George Wood Pigman IV
This is twenty-seven year old George Wood Pigman IV. George comes from a well-educated upper middle class family from Pasadena, California. Both of George’s parents are college professors. His mother taught at Pasadena City College and his father currently holds a position at the prestigious Cal Tech University. George entered Pasadena City College in 2001 as a Journalism major.
Unlike his parents, George was not much of a student, apparently, because four years later in 2004, he was still attending classes at the junior college with no sign of an Associates Degree. George’s friends from high school recall him as being a “risk taker” who enjoyed using illegal drugs such as hallucinogenic mushrooms and methamphetamine. George had better things to do then to study, obviously.
According to court records, George had a minor run-in with the law when he was busted for petty theft and possession of less than one ounce of marijuana. George was known to steal from friends and family to support his drug habit. George did not seem to mind or care that he had a pattern of systematically fucking off every good opportunity which he had been handed ex nihlo. Puttering through life, George was quickly becoming a drug addicted, uneducated, loser.
Enter Eimi Yamada, a twenty one year old foreign exchange student from Japan. Eimi had moved to the the United States to study at the Pasadena Poly Language Institute. Eimi decided to take some ESL classes at Pasadena City College and that is where she met George, the “Big Man On Campus”. George and Eimi hit it off, and I suspect that this was solely due to the fact that many things are “lost in translation”.
George was eventually expelled from Pasadena City College in Spring of 2004 when he failed to attend a disciplinary hearing pertaining to an alcohol violation which he had incurred on the campus. Eimi continued to take classes at the Poly Language Institute and attend ESL courses at night. Boyfriend George stole from Eimi on a regular basis to buy drugs and admitted to cheating on her multiple times. I am certain that the two argued frequently in regard to George’s shortcomings as I am positive that they became increasingly more evident to Eimi as time went on.
On the date of May 6th, 2005, George was hanging out with a friend when he asked to borrow a cell phone to place a call to Eimi. George’s friend testified in court that he heard George arguing with Eimi over the phone. Enraged, George hung up the phone and told his friend that Eimi wanted to end their relationship.
The two must have made up quickly because the following day, May 7th,, George joined Eimi at her rented apartment in San Gabriel. The two spent the day with one of Eimi’s close friends. The friend would later testify that George continued to excuse himself on numerous occasions to go outside and “get high”. However, the friend did not notice anything out of the ordinary.
According to court documentation, after Eimi’s friend left the house, Eimi and George had consensual sex. No reports thus far indicate if George ejaculated prematurely but I speculate that this was also a regular occurrence for the couple. Ha Ha.
Several hours later, Eimi’s downstairs neighbor was awakened to the couple arguing very loudly. George was heard yelling while Eimi was heard “begging, pleading, and crying”. The neighbor testified that she heard Eimi call for help. A loud and heavy thumping noise quickly followed those cries. Then silence. The neighbor contacted the police.
When police arrived to the apartment, they saw a trail of blood which was coming from the bathroom. In the bathroom, police found Eimi dead, lying on the floor naked, bloodied, and battered. She had what appeared to be multiple stab wounds. A few feet away from Eimi’s body, a pair of blood stained salad tongs were observed.
Coroners would later confirm that Eimi was beaten by George and then stabbed to death with the salad tongs. George would eventually write out the details of the murder in a journal which was confiscated from his cell in Twin Towers.
“I tried to choke her. She was yelling and kicking and not dying….I had to kill her. I looked around for a knife or something. I picked up a pair of semi-sharp salad tongs. I chased her into the bathroom. I started stabbing.”
As the police discovered Eimi’s body, a neighbor about one block away from the apartment complex also contacted police, concerned that someone was on his roof trying to break into his home. Police were dispatched to the residence and they immediately noticed George Wood Pigman IV, on the roof top. The responding Officer reported that George was naked and pacing back and forth. He was making noises, but not speaking coherent words. George’s hands were covered in Eimi’s blood and he was playing with his genitals.
Officers then saw the bloody trail which led all the way from the neighbors roof top back to Eimi’s apartment bathroom. When the trail of blood was followed back to the apartment, police discovered identification belonging to George. George was swiftly arrested. He was transported to a nearby hospital for observation. A short while later, George was released from the hospital and transported by Deputy Sheriffs to the infamous Twin Towers prison located in Los Angeles. While riding in the vehicle, George made this statement to the Deputy:
“You know, I shouldn’t be telling you this, but the only way to fight this is temporary insanity.”
