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October 8, 2009 2:19 PM PDT

MySQL ex-CEO tells EU to let Oracle buy Sun

by Stephen Shankland

Former MySQL leader Mårten Mickos on Thursday urged European Union regulators to approve Oracle's acquisition of Sun Microsystems and its MySQL database group, arguing that further waiting undermines the very competitiveness the EU is trying to protect.

In a letter to Neelie Kroes, the European Commission's commissioner for competition, Mickos said the regulators were correct to question whether Oracle buying Sun and its open-source database software would harm the market. But Mickos, who ran MySQL from 2001 until 2009, believes that the Oracle acquisition won't hurt competition--and that holding the acquisition up will:

"Every new day of uncertainty is potentially very harmful to the various businesses of Sun, reducing competition in the market. A delay in the closing of this transaction is therefore only going to work against the respectable goal that you set out to achieve when launching the probe into this acquisition," Mickos wrote in the letter. (See this separate post with the full text of Mickos' letter to the EU.)

Mårten Mickos

Mårten Mickos, surrounded by inflatable MySQL dolphin mascots.

(Credit: Benchmark Capital

It's not clear what effect Mickos' letter will have on the regulators, but Mickos knows MySQL's business well, and Oracle can use any help it can get in dealing with the acquisition. The U.S. Department of Justice approved the Sun acquisition in August.

Mickos, now entrepreneur in residence at Benchmark Capital, said in an interview that he no longer has anything financially to gain from the transaction. Instead, he's motivated now by trying to help the employees still at Sun--and moreover, its MySQL unit--urging rational discussion about the matter.

"I couldn't live with the fact that I'm not taking action," Mickos said.

Mickos declined Oracle's advances when MySQL was independent, but he agreed to Sun's acquisition in 2008.

In September, the European Commission said MySQL was at the heart of its investigation of the Sun acquisition:

The Commission's preliminary market investigation has shown that the Oracle databases and Sun's MySQL compete directly in many sectors of the database market and that MySQL is widely expected to represent a greater competitive constraint, as it becomes increasingly functional.

The Commission's investigation has also shown that the open-source nature of Sun's MySQL might not eliminate fully the potential for anticompetitive effects. In its in-depth investigation, the Commission will therefore address a number of issues, including Oracle's incentive to further develop MySQL as an open-source database.

Oracle Chief Executive Larry Ellison said MySQL competes in a different part of the database market than Oracle's existing products and that Oracle has no plans to spin MySQL off into a separate company.

Mickos summarized his argument this way:

1. Oracle has as many compelling business reasons to continue the ramp-up of the MySQL business as Sun Microsystems and MySQL previously did, or even more.

2. Even if Oracle, for whatever reason, would have malicious or ignorant intent regarding MySQL (not that I think so), the positive and massive influence MySQL has on the DBMS market cannot be controlled by a single entity--not even by the owner of the MySQL assets. The users of MySQL exert a more powerful influence in the market than the owner does.

MySQL is used to power large-scale Web sites with many servers, a role for which Oracle's back-end database software isn't suited, he argued. It's therefore in Oracle's interest to boost the MySQL business, Mickos said.

As evidence for his case, Mickos pointed to Oracle's 2005 acquisition of InnoDB, whose database engine software is used within MySQL. "Oracle increased their investment in InnoDB since that time, making MySQL a stronger player in the market," he said.

And perhaps reflecting his new role at a venture capital firm, Mickos concluded with a note about the broader effect of the EU's actions:

"If...it becomes difficult or impossible for large companies to acquire open-source assets, then venture investments in open-source companies will slow down, harming the evolution of and innovation in open source, which would result in decreased competition," he said.

Stephen Shankland writes about a wide range of technology and products, but has a particular focus on browsers and digital photography. He joined CNET News in 1998 and since then also has covered Google, Yahoo, servers, supercomputing, Linux and open-source software, and science. E-mail Stephen, or follow him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/stshank.
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by rmullen0 October 8, 2009 4:59 PM PDT
Screw Oracle. I hope the EU blocks. I hope they block the Sun/Oracle merger in general.
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by pokiri October 8, 2009 8:24 PM PDT
If the deal is blocked Sun will be the umtimate loser ( they were already losing, but this will accelerate it . Isn't it what the IBM/HP/MSFT want ?). And the SAP guys also might be behind the EU nitpicking MySQL. I think Oracle will nurture MySQL to beat MSFT in that particular smaller scale db segment.
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by avikas October 8, 2009 9:33 PM PDT
A lot of small and large companies depend heavily on MySQL. Oracle's acquisition of MySQL is bad bad bad for the IT industry. Oracle has no interest in Sun's hardware business, just in stomping out MySQL and get a monopoly. Look at all the database companies that have been swallowed by Oracle - have there been any option except purchase *heavy* Oracle after these database companies have been swallowed?

This deal should be blocked and rejected. I wish the big enterprises like Yahoo, etc. who are users of MySQL would stand up and speak up...
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by renGek October 9, 2009 12:03 PM PDT
Oracle has acquired quite a few companies in the last 5 years and some of those acquisitions...they just bought out so that they can kill it off and not compete with their core products.
by asoltesz October 9, 2009 12:47 AM PDT
Now would be the best time for PostgreSQL related people and companies to create a MySQL to PostgreSQL migration pack.

