your system is online.

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Jed
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 6:56:54 PM
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Now I feel bad for doubting Sony. This "joke" was in very bad taste. I hate ploys like this to drive up site traffic. Death to PS3Clan.

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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 @ 7:56:28 PM
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WTF is going on...I leave this site for a week's time and when I return, there's nothing but chaos. I'm ashamed at some of you Sony fans. Jumping to conclusions when an article presents a distasteful idea such as an overlapping premium service...this is downright uncool. TheHighlander is as cool as ever though, always successfully remaining levelheaded despite the widespread disbelief and fear around him.

Regardless of this being or not being a rumor, I just find the topic in the article unbelievable. Before anyone takes this comment in the wrong way, let me clarify. It is difficult to believe Sony could just up and exclude free content, literally commercialized as free media. Now, I see no problem with Sony providing extra special services under certain subscriptions...leaving those consumers content with their free services unscathed in mind and in wallet. However, if these promised free services are in any way denied to the consumer by Sony, there lies a problem.

I'm not going to bit@h on about my worries because I'm fairly certain this is just a hoax and somebody really soon will clear this up and all this panic and anxiety will be nothing but a faint memory traveling to the back of our heads. Yeah...I'm not worried...I mean really! Paying for online service...that's preposterous! I'm just waiting for this joke to just blow over! Guys, how about some backup?

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