Koreans – Original?
August 1st, 2005 . by MattI have assembled a number of things that originate in Korea, indisputably (like Dokdo). Here they are.
Screw you Starbucks, Starpreya is the best!
The origin of Kitkat is Korea! Oops, I mean ‘Kicker’!
Japanese stole our prawns!
And our whales!
These chocolate mushrooms are grown on Dokdo, which is undisputed Korean territory. From 500 BC. Which is how long Koreans have been producing this product. 2500 years before the Japanese!
Surely Chocopie has to be a Korean original, right? Oh, bunk!
Yes, I am slow but I am starting to detect a pattern
Nothing better than a pack of caramel corn after a hard days work
Followed by a Bacchus. The Japanese even copied the number of spurs around the cog wheel exactly. I know this because Dokdo is Korean… Yes…
Ha! Mychew rymes with Hichew! Take that, Ilbon nom!
Forget the watered down Japanese Chu Hi! We have Korean Hi Chu! Made thousands of years ago on Dokdo. Did you know there were people on Dokdo? Yes, the Samguk Sagi tells us that. Common sense tells us that is referring to Ulleungdo, but still…
Seems to be happening to often to be coincidence. Maybe the Japanese are copying Korea again. Like they copied Korean Geisha, which is Korean, as you know
Here is a picture of Japanese Calpis and Korean Coolpis. Korean Coolpis was invented by Koreans hundreds of years ago. All records of this were destroyed by Japanese, at the same time they destroyed the records of Korea ever ruling Dokdo. Koreans enjoy drinking Coolpis in the summer. It is very cool, this Coolpis
Japanese try to say that they introduced Calpis into Korea in 1919. But we dont believe our eyes, do we?
Same granny, different product
You want Puma? Try the original Korean ‘Pama’ instead!
Oh, even Astroboy…
More coincidences! Even Yuri Song from FINKL is wearing the same thing as the members of Japanese girl group, Morning Musume
Again!
Sure but one group doesnt prove a pattern!
This… Proves… Nothing… Kendo, Karate, Cherry Blossoms, Japanese pottery is all Korean bwahahaha
Hahaha, they have been shopping at the same place ^^
Glam is more glamorous than Glay!
Same fashion sense!
Wow! Same two again!
They must go shopping together! Or something…
Japanese textbooks distort history and deny the greatness of the Great Korean Race. However, technical books like this tennis book should be ripped off whenever possible
‘TIME TRAVEL TO THE ROOT OF SAMURAI’? Now Samurai are Korean too? Good grief
The Korean claims are quite staggering, and although there are victims all over the world, they seem to favor ripping off the Japanese. Korean historical claims are extremely shakey, and should be looked at with a critical eye.
It laughed.
笑った。
The rip-off of a motorbike.
バイクのパクリ。
http://nandakorea.sakura.ne.jp/html/bike.html
well, at least cool-piss sounds better than cow-piss.
Nice collection!!!
It really shows Koreans’ shameless mentality.
I think both Japan and Korea ripped off America’s Moon Pie.
somehow these pics remind me when i visited the u.s. first time with my family. my 4 year old daughter happily said, “dad! look! there is a japanese restaurant in the u.s.” she was pointing at a Mcdonald’s.
Disregarding how foolishly petty you are being for the moment, I should point out that while Saulabi is a Korean film, its setting is in Japan.
The movie repeats the baseless claim that the Samurai originated in Korea.
On a more positive note, I’d love to see a list of “Original Korean Thoughts”… I’m sure it would be very short.
I have been told that the portable MP3 player was an original idea from Korea.
Anyway, its no surprise this happens when you have such a narrow education system which breeds people for wrote-learning. I think many of Korea’s societal problems also stem from their embarassing education system which hasn’t been reformed in 500 years.
Given all the copying that Korea does, its no wonder they are a leader in stem cell research and cloning!
so we should call these products results of fine “cloning” instead of copying.
You’re really a freak, Japanese Flute Boy. A lot of these Korean products ARE Japanese, not “copies.” They’re sold in Korea with Korean writing on them. But that doesn’t matter. Koreans are distinctly inferior to Japanese, aren’t they? Your whole site is dedicated to exposing them, isn’t it? Ganbatte! Are you Japanese or a half-breed Japanese? You’ve been asked that many times, why not a straight answer?
I beg to differ. As a reader, you’ve done well in proving that you’re the Japan-bashing, Korean apologist freak. Should I break out Yiddish and call you faegala?
Oh, that’s right. You’ll call me a “dirty Jew” for using Yiddish, though I’m not even Jewish…
What difference would it make if he was half-Japanese? Is that to imply that mixed blood children are inferior?
I smell a Korean, since such an interest in eugenics is part and parcel a product of their education system: foreigners = bad, Japanese = bad, mixed blood = bad….
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Actually, NO. Not all of them are. In fact, many of them are unlisenced knock offs.