PostgreSQL remains to only truly independent database now.
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by mbenedict October 9, 2009 2:45 AM PDT
At this point it's hard if not impossible for any other open source database to really compete with MySQL. There isn't going to be a huge migration. Even if Oracle cripples the MySQL business unit (which I don't believe they will), the community will fork the code to new projects and most people will migrate to these new options instead of to PostgreSQL.

Pity, because in so many ways PostgreSQL is better to MySQL. It's the same with FreeBSD... in my opinion FreeBSD is the superior server OS compared to Linux, but unfortunately has just a tiny fraction of the open-source mindshare.
by richard993 October 10, 2009 6:59 AM PDT
@mbenedict
You can fork the project, but you can't call it MySQL because that's a trademarked term and Oracle will own the asset after the purchase. Even if you fork it and call it ABetterSQL, it will take a long time to gain momentum and have enough developers, commercial backing, marketing, brand recognitions and so on... By claiming that you can successfully fork a project into a new one and most people will migrate, it shows that you have very little understanding of open source projects and the amount of work that is required to make them successful. Linux did not become successful in a year, it took several years, a lot of governance and support from hundreds of thousands of developers including many large commercial organisations such as IBM, Sun, Oracle, Novel, RedHat, etc... etc...
Do you think that any of these commercial entities will be willing to put a single developer onto your MySQL fork, especially since most of them have a highly profitable database system already? Good luck with that. The answer is to stop this acquisition. Oracle is not trying to get past the regulators to support and provide a free SQL database for everyone, they are doing this to make money because they see an opportunity.
by mbenedict October 12, 2009 9:53 AM PDT
@richard993:

I completely disagree. If Oracle shutters MySQL not only will we see a new fork, large commercial organizations WILL JUMP IN immediately. The reason is simple: many large companies have MySQL codebase integrated into their products. and services. The opportunity for someone to step in will be large.

In fact I predict just the exact opposite: in the aftermath of a MySQL closure, so many commercial players will want to jump in at once, the danger is splitting the existing MySQL community rather than any lack of commercial backing.

If you think companies with $$$ on the line will just let a key piece of technology they depend on falter because of this -- when it costs them pennies-on-the-dollar to support a strong fork -- you very little understanding of how commercial enterprises work.
by rdupuy11 October 9, 2009 6:56 AM PDT
It's no accident that people are concerned about Oracle, but Sun cannot emerge from this as an independent company now. I agree with the sentiment that competition is only going to be fostered by going forward now, otherwise, you lose one competitor, Sun.

As far as mySQL goes, what about its free to use, open source, anyone can modify it, create their own version, give away downloads of it...cannot ever be changed by anyone...do they not understand. It's open source licensed, c'mon.
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by chris_d October 9, 2009 9:12 AM PDT
I agree. If this deal is rejected, Sun is gone. IBM has already poured the FUD on Sun customers and stolen business. If Sun goes away, it's great news for IBM, HP, and MSFT. Oracle really isn't even in the same market as MySQL. MySQL's main competition is MS SQL. The best thing for competition is to let this deal go forward, even as much as I hate seeing Sun becoming a part of Oracle.
by richard993 October 10, 2009 6:45 AM PDT
Oracle can still kill MySQL. It will own its assets and the trademark, and can stop anyone or charge anyone from using the term MySQL. There are several strategies that can be used to kill an open source project:
1) discontinue supporting MySQL, prevent anyone else from using the trademark and move customers across to Oracle. They will have all the customer emails for anyone who has downloaded the software after the acquisition and can begin their marketing campaigns.
2) they can decide to not to document the software, making it difficult to support so that customers will be forced to buy training and support, unless another company has the time and resources to go through all the source code, understand it and document it for everyone.
3) they can extend the software with proprietary components which will require purchasing a license, such as advanced clustering and availability components. By extending, I'm not talking about changing the source code, but by creating interfaces which will allow them to work around the open source licensing model.

This acquisition should be stopped by the regulators. Once approved, there is no way to retract and split MySQL from Oracle.

Despite what some people think, Oracle and MySQL are direct competitors... they are both enterprise class databases used by small and large organisations... by private and public companies... by government, by schools and by web hosting companies... by systems small and large.

MySQL has a huge user base. Just because a large portion of MySQL users are small businesses, it doesn't mean that they don't compete with Oracle. There are still a lot more large businesses that use MySQL than those that use Oracle (in terms of installation base, not in terms of revenue). The problem is that it is not in Sun's best interest to reveal some of these facts.

Regulators should gather as much information as possible about Oracle intentions. This acquisition will substantially reduce competition in the market place... I have not doubt in my mind that consumers will suffer in the end.
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by scwuffy October 11, 2009 1:50 AM PDT
Sun & Oracle have long had a close & relatively lucrative relationship. This buyout will (hopefully) save Sun's assets from a complete fold. One of Oracle's CEO's statements suggested that this will give them a start in hardware as well as an expansion of the software business. Also they have indicated that the OpenSolaris side will also continue.
Maybe, just maybe all you doomsayers are wrong...I hope so, otherwise what a real pity.
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