Paul Krugman: We Are In Economic "Purgatory" (VIDEO)

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Huffington Post   |  Nicholas Graham
First Posted: 08-23-09 11:22 AM   |   Updated: 08-23-09 12:03 PM

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Despite Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke's upbeat comments Friday that the U.S. economy is on the cusp of recovery, economists Paul Krugman and Robert Reich remain unconvinced that the outlook has gotten that much better.

Krugman acknowledged that we have seen some better economic numbers recently, but lamented our tendency to view the economy in black and white terms when the reality is more nuanced:

We've got a problem with terminology because we usually say either the economy is in recession or the economy is recovering. Either you're in hell or you're in heaven. And the trouble is we're actually in purgatory. We're actually in a situation almost for sure GDP is growing; almost for sure the business cycle leading committee will eventually decide the recession ended this summer. But almost surely also we're still losing jobs. The unemployment rate is going to continue to rise. So we're in that infamous jobless recovery state.

Reich was more blunt in his assessment, telling Stephanopoulos that "anyone who says we're out of the woods, or even moving out of the woods, has got to be lost at sea. There is no evidence that this economy is doing much better. The best that can be said is we're getting worse more slowly."

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Despite Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke's upbeat comments Friday that the U.S. economy is on the cusp of recovery, economists Paul Krugman and Robert Reich remain unconvinced that the outlook ha...
Despite Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke's upbeat comments Friday that the U.S. economy is on the cusp of recovery, economists Paul Krugman and Robert Reich remain unconvinced that the outlook ha...
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- artistcain I'm a Fan of artistcain 2 fans permalink

Again i ask is this county ready for a French style Revolution???
Just make sure you take down the right people and institutions.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 08/24/2009

Highest regards for Robert Reich, but his metaphors are a mess here.


If anyone who says we are out of the woods is out to sea.
And that anyone is one of we.
Then we are indeed out of the woods.
And we are out to sea.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 08/24/2009
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 6 fans permalink

Ronnie "the deregulator" Raygun and his Raygunomics got this whole ball of wax rolling and now we have ended up on the edge of the abyss.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 08/24/2009

You are absolutely right! And the idiots on the Hill and Wall Street still haven't figured out that you can't keep eliminating jobs, pushing down wages while transfering all the wealth to the top 1% and have a healthy "consumer based" economy. "Trickle down" = "Let them eat cake."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 08/24/2009
- didereaux I'm a Fan of didereaux 5 fans permalink

I do not believe they are idiots, nor that they do not understand 'it'. They are mentally unbalanced is becoming clear...the truth is they don't CARE about the consequences! They religiously BELIEVE in Milton Friedmans' fantasy...namely that a country with completely unregulated business, and a government reduced to collecting parking meter fines is Utopia.

These people of Wall Street and politics and business who follow this line of monetary pursuit and policy are zealots, and fanatics, no different in one iota from religious zealots and fanatics.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 08/25/2009
- Telemachus I'm a Fan of Telemachus 47 fans permalink

"This is your captain speaking. I have good news. We are still in a dive, but the rate of the increase in acceleration has diminished somewhat. Also, the pieces breaking off have made us lighter, and the gaping holes in the fuselage are greatly reducing the demands on the air-conditioning system."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 08/24/2009
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lol

i swear this is funny but it may just be cuz of the oxygen mask!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 08/24/2009

country is going down the tubes and there's nothing we can do about it

good articles: http://www.iamned.com

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 08/24/2009
- norkas I'm a Fan of norkas 23 fans permalink

The Republicans want NO laws for Wall Street and the banks after this multi trillion meltdown because of the laws take off the books by Republicans that allowed legal garbage that was worthless to be bundled and sold and we now pay trillions for garbage.

No regulations the Republicans and there numbed minded supporters yell. Now the Republicans leaders of todays are the biggest thieves i have ever seen i history because the majority of them will not protect is against economic ruin because they are being payed off by wall street lobbyist with more then campaign donations.