This brings me to the legitimate crossover products from LOTTE – a Japanese company. It started off as a manufacturere of chewing gum in Japan in the late fourties. In Korea there is a (wrong) insistance that Lotte is indeed Korean, and that the tycoon behind it is Korean. It isn’t. It is infact Japanese with a Korean subsidiary.
Lotteria – Korean? Nope. Started in Japan. Don’t tell the Koreans.
Many Koreans still insist that Osamu Tezuka’s Astroboy (Tetuwan Atomu) is a Korean creation, created by a Korean. Despite Astroboy being created by an ethnically Japanese man some 15 years before it was swiped by Korea, I think history speaks for itself.
Oh, that’s right: reality and genuine history mean little to Koreans. Only “pure blood.”
Not many, actually. In fact, every single product he hs ited is NOT a lisenced product but a shameless knockoff.
You fail to address the manufactured hangookin pop stars faking the funk from the infinitely more talented, creative Japanese mnufactured pop stars that did the same things FIRST.
Oh, that’s right. Korean arguments will sweep aside the overwhelming facts (bad textbook that shouldn’t be used being considered by only 11 schools. Fuck it, let’s just make it sound like all of Japan will use the book!)
No, it doesn’t, because you can’t insinuate the same about the pop divas and pop goons blatantly ripping off the Japanese originals…
I won’t speak for this blog’s owner, but if
say so…
Man alive, I hope this site IS! Somebody has to do it.
I agree! Good luck adn godspeed, Shak!
Maybe they don’t feel the need to answer because the assholes asking it are racist cocksuckers who like to bash the Japanese for no reson outside of having nothing original to call their own that has made an impact on the world like the Japanese.
The medical term is “penis envy,” though I like Frank Zappa’s lable better: “weenus envy,” because someone posting under “George Bush” has no BALLS.
Keep up the great work, Shak!
I would like to add that “SALUBI” was such a critical and box office bomb that you can find it in record store DVD discount racks in Korea for about four thousand won.
The point is Koreans have claimed “moon pie was invented by Korean”.
It’s cleary copying=violation of copyrights=illegal=crime.
Bob Reemus I am not Korean, just keep rubbing your dick on Shak’s ass, you’re made for each other.
Uh, okay. Are you implying that the Japanese are original?
By the way, what’s with the baseless fashion pictures? Do people expect all entertainment artists to wear different brands of clothing? These instances are far too common to be taken seriously. The sad part is these are really all that the nandekorea site consists of.
So, is this site based around anti-Koreanism/Pro-Japanism? Sure seems like it.
Some of these are blatant rip-offs and it would be nice if the copyright holders would make some effort to enforce the trademarks, but more than a few of the ones you mentioned are licensed products and it says so on the can, bottle, or package. Otsuka Corporation, for example, sells lots of products in Korea. How would I know this? I read the package that says so in Korean. It even has the website in English right on the can:
Relax Time… TEJAVA
http://www.donga-otsuka.co.kr
Hi Kushibo. Specifically, which ones are the licensed ones?
Hi Kushibo. Specifically, which ones are the licensed ones?
I would have to go to the supermarket to find out which ones are and which ones aren’t, and even then a lot of the information would have to be checked on-line.
Donga-Otsuka has an on-line list of some of their products, including Pocari Sweat, just for starters. I know that other companies go into other licensing deals, since we’ve helped create some of their company materials explaining this stuff. It would be a days-long project to check all the stuff on here.
But make no mistake, there are some blatant rip-offs (”Pama” on your website, or some Disney character shirts I saw about ten years ago that said “Donard Duck” and “Goopy” on them), and that’s something that shouldn’t be tolerated, but it’s up to the trademark holder to make sure the trademark is enforced when they see it hurting them (maybe some of them just don’t see it hurting them).
By the way, where did you hear that Koreans “invented” the Choc-Pie? Even on Orion’s own website, it says they “introduced” the Choco Pie in 1974.
Stupid Koreans who only focus to copy from Japan/others ideas..that’s why most of their companies cannot be world class.
From my experiences in Korea, most Koreans shows over-confident on the outside to cover their deep down feelings of shame.
Are you quoting me? Because the word ‘invented’ is used only twice on this page, once in relation to ‘Coolpis’, and once by you.
I know that Pocari sweat is licensed, which is why it is not on this list. Personally, I have tried every product on the list except NURUNJI candy and the Korean version of Fran, so I am positively certain that the others were ‘inspired’ by their Japanese counterpart. The similar but different names should be a clue to the fact that they are being ripped off.
If you find any of the stuff here is actually licensed, ill take it down with explanation/apology.
Firstly, he never said that ALL of the products are Japanese.
Also, I don’t think it’s fair to label Lotte as Korean or Japanese. Sure, the company began in Tokyo, but it was founded by a Korean (Shin Gyeok Ho). Today, Lotte is very successful in both Korea and Japan, with corporate offices and production facilities in both. Personally, when I think “Lotte,” I think Korea, probably due to how much of Lotte is invested into the country. http://www.lotte.com also leads to the Korean site.
