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November 20, 2009 12:00 PM PST

Brin: Google's OSes likely to converge

by Tom Krazit
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Google co-founder Sergey Brin

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MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif.--Google's dual-pronged operating-system strategy will likely produce a single OS down the road, according to Google co-founder Sergey Brin.

Many Google observers were puzzled when the company announced plans for Chrome OS in July, coming amid growing acceptance of the company's Android operating-system project as a smartphone and Netbook OS. After all, why design an open-source operating system with the goal of reinventing the personal computing experience when you're currently developing another open-source operating system with the goal of reinventing the mobile computing experience?

Google executives, including CEO Eric Schmidt, have downplayed the conflict ever since, asking for time to let the projects evolve. And a few days after Chrome OS was revealed, Android chief Andy Rubin said device makers "need different technology for different products," explaining that Android has a lot of unique code that makes it suitable for use in a phone and Chrome has unique benefits of its own.

But Brin, speaking informally to reporters after the company's Chrome OS presentation on Thursday, said "Android and Chrome will likely converge over time," citing among other things the common Linux and Webkit code base present in both projects.

It's not clear when Google thinks it might want to merge the projects, but it seems to be eyeing a future in which the smartphones currently served by Android meld into the Netbooks Google has in mind for Chrome OS. Of course, Brin's vision might not necessarily be shared by all members of the Google management team.

"As Sundar [Pichai, Google's vice president of product management] said in his presentation, we're reaching a perfect storm of converging trends where computers are behaving more like mobile devices, and phones are behaving more like small computers," Google said in a statement in response to questions about how and when the two projects would merge. "Having two open source operating systems from Google provides both users and device manufacturers with more choice and helps contribute a wealth of new code to the open source community."

Any future combination of Chrome OS and Android could be aimed at a new type of device distinct from Android's smartphones or Chrome OS's Netbooks.

(Credit: Screenshot by Josh Lowensohn/CNET)

This also allows Google to pick and choose the best ideas to emerge from each project, setting up a bit of friendly internal competition to develop new operating-system technologies. The main difference is that while Android is a shipping product, Chrome OS is still very much in the research stage, with devices not expected until late 2010.

It's way too early to know how that pending convergence will affect development for the different operating systems, as it seems pretty clear Google is spending most of its time at the moment building out each one separately.

But Brin--no idle bystander--believes at some point, Google will emerge with one next-generation operating system.

Tom Krazit writes about the ever-expanding world of Internet search, including Google, Yahoo, online advertising, and portals, as well as the evolution of mobile computing. He has written about traditional PC companies, chip manufacturers, and mobile computers, spending the last three years covering Apple. E-mail Tom.
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by slickuser November 20, 2009 1:00 PM PST
yeah, once they are bloated and cranky like Windoze, they will rewrite again. At that time, the team politics
etc Android and Chrome OS will end up like WIndowze and Windoze Mobile.
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by atish505 November 20, 2009 4:34 PM PST
Google has come up with a great product 'Android' unlike the clunky low quality WinMo. Google does not produce crappy software like Microsoft.
by Mr. Dee November 20, 2009 1:17 PM PST
I think they are being just a bit too bit ambitious. In fact, I think this is more of a Brin wanting a "me too" OS to compete against Windows, just like he want wanted a me too web browser against IE and Firefox. (Notice Eric and Larry are not there? Personally, I don't think neither of them support this project personally. The fact that it got Eric kicked off Apples Board of Directors probably rubbed him the wrong way, no more free Apple goodies). Google realizes that the one trick pony Search can go so far and with Bing innovating at a fast pace, the cow that funds these projects Chrome and Android might dwindle over time. What Google needs to realize, they are not cut out for operating systems and trying to reinvent the wheel might just be the problem. The lack in ubiquity where Internet and Wireless networks are concerned might pose a huge problem for the OS to really become a success.

The fact they are targeting it on low cost devices which would be targeted in developing markets where Internet Ubiquity is lacking, might make Google a doomed pioneer of the first web centric operating system. Right now I am typing this on a GPRS connection and its slow, I can't use Chrome because its even slower to use and very incompatible with many sites. Firefox is fast and I am able to get by with it. On top of the Internet connection, yesterday, some friends who live in urban area, had to leave town and come to country to use my lame Internet Connection to get work done because their fast speed Internet was down. Now imagine if they were not able to access the other resources of their computer like the Word Processor, because the Internet is down?

