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steveb

after setting up my preferred domain from oshmanbarteck.com to www.oshmanbarteck.com we have vanished from bing  - all other search engines have adjusted and have us as we were before - would greatly appreciate any feedback as to resolve issue - states in the webmaster site crawled 10/23/09 but old cached site states 10/20/2009 - have only the 3w with webmaster and have sent updated sitemap


 
 

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LAM09

Suggested by LAM09

www.oshmanbarteck.com has a 301 "moved permanently" marker on it.  Since Bing is awful at following 301s, it wont go any further than the www.oshmanbarteck.com page and then its SERP death

(see here http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=&d=4543521387249742&mkt=en-GB&setlang=en-GB&w=6502a13c,b1891b0c)

If you are saying that www.oshmanbarteck.com is your main URL, then someone has incorrectly set up your 301.  

Did you use HTACCESS?  

 


 
 

steveb

thank you for your response - let me just clarify - from what  I understand I was trying to set up a "preffered domain" - since previously one could enter with the www or without - and this is all the same address - and I only want people to get to the www - and so I looked for some code that would allow me to forward non www to www - in the htaccess file I entered  -

Options -Indexes

RewriteEngine On

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^(.*)\.oshmanbarteck\.com$ [NC]

RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.oshmanbarteck.com/$1 [R=301,L]

is my code wrong  - I do not think the code  is telling them to put a 301 on the www.address  aka "bing serp death" - because bing has it that on the www.oshmanbarteck.com has moved permanently to the same address  - they also have http://oshmanbarteck.com moved permanently to the 3 w address - which is what I was trying to attain. I set this up about 2 weeks ago and all went smoth with google.

 


 
 

LAM09

Suggested by LAM09

You have to be careful with HTACCESS and your internet sources!  your Google results are showing plenty of URLs without the www.  (google listing)  Google hasnt re-indexed since the 11th October, so you could be facing SERP death with them soon if errors not corrected.

HTACCESS is for Apache - so I recommend you look at Apaches advice: http://www.askapache.com/apache/mod_rewrite-tips-and-tricks.html

 

Require the www

Options +FollowSymLinks
RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www\.oshmanbarteck\.com$ [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.oshmanbarteck.com/$1 [R=301,L]

Require no www

Options +FollowSymLinks
RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^oshmanbarteck\.com$ [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://oshmanbarteck.com/$1 [R=301,L]

 


 
 

steveb

thank you kindly for this  information - except firstly how come other search engines are forwarding the http://o.... to the http://www.o... without the bing  issue - what  I am not sure  of is why on the cached page  of bing http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=%22http+oshmanbarteck+com%22&d=4543521387249742&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=6502a13c,b1891b0c

it shows the www address to the www address - do you think this is due to that minor error  in the search engine instruction? - and if so once I change the code do you suggest I just resubmit  sitemap via the webmaster tools -

also I only have the accouint  on bing webmaster a the non www - as all are fowarded to the www - is this correct  - so I only set up the account  on bing as http://www.  - could there be an issue here should i set up both


 
 

LAM09

Im not convinced that other search engines are following your 301 correctly.

For Google, they haven't yet re-cached your site (last cached weeks ago).  
If you look at the link I posted above, Google still has nearly all of your site without the www in its index.  

Bing crawled and re-cached on 20th, your  htaccess instruction could be looping - redirecting www to www. I dont know where you found that code - but askapache is a very reliable resource.  If you correct this code, you should be fine on the next crawl.

I cant help you about WBT but I would personally only have www.... one if thats the one that you are using.

 

 

 


 
 

LAM09

Yep - just checked Yahoo.  Its struggling with your site as well - CLICK HERE

You can check your 301 behaviour HERE - type in your URL.  Its in a constant loop.

 


 
 

steveb

super - thank you once again  - I have made the htaccess file changes and will wait for the next round  of crawls  - till then


 
 

steveb

ah but wait - I just checked it after the change and I see  - well  I am not sure does  - this  look correct at the 301 search tool - still looks a bit  like a  loop?


 
 

LAM09

I wouldnt normally do this, but email me your .htaccess file - I'll take a look


 
 

Brett Yount

We should not have any problems with 301 redirects. We did have some trouble in the past, but  I've personally checked redirect chains up to 4 deep and we still did not have problems.

Here is the redirect .htaccess code I use to redirect non-www to www:

Options +FollowSymlinks
RewriteEngine on
rewritecond %{http_host} ^domain.com [nc]
rewriterule ^(.*)$ http://www.domain.com/$1 [r=301,nc]

Brett Yount

Program Manager | Bing Webmaster Center

 Webmaster Blog


 
 

Gabblet

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steve you can also use canonical tag to point search engines not to cache non-www pages..

<link rel="canonical" href="http://www.domain.com" />

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LAM09

Looking at his pages, none are caching (I dont think anyway) other than the homepage.....


 
 

steveb

I initially had the wrong script for the 301 redirect  - this has now been resolved with the correct script so that there is no loop - but what  might you recommend to get the site  listed and visited again -  as I have now  vanished from search engines - thank you


 
 

LAM09

You'll just need to resubmit your sitemap (suggest you run it again, perhaps using this http://www.xml-sitemaps.com/)

Do you have cpanel access?  If so, you can check how often your site is being crawled for an estimation on how long it will take.  

Also, you have a bit of SEOing to do

http://www.reactionengine.com/analyse?uri=www.oshmanbarteck.com%2F&keyphrase=physical+Therapy


 
 

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