The same goes for Lotteria. http://www.lotteria.com (not that domain names matter a great deal).
What’s up with this blog anyway? Seems like all who disagree immediately get labeled as a Korean. Before the accusations start, I am not Korean. I’m not even Asian.
By the way, I’d assume that the shrimp chips, whale things, and mushroom things are all licensed products, seeing as they are manufactured by Orion and Nong Shim. Is the Japanese drink being compared to Bacchus soley because of the cog wheel, or are they also similar drinks? When was the Japanese drink created?
http://photo.jijisama.org/Pakuri01.html
It seems http://photo.jijisama.org is a popular site to rip off from.
If you have something to add to the discussion, lets hear it. Otherwise, I will crack down on trolling hard.
That shrimp chips are not licensed product. Japanese snack food maker Calbee stated it before.
Some of these cases are taken to court. Starbucks filed a lawsuit against Starpreya in March. For Hichew and Mychew, the Japanese manufacturer sued the Korean manufacturer last year. In both cases, the plaintiffs lost! Anyway, they are considered “legal” in Korea.
Your source material, http://photo.jijisama.org, is an anti-Korean website written by a Japanese.
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Outdoors-Marine/1235/ is also a good site to get the biased Japanese viewpoint.
Just wondering if your viewpoint is the same as these Japanese or whether you are just quoting them.
Hahaha. I have seen both of those sites before. The Jijisama site was one of my sources, but certainly not the only one. You percieve the site as being ‘anti Korean’, but what is exactly your problem with the site? Are they lying about something? Or is it the truth that bothers you?
Looking at the ‘Boycott Korea’ site (your second link), it seems to me that they are mainly annoyed with the anti Japanese sentiment emanating from Korea.
If you have a problem with the content on this site or think I am writing something untrue, then speak up. I am open to debate you on it.
the owner of this site is probably some white guy who obsessesion with asian girls has spawned itself into this blog
Hey Bruce, I am hunting you down buddy. Soon I will have your home or work address. Here is what I found out about you so far.
IP: 203.9.248.18
Country: AUSTRALIA
Region: NEW SOUTH WALES
City: SYDNEY
ISP: INTERNET ACCESS AUSTRALIA PTY LTD
The trace I am running shouldnt take much longer.
>If you have a problem with the content on this site or think I am writing >something untrue, then speak up. I am open to debate you on it.
Oh, no problem with the content. Everyone is free to express their opinion (unless they get banned). I was just wondering if what you post is what YOU believe or are you just reported what others think.
>but what is exactly your problem with the site?
No problem with these sites either. Quite interesting in fact.
But, neither “I hate Korea” websites nor “I hate Japan” websites really help the situation.
Perhaps if you tell a little something about yourself in your website, like your philosophy, readers can better understand the content. So far, I feel it is “anti-Korean”
Basically I am a white guy with an interest in both Korea and Japan. However, Korea is quite vexing because Koreans seem to be beset by the most unusual kind of superiority/inferiority complexes. It means that a foreigner can communicate with Koreans and get along just fine, as long as they never discuss certain issues with Koreans (or never disagree with the Koreans if the subject comes up – I know many foreigners that just tell Koreans what they want to hear just to get along, while thinking something else). So basically I want to write some truthful things about Korea on this site (and other things that interest me).
I have an open offer to delete anything on this site that people think is insulting to Koreans, as long as you can demonstrate that it is not true.
Some already asked me if I was anti Korean. The answer is here.
I hope this answer satisfies you. Now that we are on the subject, what is your philosphy?
jijisama.org referes variety of sources include the texts written by korean themselves.
Starbucks and Kitkat and puma are not Japanese company/products.
Thanks kushibo. I withdraw the Otsuka products.
Frankly, RGM-79, I think it’s a bit disingenuous to withdraw products you had made claims were unauthorized copies.
It is absolutely true that there are rip-offs happening, but it’s also true that some people (including you, apparently) are jumping to the conclusion that any copy is unauthorized.
If you thought it was an unauthorized copy and then you realized it’s not, then you should leave it up there with an update note that states: I have been informed this is NOT a copy. Or something like that. Let people see that you are not infallible. Let them realize that even some of the stuff still up on your website might also be authorized and you haven’t realized it yet.
Just taking it off your site with a one-line mention keeps the distortion going.
Minifibre removed from copied products list because it seems that it is indeed a licensed product. Also removed Fran until I can confirm it myself. The remaining food products I have tried and dont recall any licensing information on the packs. My apologies to the Otsuka company and people that felt mislead.
Look.Calorie balance is not donga-otsuka, it’s rip-off.
http://nandakorea.sakura.ne.jp/img/wbs.jpg
Korean makers call rip-off stuffs “me-too products”
“me-too is already common.”
http://nandakorea.sakura.ne.jp/img/metoo1.jpg
Above pictures are from this TV program aired in Jan 2005.
http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/wbs/2005/01/26/tokushu/o1.html
By the way, the “pama” shop is being misrepresented by your caption (”You want Puma? Try the original Korean ‘Pama’ instead!”).
