Children's drawings in the subway!, How cute.

this is how china teaches kids hate-japan.
chinese people never be taught that after the war japan helped them
and paid more than 3.000.000.000.000 yen to develop china.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/lancer1/

and this is the result.
http://www5f.biglobe.ne.jp/~kokumin-shinbu...propaganda.html

and then I had to be taught "hate japan" as a japanese in japan (as i wrote before in poor english, i didn't learn that japan civilized and made public schools in korea.)
and now china wants the states to tell the same story; the massacre or comfort women whether its numbers of the victims and exsistence are true or not (and it's taboo to examine and repot it)

then the numbers of the people in the world who know or believe on those stories would be increasing, and the stories settle in the real truth in the world history.
that's their strategy.
and korea takes advatege of that and, uses citizens, too.

i'm just looking for the truth but anti japan education in both countries and the people who are made to be blind and their emotional reports over the world make it very difficult.

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Thank you.

Of all those images the one I found most interesting (at least once I found out it was South Korea) was the one with the volcano. The volcano was in North Korea from the looks of it... And looked to depict a unified Korea too. Bizarre.

BitterSweet brings up a good point that history should not be forgotten and I agree whole heartedly with that point, but then saying how you do not think you and your fellow countrymen and women will ever let go of the hatred is just irrational. You seem to be pointing the finger at deeds done by another generation and then blaming the current/future generations for the wrongs done by their ancestors. Do you really think that is the best route to go, hating another people for deeds done say 50, 100, 500 or even 1000 years ago?

Yes the Japanese during their time in WW ][ did cause anguish to those under their occupations. But as pointed out, they have apologized for their deeds many times and even gave the Korean government large sums of money to be distributed to those that were wronged by the Japanese during that time in the mid 20th century. Yes even my family was affected by the Japanese occupation, but I do not hold a hatred for the Japanese as you do. I wasn’t taught by anyone to hate another for deeds done by their ancestors, that just doesn’t make any sense to me.

It seems to me that the whole thing boils down to, teaching children to hate is wrong, and the retorts to how Koreans will never forgive Japan for the wrongs done during WW ][ does show me that even if it’s wrong it sure seems to have come to pass. The Korean and even the Chinese government has taught it’s people to hate another for past deeds, now you have got to wonder will this eventually bite them in the arse.

Perhaps you could provide some examples of this hate you claim exists. .

Japanese history books focuse on the negative side of the role of Japan during WWII and paid very little effort to make children to think and question the reasons why Japan acted the way it did in the broader perspective.

Japanese school history books have been written under the influences of the extreme left-wing organization and heavily reflected China and Korean perspectives. Because Kids learn to see the events from China and Korean perspectives, they end up denying our national identity. It has been a serious issue in Japan that our children have difficulties building inner self-esteem for their identities of nationality and heritage. That is the very reason of the rise of the controvertial new textbook.

Here are some good examples of the result of building low self-esteem, sense of sin education in Japan.

Japanese school children apologizing to Korean people during school trip to Korea.


60 Japanese wives married to Koreans apologizing in front of 1000 Korean elders.


Neither the school children nor the Japanese wives must have no idea to defend themselves when they are accused about the atrocities of our grandfathers and asked to apologize for that. They just apologize when asked because we are just tought "we were BAD" and "our grandfathers did awful things to Korean People." This is not at all a healthy reaction.

I'm not sure what you mean by defending oneself when accused. If they are being accused why do they have to apologize? and if they are married to Koreans, wouldn't they have been told of the Japanese atrocities?

I mean the Japanese apologize for everything, they say sorry at every chance they get, sorry this, sorry that, i'm sorry i'm sorry sorry sorry. It gets annoying hanging out with my cousins, tired of them apologizing for things that dont need an apology. I say to them "You say sorry too much", and my cousins says back "oh i'm sorry". so annoying.