Some Republicans will profit i by leaving office and having a unreal paying job with a lobbyist firm or wall street for selling out America an promoting NO regulations so the next scam will be worse and take my word this is not over yet .

What you will see uncovered in the next few months will be trillions more of write offs we have to pay for because wall street had a legal tool to make sht into money

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 08/24/2009
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As Paul said: “We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals,” said Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1937. “We know now that it is bad economics.” And last year we learned that lesson all over again.

The right wing stole our government and economic systems for the last couple of decades, dominating the rest of us with their elitist policies. Now the right wing claims that our government is bad for us, and do not want any reform or intervention on behalf of our people. The right wing still insists that regulation is bad, and that the free market is good - both ideas have proven to be miserable failures.

This is our government, and we can make it either good or bad. It is up to us, the people.
I take offense to the right wing continuing to insist otherwise.
They seem intent upon continued destruction of our government, our economy, and regulatory systems. The right wing comes very close to the defintion of a traitor.

Good people of America, stand up for what is right, stand up for your fellow man.
In God I trust.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 08/24/2009
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nice comment, Rick.

hang in there. we the people will take our govt back from the elite. we just need to:

1) identify the bad eggs in govt
2) identify trustworthy americans to replace them
3) promote them on the web like they're the next american idol star, so people know who to vote for
4) enact the necessary laws to cut lobbyist influence, regulate the market, decide whether it is better to nationalize the banks or not, eliminate the Fed, regulate the oil and agra industries, and start subsidizing the green industries to create jobs

once we start building the industry of energy conservation, the jobs will come. there is so much to be done, and people want to work. it's just a matter of having someone HONEST coordinate it, with the goal to be RESULTS, rather than individual profits.

we have to get the GREED out of the equation.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 08/24/2009
- Soulsurfer I'm a Fan of Soulsurfer 21 fans permalink

The PR push to show some improvement in the economy is BS..........still no jobs, costs are not going down, and no infrastructure investments of any meaningful size. Just because the "markets" are doing better doesn't mean jack, but the MSM and investor class like it just fine. Mr. Reich is spot on.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 08/24/2009
- WOODGUN I'm a Fan of WOODGUN 8 fans permalink
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hey, have you seen the latest in Bammernomics? Following the 'huge success' (?????)of the 'cash for clunkers' program (less than 10% of allocated funds paid out due to typical govt admin problems), they are now coming out with 'cash for caskets' where the gubmint will pay to bury yer sorryazz with taxpayer funds - as if there's not enough deficit & debt now!!!! sheesh, what a bunch of m0r0ns!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 08/24/2009
- Buddy McCue I'm a Fan of Buddy McCue 127 fans permalink
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No, that's just the latest in rightwing i diocy.

Last week L imbaugh decided to rename the fictional "death panels" with the new "cash for caskets."

Somewhat more recently, FOX decided to use that same phrase to describe State Programs that provide indigent funerals. I guess they liked the sound of the phrase.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 08/24/2009
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 73 fans permalink
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How about Cash for Wackos as a way to get rid of righties?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 08/24/2009
- Telemachus I'm a Fan of Telemachus 47 fans permalink

That wouldn't work. There's no secondary market for the scrap.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 08/24/2009
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 73 fans permalink
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Instead of showing us your utter !gnorance, you should be going to school and learning the English language, how to spell correctly and use proper grammar. You might get a job better than the McDonald's job you currently have.

And, hey, Super Size me, fella.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 08/24/2009
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this shows how easily led you are.

they are not "coming out" with anything new. homeless people with no surviving family have always had tax paid burials. they don't just toss 'em in the landfill.

how's it feel to be so gullible?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 08/24/2009
- Mark Kraft I'm a Fan of Mark Kraft 10 fans permalink
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Reich is one of the best, most humane, most knowledgeable and down-to-earth individuals out there. It's surprising, frankly, that the Obama administration hasn't put his talents to good use.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 08/24/2009
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 6 fans permalink

Surprising, and worrying, too.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 08/24/2009
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With no accountability for those that have gotten our nation into this disaster, the entire world will see US for what we really are: a FRAUD! The rest of the nations will not want to do any more business with US ever again.