While it’s clear the logo is taken directly from Puma, there is no way that a consumer in Korea would mistake the shop for selling Puma products or Puma knock-offs because it’s a 미용실, a beauty shop. The whole point of the shop’s name is that it’s a play on words: “Pama” (파마) is the derivative Korean word for “perm,” a very common thng people get at a beauty shop. If I were Puma, I suppose I wouldn’t be too happy about them using my logo, but there is no way that this can be construed as ripping off the product someone is selling.
I think I may have found one for you involving Morinaga Foods, which sells Silken Tofu, with an italics label. There is a different company’s product called Silk Soy Milk, also with an italics label. Does that constitute a copy-cat product?
It depends on the terms of the font’s license.
But mostly, if you purchased the license to use the font, no problem.
Copyrights and Fonts.
http://www.techwr-l.com/techwhirl/archives/9802/techwhirl-9802-00667.html
Well, what do you think about using a similarly-looking font and a similar-sounding brand name to sell another soy-based product? Rip-off or no?
kushibo, don’t you know “silken tofu” is a pronoun.
絹豆腐 絹ごし豆腐
Not a noun.
But Puma is a noun and registered trademark.
As for the fonts, please read above post.
First, let me admit that I’m a Korean. So, even though I’m trying to be objective as much as I can, I probably have some bias in my opinion.
Now on the subject, I don’t deny that there are a lot of rip-offs in Korea. I think most Koreans are aware of that. Yet, I don’t believe ripping-off is anything to do with being Korean. It happens all the time in any many parts of the world. Look China, they are ripping-off Korean products. Not that I condone it, because others also do, but trying to label this as a Korean thing seems a little too far fetched and unfair. (If that’s not the intention, my apologies).
And, among the list, I don’t think Astro boy (or Atom in Korea) is considered Korean origin among Koreans at all. Maybe there are a few who believe so, but I believe that’s minority. Actually, if you can read Korean, the second picture posted in the list states that it’s a special edition in remembrance of Osamu Tezuka. If still not convinced, go and google “우주소년 아톰”, and find out who they claim the author is.
And about the rip-off of motorbikes in the first post. http://nandakorea.sakura.ne.jp/html/bike.html
. It seems like this is a used bike company that changes used ones to look alike Yamaha or Hoandas. I have never heard of this company, and it seems like they started this pretty recently. They claims that it’s not illegal because both Japanese companies didn’t register their designs in Korea, it’s still a shamless thing to do nonetheless. They can go to hell as far as I’m concerned.
I think most of them are either licensed or imported rather than rip-off. Both Honda and Suzuki have sold their bikes for long long time in Korea. The only exception is “YAMUDA”, which is in fact a rip-off of Yamaha and Honda (thus, Yamuda
Anyway, I agree that there are a lot of rip-offs and a lot of those in the list are really some examples of those. But the whole tone of this site seems to be based on a bias against Korea rather than objective findings of the blog owner. If he wanted to find the truth about it rather than trying to find “evidences” of his biased assumption, he could have easily found out about Astro boy (or even if it’s not his, motorcycle case).
I know there are a lot of idiotic Koreans and their equally idioitic claims. But what country doesn’t have those? Korea has more of them? It’s possible, but who knows? Inferiority/superiority complex? Maybe, there’s some truth to it. But, again, who doesn’t show some of that after decades of foreign occupancy? Again, I’m not saying it’s justifiable, but at least it’s understandable.
But isn’t it a little ridiculous for Japanese, the abuser who provided the source of that complex, or paranoid or whatever, to blame Koreans for that? I heard that the owner of this blog is not a Japanese, but since he’s tying to compare Japan and Korean to criticize Korea, I think the effect on Koreans are similar. And on top of that, the claims are rather biased than objective.
I don’t know why he (the blogger) got this biased view of Korea, but I don’t (and don’t want to) believe that it’s his intention. He may have had some bad experiences and/or got exposed to the information that shows bad sides of Korea, much like many Koreans have with regards to Japan. It’s unfortunate that he seems to follow exactly the same steps as those biased Korean whom he seem to hate so much.
THis post just want to call us koreans ” the copycats”
Hey, I’m glad Koreans are good copycats (except the Northeners who have finally figured out how to build nuclear weapons, 60 years after we first did). My imitation Hermes sandals are wearing quite well.
Is this another citicism and insult to the koreans?
Nope, the quality is actually quite good.
As I know Haitai or Orion (I don’t remember) started chocopie in Korea and then Lotte. And the first to start chocopie in Japan wasn’t Lotte? Wasn’t peppero started by Lotte in Japan? On http//photo.jijisama.org/pakuti01.html I saw some things that were irrelevant like Kia Sorento, Terracan (maybe), Tiburon, Tacuma (maybe), Dolly (that green dragon) and maybe others if I’m not wrong. I don’t know why criticim against my country is stronger than others countries that do the same or worse.
Never mind my post. I didn’t read everything carefully. I think Korea and Japan copied each other.