For a culture that is in constant apology mode, the government can not issue an official apology and acknowledgement of the atrocities.

I can understand people's fustration, annoyance and anger at this. I mean, the continual visits to the shrine, even when the government agreed some 20 years ago, albeit "gentlemen's agreement," to not visit the shrine, and they still visit the shrine... empty... all empty...

Yes, the Japanese wives are well-aware of the Japanese atrocities that China and Korea are accusing about bacause they learned the history so too. But what I want to say is that Japan had its reasons for its actions on the course of the country's history. If you start to see the event in a much broader perspective, Japan was not simply a bad guy... at least in my perspective. But the Japanese children are not taught the reasons why the country decded to act the way it did. Japan had been abandoning its rights to defend the ancestors against accusations that lack foundation evidence.

What else we could have done?

official apologies made by Japanese government;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_a...issued_by_Japan

Can you direct me to any source for the agreement you mention here? I am not aware of the Japanese government for officially making an agrreement not to visit Yasukuni.

Because I am not good at English, the machine translation is used.
When it is sentences not read easily, I'm sorry.


rika,

Dissidents of Unification Church access Weblog that I manage.

Official website of the Unification Church
http://www.unification.org/

Korea is "Messiah nation. " according to the doctrine of Unification Church.
And, Japan is "Eve nation (nation by which the original sin doesn't disappear). "

Sun Myung Moon who is the founder of a religion says, "The Christ failed in the relief of the world".

｢As for the Prophet, I had it marry a Korean woman with the Christ. They were liberated by the spiritual world. ｣He says.

In the religion, it is taught, "Keep paying Korea money by Japan for war reparations".
A lot of Japanese women are made to marry the South Korean man.

As for photographs of Japanese women whom you are posting, dissidents say so and are ..
"We think that they are the active service believer of Unification Church. "

So you are saying that these women are memebers of the Unification Church and they are apologizing because they are Japanese and are born sin?
I cannot understand how these women came to believe in such religiion with such an awful doctrine.

The demand of Unification Church is the severest with Japan.

Because this is a cult religion using Japanese psychology who is the people of the defeated country.

The people of the victim of this cult say so.

｢Educators in Japan should have taught the history of Japan more correctly. Japan that was the defeated country did not one-sidedly give them bad room for the doubt because of the inculcation in the student. We who became believers of the cult religion also think that there was carelessness. However, the number of victims of Unification Church is sure to have decreased if an educational field of Japan improves the history education earlier. ｣

You do not know people of the victim of the cult religion and do not get to know.
Therefore, I think that understanding is difficult.

p.s.
The damage of Unification Church is very large in Japan.
This religion isolates believers from the family, the office, and the school.
And, they are brainwashed.

Combatting Cult Mind Control : The #1 Best-selling Guide to Protection, Rescue, and Recovery from Destructive Cults (Paperback)
by Steven Hassan
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0892813113/
Publisher: Park Street Press (October 1, 1990)
ISBN: 0892813113

Jeffrey K. Hadden
Department of Sociology
University of Virginia
Lecture: Unification Church
http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu...es/moonies.html

This post has been edited by Miyako on Jul 29 2005, 03:54 PM

Textbooks, ha that's easy...

They come from the winners.

And while this is disturbing, is it really that surprising. And if the same thing was happening here, would we know it?


Btw, Hi Everyone, my name is Money. I came across this topic and seeing as how it seemed to have an intelligent discussion following it, I decided to chime in.

And now to check out the rest of this forum.

I wrote something here but it was almost impossible to decipher. It was perhaps interesting but it was riddled with “fuck”, “fucking shit” and so on, coupled with horrid grammar and syntax. I think I’ll read the rules and repost my message when I understand them and I get my shift key repaired.

This post has been edited by Lyrt on Aug 10 2005, 08:33 AM

You know, one of the things that confuses me somewhat about this is that somewhere along the line is the unspoken idea that children shouldn't be this angry about the situation.