Another problem is support for devices, will my GPRS Motorola C350 modem work with Chrome? It works in Windows 98, 2000, XP, Vista and Windows 7. What about my iPod Touch, Printer, Scanner? Yeah, new devices on the market will probably work, but what about what already exist out there? Microsoft announced 9,000 logo'd products for Windows 7? Will Google be able to achieve or create the platform for a breath of applications similar to Windows equal in functionality and user experience?

Google can't even get Chrome for Linux and OS X done. Imagine use Chrome OS, buggy, beta OS for the next 10 years? People, wake up and stay as far away as possible from this. Chrome OS makes Windows 7 Starter look like Windows 7 Ultimate.
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by pugster November 20, 2009 1:45 PM PST
Yes Chrome OS just came out a few months yet it hasn't filled its potential yet. Perhaps maybe they ultimately want Chrome OS to be built on top of Android.
by dbloyd November 20, 2009 1:21 PM PST
I see a train wreck coming.
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by jlopezcnet November 20, 2009 1:22 PM PST
I really hate being nitpicky but how can I take serious a presentation that uses a typeface that looks like handwritten notes jotted on a napkin? Sorry google but it just feels how you are branded. As a simple - generic - system.

I have used gmail and we adopted it for a museum I worked for. It was missing so many common sense features like the ability to have a todo list or manage your contacts. The contact management as it stands just starts throwing emails in there whether you want them to be there or not and it's next to impossible to manage it with the interface provided.

If this is a sign to come of your OS i will take a pass. It all looks well on paper with handwritten notes but in reality - GMAIL nor Google Apps doesn't cut it for every day business purposes.
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by rtuinenburg November 20, 2009 5:38 PM PST
Beg to differ, Gmail is a top notch email system, nothing I have used (there has been many) comes close. What other email client offers IM, Video Chat, VOIP chat, Really great search, Incredible SPAM blocking techniques, Labs to enhance many different functions, it has a TODO list, its called tasks. Great calendaring (Love the quick add feature). I have used Gmail for many years, and its constantly evolving which is another wonderful thing. Cannot wait until they integrate google voice, and google wave into gmail. I also heard they are working on a very innovative video conferencing feature within gmail. Outlook is old school, and so is Microsoft, man they are really getting behind the times on all fronts. I do have to give them some kudos for their maps, and bing product.
by solu1978 November 20, 2009 1:30 PM PST
Chrome OS reminds me of Windows 3.1
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by masajo928 November 20, 2009 6:16 PM PST
Yeah, it does look like Windows 3.1. I hope finished product looks much better...
by pradhanavs November 20, 2009 2:14 PM PST
I am not sure how this project would be successful but, this is some thing good for the consumers who will get latest technologies.....right now, Mac, Windows and Linux, all three OS have no major tech innovation or something that will spark interest in consumers. Look at Iphone OS. It changed the mobile industry for ever(this includes providers, manufacturers, S/W developers and end users).....Consumers need something like this type of revolution at least once every 3-5 yrs. So I would certainly welcome this new OS. Hope Apple and MS take the lead in making ppl stand in line to get their OS.

Note: some ppl think i am bashing apple and MS..I have a Mac Mini, Iphone, 80 Gig Ipod and 2 PC's with Win 7.
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by redmarine November 20, 2009 3:46 PM PST
Well, I can see this on duel boot menu but hell, I would never let this become my main OS since it is utter trash if I don't have internet on the run.

My country doesn't have 3G nor WiFi coverage at all.
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by rtuinenburg November 20, 2009 5:41 PM PST
I am gonna take the wait and see approach, does not make sense to comment on something that is not even finished. If is does fail at least its creating more competition in the marketplace which never hurts, and it gets people thinking about a different approach.
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by queticomn November 20, 2009 6:21 PM PST
aww yes, Linux chrome OS.
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by skylamer November 21, 2009 2:16 AM PST
guut, guut
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by Romriech November 21, 2009 7:50 AM PST
I think people are forgetting google gears, which I imagine would run deep in Chrome OS.