I am interested in when and how Japan copied Korea.
You are wrong. Morinaga was the first to start chocopie(Angel Pie) in Japan and it was in 1961. As far as I know, Orion’s chocopie was started in 70’s. And Peppeo was started by Lotte Korea. That’s why it’s not sold by Lotte in Japan because it’s obvious to people here that Glico’s Pockey is the original.
I recall reading that this movie was partly shot at Himeji Castle.
Is that why a tae kwon do site like this (http://www.natkd.com/) may have chosen to display Himeji Castle, a genuine Japanese castle, on its top page?
A queer choice for representing Japanese culture in terms of karate, as the samurais inhabiting the caslte are masters of kendo and judo, not karate. I don’t rememeber seeing the note on Himeji Castle when I first saw this page via 2-channel, they must have received some complaint mail.
By the way, I found this article on tae kwon do quite interesting.
http://www.bstkd.com/CAPENER.1.HTM
I know many at 2-channel ridicule Koreans for ripping-off karate, but in any culture, copying (initially) and integration of outside cultures into existing ones are the norm. Karate came from Ryukyu martial arts, which in turn came from China. The problem, I believe, is whether you give proper credit (and in case of modern licensed products, the fee) to the original.
MIka,
If Lotte were to release Peppeo in Japan, I think it would be disastrous to their image as a respectable company, even if they won a lawsuit by Glico, since rip-offs as seen as a 2nd-rate thing.
Katz,
Korea is now an economically successful country and receiving more attention, and so more people simply expect her to act accordingly. China can pirate foreign products without getting morally bashed becasue many simply don’t have high expectations for China. Honestly, do you want Korea to remain on that level?
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RGM-79,
You mean common noun, not pronoun. Kinutofu is a common noun.
Sure, Japan admits that China inspired a lot of ideas and technologies into Japanese culture and also admit that Korea helped a lot to transport these ideas and technologies. She does not deny it.
But why does Korea claim as if those copies mentioned here are originated in Korea?.
This is only my personal opinion, but in China-Korea-Japan relationship, one can’t ignore the factor of 中華思想 (Sinocentrism) and Confucism. Confucism lays down a strict hierachy in terms of teacher-student. (This may take the form of father-son, master-servant, etc.) Once the relationship is established, it cannot be changed. That is why some scholars contend that Confucism may have inhibited the modernization (westernization) of Korea, as people would be forced to follow conservative ways. Sinocentrism views China as the central flower of civilization, and the level of enlightment is assumed to form a concentric circle around China.Considering the magnificence of ancient Chinese culture, I think it natural that the Chinese held this view. Thus, people on the periphery were regarded as barbarians and named as such (東夷、西戎、南蛮、北荻: the east, west, south, and north barbarians). Ironically, those people on the periphery were the ones who were able to develop cultures unique from China as they remained relatively free from the chains of Sinocentricism and danger of physical occupation. In ancient times, Chineseness was regarded as the standard of sophistication. However, today, diversity and uniqueness take precedence, and Korea who was once the No.1 student of Chinese culture stands in an awkward position. Enough of the Sinocentricism and Confucism views remains in the Korean mentality to make it look down upon Japan, making it difficult to accept that better things may exist and be imported (learned) from the “less sophisticated” Japan. That is why I think you come across articles in Korean media saying that all bad habits come from Japan while anytihing successful in Japan must have originated in Korea.
As for the claim that these copies are originals, I think it’s simply a matter of ignorance. I have seen many Koreans express their embarassment even at places like NAVER about xerox copies of J-pop and some manga characters. Once information gets out, I think such rip-offs will eventually fade from reputable businesses.
Thanks Two Cents.
Your pesonal opinon sounds very persuading.
Do you think Korean people agree with you?
“By the way, I found this article on tae kwon do quite interesting.
http://www.bstkd.com/CAPENER.1.HTM
I know many at 2-channel ridicule Koreans for ripping-off karate, but in any culture, copying (initially) and integration of outside cultures into existing ones are the norm. Karate came from Ryukyu martial arts, which in turn came from China. The problem, I believe, is whether you give proper credit (and in case of modern licensed products, the fee) to the original.”
As I know Koreans introduced Karate to Okinawa where it originated.
“Korea is now an economically successful country and receiving more attention, and so more people simply expect her to act accordingly. China can pirate foreign products without getting morally bashed becasue many simply don’t have high expectations for China. Honestly, do you want Korea to remain on that level?”
No, I’m totally against copying. I wish they had their own originality.
“Enough of the Sinocentricism and Confucism views remains in the Korean mentality to make it look down upon Japan, making it difficult to accept that better things may exist and be imported (learned) from the “less sophisticated” Japan. That is why I think you come across articles in Korean media saying that all bad habits come from Japan while anytihing successful in Japan must have originated in Korea.”
I think it has nothing to do with what happen today. And you’re being too theoretical.