Why not?

I was twelve during the Falklands war in 1982, but I had strong opinions on it. They were extreme, and from what I know today, they were wrong. So why isn't it okay for Korean society to encourage their children to feel what they feel and say what they want to say? Sure, they're feeling and saying some pretty extreme and wrong things. But bad feelings don't go away when you hide them, they just get worse; I prefer knowing where those bad feelings are, so we can monitor them and take some precautions if they get too extreme.

It may be odd to see children making such passionate and vitriolic statements, but honestly - I've never heard of Korean children blowing things up or shooting people at school. (To be fair, I don't really follow Korean news, but I think that would make the cut for America's five minutes of international coverage.) Maybe there's some connection between bottling up and concealing the passion of youth, and seeing that youth occasionally go completely bonkers and start slaughtering people.

I think that violence should not be estimulated. Ok, Japan sucks but there's a better way to make noise. Children are *very* influenciable...

I'm sorry, but what's your point? "Japan sucks"? Why? "There's a better way to make noise"? What are you suggesting? Sorry, but posts like that just don't help much, and don't last long after Lyrt sees 'em, so it's best to be as informative as possible.

This post has been edited by Necrite on Aug 12 2005, 12:26 PM

Economy

Although the islets themselves are relatively insignificant, the exclusive economic zone surrounding them has relatively rich fishing grounds and possible reserves of natural gas. These factors make them potentially valuable, even though they are relatively uninhabitable.

That's why lol...

It's my understanding that ownership of the islets will not expand the current exclusive economic zone of either country as such an expansion can only accomplished by island ownership, not feature ownership. As the Liancourt Rocks are internationally recognized as being features rather than islands, no change in the EEZs would occur.

A Korean, hailing from Ithaca, New York.

Boy, was I appalled to see the pictures.

Well, I can't recall at any time that I was taught to hate the japanese people in my school days, but I can say that anti-japanese sentiment was very much prevalent back then.

Of course, being a Korean, and being born and raised in Korea, I was taught to hate the Japanese folks. The bad thing is, there was no such thing as "critical reflection" of any sort. It was just blind hatred. It took good portion of my life span of over 30 years to realize that hating Japanese folks wasn't a sensible thing to do. At least for now, as far as I am concerned, I bear no grudge toward Japanese people. Seriously it scares me to think that there won't be as many lucky (like me) among the japanese-hating horde.

The kids don't just come into this world knowing they have to hate the Japanese. It's but a work of the education. Korean educational system as shoddy and incompetent as it is, I find it hard to believe that this trend will change any time soon.

To a degree, I am sad over what is going on over there. All right. Twice, the japanese people launched major attack on Korean penninsula. What does that have to with the Japanese now? I am not saying we should just forget what had transpired in the past. What I am concerned is that the legacy of Japanese invasion shouldn't hamper both Japan and Korea to move forward in the future - Past can't possibly be equal to the future, and the people in both countries don't seem to realize this.

P.S. Not all Koreans agree to the propaganda. A number of people *that I know of* expressed concerns over whatever the kids were learning, as much as I can tell you all.

This post has been edited by cuchulainn on Nov 7 2005, 04:22 AM

It's my understanding that ownership of the islets will not expand the current exclusive economic zone of either country as such an expansion can only accomplished by island ownership, not feature ownership. As the Liancourt Rocks are internationally recognized as being features rather than islands, no change in the EEZs would occur.

Contrary to your understanding, Gord, that's exactly what they (Korean teachers in Korean school) were teaching in school back then. It seems as though, that trend hasn't changed.

This post has been edited by cuchulainn on Nov 7 2005, 04:07 AM

NOOOOO!!!! It's starting ALL OVER AGAIN!!!

Also, Why use the Hound of Culain as your name? I remember my mother telling me that story. It always ended with, "and he was the best Red Branch knight of all." [/NOSTALGIA]