And then it was “show time”. From the first moment that George stepped foot into the Twin Towers facility, he did everything in his power to convince professionals that he was insane. First, George acted up by taking his clothes off and sitting in his jail cell naked. When that did not get him the attention he wanted, he started spitting on Officers. George then started to act out aggressively and display inappropriate sexual behaviors.
Eventually, George was deemed a “threat to himself and others” and was transferred to the mental health unit for an evaluation. The Nurse who completed the intake with George noted in her patient logs that his behavior seemed “over the top”. She further commented that George seemed to be purposefully answering questions as illogically as possible. Basically, staff suspected that George was faking mental illness. This is a common incidence in criminal cases. The faking of symptoms for purposes of a known gain is called “Malingering” which is a legal term.
George knew from the very beginning that to get a lesser sentence in a mental institution instead of an actual prison, he would have to claim “temporary insanity”. This time around, he was not all that convincing and as a result, he was released back into general population.
George knew he had to put on the performance of his life if he was going to get that mental health diagnosis which he so desperately needed. Without a diagnosis, George knew that he could not claim temporary insanity and that he would be facing twenty five years to life in prison. In Los Angeles. In general population. George knew he was going to be chewed up and spit out. He knew he would be someone’s bitch. He needed to convince staff that he was really insane.
George began displaying textbook examples of “delusions of grandeur”. George started to make outlandish statements, claiming to have ongoing communication with George W. Bush and rapper, 50 Cent. George made absurd proclamations, insisting that he was God and that the world was coming to an end, and only he could stop that from happening. He continued to have outbursts and behave in an aggressive and sexually inappropriate manner.
George was sent back to the mental health unit for further evaluation. Instead of emerging with well-deserved Oscar, George came out with a Golden Ticket. The coveted diagnosis of Bipolar I with Psychotic Episodes. Bravo, George, Bravo.
Once he received his diagnosis, George’s defense attorneys quickly went to work. George entered a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity on October 2nd, 2006. George’s defense team initially pushed that the charges be reduced from murder in the first degree to involuntary manslaughter due to George’s “impaired mental state”. After much delay, the case finally went to trial in 2009.
On February 19th 2009, Los Angeles Deputy D.A. Sullivan, in closing arguments, reminded Jurors that George’s mental health had never been called into question until after his actual arrest. She stated that “The only evidence you have of that (insanity) comes from after the crime maybe something changed after he entered men’s jail, but it wasn’t that way when he killed Eimi.”
The Jurors first deliberated on the charges against George. On February 23rd the Jury determined that he was guilty of first degree murder. As the verdict was read, George sat motionless. The same Jury then reconvened on that same day to determine if George was insane at the time of the murder. On March 6th, 2009, The Jury determined that he was insane at the time that he killed Eimi Yamada. That’s right people, those 12 jackasses swallowed Pigman’s bullshit story hook, line and sinker. George would face the Judge at a later date for sentencing purposes. He is expected to be sentenced to a state mental hospital when he returns to court March 30
So Georgie played his little game, and the Jury fell for it. George Wood Pigman IV never had the odds stacked against him. He was not mentally ill. He came from a good family who supported him and encouraged education, which he screwed off in exchange for partying. George Wood Pigman IV is a cowardly, selfish, drug addicted, greedy, thieving, cheating, lying little bastard.
The way I see it is that there was only one actual factor which George did have against him from the get go. And that was his jacked up birth name. I am sure that it provided his classmates in grammar school with several hours of entertainment at his expense. PIG-MAN. That is one fucked up name. And his middle name is “Wood”, too. Ha Ha..
But if we’re lucky George, you’ll have to roast in the afterlife. So, roast little piggy, roast. Roast for murdering a young girl who had her whole life ahead of her. Roast for your crappy little rouse of mental illness in a pathetic attempt to skirt murder a charges and prison time. And please, let me be the first to congratulate you by shoving that proverbial apple into your lying mouth.
Does George Wood Pigman IV Deserve Hell?
- Yes (95.0%, 199 Votes)
- No (5.0%, 11 Votes)
Total Voters: 210
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Absolutely does not deserve to live.
okay so im lost didn’t they say he was insane or he was not insane which one is it. Regardless MOMWHOCARES he deserves HELL AFTER HELL!!!!!
absolutely is right sorry forgot to add that
Salad tongs? Really?