“As for the claim that these copies are originals, I think it’s simply a matter of ignorance. I have seen many Koreans express their embarassment even at places like NAVER about xerox copies of J-pop and some manga characters. Once information gets out, I think such rip-offs will eventually fade from reputable businesses.”
And at this point you’re speaking by interest.
Katz,
That’s why I said it’s my personal op. Your opinion against mine. But I have read many books by Korean writers who express this view. Also, if you read some journals left by Korean envoys to Japan during the Edo period, you see the same complex attitude towards Japan. I think you would be foolish to ignore the effect of Confucism, as it was its extreme form that was highly valued in Korea before the 20th century. Old habits die hard. Compare Korea’s attitude with Taiwan which experienced colonization under Japan. Because Taiwan has formerly ben regarded as 化外の地 （land beyond enlightment), her mentality is not so deeply affected by Confucist or Sinocentric views towards other Asian nations, including Japan. Thus, it appear to me that their attitude towards Japan does not have the eternal soreness or grudge that Koreans have of having been occupied by a “lesser” nation, and so the pros anc cons of Japan past and present are discussed in a more open manner there, without resulting in any purging of professors from universities.
I’m assuming you mean economic benifits when you say “interest.” The reason why I included the phrase “reputable businesses” is because backstreet peddlers will always continue to make rip-offs. You will see some peddlers in Japan selling CHANNEL T-shirts, but that does not mean that the whole of Japanese accept rip-offs. You’d get laughed at for wearing one of those, and it would be ridiculous for some blogger to present that as an example of Japanese backwardness. There are also pirated Vuitton bags going around, but if the owner finds that it is not authentic, chances are, she will not let herself be seen in the public with it. Reputable businesses refraining from making rip-offs are the reflection of such high public morals. Certainly, it will have economic benefits for them since a 2-nd rate image will only hurt their sales. But what is important is that they are acting according to the higher level of business morals expected of them from the public.
http://www.donga.com/docs/magazine/new_donga/200204/nd2002040010.html
Shocking Confessions of Tae kwon do’s History by Lee Zong-wu (이종우: I don’t know if I spelled it right)
Section on “권법 1단에서 태권도 9단으로”
1st Level in Kempo Equivalent to 9th Level in Tae Kwon Do
“그곳이 바로 일제시대 유도 도장이었는데, 그때는 조선연무관이라는 간판을 내걸고 유도부와 권법부를 만들었어요. 그때부터 권법부에서 가라테를 배운 거죠. 권법이 바로 일본 가라테거든요. 일본말로 부르면 국민감정도 있고 하니까 권법이라고 부른 겁니다.”
The place (where I learned martial arts after liberation) was originally a judo gym during the Japanese occupation. It was renamed the Chosun marital arts gym, and two sections were made – the judo section and the kempo (拳法) section. That is where I leaned kempo. Kempo was no other than Japanese karate. But calling it that would go against popular sentiment at the time, so we called it kempo.”
“당수(唐手)로 쓰는 사람도 있고 공수(空手)라고 쓰는 사람도 있었죠. 당수나 공수를 일본말로 옮기면 가라테가 되거든. 모두 같은 내용인데 도장별로 특색 있게 보이기 위해 권법이다 당수도다 공수도다 그렇게 불렀어요.”
There were people who referred to the art as Tansu (唐手) and Konsu (空手), but when translated into Japanese, they’re all the same. The contents were the same too, but people tried to make themselves look original by calling themselves by different faction names.
Section: 최홍희와의 인연과 악연
Relations Good and Bad with Che Hongfui (崔泓煕??)
그 뒤 최홍희가 부대에서 여러가지를 조합해 무술을 만들었는데, 그게 모두 일본 거예요. 가라테를 기본으로 만든 거죠. 가라테를 기본으로 하고 명칭만 태권이라고 했으니까, 아예 처음부터 가라테라고 인정한 우리가 더 순수하죠.
After that (the name tae kwon had been chosen by Che), Che combined many forms of marital arts in the army to create tae kwon, but we were all worked together. Tae kwon do was founded upon karate. The association named its creation Tae kwon while the basics were all from karate. That is why I believe we, who insisted on calling it karate were more pure in our motive.
Section: 초창기 태권도는 가라테의 변형
A Derivative of Karate in the Early Stages
초창기에는 태권도를 해외에 보급하는 과정에서 옛날부터 있었던 한국의 전통무술이라고 하면 명분도 서고 잘 먹혀들었어요. 하지만 아무리 유사성이 있더라도 그것은 사실과 다른 겁니다. 역사적 원류로 본다면 중국 것이 일본으로 들어갔고 일본 것이 한국으로 들어왔다고 해야 설득력이 있죠. 일본 사람들이 중국 무술을 많이 개량해서 과학적으로 만들었어요. 한가지 문제가 뭐냐 하면 일본 사람들은 유연성보다 근육성에 바탕을 두고 운동을 만들었단 말이에요. 그러니까 몸의 움직임이 굳을 수밖에 없죠.