Already on a Mac, PC, or Linux you can use google cal, docs and gmail offline. That includes creating new documents (spreadsheets and presentations) and accessing all of your existing docs.

I'd be willing to bet that every google built feature has gears built in so that people can access things offline.

And to be honest, how useful is any computer offline?
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by philoking November 21, 2009 5:07 PM PST
How useful is any computer offline? I write blogs offline when I am in airplanes, not to mention watching video. I will be going on vacation next week and am taking my Macbook Pro unconnected so I can download and edit the photos I take. I have to laugh at this speculation that online computing is the only thing now. I have bought over $1,000 of software in the last year and beg to differ: Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop, Digidesign Pro Tools, Office 2007, Apple Logic Studio and Apple Final Cut Express, VMware Fusion... I still USE my computer. I think you will find there is a class of users that do limited things with computers such as email, browsing and chat, for those users a netbook with a net only operating system might make sense, but I can tell you this, I bought an iPod Touch, and quickly realized when there was no network connection nearby,it was useless, might as well just be an iPod Classic with WAY less space. It's going to be a hard sell to offer it as a "companion" computer when you can buy a laptop under $300 these days, who is going to carry both? This is just my opinion, but I think a more likely user scenario is a Laptop for home and the road, and a good smartphone for when you don't want to carry the laptop. (FYI, I bought an MSI Wind, and ended up selling it because I never used it. It was too weak for when I needed a real computer, and too big for when I really needed portability, I ended up just taking my laptop or using my iPhone EVERY time.)
by dzankizakon November 21, 2009 12:13 PM PST
I just can't take seriously someone who uses the expression "perfect storm".

How can you use "perfect storm" for something that happens over the course of 10 years, and resembles a storm as much as I resemble Angelina Jolie.

He also said "users living in the cloud". Google is becoming worse than Microsoft ever was, that's for sure.
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by bphillips8 November 21, 2009 1:50 PM PST
Unfortunately this will require you to "believe" in Google. They will control all of your data. I can see something happening like with the SideKick and all y our data is "Poof" gone.
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by kiranps November 22, 2009 3:48 AM PST
What you need to succeed are deep pockets and persistence, not the Quality or Features of Ver 1.0 software. Microsoft has proved this time and again. Goggle defiantly has both, plus they have a fresh perspective of coming from the internet background. Fresh perspective is always important for success as MS showed IBM (OS2) with Windows and GUI.

If Goggle guys stick to their guns they will succeed. Just look at how quickly Android has populated the smart phone market, WinMo took a long time to get similar market/mind share.

I still don't understand this obsession with Mis/under informed "Journalists" comparing Android to Chrome OS and wondering "Why the redundancy ?". MS has had Windows Mobile (WinCE) and Windows NT (XP etc) for ages. They address different needs and work under different constraints, and for MS to poke fun at Goggle about this is like the "Pot calling ...".

Hand held platforms and Desktop platforms are different !!! they have different needs and usage patterns. Its like saying "Why do we need a Bus and a Car ? both carry people, why should we make both ? That's Dumb - Duh. ".

I do not think that Chrome OS as a closed - cloud only OS would fly for anything other than a net book. Google currently seems to limit themselves to this. Which is a good clean achievable near term goal. Once they understand the market they would start adding more stuff to make it a true Desktop OS. This approach of setting a realistic expectation and delivering it is better than promising what you can never deliver (WinFS etc ).

You have to remember MS was ridiculed for Windows 1.0-3.0 when it was just a shell to DOS but Win95 changed it all.

Slow and Steady with deep pockets always wins the race.
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by esierra1 November 22, 2009 6:51 AM PST
Did I miss the part of the presentation where it says that this will be the OS for your main computer?!?
IT'S FOR NETBOOKS, it should not be for your main computer. It's to surf the web, check email and drink coffee at Starbucks. Some people will just ***** about everything...
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by qooldude November 23, 2009 3:09 AM PST
Android is a hit. Chrome OS may be a flop. Google are wise to keep them separate for now.
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