IT’s nice to see that the jury didn’t fall for his temporary insanity BS. Good job, guys.
Ironic isn’t it? He goes from salad tongs to salad tossing.
Nice.
Tito, that is a good one. LOL.
Bravo to the jury for not buying this asshole’s insanity routine. He is clearly just some whiny little asshole who simply didn’t get his way all the time, and thought instead of him being wrong, others were ALWAYS wrong. I hope he burns.
Normally I agree with the judgements this great websites bestows but for some reason, I’m thinking this guy is legitimately coo-coo-ka-choo. This is probably the only one in months that I feel this way.
Regardless, if that girl was my daughter I’d still want him dead – crazy or not.
Great site! I’m happy that there is a site out there that attempts to tell the real truth instead of the candy coated newspaper versions of the story. Thanks!
You’re welcome Peecho, and welcome to PYSIH. By no means do we think we’re infallible, but you can bet your life we’ll always call’em like we see’em. So don’t be afraid to voice your opinion, even if it’s contrary to the norm, because I’ll always have you’re back.
Max The Cat
Editor, PYSIH
I hope they stab him in his rectum in prison. Repeatedly.
Yeah, this one is worse than the ones who grow up with horrible parental units and the deck stacked against them. But I am afraid we will be seeing more of these kinds of privileged losers. I just have to wonder why the parents let him slide along like that? If that were my kid, he would have been set on the straight and narrow whenever he first started to slip.
Not blaming the parents (yet) but something isn’t right here. Either he really is a loon, in which case they should have gotten help for him, or he was just a sniveling, whiny “entitled” suburban brat, in which case he needed a boot up his ass. Could we have parents who are so concerned with their own needs that the kid falls through the cracks?
Regardless, you all know my vote on this one. Hell. End of discussion.
You know I’ve heard on a few occasions that drug use by adolecents can cause permanent brain damage.. If he used drugs, especially a brain rotting one like meth, it could very well have damaged that part of the brain used in judgment..
I’m not saying that excuses him from what he did.. He knew very well what he was doing when he did it, a fact made obvious by his diary entry, and by the declaration to the sherrif’s deputies that he was going to plead insanity.. but it might explain how a low-level idiot becomes a violent murderer.. especially when nothing about his childhood was traumatic enough to warp him..
You are right on, Min. I have been studying the brain development of adolescents, and the frontal cortex, which is responsible for good decision making is the last part to fully develop. That’s why there are so many teens who engage in risk-taking behaviors, because the amygdala part of the brain makes the decisions (at least they THINK that’s whats going on in there, lol). Anyway, it would stand to reason that if the teen uses psychotropic or other brain injuring drugs during this crucial development period, the cortex might not develop properly. As it is now, the “experts” say that the brain is not fully formed in a normal human until about age 24.
Regardless, this guy was 27. Still at home? Still in local 2-year college? No job? no responsibilities? Something is very, very wrong there. The report says there was no psych history before, so what kind of problems WERE there? It’s not normal for a family to continue to support a 27-year old like that, which suggests that either he had some serious issues, or the family is just completely dysfunctional.
I can’t say for sure what was going on with that.. It could be possible that both of his parents felt responsible for his behavior.. felt as if they had a hand in the person he’d become.. They were both college professors.. that means they were probably very busy.. Now keep in mind I’m just speculating here.. They probably gave him whatever he wanted to make up for their lack of real parenting.. Perhaps they felt that he needed some kind of “supervision” because of the trouble he’d gotten into.. or maybe they just gave up on him, and instead of letting him live in a crack-house or end up jail, they let him stay.. a lot of parents just give up like that..
Now I wouldn’t hold his parents souly responsible for what he did, or who he became.. but like so many tragic incidents that happen in life, there are many things that lead up to it.. So many mistakes..
I don’t start out pointing the finger at anyone but the criminal, but when the parents/spouse/victim/whoever has some blame, I don’t hesitate to call it out.
Something seems really hinky here, and you may be right. The parents might have simply given up trying to fix their problem manchild, but I still have this really uneasy feeling about it. If he was crazy then they should have gotten him help, and if he was just uncontrollable, then maybe they dropped the ball in raising him.