In the early days when promoting tae kwon do abroad, saying that it was a traditional Korean martial arts attracted more people. However, even if there seems to be some resemblances, that is simply not true. The history that Chinese martial artswas introduced into Japan and then introduced into Korea is far more convincing. The Japanese made many modifications to the Chinese martial arts, and made it into a scientific one. One problem is that the Japanese gave priority to muscular strength than flexibility, that is why the motions are stiffer in karate.
―그렇다면 우리 전통무예와의 유사성은 없다는 얘기입니까.
“언뜻 보기에는 있는 것 같지만, 기본기가 완전히 달라요. 그래서 사실상 유사성이 없다고 봐야 합니다. 택견도 현대에 와서 많이 변질됐어요. 태권도 하던 사람들이 택견을 배우니까 발차기가 태권도 스타일로 나오는 거죠.”
Interviewer: Does that mean that there are no similarities between our traditional martial arts (and tae kwon do)?
At a glance, there appears to be similarities. However, the basic forms are totally different. That is why I must conclude that there are none. Tae kyon has been transformed in modern times. People who had previously learned Tae kwon do learn Tae Kyon and end up with a tae kwon do-style kick.
My conclusion: Since Tae kwon do developed from karate and the basics of tae kwon do seems to lack semblance to traditional Korean martial arts (tae kyon), I don’t see how the introduction of traditional Korean martial arts into Okinawa (though I have yet to see the source for this claim) could have influenced the development of karate.
Note: I do not read hangul. I translated the article though Excite Korean-to-Japanese translation engine.
You just showed how Koreans are ignorant about chinese characters.
Karate’s kara was written 唐 =Tang (China)
China is the origin.
Since you modify many things, I don’t know that’s reliable.
I am going to have to ask people not to use obscenities or I will delete the obscenity.
00Yo00,
I’m assuming you’re referring to my post.
Could you point out where I have modified the Korean text? Some modifications may be due to the fact that some words are added to clarify the excerpt, based on the contents of sentences preceding or following the part in the original Korean article. If you can read Korean, I would appraeciated it if you would read the original article and correct me where I’m wrong. As I confessed, I am not literate in Korean and so have to use a translation engine to read articles in Korean. (Though due to the gramattical similarities between Korean and Japanese, results of translations, especially of newpaper articles, are not all that bad.)
the J-girls and the K-girls side by side. The same hair style and the same outfits…Now it’s really easy to tell which girls are more attractive (at least in these pictures).
Go figure..
P.S.
Frankly, I don’t care whether these Korean chicks are “copy-cats” or not, as long as they look cute….
and Korea does seem to be the #1 Asian “babe-land”.
The proof?
Korean babes were crowned three times (1969, 1995, 2002) at the prestigious annual miss asia pacific beauty pagent, which takes place in the Philippines. (check out the linked data)
The best result for China was third in 2005;The best result for Japan was third in 1968; The best result for Hong Kong was second in 1974…
As for Korea, it has three winners and also placed frequently in the top five and in the semi-finals..Korea is the certified “land of babes” in Asia!
Going back to the topic, I wonder why these girls are imitating the girls who are not as “hot” as themselves!!
International Beauty contests in terms of size and popularty
Miss Universe Koreans=0 Thai=2 Jap=1 Phil=2
Miss world Korean winners=0
Miss Earth Korean winners=0
Miss International Korean winners=0 Phil 4
I never heard of Miss Asia Pacific, but I do agree with Vickyopo. Korea has its fair share of good looking women. Too bad so many of them end up as hookers.
“These establishments are in every village and town and in virtually every neighborhood in every city in South Korea.”
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/FI25Dg05.html
All those whores from a nation that claims all the comfort women were ‘forced’.
Anyway, for what its worth, the women are the best thing coming out of corea.
Now that you’re talking about Miss International..that brings me back the memories of the racist hoopla surrounding the Miss International beauty pageant a few years ago..
here is what happened: In 2000, Korea sent an absolutely gorgeous “babe” to the Miss International pageant that took place in JAPAN. She was such a stunning beauty that everybody predicted that she would become Miss International that year. However, she lost the title to Miss Venezuela who was not as beautiful. Why? Because the gorgeous woman was a korean and all the judges were japanese!!
A beauty pageant expert from the U.S. wrote an article about it and said that Miss Korea didn’t win the pagent because she was a korean!!!The writer claimed that the Japanese judges didn’t want the Korean woman to win because no japanese women had ever won this pageant. Since no japanese women had ever won this pageant, the japanese judges wouldn’t let a korean woman win this pageant either. (Mind you, the writer of the article was American)
When I read this article on-line, I was totally shocked!! I mean, do japanese consider koreans as an inferior race? So they wouldn’t allow a korean woman to win the pageant because japanese women have never won it?? What kind of racism is that?? I remember talking to a japanese friend about it. And my japanese friend also agreed that the japanese people would feel uncomfortable to crown a korean woman before they crown a japanese woman!! Shocking….I think that was the first time that I learned that koreans are discriminated in Japan..