The nation will be shunned. Do you think it isn't happening already?

Karma, (As ye sow, so shall ye reap, for the Christians in the crowd) or retribution will be very, very nasty, but the revulsion with which the rest of the world's nations views the U.S. is understandable.

AAA ratings for everything = fraud
No SEC investigations in to improprieties = fraud
No Upholding the Rule of Law = fraud
CEO pay 100's times that of working man imbalance = massive injustice
Bailout $ apportioned to the the richest = fraud
Not observing the Geneva Conventions, which we signed = fraud
Keeping those that perpetrated crimes in their positions to continue their crimes = no justice = fraud

We were all put on this speeding train when the FED came into existence, and the same greed mentality that caters to unsavory desires of the elites with corporatism and ever-greater profits, at any cost without regard to other human beings.

If their are no changes, then the trajectory remains the same.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 AM on 08/24/2009
- WOODGUN I'm a Fan of WOODGUN 8 fans permalink
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I agree with accountability - throw Barnyard Cranks, Dodd and Bammer in the slammer for the Fannie & Freddie fiasco which started it all - along with the ACORN goons who forced banks to make NINJA loans

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 08/24/2009
- Buddy McCue I'm a Fan of Buddy McCue 127 fans permalink
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What a colorful imagination you have.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 08/24/2009
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 73 fans permalink
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But, before that, let's bring Bush, Cheney and the rest of that criminal gang to justice. You don't have peep to say about that, do you, hypocrite?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 08/24/2009
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 34 fans permalink

I have to agree with it. Everyone knows the USA sold them out selling worthless papers! However, Germany and Japan lost the war to the USA and they kind of have to dance to their tunes.
Merkel will win again because she got the job via help of the CIA. CIA spends millions on elections around the world. See Karzai, the car dealer from Houston. I am sure the Afghanis are sick of him and now this election fraud. The USA won't rope the rest of the world in like they did in the past that is for sure. But then, which corrupt government is not doing the same thing?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 08/24/2009

Payback is hell. A recession started a few months before Clinton left office. Yet the democrats blamed it on Bush. Of course this recession started while Bush was president. We all know that. But if you really want to help the economy you will support small government/free market policies and oppose these ridiculous and wasteful bailouts.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 AM on 08/24/2009
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 73 fans permalink
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You mean more trickle down economics? When they're trickling down urine on us? Fuggeddaboudit, fella.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 08/24/2009
- aofh I'm a Fan of aofh 10 fans permalink

True enough, but what did Bush do to right the economy? When the bottom finally hit the rebound was very, very slow. The massive tax cut that rewarded the richest in 2001 did little to stimulate real growth and probably added to the wealth-effect fueling the housing bubble. Mergers and acquisitions continued at a high rate, outsourcing accelerated for white collar and professional jobs, high-paying engineering jobs were replaced with lower-paying service jobs. As late as 2006 there was little visible change in the commercial ghettos that developed in the wake of the dot-com bust in the area where I live. Bush may have inherited a recession, but he did precious little to improve things and compounded the problems we are facing now with his tax cuts, Iraq war, and lackadaisical oversight.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 08/24/2009
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The economy will recover

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 08/24/2009
- StephenJK I'm a Fan of StephenJK 18 fans permalink

A modern day Nostradamus, you are.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 AM on 08/24/2009
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 73 fans permalink
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Well, it always has, but it has taken two world wars to do it, if you look at the worst depressions of the 20th century.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 08/24/2009
- Gmoney1 I'm a Fan of Gmoney1 15 fans permalink

Where are the Bush economic operatives - why aren't they being interviewed and appearing anywhere on the so call news shows - let them tell us how they let it all go so wrong - six months and it's all Obama's fault - yet the repubs now who were in the majority during Bush years are telling us how they know what's best now -