It’s just sad to see a guy who seems to have been privileged with everything from a comfortable socioeconomic background, to intelligence, to attractiveness, and yet who is a complete worthless fuckup.
Hey Max,
Good story, but you really need to check your facts a bit better. This ass***e was found insane by the jury. A google search finds a bunch of articles…
http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_11856299
The worst part, from that article,
“Then potentially they can place him in an outpatient type of housing situation and conceivably release him,”
That’s unlikely of-course, but he’s not going into general pop, he’s going to a cushy mental health camp.
–kirk
I disagree Kirk – the worst part of that article is: “He’ll probably be placed there [the mental health facility] for the rest of his life, unless he regains his sanity”
REGAINS his sanity? THAT pisses me off. This little shithead is going to spend the next umpteen years figuring out how to beat the system again. He beat it once to get in, now he needs to beat it again to get out. His victim wasn’t Ronald Regan and he isn’t a household name like John Hinkley, so how much do you want to bet he’ll miraculously “recover” in a few years and be out on the street before you know it?
Thanks for the tip Kirk – I fixed up the article. I screwed the pooch big time on the fact checking with this story. Totally unacceptable.
Sorry about that Max. I don’t know where I got that information, I tried back checking the articles which I used but couldnt find why I would have written that he was found sane. My profuse apologies to the Editor and the readers. I will double check next time, that’s for sure.
Too bad they really didnt find the little nimrod sane.
poptart1=reason why you shouldn’t drink and type.
Max – you have GOT to stop saying “screwed the pooch”. The mental image of a sweet little kitty mounting a pitbull just jumps in my head every time you say it. {grin}
Whew! Once you put it that way, I see what you mean Maz. Pretty damn frightening….
LOL. I’m just kidding Max. You keep on saying it. It’s part of your charm. =)
Have fun in the california state prison system.
I do believe that things happen out of passion that cause you to react in a way that you wouldn’t normally react. I also believe that people really are crazy sometimes and do things that seem normal to them but crazy to us, but I do not believe that to be the case in this story. This “thing” wanted control over that woman and he wasn’t going to stop until he got it. I would also reason that this wasn’t the first time that he hit her. He probably thought someone from another country would put up with his bullcrap just so that she could say that she was dating an American.
Can we vote on the jury members as well?
He will burn forever in hell.
I totally agree with you and I like your site. I do feel however whilst telling these tales of wrongdoings you are definitely introducing a whole hell of a lot of speculation towards the way these people are perceived in their real lives and making broad generalizations about them. I do like the site because I like to read about the sick depraved people of the world so that I may some day avoid me or my family becoming one of their victims. I do not really condone elevating the readers disdain for the subject and then casually asking them at the end what the subject “deserves”. I mean I personally think all of the people who make it to this site should rot in hell in one way or another. I guess it all comes down to the fact that unless you have ever actually been insane which I have not you cannot pass judgment on someone who is. Sadly however we live in a world where sanity can only be speculated and not legitimately measured. I believe this kid did it and knew he was doing it but this article would have captured my attention more if I knew what this kid stood to gain from killing this girl in the first place. I would really like to know what his alternate life situation would have been if she had dumped him and what kind of life he would have been subject to with his parents. Rich kid or not that doesn’t tell us anything about how his parents treated him. Maybe they did really send him over the edge? who knows…?
Yes Sean, we do speculate. And you will notice that our speculations are normally made in the form of a question, or a possibility, rather than as absolute fact. Those “broad generalizations” that you mention are called “schemas” and they are exactly what help you protect you and your family from becoming victims.
Many of us use this board as a place to try to come to grips with society and to try and find ways to possibly help in the future. No one who is a regular here would ever NOT call 911 now if we heard suspicious noises, whereas we might have not wanted to get involved before. No one here would NOT call CPS if we saw a child with bruising or knew that a family had a child who we never ever saw. And some of us are either in careers that actually help victims, or plan to in the future. And some of us maybe come here just to remind ourselves that our particular life is not so shitty by comparison.
Sean, why can’t I pass judgment on others? The only reason anyone has ever give is because THEIR God forbids it, whilst ignoring the fact that their bible most certainly does not, and in fact actually tells people that they MUST judge others. All the while ignoring the idea that even if they are right about their God’s desires – he may not be MY God.