By the way, i really wanted to post that article, since it was written by an american and it reveals the unfair racism. But I couldn’t find it. Maybe it no longer exists. However, I’ve managed to find a picture of Miss Venezuela and Miss Korea. In the PICTURE, anybody could tell that Miss Korea is far better-looking than the short and “ugly” Miss Venezuela… It seems like the writer was right. The only reason Miss Korea “lost” the crown was because she was a Korean and the judges were japanese..
Many people on this blog have said that koreans need to change their attitudes toward the Japanese. But this incident proves that japanese people also need to change their attitudes toward the koreans as well. We cannot keep blaming Koreans while japanese keep looking down on the koreans in one way or another!!
Victor, where is the proof that the Japanese judges were biased? Is there actual evidence that this so called “American” writer (cough cough…I am willing to bet that this American writer’s last name was Lee, Park or Kim) can claim as proof that there was subjective bias on the judging? Is there even any proof that all of the judges were Japanese? Puhlease….
Oh, and I really don’t think you want to step anywhere near the implication that Koreans are totally impartial in contests because if you do, be prepared to defend a juggernaut of shameful and embarassing episodes of Korean “objectivity” such as:
1) The 1988 Olympic Boxing incident in Seoul where the Korean boxer totally got his ass licked by Roy Jones but ended up winning on the account of the Korean boxing team bribing the officials.
2) The 2002 World Cup game against Spain in which Spain “miraculously” had two goals taken away from them. Instantly replays on TV showed clearly that the goals were legit. Rumor has it that the Equadorian referee was seen exiting the stadium with a kimchi vat full of bills.
3) The Apollo Ohno short-dari track speed skating incident. Jesus Christ, it is a stupid sport that noone other than short-dari people care about. Americans were peeved about the Roy Jones incident as they were victims, but nonetheless, they were mature abouti it and moved on after the Olympics ended. Meanwhile, 3 freaking years after the incident and Ohno continues to get death threats from idiot crybabies in Korea who use his half-Japanese ethnicity as an excuse to continue to fuel their hatred, or should I say, immature jealousy.
Face it, Koreans are notorious for being sore losers at anything. Can you think of anything from the IMF crisis, the collapse of the buildings in Seoul, the state of their economy, the utter filth of the Han River in which Koreans always put the blame on everyone else (foreigners) other than themselves? It truly is pathetic and is a sign of an immature national character.
Other than that, usually, beauty pagents don’t mean anything to most 1st world nations in the world, but are a source of national pride and obsession for many third world “banana republic” nations such as Venezuela, Columbia, etc. as you pointed out. In fact, Venezuela is renowned for their long tradition of “grooming” girls to train for beauty pagents, very much in the same way as Rumania is famous for training gymnasts, Cuba for its boxers, Brazil for its soccer players, and New Zealand for its rugby players. Not surprisingly, these “beauty pagent” nations are also world renowned for their wide spread prevalence of plastic/cosmetic surgery among its women because of their old school culture in which women are nothing more than ornaments to be looked at. Thus, the pressure to conform to this standard. Its no surpise then that Korea fits the mold perfectly, but is this something really of national pride?
Furthermore, I will say that although that chick in the pic looks smokin hot, she is in no way near a representation of the typical Korean girl. I would say that when I first arrived in Korea, I thought the girls were all hot, but the longer I stayed, the more I realize that Korean girls are basically 3’s dressed, carved, and made up to be 9’s. Ever see a Korean gal with her makeup off and running around in sweatpants and sandals in the morning? If so, the mystery as to why all of these comely girls end up looking like chimps with perms in green spandex jumpsuits when they reach their ajumma stage is dissolved. Believe me, there was alot of carving done on that face but then again, the market and society demands it so to each her/his own.
Vickyopo, I doubt what your saying is true, but I have no doubt that coreans around the world belive in their heart that they were cheated. When Coreans are in any international competition they are so brainwashed into believing they will win that when they lose, they need to find a reason. The usually fault is that the other guys were cheating.
If you think that Japanese hate you so much, perhaps its time to reflect as to how to repair this feeling. perhaps coreans could stop spreading anti japanese hatred.
Yesterday, I found a bunch of silly childish anti-japanese posting on another blog, you have read them kyopo, as you have already attacked me as ‘ranting’ when I reposted them. Kyopo, Coreans act very childish and hate-filled when it comes to japan. Perhaps, you can put your energy in healing japanese hatred instead of trying to brainwash others to believing corean propaganda.
Wiesunja and Takeshima,
I was merely presenting the on-line article in which the writer clearly stated that the Korean woman didn’t win because she was a Korean. Of course, it’s just the opinion of the writer…and may or may not be true.
Just for the record, I absolutely do not hate Japanese. From what I’ve seen in my life, i can assure you that koreans in canada get along very well with the japanese in canada!
Well, good to see English article like this. Although some of these might have been licensed products, it’s clear that these are the result of oneway cultural transfer, from Japan to Korea.
I was really tired of almost all Korean international students saying they are the best race on the earth. I’ll bookmark this. thanks.
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