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 08/23/2009

all you have to do is llisten to Rush L. some; he now refers to the mess as the "Obama Recession"; of course, he knows it started under Bush, but the game is to project off on Obama; the real issue is this obese oxycotinized man-------he should be extracted, somehow------

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 08/23/2009
- Buddy McCue I'm a Fan of Buddy McCue 127 fans permalink
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He should man up and agree to a public debate.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 AM on 08/25/2009

May we stop covering this prune (P.K.) so much; I am a progressive, but I wax weary of this pseudo-pundit; actually, I am weary of all the pundits and media wh....., regardless of party and persuasion; but this guy has had his say AD NAUSEUM, I could spout it in my sleep, and he should shut up and go back to academe (or be swallowed up at a Town Hall meeting-----yea, let him take a Greyhound and go to the trenches for a change). He is doing more harm than good; I would much prefer to hear Eliot Spitzer on the way Treasury is implementing some of this critical stuff, than to hear this all over the place blabbermouth earn some more by yet another commentary-------

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 08/23/2009

You mean the ponzi scheme the Fed is doing. I'm for that, the Fed needs to be investigated.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 08/23/2009
- Harrier I'm a Fan of Harrier 9 fans permalink

The positive news is France, Germany and a parts of Asia are recovering. For the US, positive GDP is occurring because because companies have been laying off. The next wave Business will need to increased GDP based on revenue increases because 70% of the economy is based on consumer spending. There is plenty still a ton of money sitting on the sidelines that is doing nothing and looking for a home. We are at an inflection point. The first place growth should be seen is the retail sector. The best indicator will retail without factoring in Aircraft and and Gas. At this time, consumers are not spending anything beyond the basics. Stimulus packages need to take root now. Technically once GDP shows positive, we are in a recovery mode. Unemployment numbers increase for about 4 months as more and more people who previously gave up looking for jobs, start trying and get back into looking. Generally 6 months after a bottom in a recession do we see unemployment numbers begin to go down. If you believe the recession ended this quarter, that you figure March is when people should start hiring again. That is about the traditional time for hiring. The economy has been so bad for so long, many structural changes (Safeguards) need to prevent the same corruption and build a real economy based on real products and in sourcing jobs back into this country. There is now a light for the unemployed. Just how bright I don't know.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 08/23/2009

Where did you buy those rose colored glasses

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 08/23/2009

your hypothesis is built on some purported "histories"; the current reality is somewhat different----

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 08/24/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 116 fans permalink

1) In past bad times we were not the worlds largest debtor nation, but the worlds creditor nation. We made much of what we buy... None of that is true now.

2) Under Bush it was the first jobless recovery. No net private sector jobs created in now 9 years. Now 7 million MFG jobs lost in 8 years.. the most important jobs in a country.

3) Huge trade deficits which is a hole in our economic bucket were made up for by borrowing money. We are losing that ability. A our one trillion trade deficit per year is a 5 trillion negative impact on the economy (multiplier effect).

4) the entire bBush economy was based on a credit bubble which is gone. It accounted for 14% of our economy and there is nothing now to replace that!

5) outsourcing was accelerating. Bush kept the unemployment numbers low with government jobs, and deciding that 5% less of our population was in the workforce than under Clinton

6) Why would the jobs come back here when you can cut costs by doing what the Fortune 500 has been doing for 20 years...exporting jobs to low wage countries and countries with national healthcare..



Regards

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 AM on 08/24/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 116 fans permalink

Unless we change trade laws, forget Free trade BS that no one else foilows, go to single payer so we can compete withthe rest of the world whose helathcare is less and whose costs are not in the MFG goods and we have a national reindustrialization policy like all of our competitors so we can start making products again... our decline will continue.

And we as 22% of the worlds GDP cant sspent 52% of the worlds militray budget and have 750 bases in 250 foreign countries.

regards

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