Insanity? No – I have never been there. But that does not mean that I don’t know about it. I STUDY it, which probably makes me more aware of it from a societal point than someone who just lives it. And, no matter how much one suffers from it, it is not right to inflict them on society if they cannot control themselves or be controlled.
And just as an aside here – we all KNOW that we don’t have any impact on what happens to the criminals, murderers and rapists on this site. The Hell vote is just a virtual way for us to let out our frustrations.
Sean, I certainly would not contribute to a site named “People You’ll See In Hell” if I didn’t think that the persons that I wrote about belonged anywhere else but in that fiery pit. Shoot, I would like to personally boot the majority of the fucktards there myself. But one can only dream. I digress.
It is a matter of writing style, I think. Some writers use more of a “recreation dramatization” tone to their stories while others are less opinionated and more no nonsense. Neither style is better than the other, just a matter of personal preference.
Please, people. I’ve been Bipolar 1 for thirty years. I’ve been in more group sessions and mental hospitals than all of you combined. And there’s one thing I can say about crazy people….they’re not just “suddenly” crazy, or crazy “just once.” People who are certifiably mentally ill are PERMANENTLY crazy from a young age, say, late adolescence at the oldest.
So I can definitely state that this little PIG MAN was thinking mighty fast about how he could get away with the least sentence from the time he came down off of whatever he was getting high off of outside the apartment. Not many drugs could explain it. PCP, maybe. He might have been stupid enough to smoke PCP.
Regardless, Georgie is NOT crazy, just smart like a fox.
Come on, guys. You know when someone is ACTUALLY crazy. And it’s not just ten convenient minutes after you murder your girlfriend.
Right on to that. Amen.
“George Wood Pigman IV is a cowardly, selfish, drug addicted, greedy, thieving, cheating, lying little bastard.”
Amen.
I have never seen an article so accurately describe a sociopath in my life.
I was in the jury selection phase of this trial. I was not picked. The defense let me go. I followed the case in the news on the net. I did not go to the trial because I was unavailable but if I had been I would have gone to watch. I don’t get how he gets 1st Degree Murder but he gets insanity at the same time? If he was insane there is no 1st Degree Murder but they are saying both are in found to be true. I was under the belief that if he was found insane there was no murder crime but I read later he was found insane yet a 1st Degree Murder was found to have happened.
On the last day I was there for selection the family of Miss. Yamada was in court. At least that’s who I thought it was. The mom was weeping, the father had a stone like face, so did the grandfather. The person I think was her brother was in total shock, you could tell my his face. I normally don’t cry but man my heart was heavy with tears and I could of balled if I didn’t hold it in when I saw the family there.
One thing is that when I heard the name of the victim on the first day I nearly passed out because I watch TV shows that are documentaries on crime and I hear the names of victims and it’s sad but it’s still TV but in court it was the real deal to me and I was saddened and floored knowing that this girl is no longer living among us because this looser George Pigman IV decided to take her life. It’s sad and I am positive he deserved prison time not mental ward time. Then again I was not in the actual trial just in the jury selection and all I did was read the news on it but I believe that he could have prevented this death of her’s and it was not an insane issue. Being bad doesn’t mean insane. If I was on the Jury I would have not found him to be insane. The other 11 would have not liked me much holding up their votes but hey I’d vote as I see it. He was bad and a junky who should have left her alone. My heart goes out to the family of the victim and her friend.
JD, that is pretty crazy. But take solice in the fact that you were not picked for the jury because you have a brain and common sense. The defense could have never had people with half a brain on the jury and come out with a verdict of guilty on murder one, yet insane. Unbelievable.
This was a horrible crime and PIGman got away with murder, basically. I would have had a hard time also, seeing Eimi’s family grieving, wow.
Yes indeed it was tough seeing the family there. The hardest part of the selection process was that. When we first were let in the court I saw Pigman and I though he’s young to be a trial lawyer (not thinking the defendant would be there during the process). Thought he’s a lawyer maybe to learn the process but when they said that that was the defendant and he was up for the murder of his girlfriend a cold feeling came thru my body. I am serious. It was sickening.
I think this is a kid I had in my art classes. He was one of my students and I also worked with his mother. She is a ceramics teacher, correct?
Depression runs deep in that family. Not an excuse, no way.
He needs to pay the piper.
Just was looking for info on him since the conviction and can not find out where he was sent to. Not to prison since he was found “insane” at the time of the commission of the crime. But what mental institution? Is it for life or until he is proven to be rehabilitated? To me he knew what he was doing and was just plain bad not insane but the jury saw otherwise.
Does anyone else thing that he kinda looks like DEXTER>?
If her friend testified that he was going outside to take smoking breaks before the murder isn’t that proof that he was high on meth by his own will not naturally insane, he was high and f’d up and should do his time but I would expect his parents pulled some strings to get him to where he is now getting the easy way out
I actually knew George personally for many many years he was friends with my brother Jesse roommates for about a year in Pasadena. The only disagreement i have with you is that i always thought he was indeed insane, he had alot of mental problem and adding drugs to the mix did not help and caused everyone that did try to help him to abandon him. He has written me several times and i have never responded, I’m so very sad someone died at his hand but it was bound to happen sooner or later.
George was one of my best friends growing up. We skated together everyday for years starting when we were 13 until our 20’s. He was a staple in my house as I was in his. All this bullshit I hear constantly about his drug abuse is exactly that, bullshit & speculation.
I in no way condone what happened. Its awful to think about. George was a great kid and one of the most genuine people I have ever known. Who knows what happened? I just know that George was lost in those last couple of years. People need to shut the fuck up because they do not know what happened. Only he does. I pray for George, his family and the girl he slain.
Hey Carlos, I know someone else who knows what happened. Eimi Yamada knows exactly what happened, but of course, she’s not going to tell anyone, thanks to your great and genuine friend.
I had a reputation for doing a lot of drugs, which wasn’t all that surprising, since I did a lot of drugs. I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts that George didn’t get his reputation as a drug abuser because he went to church every Sunday and liked chocolate chip cookies. Especially since the police investigated him thoroughly after he stabbed Eimi to death.
But let’s forget about the drugs. George Pigman is plenty evil just being Georg Pigman. He was judged guilty but insane but twelve laymen who got fooled by a bunch of psychobabble. His “diagnosis” in no way relieved his responsibility for murdering Eimi. He was high on something – Crank most likely – so how do you distinguish the effects of the drugs from the so called temporary insanity? It seems obvious to me that he “became mentally ill” after he was arrested, and George had to try a couple of different approaches before he got the shrinks to bite.
“George Wood Pigman IV is a cowardly, selfish, drug addicted, greedy, thieving, cheating, lying little bastard.”
I couldn’t have said it any better myself.
Max, we love you in spite of your faults :)
Carlos, I was addicted to Vicoden and Tramadol for three years and my own mother never knew it. It’s very easy to keep a drug habit concealed from friends and family. So it is entirely possible that he WAS in fact on drugs and you would never know.
People who come through addiction are stronger for it. I’ve never met a weak former drug addict. In fact, I’d rather have a former drug addict in my corner than someone who’s never dealt with such a life-affirming, soul-defining experience. I have my own devils, Vicoden having been one of them. Real people have scars. I think you, NavyCop and the rest are awesome because of your faults, not in spite of them. Your faults are what molded you into the people you are. Life isn’t real to some, because they don’t honestly believe in their own mortality until the moment of their death. You’ve both already been confronted with it, and come through it. You know the true value of life.
My best friend of 6 years has recently resigned herself to being an alcoholic because ‘quitting is too hard’, among other things. It’s tough to be strong for such a person. It’s tough to respect them or their opinion.
But yeah, to bring it back on topic.. HOW ‘BOUT THAT PIG-MAN, HUH? Jeez. I have to get that name out of my head or there’s no way I’ll get any work done. There is just too much to lol about! What a loser! Oh well. Psych institutes aren’t heaven either, and yes I speak from experience. Plenty of patients are abused in those facilities. Let’s hope he’s one of them.
*blushing* Thanks VC. It takes will power more than anything and some people just don’t want to cultivate that attribute. It’s a shame.
Yeah. About the Pig Man. He reminds me of that Seinfeld episode: Kramer: “You know, if the pig-man had a car, he’d give you a ride.
roflmao
I used to ice skate with Rob Lowe on the lake behind my house when I was like 7..I even kissed him once.
Ok, so he was my imaginary skating partner/boyfriend…but if he was ever to murder anyone I wouldn’t defend him, same with anyone I know for real…including my mom and she pushed me out of her no-no place. People who defend killers make me feel all pukey inside